Soul overload
>>219883982return to oz is superior to the dark crystal
>>219883982why cant these types of movies be made today?
>>219884015We lost the technology
>>219884015Even back then people thought these movies were really weird let alone nowadays where everyone is stupid and needs constant reassurance that what they're watching knows it's weird, but to make a movie with no human or familiar animal characters in it would be impossible to make.
>>219884015The white people who made these movies would nowdays be replaced by Shaniqua, Rajesh and Pablo. The talent and skill required for such films have been lost.
>>219884015People need to get in touch with genuine psychedelic weirdness again.If you look at the current fantasy illustration for Dungeons & Dragons or various 'romantasy' books, it's like art made by homebody steampunk they/thems who grew up on League of Legends and have never hiked around and smoked weed or did mushrooms in a forest and felt the true weirdness and mysticism of nature. That's what so much of the strange creativity of fantasy, sci-fi, and other fun/creative genre stuff and even kids movies in the 70s and 80s came from... boomers who had been hippies and understood where true whimsy and comes from, how people in older times 'saw' fairies in the knots and roots of old trees
>>219884015the dark crystal series was amazing, but noone saw it and it was a financial flop.
>>219884015you know why
>>219884015They tried Dark Crystal again but it wasn't popular enough. They're too expensive for the niche that they're targeting.
>>219884077these movies were out there even for their time. most art is a direct consequence of iteration, im not sure if there are many iterations left for these types of projects, people simply lack and interest and the money is not there, and never really was. most media is designed with some purpose in mind, and unless you can find a rich benefactor, it wont be made unless you are stubborn and intelligent.
>>219884077The specific reason for that is because multiple younger generations (I'm talking up to 40 year olds) have grown up on the WoW aesthetics. You can see it in almost all normie approved fantasy properties and almost all mobile phone games. It is essentially THE western fantasy design at this point.I'm sure all the video game design courses have that as the default fantasy style they teach as well.It completely obliterated all other styles in western game design studios and by extension everything pop-fantasy related.
>>219884015David Bowie died ten years ago.
They made a dark crystal show a few years ago right?
>>219884378And I assume the pumped it full of dark actors.
>>219884295I agree.There is a line that goes something like WC3-->DOTA-->China/Asia-->MOBA explosion-->Mobile Games. Its aesthetic designed for top down/RTS games where you need to be able to distinguish what's happening in a clusterfuck of units, and it would have been fine if that's where it stayed, but WoW becoming popular simultaneously leading to Blizzard dominating the 00's fantasy landscape has done so much damage.
>>219884295It's so terrible too. The only places I see proper fantasy aesthetics done right anymore is in the metal scene - on album covers and flyers. And trippiness and weird visuals are still alive in the psychedelic culture. Also some cool weird almost dark-crystal-esque aesthetics in certain online aesthetic cornersBut these more normie gamer they/them nerds are just useless, they barely read and have no life experience or taste and they're just destroying all genre aesthetics. And I really blame queer steampunk-adjacent millennials, they're the worst. That's where that ridiculous asymmetrical side-cut queer paladin steampunk rogue thing came from. Fuck them. Tasteless cringe retards
>>219884466It's interesting too because originally Warcraft was pretty much directly getting their visual style from Warhammer. But then they started to cringeify it with WC3 / WOW and yeah I agree it really gets bad with DOTA. Things fully start to descend into steampunk territory
>>219884378Such a heartbreaker. I was tiny when I first saw DC and didn't have a clue what was going on, but the general atmosphere hooked me in. The new one just didn't have that 'x factor'. >Anon, you're older nowTrue and maybe that is (sadly) part of it. Little Jackie Paper came no more, and all that. But there are still other shows that have me champing at the bit for the next episode, thus one had major "yeah I'll get to it later" energy.
>>219884378Yes, and it was kino, but the jewish execs axed it because they felt personally offended at the portrayal of the skeksis
>>219884576>asymmetrical side-cut queer paladin steampunk roguewat
>>219884614this post was written by an llm
I love the classic era of fantasy art. It was obviously schlock itself but it understood what fantasy was and had this sort of heavy-metal-meets-new-age vibe that hit just the right notes for the genre. I don't see how queer steampunk is even supposed to fit into the idea of what fantasy is, which should be about a more magical, old-world type of setting, not cringe cosmopolitan dweebs sipping latte and talking about gender and poly relationships or fucking whatever it is now
>>219884650I was throwing various references together there, but I mean this kind of shit (bottom image, obviously)
>>219884738Burn it all till nothing is left.
>>219884689>It was obviously schlock itself but it understoodThis. There's something about how serious everything has to take itself now. It's like comparing nu GoW to the old ones. The original were gaudy over the top hack and slashers that winked at the camera every so often. Now kratos is crying about his wife's son and having existential dread over PTSD.
>>219883982Is this the ultimate trilogy of kino?
>>219884121>still believes in the moon landingYou yankee mutts are not white and you never accomplished anything.
>>219884689how about goblin slayer.
>>219885079Don't be rude
>>219885079Why do you retards believe humanity has never accomplished anything and that everything is bad forever?I think the answer is obvious - you've achieved fuck all in your life and are projecting. I think that's why there are so many insane tin foil hatters around these days. That and you want to think you're smarter than the average person so you walk around with a sneer on your face, convinced you've cracked the code, and don't believe anything (unless that politician you like tells you otherwise!)
>>219885085nipslop, its literally videogame tropes with a coat of edge on top
>>219885079>>219885155Guys wait I have the perfect webms for this>>>/wsg/6131093>>>/wsg/6131095
>>219885214Man I really enjoyed it though. It wasn't as grand as a lot of rpg style stuff, it was more grounded and I really liked that.I like when you have a group of adventurers around fire sharing stories.
>>219884015Because too many people noticed the occult messages being portrayed in the films.Labyrinth's story follows the blueprint for Monarch programming (for normies, we are talking the MK Ultra experiments performed by the CIA). Everything from Sarah being drugged, exposed to extreme disgust (the films frames it as the bog of stench but irl they used feces and urine), being groped (the helping hands scene), and so forth. Just read the lyrics to the final song. After Sarah thinks she escaped but we can clearly see the fantasy characters all still exist in her mind now, and Jarod as the owl (major intentional symbology there) is still observing her from her window. Daddy, daddy, get me out of hereAh-ha, I'm undergroundHeard about a place todayWhere nothing ever hurts againThey chose Bowie on purpose. They also made no attempt to deny that they chose his outfit to make young girls wet looking at his bulge. >but why would le silly puppet manJust going to cut the strawman off there, keep in mind Henson Co was powerful enough they were going to merge with Disney. He was very influential at the time. Only reason it all fell through was Henson died and he basically was the company.
>>219885079everything you own, consume and like is American.
just sprinted the dark crystalHOLY KINO
>>219885394I love schizos. Super entertaining post. From a sane perspective laughing at it I mean.
>>219883982Dark Crystal is kino if you switch to a language you don't know as Henson intended.
>>219887460then for most of /tv/ english will suffice
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>>219884015They don't make good propaganda vehicles.
>>219883982Sometimes I put movies on in the background on mute while I'm making music and I threw on Dark Crystal without having seen it before.I got to say, usually when I look up at a movie I'll catch one or two visually uninteresting scenes of people talking, but every single time I looked up at Dark Crystal it was a visual treat. I will watch it for real soon.
>>219884068and Jim Henson
>>219885079Nigger worship is like praying to a god that's going to send you to hell regardless
>>219884466I would say its also everyone obsessed with being view the smartest and most grounded so you are only allowed to exist between pure fantasy wow slop designs or everything has to be the most grounded and scientifically accurate from knight armor to monster designs>>219884493Like some guy would look at this and say the dragon is too small and head too big and then redraw it to be some generic real life animal counterpart or that the warrior doesnt have optimal gear for fighting a dragon and give them a bunch of gear that looks more fire proof and a spear for range. There's no in-between for people anymore despite both sides shitting on each other.
Dark Crystal might be the most soulful movie i've ever seen. Supposedly Henson planned the characters to speak their own language but executives stopped it. Would've been kino.Pure, autistic imagination but i can see why it flopped
>>219888251>Like some guy would look at this and say the dragon is too smallit's a wyvern
Is Labyrinth trad? Sarah is whisked off to a magical realm by a rakish older man. He literally drugs her and brings her to a big masked ball where the attendees laugh in anticipation of what's to come. He promises that she'll be free to indulge herself and reject all responsibilities. She tells him that he has no power over her. But she also rebuffs the hoarder goblin lady and gifts the stuffed bear to her baby brother. She's not going to retreat into nostalgia either and become a Disney adult who loves collecting Funko Pops.
>>219888431all I can give you is >wow that was fun
>>219884015I feel like people have gotten too dumb to appreciate psychedelia, fantasy, etc. I mean, if you talk to random people at least half of them are NPCs who can't form pictures in their brains, don't have hobbies, don't have a single disagreement with their chosen party/ideology, etc. Notice how many modern movies have the characters randomly regurgitate the plot to help people who are scrolling on their smartphones follow along. Or how many villains are obviously just based on someone the writer hated in college or something.
>>219888431>is [thing] actually [buzzword]?You’re YouTube brained. You need to detox and take some time away from this site and maybe the internet in general. It’s not healthy for you to try and view things though these lenses that someone else has created.
>>219888697I can see a 4k apple in my head and I still can't draw a fucking stickman.
>>219884077rare to see such an absolutely true post these days
>>219884002Labyrinth>Return to Oz>The Dark Crystal
>>219884576>queer steampunk-adjacent millennialI think I just saw that on someone's LinkedIn profile. They had actionable vertical synergy.
>>219885051Replace Mirrormask with Farscape
>>219884015People don't like to have imagination anymore. They want to be force-fed gluttonous displays of effects and spectacle. Or studios think they do, but each successive release becomes more disposable and forgotten than the rest. Why wait for that most delicious crisp apple off the tree come fall when you can have sugary candy all year long.Retards who don't get it will try to invoke relativism and say something like "Well those old movies were trying to create spectacles too", but they fail to understand that the older films were also communicating life experience to us, the archetypes and mysticism of existence through story and fantasy and symbol, rather than deliver down a packaged message or to speak on behalf of some supposed disenfranchised voice. They were an EXPLORATION of the concepts of existence, an open-ended question, not a RECITATION of that which we are instructed to encapsulate as our sole beliefs. They carried truths in them, but they were truths tempered through challenge and experience, not pedagoguery directed from on high to the morally unfortunate below.
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>>219884576Entropy. Everything is everywhere all the time, mixed into one big muddied mess. Why waste time developing a unique custom fantasy environment when you can just have orcs and elves? Why do a complicated surreal ritual-like form of ancient magic with unknowable consequences when you can say magic is shooting fireballs out of hand that look increasingly more like Goku's powers from some anime?
>>219884762just for fun
>>219884378yes and Netflix thought it was not worth the cash so they canceled it. And later made Cutięs and The Electric State. BECAUSE THESE WERE GOOD INVESTMENTS
>>219890017I don;t think moves like Beastmaster or Krull had much to say abaut the Concepts of existance and truths in the world.
>>219890422Are you sure about that?
>>219890422And how well are those two movies remembered today?Krull occasionally pops up as "that one fantasy film everyone forgot, you know with the weird disc weapon thing". That's about all it's remembered for... not being very well remembered.Meanwhile you don't need to do more than mention Labyrinth, the Dark Crystal, The Never Ending Story, to see peoples eyes immediately light up.
>>219890434unsells you go the route that Krull is actualy a story abaut a Pseudo medival world being invaded by aliens which goes into questions abaut Aliens and Magic. Yes I am shure. That or it's just a DND movie but they couldn't secure the licence as some rumors say.
>>219888324As much as I get you. I don;t think Dark Crystal would be as much remembered as it is. Let's be honest plotwise it's nothing special and the Skeksis really do the heavy lifting (and puppetry ofc.)It wouldn't be the same without Chamberlains iconic "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm" And VA's really gave them larger than life personalities.
>>219890569Compare the scenes of SkekSo's passinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsz-LZyEim4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVIrGONcCu4&t=7s
>>219890504There's a 1987 Russian film called "The Purple Ball" about a whimsical fantasy world being invaded by aliens using a zombie virus.
>>219884015Movie studios are ran by demons. Practical effects cost just as much as digital effects but the practical effect industry is unionized. Using cg might make the movie worse, but it maximizes suffering, both from the audience and from the digital artists who work longer hours and don’t get paid as much as their practical effects counterparts.
>>219884015People don’t actually watch them. We’re all rotten liars for claiming to want creativity and originality.
>>219884068This argument pisses me off so bad. NASA couldnt even get away with it, with literal ROCKET SCIENCE LMAOGive me a few hundred K and send me to home depot and joann fabrics you liars, you scammers, you murderers of culture
>>219888328Proving the point
>>219884015all merrymaking ceased
>>219887572Every time I watch the movie I wish she was real. Like the closest thing in real life is maybe a hippie chick, but they often are too mentally unstable.
>>219890365/tv/,would you skeet in Deet?
>>219885666>Chinese
>>219885394I'll just add that Bowie's 2015 "Darkstar" video was deeply occult, too. Bowie was the High Priest of their religion, and made that video prior to his own death, about his own death, to symbolize the passing of that responsibility to another.The Owl, in particular, was always sacred to the Mother Goddess, hence its statue at the Bohemian Grove and its connection with Ishtar and later Athena. (((They))) worship the feminine force, and like the galli of old have always practiced forms of castration (e.g. circumcision) and gender-bending.
>>219887572ah-aaaaah
>>219894187Kira was my first waifu
>>219890094this but it's also cringe when fantasy elements are made dishonestly different just for the sake of it. Spelling is "magick", the dwarves from Artemis Fowl, the fairies from Spiderwick Chronicles, half the shit in Harry Potter. Having a basis in real folklore (but not 1:1 LoTR or WoW) OR being 100% OC is the best way.
>>219895760"Real folklore" was just history. Giants, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Faeries, etc were all real things; most of them were just ethnonyms for actual groups of human beings. But add in the telephone game and deliberate Christian misinterpretations, and you get all this fantasy trash.Even in Tolkien, goblins and orcs are obviously and unambiguously just humans that were perceived to be degenerate and "mongoloid". This is disguised today because of identity politics and the desires that various groups of deplorables have to infiltrate, corrupt, and take credit for the genre.
>>219896159Tolkien elves were supposed to be chad humans too, not pointy-eared short twinks
comfy sovlhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9kdzso
>>219896159yes, that is what I mean. Make these races distinct within historically established framework and not some quirky meme shit. Modern people have inherent understanding of the basic concepts of these different peoples that make classical fantasy relatable by default.
>>219896324I would want the same thing. It's not going to be allowed, though, because fantasy "races" are really just stand-ins for real-world racial issues. They realized that traditionalists, those loyal to the roots of fantasy/gaming culture, purists, or whatever you'd want to call us, were using fantasy and gaming as a refuge. They have and will spend any amount of money to deny us that, and they cannot be outspent.Basically what I'm saying is that the infiltration/subversion of fantasy culture was no accident, so there's no hope of things just casually or incidentally trending back toward the good stuff.
>>219896159Giants were real though, when fallen angels bred with human women, creating nephilim.
>>219896446That seems a lot less fun and imaginative. So we can't have cool stories about elves and orcs, we just have to say there's no magic in the world, those are just Turks?
>>219884015Because normies won't pay to see them. They literally made a Dark Crystal series which was great, but no one watched it so they won't make a sequel or anything similar.
hmmmmmmmmmm
>>219896522Yes, they were real, and they're called Jews today. The term "Giant" really just means "earth-born" in Greek; it does not mean "very large" like it does in English, though in Greek literature the Giants did have large (though human) stature. The reason they are called "earth-born" is because of the Abrahamic myth in Genesis 2 where they were literally created from "adamah" or "earth" (or "clay", as in Job). Here's a 9th-century Greek lexicon entry equating Giants with Abrahamites:[(880) Photius - LexiconἈβραμιαῖοςAbramiaios (Abrahamite): Gigantic, befitting a sacred person. Or descendant of Abraham.]The same basic equation appears in at least two other Indo-European languages. In Norse, the terms "Jotun" and "Eoten" and their cognates are understood to be cognate with "Jute". They were just references to the ethnic Jutes, mythologized. The equation Jute = Jew is quite old, as well. So Jotun = Eoten = Jute = Geat = Jew = Giant.Also, in Romanian the term "Jidovi" can mean either "giant" or "Jew". All of this was once common knowledge, and it's been deliberately erased or confined to scholarly literature. And, like the nephilim, one of the defining characteristics of modern Jewry is that they are mixed race.>>219896586What made those fantasy races interesting in the first place was their connection to the real world. The further any given theoretical fantasy race gets from archetypal images that are ingrained in our subconsciousness, the less interesting they become to the human psyche.
>>219896522There's a graphic novel called The Goddamned you might like
>>219896657Imagine feeding all the Dark Crystal universe comics PDFs to an AI model and telling it to make an animated series... someday we might get to have niche things... but not right now while it's in the slopiddy-slop era
>>219891130why would unionization matter? all of hollywood is unionized
>>219884224They were out there for the mainstream but in-line with fantasy writing and illustration of the time. Brian Froud was one of the more popular of the fairy artists but if you went to any art fair or RenFair in the 80s you'd see tons of similar works.Also you read any of the 70s/80s fantasy books that weren't specifically copying Lord of the Rings and they very much had "Aging stoned hippie" vibes to them. Myth Adventures, the Xanth novels, Spellsinger, The Warlock In Spite of Himself. All of it has heavy "I told the missus I'd put the pot away" vibes.
>>219884609Warhammer was doing the same thing because looking at a clusterfuck of units on a screen is pretty much the same as looking at a 40man blob of models on a table from three feet away.
>>219885085Would be better if it didn't fall into the haram trap (and readers not succumbing to talk about which waifu he will end up with). Also how about coming up with some names instead of everyone being job titles.
>>219884689>>219884738The old art consisted of the artist getting some friends or personal photos together to pose in position while they sketched in the designs and then later filled in the fantastical elements while painting. The modern ones are cartoon characters with the initial poses traced from a book of poses and no connection to the real at any point.I have Larry Elmore's coffee table book and its really interesting, because he not only talks about the art process, but organizes the works chronologically and talks about the process of going from a crappy visual design graduate to learning how to be a real artist and learning how to light a scene. Compare the blue and brown shadows in the first picture and the mix of colors used for metals to the bottom picture just designating a shadow and bucket filling with black. The sorceress chick is summoning rainbow lights and somehow they're not impacting anyone standing next to her, everyone looks lit by a spotlight directly overhead.
>>219890484Beastmaster is remembered for being constantly overplayed on HBO in the 90s. And for having even less to do with its source novel than Starship Troopers.
>>219887572There was that one dark fantasy comic from the 80s or early 90s with a race similar to the movie Gelflings but with button eyes. Included a lot of nude scenes
>>219898090>Gelflings>Included a lot of nude scenesYou have my interest
>>219884068Unironically>>219891946You have to understand that making a movie of that magnitude requires a lot of PEOPLE, INFRASTRUCTURE and LOGISTICS. Hollywood 40 years ago had it all. Entire Los Angeles was full of businesses doing practical effects, miniatures, puppetering, matte painting, costumes, sets-for-rent, stop motion, latex masks and dolls, etc. Thousands of people with experience, hundreds of companies with know-how. Because there was a demand for it. And because there was so much of that infrastructure in Hollywood, studios constantly made cool movies with available resources. Today there is none of it. People retired or died, businesses closed or went bankrupt. CGI made everything obsolete. Nobody will run a company specializing in practical effects just for the chance of getting maybe 1 contract per decade. And since nobody runs such companies, nobody new learns this craft. It becomes literally lost technology. That's why Netflix Dark Crystal was so expensive ($100 million) and got canned after being a massive flop. They had to re-invent everything and the budget ballooned.
>>219898149They weren't Gelflings, but they looked very similat to the movie version, only with button eyes
The Jen puppet had a sculpted penis
>>219898398Sounds familiar... if you have any more clues try searching on 8muses
>>219898090>>219898398Well don't leave me hangingSauce me up senpai
>>219884103It was generic wokeslop right out of the gate
>>219896657>dark crystal series>greatKindly return to TikTok or Reddit, thank you
>>219898398Elfquest? They didn't have button eyes
>>219898153>You have to understand that making a movie of that magnitude requires a lot of PEOPLE, INFRASTRUCTURE and LOGISTICSBitch, you're comparing it to the moon landings.
>>219898398Was it an older German or French comic?
>>219898819except dark crystal and labrynth are better movies than the moon landing hoax
>>219896872AI is only going to make worse sloppa.
What are everyone's expectations for the Labyrinth sequel? I wish would could have had the era of Gen X and Millennial nostalgia earlier. EG if we could have had a Labyrinth sequel with an adult Sarah in 2002 with Bowie still alive and young enough to be Jareth. Now I think it's going to be a total disaster. Sam Smith as Jareth and Zendaya as Sarah's daughter.
>>219899225No Jim, no David, no Jennifer, no interest.
