Probably because you aren't one of the three types of specific people it's aimed toward.

i dont like musicals but admit they are catchy

I like musicals but songs in this cartoon suck

its a hot topic show for hot topic shoppers.

>>219781259
lol OP i know you thought of this show because you thought of 'Vaggie' because you read about katy perry shoving her 'disgusting vagina' in rooby rose face.

>>219781259
Dishonest animation

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>>219781259
>Why do we hate this show so much?
The amount and quality of porn for it are both surprisingly low.

looks gay

>>219781555
The people who get off to this show are the ones who prefer Fanfics rather than images. That or they're just using personal AI generation.

It's too childish and too horny

>>219781631
The term you're looking for is "safe horny". And also "safe psychopaths".

>>219781259
wasted potential, same as almost all "adult" animation these days

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjNXkHRTmQ
hear my hope
let it echo

>>219781259
Unfunny women writers
Girls aren’t even hot loona gets mogged by the average OV on furafinity
Its jewish coded saying demons aren’t evil
Musical

Smiling Friends won

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>>219781259
inspired by panty and stocking just like digital circus and helluva boss.
Panty and stocking itself was inspired by South Park and Drawn together ( Drawn together being the far superior meta comedy )
So in other words everything is demonic and satanic panic boomers were right and shiet

The gayness is annoying

The entire premise falls the moment angels are shown to also be complete assholes

It's tumblrcore
It's femcelcoded
It's whimsymaxxed

>b-b-but the demons aren't all 100% bad! in the bible demons are all 100% bad!
>b-b-but the angels aren't all 100% good! in the bible angels are all 100% good!
read another book already

>>219781259
Demonically reddit. One step beyond Rick & Morty atheist scientism. 'Safe horny' is the real 'gateway drug'. KPOP Demon Hunters isn't much better.

>>219781873
Why not set the show in modern Portland if all you want is to portray morally ambiguous homosexuals ?

>>219781902
there's no gay people in hell?

>>219781259
We don't hate it enough.

>>219781917
There are, but there are no assholes in heaven

looks cringe

>>219781977
the bible doesn't really say that
assholes can still go to heaven if they repent and are good at following rules

>>219782015
Then they stop being assholes

>>219781631
But that's literally us

>>219781259
>we
we don't, it was a good show if you like musicals.
the other one about the assassin homos is cringe and gay though

>>219781259
I prefer the other one with Loona

>>219781259
Normal people don't like gay shit

Women

>>219781259
I like it, but mostly because I want all of the characters to fuck me in the ass. Also you have already made this thread on /co/ before. This is useless 'log filler on here.

>why do you guys hate this gay tranny furry show so much

>>219783406
Furchads won thoughbeit

>>219783286
>gay shit
it's much more religious than gay

>>219783452
No it isn't anon and you know it, but your bait will probably work on the schizo from the yesterday's thread.

>>219782419
Yeah but we are not cringe about it.. uh nevermind

OP shit is no different than any tranime.

>>219781977
"Asshole" is it subjective categorization, and one largely born of someone's personality being agreeable or not. Someone that you or other people consider to be an "asshole" can be a perfectly righteous and upstanding individual.

>>219783432
Won what?

I know nothing about it but those characters look incredibly off-putting, I don't see myself watching an animation with such ugly drawings

>>219783552
Worldwide wealth

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don't care about schizo seething itt i just wanna Vox to fuck me and sit on my face

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>>219781259
I don't care for the awful story progression, writing, safe and aggressively reddit edginess etc etc.
I just want sex with the characters, and I enjoy the musicals. Women writers should take it as a clue that we don't care about whatever they're writing unless they're cooking stuff on the level of legacy of kain like Amy did. Or police stuff like Agatha Christie.

>>219784199
There are too many songs, only like half of them are decent to good. Two each episode is crazy, especially when episodes are only ~30 minutes long. There would've been more space for story progression if they didn't shove in so many musical numbers. Also it should be 10 episodes not 8.

>>219784270
Outside of the songs we're getting tedious laborious story/character developments and disappointments. I'm keeping the songs without them it'll be hollow.

>>219784332
Viv can't write women but male storylines are fine. I think Vox was a great villain character. But he should've been killed instead of surviving as a head likely to return later with a new body or something.

>>219784358
I don't think demons should be limited to emotional ranges belonging to one or the other respective sex. Lo is one underated movie I watched lately, and it's everything I wish Hazbin should be.
Either because they are true demons and are neither males or females, or because they are sinners so old time blurred the lines so meticulously that they no longer retain aspects of what they were on earth. Outside of vestigial emotional touches, like phantom limbs.

>>219784425
I mean there are thousands of better ideas on how to tackle a movie or series about Hell. But I don't care for asking HH to be something it wasn't ever going to be. It's pure Tumblr wish fullfillment, you watch it either because you want to have sex with the characters and genuinely engage with corny melodrama or because you find entertaining to watch a kind of endearing cringe slop observing something that quintessentially represents a certain internet sociological group (and maybe you want to have sex with the characters as well). Or you don't watch it at all ofc. I just think it could've been better within the constraints of what it already is. The pacing and overload of songs are basically the two main issues. It needs less songs and more episodes per season.

>>219784518
Yeah I get it. I can't seriously demand it to be something different entirely. But I will never feel anything but detached from a show imbalanced in the manner of stakes and tension, that's my main problem with it. The wannabe corrosive and edgy parts miss the target because there's no contrast to counter it, I don't dig the drama and Disney© songs. Nothing is resonating within me, I don't believe the premise, the plot isn't believable, the inner turmoil of the protagonists is as remarkable as a fart in a glass of water. It's dull, and making everything scream and sing and jump around won't mask the stillness of its core.
It's in serious need of better pacing, time for characters to breath and become relatable ( or not ), because what I'm getting is the Looney toons/Tex Avery show with troon make-up trying to tell a grand story right now, how the fuck is this supposed to work? Additionally whenever important plot points and emotions are to be delivered it ignores the basic rule of show don't tell. Is this the tik-tok generation of animation?

Because I'm not
>gay
>a troon
>degenerate
So I'm clearly not part of its intended audience

>>219784829
>i'm not a degenerate
>posts on a tranime website
either go back or stop lying to yourself

>>219781259
Ugly, retarded, and off-putting. Same reason women don't like you.

>>219781917
it's kind of weird that EVERYONE in hell also happens to be Gay except for Lucifer.

>>219781259
troon show.

If you like this show then you're a troon.

>>219784887
Lucifer is also supposed to be a fag canonically he just goes both ways. I think the only non-gay character is Nifty.

>>219784922
>tranny trying to make everyone else troon out through gaslighting

>>219781259
Its gay satanist propaganda

I don’t like musicals or the fact that the darkest theme the show about hell seems willing to show off is objectively terrible people being forced into sex work.

>>219781555
Best I've seen was giving the snake guy a massive ass.

>>219785009

He wasn't forced. The faggot made a deal and now that he's having to hold up his end, he regets it.

>>219781259
Because it’s pure zoomer slop. The writing and characters are so garbage. Btas was the last good cartoon.

It's kino honestly and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

>>219787458
If you are a braindead zoomer maybe

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>>219781259
Modern cartroons are embarrassing.

because it's safe edgy. It's just gay characters singing about gay sex and killing Christians. And then there's a boring interlude where characters talk about how they are actually le sad because their gay lover doesn't understand them.

>>219782015
This fool doesn't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.

>>219787322
>bumping a shitty thread from page 10
kill yourself nigger

>>219787629
Sorry that I don’t like your shitty slop, faggot.

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>>219781259
I don't even hate it. That would be expending too much brain power. I just don't think about it at all.

>>219781259
I don't hate it, I acknowledge that it's just not for me, and that's fine. Not every popular piece of media needs to cater to me. Let the fat tumblr queens and quirky teenagers have their fun.

>>219781259
I’m not an autist or a homosexual, mainly.

Just a cursory glance tells me that it was made by and for theater fags and fetishists.

>>219787686
>theater fags
It would have at least some decent drama instead of the melodrama garbage if that was the case

>>219787605
it's not even trying to be edgy
most of heaven is actually good, it's just like one asshole who got killed and a bitch that he dicked that's obsessed with him
most of hell is bad, Vox if the villain of season 2 and he wants to go to war with heaven
the "satanist" thing is purely aesthetic
if she really tried to to be edgy in a liberal way heaven would've been fully le bad and hell would be all great people, like those atheists saying how "uhm i'll have better company in hell"
that doesn't mean the show is "conservative" or "christian" btw, it's just not intended to actually be insulting to anyone, and most people who moralfag about it are actually liberals who are mad that a rapist character isn't portrayed as the worst person incarnate (even tho he's a villain) and that the show makes rape jokes

>>219783532
Yes, it's subjective, but not universally subjective. It's inversely proportional to one's own moral standing. An evil person will see good people and consider them assholes for being judgmental and righteous, and good people will know evil people to be assholes for their selfishness and immorality. It may be subjective in how it presents, but one of them is clearly objectively right in their assessment and the other clearly wrong.

>>219781259
It's hard for me to put in the words, but I've rarely seen a show that was so clearly made for overweight women who've based their whole personality around being quirky, and transsexuals

>>219787686
>i'm not an autist
The fuck are you doing here?

>>219781259
Watched a few episodes and holy fuck all of the characaters were written like garbage. None of them is interesting or humane enough for me to care.
>>219787660
Back in the day teenagers had access to better media, so much stuff nowadays is made for the mentally retarded

>>219787743
trannies don't watch this show, it doesn't even have tranny characters (aside from a villain tv presenter who is a female with a male voice, which many trannies would probably find to be "transphobic")
troons like TADC cause it's also made by a tranny and tranime
hazbin is almost exclusively fujos and some gays

>>219787794
I’ve seen plenty of tranny post fanart though

>>219783452
Gay is their religion, and I mean that in all earnestness.

>>219787713
that still sounds horrible and too safe, like all modern cartroons

>>219787805
i see almost nothing but biological women, maybe an occasional "enby" or a FTM, but those are rare
maybe there are like a couple of trannies in there, but overall it's one of the least tranny infested fandoms cause it appeals to a different type of queers
most troons are too pretentious for HH which is very blatantly just a dumb musical melodrama

>>219787837
>too safe
Does every single thing need to be "provocative"? I don't care if it's safe, the problem is that the writing is just poor largery because they have to rush everything as there are not enough episodes and they shove in too many songs. I already said this ITT in another post.

>>219787794
>aside from a villain tv presenter who is a female with a male voice, which many trannies would probably find to be "transphobic"
Oh shut the fuck up, arbiter of troonery. We all know trannies decide on what's transphobic and what isn't based on whether or not it's going to help them in whatever conversation they're having in the moment. I'm afraid that means you're a tranny and you'll need to go dilate.

>>219787868
>Does every single thing need to be "provocative"?
If its setting is intentionally provocative, then uh... yeah, it does for consistency if nothing else.

Im a theatrefag and even I dont like this shit, some theatre is just too fucking queer for me to stomach (somehow RHPS doesnt pass this threshold for me though so make of that what you will)

>>219787875
In what kind of conversations is it helpful to say Ace Ventura is transphobic? Troons are neurotic messes and find every other thing transphobic aside from the most delicate ultra specific depiction, and preferably done by another tranny.

>>219787868
With such a premise you are expecting a little more but modern cartroons, especially “mature” ones refuse to innovate.

>>219781849
It's the difference between a real writer and whatever vivzie does. It's literally a show about good and evil, but the heaven people are either pointlessly genocidal or hopelessly naive and the hell people are either irredeemably evil or misunderstood kawaii muffins, and there is zero nuance for any of them. Nuance is what would make a story about people in hell climbing out something worth watching; instead, I am forced to watch by my tumblrcore other while I fantasize about Millie gentle femdom.

>>219787897
>>219787963
>uhmm you're a goth so you have to rape dead corpses or you're not edgy enough!
No one is epxected to be offended by this shit, Viv just wanted a setting that she finds "cool" looking and where she can put a lot of faggotry and violence, again cause she like it cool / hot, not cause she thinks there are Evangelical boomers to offend. This is such a stupid thing to complain about instead of the actual writing / pacing being poor.

>>219788026
It’s just another disappointment. As another anon above you pointed out it’s just a cheap aesthetic.

>>219784807
>what I'm getting is the Looney toons/Tex Avery show with troon make-up trying to tell a grand story right now
It's deliberately undermining the idea that there ever can be a grand story (or a grand anything, that is a permanent and reliable and objective anything). It trades on subverting established tropes about demons and angels, heaven and he'll, good and evil, suggesting the viewer to ponder if all morality is situational or even individual. It's literally Satanism in a post-ironic presentation where on one hand it's telling you exactly what it is, but on the other hand the cartoony aesthetic suggests it may not be that serious, but on the other hand it follows in a tradition of dark cartoons subverting the expectation that comics be simple and moral and instructive for a kid audience, (because it would be unthinkable to make a kid product immoral) so one naturally goes to denial, and thinks this couldn't be exactly what it looks like, an actually satanic show for actual kids, but that's exactly what it is because no adult could possibly enjoy this crap.

>>219781322
Gays, fags and gay-fags?

>>219788026
>If I set my show in a whorehouse, I should be able to make no allusions to sex without raising questions
Consistency is important anon.

>>219787845
Bro trannies are not that smart. They see bright colors. They see “lore”. They are satisfied. Maybe there aren’t that many but there are at least a few, even on /co/(which is not surprising since it’s one of the most trannified boards)

>>219788139
When you put it like that, Big Mouth, which does the same thing, almost feels graceful in its handling of idolatry of sex and the self.

>>219781259
I don't hate it, I just don't want to watch it.

>>219788116
I think it was pretty obvious what it was going to be from the start, just Tumblr wish fullfillment, I already said in another thread that I don't see the reason to complain about the show not being something it was never supposed to be.
>>219788139
Do pretentious christlarper zoomers really like paragraphs like this thinking they're revelatory? Yeah anon, "what if some good is evil and what if some evil is good" is several decades old at this point. So is putting it in a cartoony way (although with Viv it's mostly cause she wants every other character to be a tumblr sexyman). You're a ridiculous pseud thinking this is some shocking news. "Modern satanism", if by modern you mean "everything from the 80s" if not earlier. Also "no adult could possibly enjoy this crap" is an overstatement, most modern adults are manchildren. Either way, HH is no more subversive (arguably less subversive) than something like South Park which kids also often ended up watching, cause kids, and especially teens, love watching shit that's made with adults in mind.

>>219788159
Not really. I mean, there isn't just one way to portray the same thing. If every portrayal of Hell was the same ultra edgy shit then what's the point of making any new portrayal of it.
If you want to autistically discuss why the Hazbin Hotel world is not "edgy" enough, one could find easily some lore reasons. Like the fact that Angels regularly came to exterminate people there to make space which means the most evil people could've easily been killed first and not protected by others in Hell. Just cause someone is a regular rapist for example doesn't mean they would support a pedophile rapist. They'd tie him up and throw him to the exterminators.

>>219788245
Correct, I guess I just wanted more because modern cartroons have been such a waste of time lately.

>>219788153
>>219781322
but im a gay-furry fag and i hate this show

>>219788235
I thought the pilot was good, but the first episode was complete trash. The songs weren't good, the characters were more annoying...

>>219788323
This is undestandable cause the writing is ass and the general "endearing cringe vibe" (and the endearing part is subjective) is not necesarrily enough for many to find it engaging.
I'm autistic enough to find it engaging enough tho
Also there aren't really many furfag men in the show, Helluva has a bit more, but Hazbin only has Husk as a straight up furry, and Angel Dust is just some weird abstract OC, but he has fur so technically "furry".

>>219781259
Gay theatre-kid Satanslop.

>>219788245
>South Park
>adult
I don't care if they put TV-MA in the corner of the screen, that shit is for kids. They have to market it to adults, because again, it would be unthinkable to sell it straight to kids, but it's utterly uninteresting to anybody past high school age, or college age if you're a late bloomer

>>219788366
Anon, the reality is that your conception of what is "adult" does not really apply to a big chunk of actual adults IRL, possibly even the majority. You could say a large chunk of people are manchildren, I wouldn't disagree necessarily. But that's just how it is, and been for decades.

>>219788363
i think it just feels inauthentic like it was made as a corporate product designed to check as many boxes as possable instead of something with love

>>219788525
I don't think so. Viv just isn't artistically "deep". It seems to be that everything in the show is indeed the kind of things she genuinely likes, the only corporate meddling I feel is the fact that the show is forced into an 8 episode bracket, Viv would probably liked to have more episodes. I think this is like the third time I said this ITT.

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>>219781259
The artstyle alone tells me to stay away from this shit

>>219789229
>implying tranime is any better looking

>>219789397
FLCL is 10000x better looking. Sadamoto designs way better characters than viv.

>>219789443
i haven't seen that one specifically
but nu-anime looks much worse and more soulless than even HH
i think my favourite anime artstyle is still the 70s-80s standard like in Lupin The Third

>>219789509
Then whu are you talking if you haven’t seen it? Even nu-anime has exceptions like the new lupin movie or Mononoke which looked way better than any Viv zoomer slop.

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>>219789229
Yes I also prefer a superior art style

>>219789555
Mononoke is not particularly popular, I'm mostly talking about the mainstream shit, it's all samey and, I hate Frieren in particular with it's soulless glossy look, and I hate the mexicans that shill it. Also Makoto Shinkai has been a negative influence on the industry.
I think Hazbin looks fine, people overstate how muddled it looks, that's mostly in stills, but it's fine in motion. I guess I never had an aversion to tumblr core donut steel designs, I always found them kinda neat.

>>219789443
This. It’s the Eva artist right?
>>219789509
Western cartroons peaked before the 50s

>>219789588
Seems familiar. Source?
>>219789617
Then why did you talk about all of it if you are only talking about mainstream shit? Hazbin is an “indie” cartoon so I am allowed to mentione unpopular anime as well correct? Hazbin gets mogged hard when you look at anime outside of the mainstream shounen. The thing I dislike about viv shit is how much she abuses the same colors in her designs.

>>219789509
>i haven't seen that one specifically
FLCL is a must watch, every aspect of it is 10/10

>>219789706
I didn't really notice particular issues with colour. I guess there's a shitton of red, but i guess it's "hellish", I didn't mind.
I don't see HH as "indie" it got Amazon funding. TADC can be considered more "indie" because GLITCH isn't some big corporation, but Amazon definitely is.
Also the cartoon anon posted is "Haha, You Clowns".

i think its weird that a show so ostensibly aimed towards teenagers with its edgy horny characters would have its showrunners telling teenagers not to watch because its for """""adults"""""
thats like building a mall and telling teenagers not to come

>>219789801
True, it’s weird how he talks shit without even knowing his subject.
>>219789802
Didn’t it start as indie? Anyways it can’t really compare with any of the better anime of the last few years or so(that are of course not popular battle shonen). I watched a few episodes of tadc, it looks ok but the writing is very middle of the road. It feels like the kind of writing you find in a lot of indie games nowadays but it wasn’t executed in a special way.

>>219789897
They have to say it because there's an entire subset of zoomoid manchildren who think that if the show has swearing and mentions sex it means it's for adults and saying "minors" can watch it means you're diddy blud pedophile. Same people moralfag about porn being made of cartoon characters that aren't "canonically 18". You'd think that sounds like they're some chud larpers but they're self proclaimed liberals despite contradicting their own liberal beliefs. It's just normalfaggots who don't actually have an organized system in their head and only function on peer pressure and "vibes". They would've been Bible Thumpers in the 90s.

>>219789958
>Same people moralfag about porn being made of cartoon characters that aren't "canonically 18".
>Anon attempts to rationalize away criticism of his loli porn habit by accusing critics of moralfagging.
>it is ineffective.
You're just a pedophile in denial, anon. Go back to /b/ and coom some more.

>>219790025
>loli art is the same as jerking off to Hatsune Miku ("canonically" 17 so no no for zoomoids)
also, this seethe about drawings isn't gonna work on here, maybe try Reddit or Xitter instead

My miserable ex liked it, fuck you Lizzy, I hope everyone connects your Dateline interview to your tiktok and youre ruined forever.

>>219781259
I won't watch it because the art style is repulsive and I smell tumblr shit.
The main girl looks fine but look at the other 3 characters on the cover. They are fucking repulsive but I don't think they are supposed to be that ugly.
You can tell something is soulless trash for troons from one image.

>>219790057
>I don't whack it to lolis, only uhhh... 17 year olds!
I don't believe you.

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>>219790080
and watcha gon' do bout it pardner

>>219790078
if Angel Dust ugly why do i want to suck his dick as a straight white male

>>219790114
Because you are a faggot

>>219790096
Ask you very nicely to repent and turn to Jesus.

>>219790141
>t. converted because of a Xitter post at age 16 (two years ago)

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>>219790132
i'm straight, i have relationships with women, only sex with men

>>219781259
The cheap animation style where all characters are looking straight at the viewer or a perfect 90° side profile

>>219790188
Let me guess you are the kind of fag that watches shows with shitty writting because of 1 or 2 good looking male characters? 99% of cartroons fans are like that nowadays.

>>219790234
I like half of the songs and the general tumblr cringe / camp aesthetic, but yeah, the writing is ass. But S2 was a bit better than S1.

>>219789617
Virgin Punk was a better style over substance shit than Faggot Hotel + the animation felt more soulfull in the pilot

>>219790096
So the people "moralfagging" about people jacking it to children are right, and your pretense that they're upset that drawings are 17 years old was, in fact, a lie meant to cover up your pedophilia?
Wow, who'd have thought?

>>219790547
>hallucinates something i didn't say
Zoomoid trash and their two digit IQ again, Impotent seethe replacing logic and critical thinking skills. Why won't you niggers stay on Reddit?

>>219790114
>>219790188
Typical unfunny troon tumbltard. The exact audience the tranny show tries to groom.

>>219790687
Suicide, pedo. Maybe hell is like HH.

>>219790692
>groom
Are you saying people turn into fags from watching the show? i'm pretty sure if someone's watching the show in the first place they have already been a fag long before it.

>>219790816
NTA but I'm sure it's both.

>>219790789
Usually Redditor trannies are the ones commiting suicide so you should be the one looking into that option.

>>219790831
>both a fag before watching and became a fag from watching it
???

>>219790859
Some are, some aren't. It's not hard to understand, tardo.

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How would you improve the writing?

>>219790949
No anon, people who aren't inclined to like faggy shit aren't going watch it and suddenly acquire a taste for faggy stuff like that out of thin air.

>>219790966
Already said ITT, without changing the core of what the show is - more episodes and less songs. At least ten episodes. This fixes the rushed writing and there can be more proper dialogue scenes with actual development. Songs should be used as a "climax" or a "prelude" not in-place of what should've been at least several proper character interactions.

>>219781322
Faggy hipsters?

>>219791084
>This anon bought the lie that fags are born that way.
Grim.

>>219781259
I hate it because asmongold and critical drinker and Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate told me to hate it
It probably has strong intersectional themes that would threaten their racist and misogynistic worldwiew

>>219791084
What if it's somebody impressionable? Like children and teens whose likes and dislikes aren't set in stone yet? (And also people with trauma, mental illness, drugs prescription and otherwise, depression, sleep deprivation, etc...?) Am I describing the audience for the show fairly accurately?

>>219791226
Even within the /pol/ take the theory is literal molestation anon, not a faggy cartoon.
in reality it is in fact "born that way" and the molestation numbers (most of which are from like the last century btw) come from the fact that a faggy teen is inevitably insecure and more vulnerabe to being preyed on by a pedo as opposed to someone who is straight and has no deviancy, but you can believe whatever you want ofc

>>219791299
It has no effort put into its themes to even threaten anyone. the writing is soulless

>>219791320
>in reality it is in fact "born that way"
No, it isn't and there's never been any proof that supports it other than fags retroactively and anecdotally stating, "Um, sweetie, I've actually always wanted to take cock ever since I could remember." Which just coincidentally aligns with their supposition that children are sexual creatures and should be allowed to consent to sex. (Why would they want that, I wonder?)
The truth is we've all seen the girls and guys in middle school and high-school who school who starting hanging out with the faggot clique and just so happened to "come out of the closet" a few short months later. It's a much more social phenomenon than you've been led to believe and yes, the content you consume does shape you in the same way.

>>219791320
>i know my preacher said being gay is wrong but what if they're cool and funny like my favorite cartoon critters?
>what if they're not actually demons but just demon-ized by inflexible boomers?
>they do seem to have more fun than me, being all spontaneous and carefree...
This is what they're going for.

>>219791303
>likes dislikes aren't set in stone yet
Maybe if they're 8. 8 year olds don't watch this. And even then little kids usually exhibit pretty defined interests like a boy deciding what kind of toys he prefers. And regarding teenagers, people have the same general taste as adults as they had as teens, they just usually like stuff that exhibits the aesthetics they like in a more "nuanced" or "serious" manner. But if you like manly stuff like cars or action movies or whatever you won't suddenly start watching Winx after seeing it on your tl. Teenagers also rarely have mental illness that severe and usually are overdiagnosed cause it's profitable to sell people prescription drugs.
The audience of the show is usually autistic adult women, and you don't need to force an autistic adult woman to like faggy shit cause that audience is predisposed to it from the start. Idk what kind of drugs a regular man with no interest in watching gay musicals has to take to suddenly start liking gay musicals. But either way if an adult fucks himself over in that way it's only his own fault.

>>219791450
>who starting hanging out with the faggot clique and just so happened to "come out of the closet" a few short months later
This shit right here is never talked about. I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

>>219781259
I don't tho second season lacks the bangers season 1 had

>>219791559
> I don't tho
Shit taste

>>219791621
name one good song from season 2

>>219791450
>no proof
What proof you have that most homosexuality was caused by molestation and not the way I described? Statistical percedntage (which is not even 50%, it's like 34%) is a raw number that has to be actually interpreted to make a proper takeaway. My take has the same weight as yours cause neither of us has actual descriptions of how exactly did those sexual abuse situations played out. We can't prove definitively what went on, but you're the one pretending that your interpretation is the "rational" one.
> aligns with their supposition that children are sexual creatures and should be allowed to consent to sex
Who the fuck is saying that? If anything I see everyone on here complaining that liberals want to raise the age of consent or some shit. Nobody rates Focault or whoever you're referencing.
I get it, your inherent position is that the "outside" judgement is more important than the "inner circle" judgement. Basically fags are biased towards themselves so they can't be trusted. But then again people outside can be biased against them, you can argue here back and forth ad infinitum.
>girls and guys stard hanging around faggot cliques and become fags
Anon....why do you think they started hanging around fag cliques? If you're completely straight and normal why would you be interested in a clique that's nothing but gays and lesbians and whatever? "Uhmm because people say it's cool!" where? Nobody says a straight person should be visiting gay bars and having exclusivey gay friends. If someone did say it somwhere they're retarded.
All of this shit really reminds me of "GTA is causing shootings!!!" shit, that people on here as well made fun of plenty of times.

>>219791487
>Idk what kind of drugs a regular man with no interest in watching gay musicals has to take to suddenly start liking gay musicals.
You haven't been cursed with watching a former friend troon out. I knew a guy in high school and when we graduated, he joined the AF and I joined the Marines. He consistently struck out with women but was definitely into them. Midway through our enlistments, I saw that he had gotten with a dyke and she convinced him that he was actually a lesbian woman in a man's body. Even though they're broken up now, he still goes by Abigail. Came to our high school reunion dressed up as a woman and wearing fishnets and basically relegated himself to sitting with the only other troon in the bar. He was definitely not like that in high school.

>>219781259
This screams "tranny" really, REALLY loud.

>>219791736
>Nobody says a straight person should be visiting gay bars and having exclusivey gay friends.
It's called being an ally, and you'd know that already if you werent so insulated by your straight privilege. It's called being a decent fucking person.
>If someone did say it somwhere they're retarded.
Teens and kids have notoriously bad judgement. They generally suck up like a sponge whatever is told to them by anyone with a semblance of authority. They literally cannot tell retardation from innovation. Look at their political views for example of just how easily they are led astray.

>>219791736
>Anon....why do you think they started hanging around fag cliques?
I hung out with the same groups, retarde with cheese, and I've never taken dick. Been to gay bars, never been attracted to a man. All of your arguments are based on the supposition of inherent homosexuality and you're just refusing to look through any other lens.
Tell me why I should continue a conversation with such a midwit as would be literally incapable of entertaining an outside thought.

>>219791736
>If you're completely straight and normal why would you be interested in a clique that's nothing but gays and lesbians and whatever?
Maybe because that's the group that's into games and anime and shit. Do you only hang out with people you're 100% aligned with? What am I saying, of course you don't. You've never socialized with anyone in person.

>>219791736
>What proof you have that most homosexuality was caused by molestation
The post you're replying to literally says its social and doesn't say shit about molestation. Fucking faggots have one case to counterargue and if you don't use it, they just pretend you did. True academics.

>>219791948
>being an ally
Being an ally means you can have a gay friend and support them. It doesn't mean completely immersing yourself in a gay / lesbian whatever specific clique.
Also teens can be retarded but what does stupidity have to do with the brain magically rewiring itself so that your endocrine system responds to stimuli which supposedly one wasn't inclined to have? You can't force your dick to stand up with willpower. If we assume trauma from molestation, I mean you need actual concrete information about the cases. Trauma can do different shit for people, usually makes them either prone to outbursts or the opposite - introverted. But "liking" something is from the purely chemical standpoint a "positive" like a "reward" reaction for certain things. There's Stockholm Syndrome but that comes as a survival strategy from a prolonged bonding not a single or several individual incidents. But again, you would need an actual study here to prove anything concrete.
>>219791958
Did you hang out exclusively with those groups? And you not becoming a fag kinda disproves the theory that hanging around with these groups would cause one to become a fag. Whole thing is based on an assumption that "born this way" means having a gay lisp and saying "honey you look FABULOUS" since age 5. Certain outward behavior can be learnt but not the actual attraction.
>incapable of entertaining an outside thought
I'm literally having a discussion that's not only civil but also inclined to understand the position you're coming from. I am just quite confident about the things I am saying cause they're in line with the IRL experience I had. Surprise surprise people often have concrete believes that they defend. I mean YOU have a concrete belief that you're defending.

>>219792380
>And you not becoming a fag kinda disproves the theory that hanging around with these groups would cause one to become a fag.
You really think a phenomenon has to occur 100% of the time to exist at all? Are you really this stupid?

>>219792380
You are the biggest midwit I have ever seen.

>>219792004
Anime fanclub or a videogame fanclub doesn't equal "fully gay clique". As I said in the other post, this thing kinda hinges on the idea that people can't hide things about themselves for one reason or another. Someone who isn't outwardly a flamer joining a gay clique and then saying they're gay doesn't mean they weren't gay before. Not all people are open about everythign all the time.
>>219792343
I talk about both that theory and the social shit if you actuall read everything.
>>219792416
No, I don't. I didn't put that particularly well, I concede on that. But I still don't get the point that was being made there. I didn't say that every single person that joins a gay clique joins it because they're gay. But it is expotentionally more likely that someone who starts hanging around almost exclusively around queers is also a queer. People objectively prefer to hang around others who are similar to them. And sharing a deviant attraction is a pretty fundamental similarity.
>>219792449
>no arguments

>>219792568
Anon, are you gay?

>>219792568
Anon, do you enjoy engaging with the artistic output of vivziepop?

>>219792675
>>219792738
Did you only just realize???

>>219792568
>People objectively prefer to hang around others who are similar to them.
People also objectively modify their behavior consciously and unconsciously to conform to the people around them. Not irrational to say that one who starts hanging out with faggots because they have a shared interest in video games might adopt faggot behaviors and interests to fit in better. But I think you know this and understand this, but you deny it because exposure to or entertainment of this concept undermines accepted homosexual rhetoric, namely the "born this way" point.

>>219792568
>Anime fanclub or a videogame fanclub doesn't equal "fully gay clique".
All or nothing
> I concede on that.
No you don't. See above where you did exactly that again. Your fucking brain is broken to the point that you have to exaggerate things to fit your preconception.

>>219781259
it's reddit and jewish

>>219789509
>nu-anime
FLCL came out 25 years ago.

complete heretical trash
I want to fuck loona tho

>>219792896
Yes anon, people tend to not believe theories that undermine their perspective and experience, but I also explained several times that there is also plenty of rational ground not to blindly believe this theory. "I saw a person hang around with faggy people and then he said he was a fag too". The interpretation of this as "he became a fag because he saw others being fags" can make sense, but you have to ignore the fact that people are often not honest with others nor themselves. You also need to exaggerate (uh oh something another anon accused me of) the extent to which people can modify their behavior. Someone can develop flamboyant fashion or interest in faggy media, but the leap from that to getting a taste for cock is extreme. You don't force your dick to get up to sexy things, if anything it's the opposite, people often need to control their desire because it's inappropriate in certain contexts. I mean again, I get why you could come to the conclusion to which you came and I get why you might not want to believe me, as I am obviously biased towards myself. But notice how I am not denying what you saw, I'm only challening the interpretation. Maybe you have some details that you didn't mention idk. I think you just have a genuine disgust towards gay shit, I'm not the kind of person to believe that people are "forced" to have a physical dislike gay shit (which includes everything, regular gays, flaming gay expression, expressions of fetishistic attraction, trannies and whatnot), just as I am not a kind of person to believe that people can be forced to get an erection from gay shit without being predisposed to homosexuality from the start.
>>219792945
Are you implying I exaggerated the take about gay cliques? The original posts says "hanging out with the faggot clique". Faggot clique implies a whole clique composed of faggots, it doesn't imply "having a single gay friend or maybe two".

>>219792945
>No you don't. See above where you did exactly that again.
You see how disingenuous this faggot is being, fake conceding without actually adopting the change in viewpoint or argumentation such a concession would require, yet you're still arguing with him? You're the bigger retard for entertaining the idea of convincing this kind of person.

What you should really do is extrapolate on this faggot's behavior and realize that this is how faggots and leftists as a whole operate. In an argument or a protest or any other circumstance where the image or rhetoric of their groups is on the line anything is fair game. Disingenuous arguments, lies, phony concessions are all fair play because to them the bottom line of supporting their faggy little communities is the only moral imperative. They're evil. As a fact of their being, literally ontologically, they're evil.

>>219793304
Porn warps sexuality
Friend groups often share porn, especially gay ones and anime ones
It's so telling how you twist in pretzels to deny the obvious

>>219793304
>Are you implying I exaggerated the take about gay cliques? The original posts says "hanging out with the faggot clique". Faggot clique implies a whole clique composed of faggots, it doesn't imply "having a single gay friend or maybe two".
You're such a disingenuous cocksucker. Let me give you a scenario so I can see how you slime around it.
>Be freshman
>Have passing interest in anime and video games
>Meet someone who also has interest
>Hang out with him and his friend group
>Turns out he was gay and so are they, this is the gay group
>ah damn, well it's okay, I'm not a bigot
>They start flirting and coming on to me
>this is weird, but I don't want to lose their acceptance as I don't have other friends
>over time convince myself that I like it and I was always this way
>come out as gay
Many, many, many such fucking cases and you know it, you faggot.

>>219781815
>PSG was inspired by fucking DRAWN TOGETHER and south park
jesus christ bro, they outright copy genndy tartakovsky style and linework, you could've just said power puff girls and dexter's lab. Fucking drawn together?

>>219781259
>Demons are redeemable
>Won’t put Jesus in
Lol, try and get into Heaven without the Big Guy. They’ll all flee from him like Legion did.

>>219793411
You're such a malding little bitch is unreal. I concede on the point that saying "And you not becoming a fag kinda disproves the theory that hanging around with these groups would cause one to become a fag." is stupid and doesn't disprove that specific point and is an exaggeration. What else do I exaggerate? My point is that the situation described "someone hangs around fag clique and comes out as gay" is no concrete proof because the situation of that person simply hiding it, or expressing it differently, is as likely, if not more, and it's not something unrealistic, fantastical or exaggerated.
>>219793489
>Porn warps sexuality
Proof...? The "person who was jerking off to this certain porn started jerking off to different porn later on" thing is the same argument as "person started hanging around fag cliques and came out as a fag". He could've always had an inclination but either didn't conceptualize it (people don't immediately get a statistical description of themselves in their brain, they often only do that after actually experiencing them) or already jerked off to that porn but didn't tell anyone. Again, you can't actually definitely prove this without a study. Either interpretation of events. But we don't have any studies on hand, so what gives. Why is it so unrealistic that people can cope with insecurity by pretending they were "tricked" into liking certain thing that they believe would shame them? I never denied that I obviously inclined to believe things that suit my position, but I also provide examples of interpretations that are not at all unrealistic.

>>219784930
This is correct, the only straight flag in canon is nifty. It would be odd to depict lucifer as a strict heterosexual.
>>219784140
vox bottoms for anything that isn't valentino and even then that hispanic sissy is just humoring him.

>>219793788
The creators mentioned drawn together.
>they outright copy genndy tartakovsky
Genndy would have liked it considering he was a huge weeb.

>>219793804
>that person simply hiding it, or expressing it differently, is as likely, if not more
No, it isn't, you've provided no evidence of it being more likely and it hinges entirely on denying the idea that people are maliciously or otherwise groomed into faggotry by social forces as described by this anon >>219793645 and I think we've all seen instances of this occurring. Fuck you, you malicious little bitch.

>>219787712
The entire cast are theater kids, almost every song is tangentially related to musical theater. Last season lucifer drinks from a mug that says the great quacksby because the voice actor was at the time playing gatsby on broadway. Almost the entire cast is broadway related and there's a running gag on how it's unironically the most tony awards ever gathered in one tv show.

>>219793804
>The "person who was jerking off to this certain porn started jerking off to different porn later on" thing is the same argument as "person started hanging around fag cliques and came out as a fag"
You're literally denying the concept of desensitization now? What a fucking retard you are. You're gonna break your fucking spine bending over backwards like this.

>>219793940
Those are just cheap references. The quality of the writing is still too low.

>>219791111
On some lengthy interviews this is what vivzie herself said. She wished she had more screentime and was able to let things breathe more. She said the pacing gets better as she now has more seasons greenlit, but S1 was a bumrush. Apparently, the 2 songs an episode has become a contractual obligation with amazon as well.

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I have no strong feelings about the show, but I want to fuck every single character in it.

>>219794006
The post you were originally quoting stated that it was made by and for theater fags, you disagreed, I showed how it was, in fact, made by and for theater fags. Nothing about this was about the quality of the writing.

>>219794081
>Nothing about this was about the quality of the writing.
Wouldn’t people that have studied theater have some standards when it comes to the quality of writing?

>>219794184
>Wouldn’t people that have studied theater have some standards when it comes to the quality of writing?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No

>>219790816
No one said these tranny shows are successful at trooning people out. They try to do it and it's the main purpose of the show. They target kids who don't know better. Not every viewer is some 40 year old neckbeard, a lot of them are kids who just want to see the new trendy thing. Whether or not it's successful no one knows.
I would assume that a lot of autistic ''people'' do get groomed. You can convince autistic retards of pretty much anything.

>>219794184
No friend. No. I'm sorry that's the case, on many levels.

>>219783406
Yeah, why do you? Anything wrong with gay tranny furry shows now?

>>219794277
A shockingly high percentage of autistic people come out as gay or trans. It is way higher than the average rate for normal people, suggesting influencing social forces.

>>219793799
There's no way the show goes forward if they ever depicted or even alluded to jesus. In fact God won't be depicted at all either, vivzie has already stated that the Speaker of God bird lady is as close as we get to God in the show.

>>219781259
The kind of person who likes this are extremely gay. Furries, pedos, wierdos. Styxhexenhammer.

You can tell just by looking at the degen art style.

>>219793804
Your internal monologue, externalized:
>If I just talk long enough I'm sure I can defend something I have no evidence for. I'm sure of it!
>I mean, I've believed gays were born that way since they told me they were when I was a teenager!
>I have to keep believing it, don't I?
>I can't possibly have been wrong this whole time.
>...then why don't I have evidence for it?
>no, I don't need evidence. We don't have any studies, so reality can be whatever I make it!

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Another "tranny show" without a single tranny in it. Or does "tranny show" just mean "anything I don't like" now?

>>219794319
If you had ever read anything on the matter, and I say this as someone who is very right leaning, you'd know that it suggest I high incidence of paraphilias. Autistic people have abnormal sexual tendencies, it's why not only they overrepresent as gay/trans but are absurdly overrepresented in kink (whatever their sexual preference). People who have committed career suicide by studying this have postured that their difference in neurology, especially how they process endorphins and other positive feedback system impact severely how they crave it, likening it to addicts, always needing a higher dose to get their kicks.

>>219793645
>Many, many, many such fucking cases and you know it
You're literally just saying that a made up scenario happens all the time....just because?
>this is weird, but I don't want to lose their acceptance as I don't have other friends
>over time convince myself that I like it and I was always this way
This requires one to believe that it is physically possible to will your brain to rewire itself so that your endocrine system responds to things it didn't respond to before. I don't believe in this, if I see actual like medical proof of this being possible, and not like some outlier case of a person with super specific condition, I'd have a reason to believe in this. Otherwise IRL, even if the person comes out as "gay" (likely they'd come out as bi) realistically they won't end up actually having any gay sex, and eventually get a girlfriend or something.
>>219794002
No, but I do think people on here in fact exaggerate that concept. The whole idea is that because you're desensitzed to something that means you suddenly gain the capability to will yourself into getting off to something you previously didn't like. Also, porn is always pointed out but desensitization to regular sex is ignored. Cause people get that all the time in relationships. And usually they don't start having gay orgies or drinking piss, they just wait it out.

>>219794455
tranny show= cartroon that appeals to trannies

>>219793804
Porn does warp your sexuality. You should be careful of all types of content you consume or media in general.

Rap music makes you spiritually a nigger.

Porn makes you more and more of a gooner and the more you indulge certain fantasies the stronger you want to act that out in real life or you need greater and greater kinks to get off. Trying to limit your intake of it and not indulging in the crazier stuff that feels wrong limits this.

Too much of this bean mouth, deformed, jewish ugliness is not good for your soul. It makes you gay.

Living around brutalist commie architecture is also bad for your soul. You need good looking clean buildings and nature.

>>219794481
Kill yourself.

>>219781259
Godless

>>219794452
>since they told me they were when I was a teenager
Nobody told me, didn't I literally say I was myself a fag a few posts back? I grew up in a slav country where there were no "gay cliques" in schools. I didn't even watch gay shit as a small kid, mostly regular cartoons. But as a teen when I hit puberty i just realized that i never had a crush on a girl and i seemed to find men more interesting. I only got internet in like 2012, and that was even before I could get into some Tumblr communities and shit. Now this doesn't prove any point, indeed a single case doesn't mean that every other case is the same. But you're trying to tell me that I got my beliefs from some outside fag clique, which didn't happen. Althought I am predicting you will not believe me, which is fine, this is an anonymous imageboard, and we don't even have an IP count. I could be samefagging and arguing with myself and no one would be able to prove it definitively.

>>219794560
This is true if youre some normie 50IQ retard that follows any slop they watch

>>219794452
Continuing the reply.
>no evidence
And your evidence is...? We are using the same framework. You provide an hypothetical scenario of how the "grooming" happens and I provide a scneario in which this chain of events doesn't actually have grooming in it. "Person hangs out with fags becomes a fag because....he just does!". My reply is that "person might have been a fag before joining the clique and he was interested in the clique because he was a fag". Which of course is the same assumption with no evidence. Yet you're feigning that you have more evidence than I do without providing it.
>>219794560
>Porn does warp your sexuality
I am not inclined to believe it without medical proof, I found the idea that one can will themselves into getting off to something they didn't like out of "peer pressure" or "desensitization".
>Rap music makes you spiritually a nigger.
Not comparable, this is a change in aesthetic preference which is a less complex process than attraction, endocrine system. Also you can hear a lot of rap music and still hate it, to become a wigger you'd have to have some interest in it previously. A more comparable analogy would be rap music would make you wish to literally change race. There are some white cucks who wish they were black but that doesn't have anything to do with rap music, the push for white guilt even predates it.
>Living around brutalist commie architecture is also bad for your soul. You need good looking clean buildings and nature.
It does affect a person's mood. But ones mood at any given point in time is not their whole personality (given the fact that it so easily switches with change of location) and definitely does not affect something as fundamental as attraction. Plenty of fags who have tried some shit like gym-maxxing or surroundign themselves with conservatism that still did not change at all. Milo Yiannopoulos crying on Xitter how he suffers after larping as "cured of homosexuality". That sissy husband of Kristi Noem.

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>LIVE TO SEE A RAY OF SUNSHINE THROUGH THE HAZE OF THE MORNING ETHER
kino

>>219794933
I only like the electroswing songs. The le epic ones are unmemorable.

>>219794640
>It's true for me so it disproves every other situation.
There we go with that fag talk again. I just want you to admit it's possible some fags are genuine fags and other fags are social fags.

>>219794640
>didn't I literally say I was myself a fag a few posts back?
>I have a vested interest in faggots not coming under scrutiny
So why should anyone consider your opinion when the conflict of interest is clearly going to have you deny inconvenient truths?

>>219781259
not enough bare feet
many such cases

>>219795103
>t's true for me so it disproves every other situation
You didn't finish, or skipped through my post. The post wasn't disproving the point about the possibility of "social fags", that post was specifically about your accusation that I, myself, personally, was told to believe things that I wish to believe.
Belief in "social homosexuality" hinges on if you find the idea of being able to force oneself into another sexual attraction, or a fetish, through sheer free will realistic enough. I don't, this is way too simple for something as complex as attraction. Your attraction hinges not only on the brain wiring in terms of what activates the neurons but also things like hormonal balance (in tandem). I find this concept so far fetched that I do believe it's kind of stupid to take it as gospel without proper medical evidence. I would not deny medical evidence.
>>219795166
Didn't I address this a while back in posts? You don't have to believe me of course. I do think this this is kind of a line between inherent conservative beliefs and inherent liberal beliefs. Everyone is biased, you dislike homosexuality so you inclined to believe arguments against it, I'm a fag so I'm inclined to believe arguments towards it. It's about if you're willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt when they're talking about their experience (it is customary to allow a person to defend themselves in court), or you would rather judge based completely on your own. I will say that despite the fact that I think you're biased against me I don't deny your experience. I do believe that one could experience seeing someone who seemingly isn't a fag turn into one, it looks that way from the side, I don't think you were "forced" into disliking faggotry either, so I do think it would more proper to give each other a benefit of the doubt, but I don't have a way to "convince" you obviously.

>>219794646
These things are below your level of awareness. You dont feel like it affects you but it clearly does. You are not immune to propaganda. You have to guard yourself

>>219794481
>The whole idea is that because you're desensitzed to something that means you suddenly gain the capability to will yourself into getting off to something you previously didn't like.
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

>>219795479
Pavlov's experiments were mostly (if not exclusively) conducted on dogs, and their behaviour isn't fully equivalent to human behaviour which is more complex. His experiments with conditioning have also been done in controlled lab conditions as well as training being more extreme than "hanging out with gays", "watching gay cartoon" or "jerking off to porn".
Again, we're kinda hitting the wall where the arguments hinge on what we're inclined to be realistic, and we're inclined to believe in the feasibility of something based on already existing underlying ideological position.
I don't think social conditioning as described is realistically severe enough to cause a human to acquire ability t will themselves into having an attraction that they completely lacked before. And I don't think Pavlov's dog experiments are comparable because of pretty extreme difference in species, environment and actual process of conditioning.
If you're wondering what I am inclined to believe - being around gays can affect your fashion or aesthetic sense in some way. It can also numb ones inherent disgust (which i do believe in) towards queer behaviours / expression. I don't think lack of disgust = inclination towards acquiring the taste for that tho. For example someone might have a fetish for, idk, leather. Most people aren't disgusted by leather clothing (only usually a very flamboyant variant of it, that not even all people into leather like, where you're like in full leather that's at the same time revealing at some places). Yet we never saw any massive trend for leather fetishism. It's not inherently disgusting but most people just don't have it in their brain to be aroused.

>>219795741
>everyone who has anything bad to say about guys just hates them and hasn't spent enough time with them.
I assure you it was spending time with them that made me hate them.

I was dating a lady friend who I watched the pilot with. We broke up, and after years of passage of time the show was still not out. No reason to watch it now

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What the fuck is her problem?

>>219795741
The lengths faggots will go to to normalize their degeneracy will never cease to disgust and ever-so-slightly amuse me.

>>219795814
I don't know if you're the same anon or not but that's the "my experience was this way which means all experiences are this way" thing. Also, this doesn't contradict the inherent dislike of homosexuality people have. You might have not had a dislike of a certain image of what a queer (be it gay, lesbian, trans whatever) should / could be and when you encountered something actually fundamentally different it triggered the natural dislike towards that something. Idk what specifically was it. I am not really interested in going like case by case saying what I think is ok what I think isn't ok.

>>219796059
You don't see how that argument you're making insulates gays entirely from any criticism, do you? I spent plenty of time with guys and started to hate them when the pedophilia undercurrent in their community grew too outspoken to ignore, oh, and the one guy mounting my ass and dry humping me when I went to take a shot in pool didn't help either. Big surprise, too, when I called him out for it he said, "wow, homophobic!?"
You faggots are allergic to accountability and won't evenentertain the possibility that anything could be wrong with you. I tried to be an ally years ago, but at this point, I'd support your genocide. Blame yourselves.

>>219796257
How many people have you actually met? Your experience sucks obviously. I do agree that there should be more organization within it to drive out elements that are basically self destructive. And this is something the community should do, not someone from the outside do for it. But I am not sure what kind of a reaction you want. "I met a pedo gay and a gay who sexually harassed me, so you, gay who didn't do those things, should hate your own homosexuality". You never met a single gay who would tell you that "yeah that gay that says you can have sex with children is insane, and that gay that sexually harassed you is also insane".
The criticism should be against lack of organization and often extremely retarded representatives of the community. Again, if your problem is based in these experiences and not something inherent. Also "pedophilia undercurrent" sounds very vague. Wearing flamboyant clothing/ makeup in public is not it. But waving a dildo on a Pride Parade where kids might be is definitely sus and I do think people organising those events should be called out on allowing literal dildo waving.

>>219796577
If it's wrong to generalize all gays as likely bad based on my experience, then it's worse to generalize all gays as likely good contrary to my experience.

>>219797033
You can generalize them as likely neutral and therefore have a neutral approach by being wary personally around people you percieve could harass you but at the same time don't go around telling everyone else how awgul faggots are cause the fags you met yourself were bad and possibly campaigning / supporting people campaigning against them. Maybe you don't see a possibility of dialogue. It's understandable cause the main "argument" activists love using is usually deflection or pretending that all queer expression should be intuitively understood by straight people, instead of making the case for why one should give the benefit of the doubt towards tolerating / accepting / allowing this or that expression, like clothing and such. As well of lack of boundaries in certain areas which leads to people weaving dildoes, or wearing clothing that like shows their dick or something on events on which minors are allowed.
Obv none of these arguments are effective if someone just inherently thinks faggotry is wrong rather than turning sour based on personal experience as you described. But in that case no verbal arguments are effecting, it's just a fundamental difference.

>>219793645
just stop living in denial dude
it's not good for your mental health

>>219781259
It's gay and retarded. All of the relationships are extremely poorly written and boring. Vaggie/Charlie feels contrived and the writers know it which is why they spend so much time forcing scenes of them together
Also Pentious/Sera is would be infinitely more interesting than having him with Cherri or whatever her name is

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>>219781259
>>219781577
>>219781830
Hazbin Homotel is kind of hard to understand
>>219795952
self-insert of the crazier fans pretty much
It's telling troons and gays audience that they are going in hell but at the same time said public is eating it up
Is it a 4d chess thing ?

>219797523
And lol, just as I make a post mentining "deflection" arguments, someone comes into the thread to provide an example of such.

>>219797501
Btw that's basically all I have to say at this point. If you find it more feasible to be staunchly against acceptance of gay shit and such based on your experience - whatever. I decided to go on an argument cause I noticed actual attempts at rationality. I basically never argue with anyone here cause most of the shit on here is just trolling / shitpost spamming from either side of the "argument", who cares. But here I got some genuine replies so I decided to see where could the conversation go. I think it hit some fundamentals where there's not much room. I ain't gonna argue about details like how would one organize the community, arguments about why this or that aesthetic expression is okay and should be given tolerant treatment. Leave that shit to public debates or something...which i doubt will ever happen, but i do wonder where the activists will go next since there's a chance of a blue wave in America because of the retarded Iran war and liberal American admin means more liberal activism again, and what happens in America influences the whole word, etc. etc. They will probably step on the same fucking rake tho, that's my bet.
Either way, wow, some relatively proper conversation on /tv/pol/ that's something. Bye bye (please let the thread die).

>>219797501
>please please please please please don't believe what you've seen with your own eyes, you have to assume your experiences don't have actual meaning!
And what are you going to do if I don't, gay boy? I'll be as vocal as I can against your little fairy club until you're all dead, converted, or shoved back into the closet.

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>>219798675
>And what are you going to do if I don't, gay boy
I can suck your dick
why did you have to bump this thread

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>>219798811
BECAUSE I HAAATE YOUUUU!!!!

>>219798878
You don't have to subject everyone else on the board to it tho.

I watched this with my ex girlfriend who loved it. she was really into furry shit. I found the whole thing uninteresting and revolting. and I am a disgusting degenerate. I just don't find a bunch of weird looking creatures swearing and making constant sex jokes entertaining at all.

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>>219790453
bumping for VP, buy the blu ray and support Umetso-san

>>219781259
>Why does 4chan hate red.dit again??
Newfag

>tranzbin hotel

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>>219799242
>reddit derangement syndrome

>>219798106
>>219797501
All those words to try and appear rational and considerate, but you deny desensitization and conditioning because humans are "extremely" different from dogs. Get real. Any retard can blather at length while being wrong. Go back to your hugbox or livejournal. Everyone here can see your idiocy. Personally, I will continue bumping this thread to death so that your retardation is seen by all.

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>>219781259
>Does it make you want to cry when you se a black man die?
>Did hurt you through and through when George Floyd’s face was turning blue??
>Well luckily for you, there’s something we can do!
>We can help them fuck your wife, so you can spread black life!
>Cause here at R.E.D-D.IT. we protest black men dying violently!
>No we never even ask a fee!
>Because good people upvote this post!
>And we all do that the most!!
>We’ll fluff your cu.ck bull for you,
>And simp for a commie Jew!
>So just sit back and let us shill the booooards for youuu!
>OH WE!
>ARE THE R.E.D-D.I.T!!!

>>219799432
sex with keenie or whatever her name is

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>It's a tranny show!
>It's reddit!

No, this show makes people like that seethe.

Alastor is 4chan coded

>>219799509
>intelligent
>nihilistic
>and a wicked sense of humor
He's reddit incarnate

Nobody got up in arms about the Darksiders video game series for putting a take on Christian mythos. Or Dante for The Divine Comedy (and the subsequent game). Shit, the church pretty much acknowledged that the book of revelations was fan fiction but they put it in the Bible anyways because it was basically a Marvel tier story that masses liked.

>>219799402
>uhm you're wrong because you just are
This is the only way this conversation will go ahead anon. I do believe there's a fundamental difference. I didn't deny desensitization, only the idea that it leads to one willing themselves into a wholly another sexuality. You can repeat again that waaah you're wrong I am right if you wish.
But reallt if you're going to bump the thread you should post some R34 to get desensitized to instead.

>>219781259
I don't watch cartoons.

>>219799681
this is an anime website thoughtbeit

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>>219781259
It's written like a Cartoon Network show but wants to be taken seriously.
Which can work, but that would require Viv to be able to tell a compelling narrative.
The pacing is wack, the characters are one dimensional, the plot is stupid, and then entire thing feels like a bad fanfiction of itself.
I waited a long time for it to come out and it turned to ashes in my mouth.

>>219781259
Same as every other show they shill here: Horrible fucking drawings

>>219799675
Nope, he's right. You're wrong because you legitimately just are. That happens sometimes.

>>219799742
>but wants to be taken seriously
Uh...to a small extent? It's not really trying to be BoJack Horserman. The shit is very overtly campy and dumb, I think she justs expects you at most to feel bad for the most "tortured" characters on like a basic level.

>>219799555
>intelligent
Cunning or opportunistic. Mostly just a narcissist that cares about his own appearance.
>nihilistic
He enjoys shit talking and watching people fail
>wicked sense of humor
He doesn’t crack jokes or quips.

>>219799787
I'll pretend you didn't samefag. I will only concede my position on desensitization leading to someone radicallty changing their sexual attraction if there's a study on humans on the topic. I don't know what you're basing this on beyond very distant analogy with Pavlov's dog experiments. If it's "personal experience" then it's of no more weight than when I say that my personal experience didn't have this shit.To me the theory sounds like some people simply coping that they have a weird ass fetish by saying uhm I was normal but i jerked off too much and uhm my brain misfired!

>>219799880
>He doesn’t crack jokes or quips.
He does.
Vox is more similar to an averge 4chan poster if we're being real. Alastor is indeed a Redditor, he is gonna end up jobbing hard at some point, he is cleary set up for failure.

>>219799805
Yeah it's a comedy, but the moments where it's supposed to be serious come across as unearned, because we've learned nothing about these characters.

>>219800034
Yeah...I'll have to repeat myself again here, the writing is rushed because of lack of episode and overload of songs. I do think that barely any melodrama works. I think Vox / Alastor beef is decent and Angel's arc is passable. But Charlie is a pretty shit character and she is supposed to be the lead. Her relationship with Vaggie sucks and it's clear Viv doesn't give a fuck about it. Their songs together are also quite shit. Pentious / Cherri I like conceptually but again, needs more screentime.

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>>219799922
>I'll pretend you didn't samefag.
Womp womp

>>219799922
Either way, neither of us has "proof" aside from "well i personally had an experience that's kinda that way". No medical proof that you can genuinely coom yourself into a wholly different sexuality that you didn't have before.No medical proof of my "cope" theory either with like psychological / psychiatric study of the person making such a claim. This is a brick wall and it's BORING. Bump the thread with R34 or begone.
>>219800242
>what is Paint
Also
>caring enough about being called samefag you attempt to prove it
It was an irrelevant meme remark anon

>>219781259

OP, it's because shills like you relentlessly spammed and astroturfed this trash here to generate public awareness, just like the Terrifier movies which are also fucking awful.....

Also OP, consider the following.....

https://jumpshare.com/share/07QF8XQwqHQxzP6Wg0r0

!!!FACT!!!

>>219800437
>namefag feigning superiority

>>219800493
>>namefag feigning superiority

I don't claim to be superior to anyone as I have crippling low self-esteem despite being the greatest human that has ever existed!!!FACT!!!

>>219800358
Faggots legitimately are the most insufferable types we allow in western civilization. Islam has the right idea about you.

>>219799880
it's a meme you dip

>>219800614
This is very sad
>>219800635
What kind of Islam
Some Islam thinks fags are ok if they turn into trannies
Also convert already Pedro

>>219800697
>This is very sad

Yeah but.....

https://youtu.be/SS5Cksd266Y?si=SfHJJjlhdKoB29Tr

!!!FACT!!!

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>>219800786
You're so cringe it might just turn me straight and deboonk my beliefs. Although if I turn straight i would have no reason to hold them no more anyway.

>>219800358
>caring enough about being called samefag you attempt to prove it
>It was an irrelevant meme remark anon
>feigning nonchalance while responding to the thread for at least 8 hours today.
Anon, I don't believe you care as little as you'd like me to believe.

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>>219800860
>You're so cringe it might just turn me straight and deboonk my beliefs. Although if I turn straight i would have no reason to hold them no more anyway.

>>219800954
Humiliating yourself isn't worth these goals.

>>219801010
>Humiliating yourself isn't worth these goals.

I've already surpassed those!!!FACT!!!

Bump for the lulz

>>219801497
https://youtu.be/eJrlezLvWnU

>>219801590
Kek

>>219781873
I don't know if you formatted this weirdly or if is a reading comprehension issue on my end but
>in the bible angels are all 100% good!
Read the book of enoch.

>>219781873
>in the bible angels are all 100% good!
Who do you think Lucifer was?

>>219801930
>>219801978
anon was making fun of annoying people constantly complaining that Tumblr wish fulfilment slop not being supposedly canonical to Bible
the post did not insinuate that it itself is representing the Bible accurately
you're bumping what is basically a /pol/ thread about homosex to autistically nitpick this shit
shame

If this were to be an anime, and every androgenous character were to be draw a girl and called a boy or they were le yaoi tumblr sexyman, i would get why fags would get it on with this, but every design i saw of this thing so far is so unnapealing, so weird, so awful looking, that i prefer not even try to get it this time.

>>219802046
You need to have a specific kind of Tumblr slash Deviantart autism to get into it. Turns out this autism is surprisingly widespread. Especially in Japan where the show is outplaying even some of the anime. It's a hit there.

>shitbin asstel thread to hit bump limit
This board should be deleted.

>>219802134
>more than a half of the thread is discussing gay shit, not even about the show
Kekarooo!

>>219781259
Hazbin < Helluva Boss
Hazbin is so gay it makes Helluva Boss look less gay. Still totally fucking gay, but far less gay.

>>219802174
The gay show, the show about how everyone in hell is gay, and they're all sluts, gay damned sluts.

>>219802174 #
Welcome to /tv/pol/ where people who don't like something have to come into the threads they don't like and someone will unironically engage with them.
>>219802232 #
Helluva Boss is much more gay AND has even worse writing. The whole fujo storyline with Stolas and Blitzo is so fucking awful. And the whole thing just keeps ditching plotlines.

helluva season 1 > hazbin season 2 > hazbin season 1 > eating turds fresh from the bowl > helluva season 2
none of these are actually good though