Legally, the proof that the public requires cannot be released. Is this lone pic convincing enough?
They're in swimming trunks. They're at a pool locker room.
>>219920095>Doesn't it just FEEL like there was a crime committed?Fuck it, yeah lets just bring back bills of attainder.
Just a grown man hanging out with a half naked child. Nothing weird at all.
>>219920095A great bunch of lads, having a grand old time.
>>219920095>>219920187On God this nigga is in hell. How is that not disgusting to a grown ass man? Oh wait because men are filth.
>>219920187Is his nose and arms trotting?
>>219920187I remember being shirtless a lot as a kid. I feel like anyone who grew up in the last 100 years can find a photo from growing up that has this vibe out of context
>>219920545Yeah zoomers don't realize that especially pre90s guys used to just go shirtless all the time and often wore those really short shorts you in 70s photos all the time
>surrounds himself with little boys>admits to sleeping with them>continues having inappropriate relationships with young boys even after it becomes a scandal for him and ruins his image>never has any credible romantic relationships with adults>accused repeatedly of misconduct by young boys that all fit a similar "type"I won't say that I know for sure that he did it, but I think it's hard for any honest person to look at all of that and not think something was up
>>219920095>>219920187>>219921205A man can spend time with kids without being a pedophile, if anything you're a pedo for assuming it's something sexual.
No.
>>219921259>A man can spend time with kids without being a pedophileSure. Spending a huge amount of time with kids he has no relation with, taking them on tours and vacations with him, sleeping with him, and continuing to engage in this behavior after it completely decimated his reputation are things that are very outside of what I'd consider normal though.
>>219921259he gave them wine and admitted it. He should go to prison for that alone but he paid and bribed his way out it
>>219921364In Europe kids drink wine all the time
>>219921420cool. in america it's illegal to booze up kids especially if you're trying to sleep with them.
>>219921205>never has any credible romantic relationships with adultshe was married twice.
>>219921314yes, he was a weirdo that liked hanging out with kids. Everybody knew that. And there's going to be pictures of him hanging out with kids. None of that is proof he molested them though.
>>219921420well he should have moved to France, if he wanted to rape kids, like Roman Polanski
>>219921539neither wife claims they had any kind of real relationship with him. lisa marie claims they basically only ever talked on the phone.>>219921577I left space for the possibility that he was just an extreme weirdo and not a pedophile, I just think when any honest person looks at the totality of the evidence it's hard to imagine what would motivate a person to do what he did besides sexual compulsion. it ruined his career and life and yet he continued to pursue it, few impulses are powerful enough to do this to a person.>liked hanging out with kidshe did not like hanging out with "kids," he had an extremely specific type: young white boys between 8 and 12, and he mysteriously seemed to lose interest in them when they got much older than that. he basically he never hung out with girls or even boys of non-white races unless they were friends or family of his actual target.
>>219920187Wheres the abuse? Also this just proves he did have vitiligo lmao
>>219921539Lisa Marie literally started talking to him to convince him to stop molesting boys and go to rehab. He probably had to marry her just to gain Spousal privileged so she couldnt testify about their conversations.
>>219921701he said so himself he never had a childhood due to his music career so it explains a lot of his wanting to be friends with kids and such. >he had an extremely specific type: young white boys between 8 and 12well he turned himself white so he obviously had some sort of favoritism toward white people in general. Maybe he didn't like being a teenager so that's why he likes kids younger than that to be friends with.
>>219921784Spousal privilege doesn't cover crimes that happened before marriage.
>>219921784>She just started talking to him because he was a pedophile! And then she married him because of it!This is less believable than him not being one.
>>219921784The way OP just starts making shit like the above out of nowhere shows how fucking retarded they are.
>>219921825>he said so himself he never had a childhood due to his music career so it explains a lot of his wanting to be friends with kids and such. he had to say something, I don't find this terribly credible especially since this isn't a phenomenon one sees a lot despite there being tons of child stars who started working at a young age and missed out on being kids, especially in his day.>well he turned himself whiteI thought he had vitilgo?
>>219921920Does vitilgo also change your facial structure to that of a white person?
>>219922115He looks hapa
>>219922115most of the MJ defenders I've seen on this board genuinely attempt to claim he wasn't addicted to plastic surgery, so it was strange to see someone acknowledge this compulsion in an attempt to defend him
>>219922115Him getting plastic surgery to look like a young white dude when young white dudes are what he was attracted to is not a coincidence
>>219922181>>219922268my point was I was responding to the guy saying he only had friends who were white boys, and I was saying he obviously wished he was white himself hence his preference for white people and him turning white through plastic surgery.
>>219922327Yeah and "young white dude" being his male beauty standard aligns with what he was attracted to.
>>219922181Literally noones ever said that in any of the threads you fucking freak why do you make up the most stupidiest shit lmao
>>219921701That isn't true. He had a high profile friendship with Emmanuel Lewis and I also remember he had various children of different races, ages and genders in his Neverland footage vids.
>>219922552>He had a high profile friendship with Emmanuel LewisHis "high profile" friendships were a bit different and he was clearly smart enough not to victimize kids like him or McCauley Culkin who would have the power to get a lot of attention if things went bad.> I also remember he had various children of different races, ages and genders in his Neverland footage vids.He frequently had friends and family of his victims around. This wasn't the same group of kids that slept in bed with him and went on tour/vacations with him, that's what I'm talking about.
>>219922635America in the early 90's was very white so they would make up the majority of his friends.
>>219922845were there less girls in the 90s too?
>>219922893why would be be friends with little girls? Men and women are barely friends as adults.
>>219923009I'm just begging the question. Again as I already said above I think it's possible he wasn't a molester, but I'd give it 85/15 odds that he was. I haven't seen a theory for why he behaved like he did from his defenders that I find very credible, whereas him being a pedophile explains almost everything. It's certainly not enough evidence to convict anyone, but I think it's the likely explanation.
>>219923061Nta but being a weirdo with a poor sense of boundaries combined with a possible sexual attraction to children doesn't mean you're a serial predator. The media described him as the latter, not the former. Yes, it's suspect, and where there's smoke there's fire, but if he was what they described him to be then I'm confident the justice department would've dug up something that would put him under the jailhouse.
>>219923061I mean, it's basically a toss-up at this point whether he was an actual pedo or not and I don't think we'll ever really know the truth. I lean toward him being innocent and he was just a weirdo. Some people just really like being around kids in a non-sexual way and he was probably one of those people. The parent of the accuser was also bragging about getting a pay-out and he got 20 million for it, so there's obvious incentive to lie. Especially when you see how many lawsuits happen nowadays surrounding sexual assault with no physical evidence. The guy was in money trouble and ended up killing himself shortly after Michael died.
>>219920095>friends act like you're a stranger>business connections are cut off>the media hide in your bushes for an unflattering photo of your skin condition>*does*>everyone says they always admired you and they'll miss you>the same media conglomerates that called you "wacko" now play your songs on repeatWhy would anyone ever want to be famous?
>>219920187>shirtless=half nakedthe power of words
>>219921259>man has multiple pictures of himself fondling half naked kids>a-ackshually you're the pedo for seeing something wrong with thatKek, you're such a deluded and braindead moron. You should feel embarrassed for being so retarded.
>>219920545Zoomers are fat spic mutts with no hint of athleticism in them. If they dropped dead in public they'd come back to life just to pull their shirt down before dying again.
>>219921920the "Inner Child" is literally a symptom for most of child abuse victims.
>>219922115he also had another sickness that was melting his cartilages nose specifically. + he vertigo was so severe that he had option and going full white was easier then restoring his black skin.
>>219923480Sickness or heavy cocaine use?
>>219923496point is he had damage that needed to be restored its not just fascion choice
>>219920187>>219920095why was he obsessed with white kids? all his songs are about racial harmony but he just diddles white kids
>>219920095you do your people hate MJ so much?
>>219920095MJ was many weird, socially-questionable things in his time, but he was not gay.
>>219923564Gay men generally prefer whites, or sometimes Asians.
>>219923570We want what's worst for everyone. We're just plain evil.
>>219920095one of those kids looks exactly like me as a child, now I'm worried I got bummed by Jacko and repressed it
>>219923627Shit, I think I'm in that photo too
>>219923480sounds like a bs excuse. He clearly had insecurity issues and probably wanted to be white to feel better about himself.
>>219921314He was a manchild that had to spend his actual childhood slaving away for the music industry. No different from Notch deciding to indulge in living in a candy shop the moment he made it big.
>>219923627>>219923660I'm in that photo and so's my wife
>>219920095https://youtu.be/qok5deOiOts?si=osJfh_8E2GJv_HN6Footage of the sleepovers you sexualise. Notice how theres all other adults with them.
>>219923627This is literally how lefties think 24/7
>>219923737>being a goofy manchild with shamelessly childish hobbies is exactly the same as hanging out and sleeping with actual childrendishonest argument
>he slept with little boys because of LE JEWSWhat causes this reaction?
>dead pedo popstar bad>orange pedo président good
>>219924191the 4chan hate heirarchy is gays > blacks > women > pedos > jews, so if a gay black pedo still punches down at the jews we are honor bound to defend him
>>219924112>of the sleepovers YOU sexualiseWhy do you retards talk like this, lmao. You sound so disingenuous and moronic.
>>219924230>jews that lowLolLmao
>>219924241>hit with proof of innocence >cant retort>"LE LE LE BUZZWORDS"Everytime. Seriously though, were you raped as a kid or something? Why do you care whether MJ did or not? You're not going to do anything about it so..?
>>219924279it's the bottom retard
>>219920187>>219920451>>219920517>>219920545>>219923564Literally a fake image.If it was so blatantly obvious that he was a pedo, then why does 'evidence' like this need to be faked?
>>219924372the existence of fake pictures of him with children does not prove that he was not a pedo, for all we know you posted the other one to poison the well yourself
>>219924526>point out image was fake>actually some 4d chess to 'poison the well'wut?
>>219924112>kids are talking through the entire story, not giving a shitThey are totally just there for the free blowjobs from Mike
>>219924526yet no proof he is one is enough to condemn him
>>219924626enough to charge him in a California court, which still isnt enough to convict a celebrity there, who can buy their way out of it
It's estimated that MJ paid as much as $200 million dollars in out-of-court settlements to silence various accusers and families BTW, totally normal stuff.
>>219924722>estimated stopped reading there
>>219924655>still isnt enough to convict a celebrity there, who can buy their way out of itHe had Thomas W. Sneddon, the DA from 1983 to 2007 against him, with all the money of California at his disposal and full media basis, yet MJ still got through the case under estimate.At this point it's willful ignorance to believe 2004 CNN headlines.
>>219924722civil trials are not the same as criminal trials as the burden of proof is much lower. Defendants are at a disadvantage, especially if they are rich because juries will always side with a poor person vs a rich person because they hate rich people. So settling is always better.
>>219924869There's no burden of proof at all if you just pay a family under the table to keep quiet.
>>219924722>pay outsNot only did the make sense at the time>just pay this off and move on. You can make this money back by just tacking on a single show at the end of the tourBut MJ was exonerated on those pay outs as well as California allows 'prior bad acts.' Basically, in California you can bring up previous examples to support your current case.So those payouts were actually brought up in the 2005 trial and were shot through in an instant. The 2005 trial didn't just exonerate MJ for 2005 allegations, but it cleared him for basically all previous allegations as well.
>>219924884that's basically my point. You can just publicly accuse someone of something without proof and ruin them. So the rich person is at a disadvantage which is why they settle.
>>219920095I can understand people saying there was never enough evidence to convict him of anything but the delusional fans who act like it wasn’t weird as fuck seem insane
>>219924953>the delusional fans who act like it wasn’t weird as fuck seem insaneThink you'd be surprised. Literally everyone, fans included, admit he had issues. That's never been up to debate, but being weird doesn't mean you fuck kids.
If he happened to do anything sexual with young boys it definitely would not have been violent or nonconsensual. I don't understand why it's so hard for normies to grasp this. Yeah he was weird as hell but notice that the parents never had a problem leaving their sons alone until there was money to make from it.We literally have epstein murdered in prison and his files buried by the president of the united states but you retards want to drag one of the most pure celebrities through the mud and for what?
>>219924953It's some combination of trolls who knows he's guilty having some fun and people who legitimately cannot fathom the idea that someone who put the word "kike" in a song one time wasn't set up by the jews.
>>219924991No I’ve definitely seen people saying his sleepovers with random little boys were cute and wholesome and show that he was still a kid at heart
>>219925006>If he happened to do anything sexual with young boys it definitely would not have been violent or nonconsensualI don't think anyone claims it was violent, but he clearly coerced them into it using standard grooming methods.>notice that the parents never had a problem leaving their sons alone until there was money to make from it.He can be an abuser and the parents can also be neglectful and greedy and trying to get a payout from the situation, both of those things can be true at the same time.
>>219925033At this point you're just arguing about what you may or may not have seen on twitter. Not much of an argument.
>>219921205>accused repeatedly of misconduct by young boys that all fit a similar "type"This one makes it obvious he was a pedoMJ barely hung around any fat kids or girls. it was usually skinny white boys 90% of the time. Very few of them were "poor" either despite MJ claiming he was helping the children, the Chandler family was rich.
>>219924722>stuff.Stopped reading there.
All of the pedophilia accusations happened around the time he became critical of a certain tribe
>>219924722to be honest I'd happily let MJ bum me for $200 mill
>>219925173>the Chandler family was rich.no, the parents were divorced and the dad was in a lot of fiancial trouble. He was a dentist so he made good money but was behind on child support.
>>219925094>both of those things can be true at the same timeThat encapsulates the MJ situation broadly. MJ was obviously a broken messed up man but his music brought a lot of hope to the world that you don't get anymore. Half the sycophants who watched Neverland would burn down his entire discography because nobody wants to wrestle with the idea that good can come from bad and vise versa.
>>219920095Look, I'm just going to say it. MJ deserved them kids.
>>219920545Yeah sure, but most of those photos involve my dad, my mom, my siblings or family gatherings. I would raise an eyebrow if I had a shirtless photo as a kid with some random stranger and even more so if that stranger was a public figure.
>>219925103>Literally everyone admits he had issues How is what I said not a perfectly fair response to this
>>219925241He met jordan chandler at his step dad's car dealership. jordan wasn't a poor kid.
>>219924372It's funny how badly shooped >>219920187 is and yet most people itt fell for it.
>>219925215Not true. It's the other way around. The jewish accusation came after facing a string of lawyers explaining the only way to shut up his victims was big pay offs or they would let their jew lawyers loose on him.
>>219925515>The police also began an investigation into Evan Chandler for extortion, finding that he was $68,400 behind in his child support payments despite being well-paid as a dentist.Maybe his step-dad was fine, but his bio-dad was the one who set everything up and was struggling financially.
>>219925396Why? His music was garbage and is a time capsule of how marketing and music videos can captivate a population.
>>219925672>His music was garbageretardedest take itt
>>219925672based>>219925694cringe
>>219925672For anyone who likes R&B Michael Jackson is inarguably great.
>>219920095He didn't do it; fk ju media but specifically SONY had it in for him.
MJ fired a guy, some kind of manager, because he showed MJ gay porn he was directing. MJ fired him after that and the dude tried to sue him. Theres deposotion footage of MJ about it.
https://youtu.be/JHIKe5Z3SpQ?si=McAxDPvSiOb3yGxj
>>219926413Makes sense. MJ didn't like to diddle kids, but he did genuinely want the best for kids, which meant that people could get close to MJ who told him they also wanted the best for kids. The latter includes people who just want to fuck kids.Preds go where the prey at.
>>219920095this picture was taken at a public swimming pool where fans met Michael.My dad was there toomichael was autistic and weirdbut he was not a pedo.bro was just socially retarded.
>>219924526>does not prove that he was not a pedoHe doesn't need to prove anyone he isn' YOU need to prove he is. Why is it so hard to get?
>>219924848https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHWpLfZzGU0
>>219925094>I don't think>but he clearly coerced How about you go fuck yourself with your imaginary bs?
>>219922115he looks asian or latinxnot whitefuck youand fuck jewsmichael was innocent
>>219920095Proof of OP being a faggot?
>>219926541He was shirtless in public swimming pool! with shirtless kids! PEDO!
>>219920095You're on 4chan, Jethro. You don't have to be sneaky with your racism here.
There's video of Elvis tonguing teen girls. No one seriously gives a shit.
okay guys, first time I am talking about this on the internet.I have been to Neverland and I have also met Michael Jackson.I was 7???I'm not a celebrity but my dad had a couple celebrity friends,one thing led to another dad's friend got invited to Neverland and he invited us all.Me , my sister and 2 of my cousins, we all went to Neverland and stayed there for 2 days.Michael did nothing sexual or bad to any of us. He also had a guest room where we all slept.My best memory of that time was waking up at 5 a.m and Michael said he has a new arcade machine. It was a Marvel Vs Capcom. Played the hell out of that game for about 3 hours. He was really cheerful.Looking back at those memories, he was very autistic and lonely, but he was not a bad person, at least in my experience.My dad actually signed an NDA back then, but who cares, I didn't sign shit.
