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>Mark I had an abortion I'm such a fucking retard
>Eve I'm sorry I did this to you. I love you
yeee clap clap clap everybody this is good news abortion is a good thing now we can finally be bees- I mean pro-choice and allow women only to choose and ignore the appeal of the future father
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>>219943352
>im sorry you aborted our baby
>i shouldve been here with you
>instead of literally saving our world and galaxy
>also remember the totally unnecessary filler episode where we glorified Satan and said God doesnt exist
>wow that was funny
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>>219943352
Mark, I murdered our child for convenience and now I feel bad.
Woman moment.
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I will fight monsters and put my life on the line but change a diaper? That's way too much right now.
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>>219943352
>super nazis
this episode was just an excuse to drop the act and go full woke mode
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>>219943352
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>A lull in the conversation with God after I die.
>So uh... women, huh? What's the story with that, Lord?
>Adam looked too happy.
>Fair. Fair.
>...
>Did they have to be retarded?
>Yep.
>...
>Why?
>Power balance. Can't be fun to look at, desirable, and highly competent. Something had to give. You want to bang ugly women, as long as they can match you untellectually?
>No, that sounds gay.
>Exactly.
>Praise be to You, wise God.
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>>219943492
10-30% pregnancies end with miscarriage, which is more than induced abortions. You live in a fucked up world.
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>>219943547
And more people die from natural causes and accidents than homicide. Doesn't reduce the gravity of murder.
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>>219943547
If I induce a miscarriage without a woman's consent, did I kill her child?
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>>219943352
Anissa would never
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>>219943567
People go to jail for murder because of that.
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>>219943567
No, it kills a fetus.
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To play devil's advocate, maybe she was looking at statistics of fatherless blacks and panicked that her viltrumite baby would become a supervillain.
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>>219943636
A fetus is a child. If I kill an adolescent, it's not less of a murder because I used a more scientific sounding word.
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He would have liked /tv/.
OVER ONE THIRD OF OUR GENERATION HAS BEEN ABORTED. END THE KILLING NOW!
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>>219943352
Abortion rules.
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>>219943352
It’s a show for Redditors like (You) what do you expect?
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>>219943574
>mark where the fuck have you been?
>the humans wanted me to terminate our pregnancy how ridiculous
>I had to break the oath of not killing humans but honestly this "Goldberg" doctor didn't seem one
>WHAT? these mothers enjoy the killing of their kin in the womb?
>how do they not see the joy of growing a warrior inside of them? I have one right now and it's kicking
>Mark why don't you listen? leave the inferior human bitchr girlfriend of yours and join me into raising a powerful warrior
>Mark I want to get pregnant again and if you don't comply I will break your bones even your dick if you don't comply this time
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>>219943492
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>>219943567
Yes
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>>219943352
They really did tiptoe around this one, making sure 0 of the blame was on Eve and all of it was on Mark. "I got you pregnant and I wasn't here", he didn't even know she was pregnant lol.
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>>219943547
Everyone dies. I guess that means murder isn’t so bad right?
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>>219943700
>mark where the fuck have you been?
a gay bar, I go there to meet other homosexuals
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>>219943657
It's not. Not in the first trimester. If fetus is a child why don't they require funerals after early pregnancy loss?
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>>219943738
If that's what you're after you don't even need to look outside this thread.
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>>219943700
Baby making sex with Anissa until my body gives out from exhaustion and I pass out
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>>219943444
How were the Viltrumites not super nazis?
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>>219943700
>Implying a warrior society like hers would be against abortion
If they detected weakness or abnormal mutations on the baby then it will get aborted
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>>219943492
Is that what passes for scholarly commentary among Zoomers? Just ask an LLM to generate some text?
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>>219943657
Anon, don't get baited into answering this retard. The bait couldn't be worse.
>>219943744
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>>219943782
Fair enough. I'll respond to (you). Pro-aborts are fucking retarded. "It's not a human until it passes a completely arbitrary amount of time without being killed because uh.... funerary customs!"
What even causes this absolute retardation? Outsourcing values and critical thinking to the group, or a refusal to admit that they're wrong about things?
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>>219943500
Imagine caring so much even though you literally died without ever fucking a female. Why is that the thing you'd ask a deity in a moment of jocular familiarity?
Why not ask him why he didn't tell us how to cultivate penicillin from bread mold three thousand years earlier. Or why he gave children cancer. Just as the most superficial, obvious things.
Because the alternative is the brutal confrontation with the cold hard reality that you're an evolutionary dead end? That the market of virtue has spoken and you are worthless?
Ok. Well. Go cope and whatever.
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>>219943781
Would you like me to write an essay you wont read?
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>>219943838
>What even causes this absolute retardation?
Unironically they're stupid, anon. Think of how dumb the average person is. Then realize 50% of them are statistically dumber than that. There you have leftists.
Also as a note, I don't believe stupidity is the opposite of intelligence, I think it's a different trait entirely. A person can be highly intelligent, but also stupid as shit. So don't let IQ confuse my meaning. This is all about stupidity.
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>>219943863
>Imagine caring so much even though you literally died without ever fucking a female.
I'm married and have two sons. You picked a bad opening statement, because now I'm not reading the rest of what you wrote. GG, no re.
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>>219943838
It makes sense to me. If nature kills up to 30% of early fetused then why should I care if women also do it intentionally? If you're religious then it seems like even your god doesn't care much about those children and there's no reason to be anti-abortion if you aren't religious. I guess you might be also an incel who hates women for having sex, but that's not a good pro-life argument.
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>>219943944
Lmao you're a fucking retard.
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>>219943762
they're not German National Socialists, therefore they're not Nazis
it's that simple
let's not dilute terms until they're meaningless

you could argue they're somehow still broader National Socialists, as distinct from Nazis, but National Socialists are inherently racial collectivists, whereas Viltrumites are special collectivists, inclusive of their distinct races
if you mean to argue they're super Nazis by virtue of their special consciousness, then anybody thinking humans should unite and work together towards their common goal are also Nazis, but by that logic, Communists, Globalists, Liberals, and Anarchists are also Nazis too, so your argument would fall apart into nonsensicality
at best, you could call them Imperialists, because that's what they are, but 'Nazis' doesn't make sense unless you twist the word until it means nothing save 'bad guys at odds with my suicidal Neomarxian values'
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>>219943574
>>219943700
Anissa's pussy stinks so much she has to rape young boys to get any dick.
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>>219943969
That's the denotation of the word "Nazi"
Modern leftists operate exclusively on the connotation of words. "Nazi" taken here and in every other modern leftist context to mean, "Big meanie".
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It's OK guys, Eve gets summoned to in-universe hell next season because of the abortion.
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>>219943967
No, I think this is pretty logical.
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>>219944010
You would think that. Because you are a retard.
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>>219943657
A fetus is not a child. It's a fetus. You're the one misusing language, and that stupidity is what's confusing you. You've been hijacked and manipulated for political ends because you fundamentally don't know how language works. That's how stupid you are. Everyone around you is constantly annoyed.
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>>219944000
I'm aware, hence me taking the time to point out that their reframing of the word is at odds with sense and meaning
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>>219943944
People like you are the reason mockery was invented as an alternative to deliberation and dialogue. Such an idiot with thoughts unworthy of even entertaining, you become, yourself, entertainment for the rest of us.
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>>219944020
Funnily enough, you are the one misusing language to hide the fact you're killing a child.
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>>219944020
Fetus - Latin
Meaning: Offspring

Retard - English
Meaning: A person with mental retardation
It is a child. You are a retard.
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>>219944020
>You've been hijacked and manipulated for political ends because you fundamentally don't know how language works. That's how stupid you are. Everyone around you is constantly annoyed.
Every accusation, a confession. Self-awareness is all it would take. Heartbreaking.
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>>219944041
The thing is that they don't care about being at odds with sense and meaning. They don't care about truth, they don't care about logic, they don't care about righteousness. They care about being perceived always, and at all times as virtuous, especially by themselves, and that means never, ever, ever admitting they were wrong about matters of moral worth. If once they believed abortion is a matter of woman's rights, so it shall be until they die, regardless of truth or logical consistency.
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Realistically how would /tv/ if they found their wife or girlfriend aborted their child without their knowledge?
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>>219944169
>the thing is
why are you making the assumption I'm not familiar with the far left?
or do you feel it just needs to be said, and you're essentially talking at me, rather than to me?
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>>219943352
based, cry more
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>>219944221
Most people here lack empathy, or maybe they're just edgy and pretend to be right wing nuts.
And no, they don't care about fetuses, they just hate women.
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>>219944000
the problem is that ameriretards, the ones who never experienced war with nazi germany, have no idea about nazis and call each other nazi as a random political slur, since political wars is all amerimutts can think about. For european who suffered from nazi occupation it's hilarous when amerifaggots call each other nazi over some mild political stuff, because if there were actual nazis, people would die in drower just for a single twitter post, just like just a gossip about hiding a jew would cause entire house with several families to get executed on spot. They have it THIS easyfor them

viltrumites are not nazis. They're your usual empire on a space level. Every human empire did a conquest to expand and get slave labour to fuel their empire. Viltrumites are exactly like any of the 9999 fictional galactic evil empires that conquer and enslave to expand their power. Diffirence is that instead of massive military, they're mostly one man armies
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>>219944370
Anyone who spends five minutes talking to a woman hates women after that.
I've been married for twenty years, with kids.
I still can't stand talking to her for more than a couple minutes.
Women are fucking retarded. I didn't marry her because I loved her. I married her because I understood how to keep her under control.
She's still retarded, but you can focus their retardation.
2-3 minutes is about as long as you should tolerate their retarded yammering. After that, you just walk away and ignore them.
They're not going to say anything intelligent, you just put up with their mouth noises long enough to make them think you listened and then just do what you were going to do anyway.
They'll bitch later, but they were going to bitch even if you did what they wanted.
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>>219943492
Most of these are brown people so good
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>>219944221
Most normal people would end the relationship at that point. It's a severe violation of trust if nothing else.
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>>219944370
The fact you can't envision a mind other than your own is telling.
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>>219944589
Americans do have it better and don't you ever forget it esl lmao
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>>219944684
yeach, brownoid "americans" calling each other nazi when some II world war vets are still alive, the ones who fought actual nazis and encoutnered results of their work
prefer to be a filthy ESL than this type of americunt calling each other nazi because of some mean words on the internet
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>>219944589
That is just liberals.
They should be exterminated for being stupid.
Not because they are an actual threat, but just because they are too stupid to live.
If they were not handed food to eat, they would die of starvation.
Because they are too stupid to work to earn money to buy food.
Even the ones smart enough to work and earn money eat trash food, and then die because they don't eat anything approaching a balanced diet.
I mean, it takes a while, but they do die, they just have years of being stupid and fucking shit up before they die.
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>>219944714
As opposed to you getting arrested over twitter comments faggot.
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>>219944822
not britretard either, and as you said, filthy ESL so obviously not a brit
but im done with politics itt, if you're angry go and be a retard on /pol/, I only post about viltrum stuff
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Eve is such a shitty girl, literally worse than the woman that raped him.
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>>219944020
Foetus comes from the Latin world for 'to suckle', i.e. a suckling i.e. a newborn child.
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>>219944640
The amount of control women get with the baby is insane. My buddy has been fighting for custody for two years, she tried to give up the baby for adoption in secret. When that got canceled because he contested it, baby went back to her.

She also could have just aborted it and that would of been ok too. Kind of fucked
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>>219944221
instant divorce/break up, the relationship would be dead
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>>219944640
I doubt that. Most people would care more about their partner than an embryo.
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>>219943352
Isnt she literally omnipotent? Why get an abortion?
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the satanic kike needs baby blood for moloch
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>>219943352
Why do you guys even watch this shit? Yeah it's faggier than the comics but the comics were faggy too.
Read TWD comics, Invincible was the joke side project where Kirkman threw all his shit ideas while he wrote TWD kino.
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>>219943352
This might have been a huge shitstorm moment if not for the majority of viewers already mentally checked out because of the ugly character designs, poor animation, and already-shitty writing
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>>219945172
I find zombie apocalypses boring. Resident Evil is only interesting because of Umbrella corp as a villain, take out Umbrella corp from the setting and its just boring.
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>>219944277
Piggybacking on your observation as an expansion of your thought. It wasn't personal, it's just how conversations in a public forum can go sometimes.
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why are r***toids so easily triggered.. I mean "cortisol spiked" by cartoons?
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>>219945172
>TWD kino
I read it, but Kirkman makes ALL the characters have "rational" monologues explaining their POV, acknowledgement of the opposing side's POV, and it just goes on and on and none of it feels organic. Just like the Invincible show (and comics). The zombies aren't a serious threat. It's better to simply rewatch the first couple seasons of the show
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>>219945104
>embryo
>fetus
Do you get excommunicated from the left if you call it a baby, a child, or even a human? Because it's all those things by definition.
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>>219945427
It's usually an embryo, most women abort them before the 9th week.
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>>219945427
Do you call your sperm a half-child? A little haploid would-be baby?
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>>219943352
If he forgave his father for killing thousands of people and attempting to kill him he has to forgive her for killing one.
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>>219945019
This. In a just world I'd be able to press charges against her for premeditated murder of our child and send her to prison.
>t. I have an toddler and another on the way.
Either of them being killed would be an equal tragedy. They are my little boys.
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>>219943352
Mark is such a weak main character
the series is much better when is Nolan and Allen having silly adventures
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>>219945530
My sperms cells are my own DNA and not their own individual people. You know that, I know that. You draw a false comparison either because you are an evil person desperate for justification or a drooling imbecile hoping being on the side of women will afford you a crumb of pussy.
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>>219943352
>The guy will do the 180 on abortion the moment artificial wombs come online, because it will be his taxpayer money paying for them.
The perfect virtue signaling.
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>>219943352
Goddamn this board is so goddamn autistic. No wonder things like Avatar or Zack Snyder shit is so popular here with their heavy-handed messages and the subtly of a brick.
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>>219945558
Please don't mutilate your children's genitals. Don't listen to evil Jewish "doctors", all circumcision is genital mutilation.
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why didn't debbie holy fuck. everything about this show is mid.
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>>219945505
That's still a human child. "Embryo" only denotes the life cycle stage. You know it. I know it. Biology knows it.
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>>219945545
What he won't forgive is Robot who actually accomplished world peace and made everyone's lives objectively better while killing far fewer people than Nolan or Dino
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>>219945602
Happy to say I didn't and will not.
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>>219945593
They aren't individual, they can't survive outside of their mother's womb.
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>>219945634
Would it be ethical for a conjoined twin to get a separation surgery if it kills the other twin?
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>>219945634
My toddler will die if my wife and I leave the house for too long without him. Doesn't mean he's not an individual. Location doesn't dictate humanity.
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>>219945634
>They aren't individual
Their own unique DNA says otherwise. Why do you hate science?
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>>219944658
yeah, 4chan that used to troll sites with epilepsy inducing images, gives a fuck about children.
Nigger, at least be honest to yourself
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>>219945667
We are not talking here about toddlwrs, but about undeveloped fetuses.
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>>219945690
>pretending 4chan is a monolith.
You must be guilty of every crime 4chan has ever committed then, eh, you sick bastard? Lock this faggot up for life.
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Yes abortion is a good thing you fucking faggot
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>>219945699
We're talking about human children. Lifestyle stage is irrelevant.
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>>219945634
We're already at the point where a child born prematurely in week 23 can be saved in 90+% of cases, and the number of weeks is only ever going to keep going down.
That aside, a newborn is also incapable of surviving without constant and direct interference of its parents, yet nobody even remotely sane is advocating for post-birth abortions on those grounds.
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>>219945687
Yeah, like all those embryos killed because of spontaneous abortion. Women often don't even know they existed. Sad.
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>>219944612
>I'M NOT THE PROBLEM IT'S EVERYONE ELSE
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>>219945699
>We are not talking here about adults, but about undeveloped adolescents.
See how killing someone doesn't become okay just because they're in a less developed life stage?
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>>219945751
Miscarriage is sad, yes.
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>>219945712
>pretending 4chan is a monolith
Considering how much you fags start sperging about trannies every time you face any dissent, yes, you ARE a monolith.

>You must be guilty of every crime
You also are especially retarded. Which only proves that you are a bunch of nigger-wannabe hypocrites.
Your mother should have used a coat hanger, bro.
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>>219945777
>Brings up trannies out of nowhere.
Anon... are you pre-op or post-op?
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>>219945733
Yeah, I'm sure they will be saving 9 week old "children" anytime soon.
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>>219943352
>I thought you were dead, I wouldn't want to carry a reminder of you with me in that case.
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>>219945728
>Put your children on the altar and Moloch will bless you with a life of wealth and luxury!!!
Heeb.
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>>219945733
>90%
According to google it's 20-60% and it's quite likely these children will be retarded.
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>>219943352
Why are you retards even watching a show that blatantly roasts your ideology constantly?
Are you really so stupid that you let m-m-muh extreme violence and gore distract you from the fact that your ideology is given to the bad guys and the good guys are fucking radical progressives in your worldview?
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>soldier goes off to war to fight for the future of his descendants
>dumb bitch gf murders his child because lonely
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>>219945900
>killing children in the womb is good if they might be retarded
>Nazis are bad though, chud
Horseshoe theory undefeated.
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>>219945921
They're zoomers who don't know how to start a discussion about anything other than ragebait
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>>219943969
>>219944000
>>219944169
words don't have meanings, they have uses, and nazi has been used to mean more than just "member of a german political party that existed in the first half of the 20th century", by the left and right, for literal decades.
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Is abortion good if the baby's black? Someone tell me what to think.
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>>219945921
>Why are you retards even watching a show that blatantly roasts your ideology constantly?

>liberals burn Harry Potter book, try to get anything related related to JK Rowling canceled and openly wish for her death

>waaah why aren't you chuds more like us with media that disagrees with us?
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>>219945926
Many such cases, unfortunately. They'll also fuck pretty much anyone who looks their way after a month. Women are pretty evil.
>t. Marine
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So at what point is it not a clump of cells and a human being?
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>>219945933
Yes, it's good.
>Nazis were bad
Yes, but not because of their stance on abortion.
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Her baby daddy was on the other side of the universe. She had no way of knowing whether he was alive or dead. The only support she could actually get was from her chud troglodyte family. And she was so heartbroken over what she did that she got depressed and fat.

Also she absolutely supported and comforted Mark when he disclosed to her that he was raped by an alien. It's hard to call her abortion a mistake. She did what she believed she had to do and it broke her heart. She's not some whore aborting babies left and right. Absolute wife material.
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>>219945926
At least she didnt cheat yet
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>>219945970
Yes. It's even better when it's black.
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>>219945969
>words don't have meanings, they have uses
How fucking exploitative a person do you have to be to think this way? Logic, truth, and meaning have no definition beyond what I can use them for for personal gain.
Truly the defining characteristic between good and bad people on display here.
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>>219946014
yea it's not like Mark had a supportive family with a mother that took care of a child not hers or anything
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>>219945977
>book burning is JUST LIKE not watching a show you actively dislike
You don't have to live like this
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>>219946005
I would love for you to read deeper into what holding this belief implies for you. If you're capable of it, anyway kek.
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>>219945969
I don't think you understand just how bad what you're saying is.
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>>219946002
3 months.
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>>219946057
I haven't watched the show, and I only read the comic once, and it's been a few years. Wasn't Mark's mom in her self-destructive alcoholic phase at the time?

But either way, Mark did not have a supportive family. His dad publicly threatened to murder the entire human species then fled off-world to mate with bug people. When he came back, he absconded with his abused wife into outer space. Sam could not have reasonably expected Debbie to have taken up her probably super powered child.
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>>219945933
Pro choicers believe that it's better to be dead then to be poor or retarded and I'm the bad guy for suggesting that we exterminate vagrants and the mentally feeble
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>>219946055
words have nothing to do with logic or truth, they don't even exist absent humans. humans make up words and their usages. this is why dictionary definitions change and expand over time, to keep up with changing usages of words. this is introductory linguistics.
>>219946118
i don't think you understand how silly what you're saying is
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>>219946159
>Wasn't Mark's mom in her self-destructive alcoholic phase at the time?
no, she got over that by the time Oliver came around and was with Paul.
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>characters in a piece of media do something i dont like
>this means the writers approve of said action and heavily endorse it
i fucking hate you faggots so much. its these retards that have made tv sanitized slop
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>>219945755
You sound like a woman.
Or a jew.
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>>219946161
It's better to be killed before you became conscious than to be miserable your whole life, yeah.
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>>219946161
Kek.
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>>219945970
Abortion should be the choice in 99.9% of the time in black pregnancies.
The chance of a Clarence Thomas is low.
I apologize to the man, but his entire race has been a failure for thousands of years.
He understands, he married a white woman to try to make sure his kids were more human.
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>>219946195
Okay. Samantha was still looking at a future without Mark, and she figured she couldn't handle it. I think her reaction to her decision to abort illustrates her character. She didn't think of her baby as some thing she could just be rid of and move on from. It tore her up.
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>>219946223
>I'm depressed, so I want to kill kids about it
Fuck's sake dude. You're a retard.
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>>219946014
She got fat because she refused to use her powers.
She ate a LOT and that was what was keeping her powers working.
So once she stopped using her powers, she got chunky.
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>>219946161
>>219946223
I've got a compromise fellas. If consciousness is the issue, what if we say you're allowed to kill the homeless and mentally feeble, or anyone really, if you kill them in their sleep?
Boom. Done deal. Aisle successfully reached across.
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>>219946237
>how is the ho who ultimately slept with a stranger with no strings attached and didn't even insist on protection the problem?
actually it's the father of the ho who is the problem.
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>>219946223
>we have a moral duty to kill others in order to prevent misery or suffering
This line of thinking would turn any country into a bloodbath
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>>219943352
I'm sorry I wasn't there for you Eve I was in a coma after being disemboweled and then in another coma after having my eyes gouged out by aliens who would have killed everyone on Earth if I didn't stop them, I'm so sorry I did this to you
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>>219946352
Good point. If they're not conscious, and there's any sort of suffering on the horizon, it's better to just kill these people.
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>>219946281
she literally has magic powers to do whatever she wanted. She made fucking gold, it's not like she would be poor or anything, she could literally afford the best help.
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>>219946023
the people who like this pile of shit are in for a surprise
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>>219946386
Women are the real victims of war
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>>219946335
she wasn't using her powers because she was depressed out of a feeling of profound guilt from aborting her and Mark's child. She felt so bad about it that she cried her eyes out to him, apologizing to him.
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>>219946281
>my baby deserves to die because it HURTS MY FEELINGS
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>>219946370
Think leftists care?
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>>219943762
Please list all of the viltrumite's socialist policies, their opinions on earth slavs, earth gypsies, and earth jews, and their opinions on the nation state of germany.
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>>219946444
That is not at all what I said or what she said. She aborted her baby because she believed she would not be able to care for it, and she felt horrible about it.
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>>219946223
Anon, you might just be suicidal. By itself this is understandable, but projecting that on kids is reprehensible. I'm gonna advise you take your own medicine first, then we'll deliberate if your suicide solved anything and if it needs to be scaled en masses to children, okay?
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>>219943492
Cool it with the antisemitic posts
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>>219943352
Abortion is for assholes!
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>>219946496
ok, I'll put it in liberal terms.

Imagine you had a puppo doggorino, but you got too depressed to take care of it. Do you murder it or put it up for adoption?
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>>219946496
>I only put my child on the burning altar because I didn't think I could handle it.
>When Moloch blesses me with wealth, I'll be able to care for my future kids.
Time really is a flat circle.
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>>219946497
They aren't kids. They don't think, they don't care. Their brains aren't developed enough for this.
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>>219946551
Neither do you when you sleep, anon. Neither do infants. Neither do animals.
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>>219943762
How are they nazis at all? If anything they are Roman empire.
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>>219946547
Why Moloch, early loss pregnancy is very common. Is this also a form of sacrifice? Why your god allows this to happen?
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>>219943567
No, that's why it's ok to do this. It's just a clump of cells after all. If you accidentally push a pregnant woman down the stairs and the cells vanish, it's just science bro
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So how come when a man slips his pregnant gf an abortion pill it's murder, but if a woman goes to get an abortion it's healthcare? Like I thought it was a meaningless clump of cells or is it some schrodinger's fetus where a woman's opinion decides if it's a human or not?
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>>219946551
Should we euthanize the extremely mentally impaired? Like the barely sapient giga-vegetables that can't even exist without a feeding tube and army of specialists?
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>>219946608
>Bad things happen naturally, so we can do bad things intentionally
Anon, you're a retarded fag.
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>>219946632
Kill a pregnant woman and get charged with double homicide. The "personhood" of an unborn child cannot be predicated on whether or not the mother "desires" it.
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>>219946610
It shouldn't be considered a murder, certainly not if it's the first trimester.
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>>219946608
>But something bad can happen so murder is ok
Damn, look at Einstein here.
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>>219946632
>is it some schrodinger's fetus where a woman's opinion decides if it's a human or not?
It is exactly. And as a social standard, it's upheld entirely by abortionist women and the simps who hope to fuck them.
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>>219946658
>premeditated killing with base motive shouldn't be considered murder
k
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>>219946655
Yes, they are common. Why such terrible things happen? Pretty shitty world we live in.
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>>219943863
imagine sperging so much over a joke
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>>219946658
And if the woman wanted that baby she should be subject to the oppression of the person who took that from her against her will? You're a fucking monster.
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>>219946429
She stopped using her powers.
She doesn't know anything about how using them damages her baby, yet.
She only knows that they were fucking up, so she doesn't use them.
If you can fly, good. But if you randomly fall out of the sky, that shit is not reliable.
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>>219946695
It's not killing.

>>219946689
Seems like abortionist women rule the Western civilized world then.
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>>219946711
So are accidents where people die. Does this mean I get to kill people?
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The best of this show is already behind us. It's already 100x more preachy and feminine than the comic and even the comic was legitimately difficult to get through from this point forward. We have to watch mark-the-male-rape-victim go home to his fat wife and compliment her obesity over and over again in-between soi-infused monologues about girl power and turning the other cheek.
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>>219946536
I'm taking care of an 18 year old dog. He might be able to live for a few more years, but he needs my help to do anything. He is incontinent, and some days I have to feed him by hand. I'm focusing on giving him the best life he can have, and I am looking at putting him down in the coming weeks. He doesn't have a real quality of life anymore, and as much as I love him and as much as I hate to say it, his needs are interfering with my quality of life. A different owner might have had him put down years ago, but not me. I've kept him as he has declined.

A dog is not a human. My Smokey has static costs and static needs. A little human child has increasing needs of time, finance, and engagement. They are not the same. Your analogy does not hold.

You have to also consider the environment. Atom Eve lives in a world where abortions are very readily available and where other women will readily encourage her to girlboss it up and abort any pregnancy she may have. That is truly not what she did, though. I go back to my earlier statement of her character. Aborting her and Mark's baby broke her heart. She said as much, and she did not cheat. Even after she gave up on his life, she waited for him.
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>>219946725
I just said it shouldn't be treated as a murder, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished.
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>>219946744
>Seems like abortionist women rule the Western civilized world then.
Uh yeah. Where the fuck have you been?
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>>219946746
You can, but you live in a society and such behavior is punished by law. During a war you are allowed to kill your enemies.
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>>219946837
Anon, you're looking from logical consistency from a guy who's good with killing children. If it's nothing for him to rationalize something that egregious, why would he be unable to rationalize logic away? Don't fucking bother. Kill these people.
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>>219946023
That scene near the end where the dude Eve cucked Mark with comes back and makes another run at her in front of him was really, really weird. Like, Kirkman could have played it off like a strange alien interaction, but no, it was the bull coming back to rub it in Mark's face that he fucked his girl better than he can and makes her happier. I think Kirk wanted to show her turning him down like she's loyal now but no, I don't buy it. This bitch will run, not walk, back to him or some other dude the same week Mark goes off to do literally anything. She knows Mark will accept it and do nothing, like a closet cuck. Start the timer; that bitch belongs to the streets.
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>no response
what a fag
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>>219943352
So series have to directly convey a positive moral message? Fictional media has to obey your puritan standards?
Why the fuck is media criticism like this now
When did it become cool to pretend you cant seperate your particular beliefs from that of a fucking fictional character
When did we start expecting to only ever see good positive people doing wholesome things onscreen

Series have no moral responsibilities
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>>219947368
i will literally track you down and rape you
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Eve was always depicted as an unstable cunt and Mark a total bitch. Anissa raping him was honestly the wake-up call he needed.
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>>219947368
>What even is propaganda, guys?
>I am literally the verysmartest person I know
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>>219947459
kek.
I always find gender reversed rape so retarded.
even the most loyal monogamous man wouldn't fight the same way as Mark did, when a woman gets raped, it's not an act of pain because you can't make sex painful lol, but if it's a man raping a man then that hurts because forcing a cock into someone's asshole hurts like hell no matter the gender.

literally how can you represent normal sex as something painful?
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>>219947727
She beat the shit out of him. As he said later, he didn't think that her raping him warranted him to kill her.
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>>219947727
Explain this
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>>219943352
My father would take us to Blockbuster after a hard day of molestation and mowing lawns. The best part was bursting into the hyper air conditioned display room and smelling the distinctive air freshener they used to clean the place with.

We would always run to the video game aisles first. We'd get so excited we'd have to poop. Literally, we always had to use the bathroom while browsing.

But after deciding what game, we'd figure out what movies our Dad was looking at or what was interesting in the vast, vast library that was perpetually surrounded by a wall of hype of the month rentals up to the ceiling... an amazing movie looking down on you from every genre on every wall at all times.

The checkout was always fun. We'd nerd out, arguing about popcorn and candy. A bucket of popcorn or kettle corn and some buncha crunch to mix in while curling up on the couch to watch the hot topic rental of the month.....

Goddamn I miss it.
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>>219947727
Explaining the emotional impact of unwanted sexual intercourse to someone who views sex mechanistically or as an ontologically positive end in and of itself seems nearly impossible. I'll try anyway. Unwanted sex is unpleasant male or female because it denies us something fundamental that we take for granted, which is ownership and mastery over our own bodies. Maybe it doesn't feel physically painful, but psychologically it can be degrading and insulting to people who put more thought into sex than, "sex good because cocky go boing boing."
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>>219947914
she chased him down, bashed his face in, and had sex with him
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>>219947892
what
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>>219948085
he likes it when his dad rapes him (he is retarded)
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>>219944020
Hey so how come you get charged witch 2 counts of murder instead of one if you kill a pregnant woman?
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>>219945969
>words don't have meanings, they have uses
Average leftist IQ on display here.
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>>219948029
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>>219943781
I'm sorry its not a scholarly wikipedia article edited by transgirl_loves_bbc_69 you millenial faggot
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>>219943744
>>219946658
>the first trimester
I hope you don't actually think that there is a magical on/off switch that suddenly and magically changes the child from a heckin lump of cells into a person at the first trimester mark. The entire basis for your argument is completely arbitrary but you're treating it like some important law of the universe like a sub 90 IQ redditor.
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>>219948506
that's the thing, isn't it?
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>>219948029
>bashed his face in
Okay, that part probably hurt
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>>219948561
See
>>219946996
Logical consistency or objective correctness is not the goal for these people.
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>>219948590
really she did more than that. She slammed him down onto the earth from the sky.
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A portions are a good thing if you are not financially or mentally equipped to raise a child. Being someone’s mistake or their answer to purpose or fixing their shit relationship is no real upbringing. It’s Hell.
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>>219943744
They should
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>>219947099
it's weird because Mark is asian now too, they're going to piss off their woke fanbase
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>>219943744
>>219948709
my older brother had a full funeral when they had a miscarriage.
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>>219948668
>I'd rather be dead than have a difficult start.
No, anon, you wouldn't.
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>>219943744
>require funerals
funerals arent "required" at all, at any age.
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>>219948709
It's 20-30% of all pregnancies.
>>219948786
It depends on the week, most abortions happen when the embryo doesn't even resemble a human.
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>>219948668
>Being someone’s mistake or their answer to purpose or fixing their shit relationship is no real upbringing. It’s Hell.
My mom literally told me when I was 10 that she should have aborted me. She beat me and my siblings. We're all still glad we're alive and we have kids of our own. You're acting like bad situations should be considered absolute ends with no chance for improvement and your shortsightedness would have gotten me and my siblings killed if my mom had bought into it. Fuck you.
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Abortions are a horrible thing that should never be celebrated and cheered on the way feminists do, but under no circumstances should they be prohibited.
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>>219948987
that's the problem, the celebration of it makes regular people who would go "well it's a horrible thing but if it's necessary" go wait wtf is wrong with you people
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>>219948561
There actually is a difference. Embryo is much less developed than a fetus, it literally has a tail.
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>>219949020
Abortion is better than exposure. If you want to go full trad then re-introduce exposure.
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>>219948112
It made me feel loved.
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>>219949161
you deserve better
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>>219948987
Yeah, obviously it's an important medical procedure. The issue is people use it like Plan C of birth control, the killswitch, and act like that's not the most fucked-up thing society has tried to guilt you into supporting in ages. Yes, I'm the selfish asshole because I think industrial baby murder should maybe not be normalized.
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>>219945690
>used to
People grow up
Glownigger recruiters move on to "greener pastures" (discord and roblox)
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>>219949413
You're a retarded trumptard newfag. Don't even pretend you've been here before 2016.
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>>219949027
So maybe we need to perform an autopsy on the tiny carcass and inspect it for a tail? Then, if it still has its tail then you're in the clear, but if it's outgrown it's tail, THEN you've killed a human person being with a soul and a moral worth? (Humans have tails into adulthood BTW)
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>>219948987
>Abortions are a horrible thing...
>but under no circumstances should they be prohibited.
Why not? What sorts of things should be prohibited, if not the most horrible sorts?
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>>219944221
i guess it depends on the circumstances. in OP's case Mark was in space for months, possibly dead, so realistically Eve had no way to inform him. in most cases it's a breach of trust in a relationship to not at least let the guy know.
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>>219949539
>What sorts of things should be prohibited, if not the most horrible sorts?
The things that slutty women don't support. (I want them to fuck me, so I support the things they support, even if I find them immoral)
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A woman I used to see when I was 19 had lied to me and said she was on birth control. When she told me she was pregnant I was appalled that she had lied. Somehow she thought this would make me stay with her (I had been clear that my intention was never to be together with her).
She had an abortion after I clarified that we wouldn’t be a couple, but I felt terrible for months. She didn’t care and wondered why I was bothered by it.
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>>219950009
Such a woman should be removed from society. That's fucking disgusting.
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>>219947727
>it's not an act of pain because you can't make sex painful
Oh no you're retarded
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>>219950009
>She had an abortion after I clarified that we wouldn’t be a couple, but I felt terrible for months
Uh, yeah, anon, she intentionally made you into a father knowing it was against your wishes and then killed your child. What a fucking evil harpy. I'd normally say it takes two to tango and it's partially on you, but you were lied to, what the fuck could you even do aside assume she was lying without any proof (like a crazy person).
What she did to you would be a felony in a just society.
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>>219950070
>believes sex is pain
you are severely brainwashed for believing that sex causes any form of pain
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>>219944612
>I still can't stand talking to her for more than a couple minutes
>i have kids
More like she have kids, anon. You should do a dna test. Most likely she hates your guts but keeps you as the provider while she fucks her high school beta orbiter on the side
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>>219948934
Wouldn't that mean your mom is a better person than people who choose not to have kids? The more kids you have, the more good you are doing. Africans are much better people than Northern Europeans given their birth rates.
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Chuds wouldn't make such a huge fuss about abortion if they learned what the races that get abortions the most are.
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>>219950323
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/
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>>219950413
Anon, do you actually believe morality works as you're implying, or are you being a disingenuous faggot right now? She did wrong in beating us, but she could have done worse by killing us. For pur part, it's good to be alive. It's pretty simple.
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>>219950668
low effort baiting, argue or keep talking shit
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>>219950693
People who choose not to have kids are letting all their eggs and sperm go to waste. Why is this not the same as abortion?
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>>219950628
We do know. Niggers and liberals killing their offspring is still murder and to be condemned. Frankly, I think the best course of action is to deport them all to Africa. Niggers and liberals alike.
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>>219950732
Because they're their own cells and not a new human being, you twat.
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>>219950732
>I'm being a disingenuous faggot.
I know, anon.
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Imagine Dragon ball Z but with woke propaganda, calling the saiyans nazis, Z warriors defending earth but responding to governmental agencies and relationship dramas like cheating and abortions every two seconds. That's what Invincible is , why even bother watching this shit? The power scaling doesn't even make sense just like in dragon ball super
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>>219943378
>>219943352
chud media literacy is something else kek
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>>219950628
Chuds are fake Christians? Do tell.
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>>219950735
you fags cant even deport the mexicans already here lmao
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>>219950771
Who says life begins at conception? What if human life begins before conception? You're so wrapped up in modern Christian morality that you're unable to think 4th dimensionally.
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Men should be allowed to have a say in abortions
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>>219950818
idk sounds way more interesting than dragon ball at least
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>>219943352
So why didn't Mark tear Cecil's head off for keeping Conquest alive
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>>219950910
>Who says life begins at conception
98% of all fertility specialists and biologists on earth. Trust the science.
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>>219948548
Based
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>>219950963
>hey mark let's debrief
>mark starts to panic
>actually let's do that in a few days
debriefing would have killed him since it could have reminded mark he killed conquest.
then why he's so eager to hear how conquest turned his insides to spaghetti?
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>>219950985
Then explain how abortion is legal in the most scientifically advanced nations while murder is illegal. The numbers don't add up.
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>>219950985
Umm, actually chud, it's only 96% according to the Jacobs study. Checkmate.
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>>219950009
it's really weird how women can just not care and not treat people like human beings. Are they all psychopaths?
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>>219951150
>Then explain how abortion is legal in the most scientifically advanced nations while murder is illegal.
Because idiots like you advocate against scientific consensus. It's not hard to explain.
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>>219943762
Not Aryan
Not nationalist
Not socialist
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>>219951150
You are literally the smartest leftist I have ever seen.
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>>219950628
stonetoss already made a comic cheering for the murder of black babies
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>>219951220
Nah, I think the real reason is that life beginning at conception is not practical. Life beginning when the baby leaves the vagina is most practical.

Life beginning before conception is even less practical because you'd be forcing people to fuck all the time. We want adults to have maximum autonomy in order to produce resources. Part of that autonomy includes abortion.

Forcing pregnant people to have babies wouldn't be as disastrous as forcing people to fuck all the time, but it would still be disruptive to the economy.
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>>219950706
Go back to whatever shithole you came from retard. I'm not going to argue with a fucking invalid.
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>>219951150
>Well yeah, sure, the overwhelming majority of scientists say life begins at conception, but what does truth matter?
>the government has the final say.
And this is your brain on leftism. It does not matter what is true. It matters what you can get away with.
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>>219951352
>being retarded is when you make mental gymnastic to justify something as something that is not
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>>219951352
No, you fucking retard, when life begins is not dependent on human perspective. Life cannot begin before conception because it doesn't. Life doesn't begin after birth because it doesn't. Life begins at conception because it does.
The child begins growing and developing (a key attribute of living organisms, dead things don't do that) when it is conceived. Not before, and not after.
You are a retard if you think natural laws can be dictated by human decision making.
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>>219951417
>appealing to authority
This is your brain on... Christianity I guess?
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>>219951352
>Life beginning before conception is even less practical because you'd be forcing people to fuck all the time
Or maybe it's less practical because it makes no fucking sense and is retarded.
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>>219950628
i don't hate anybody i just don't like people destroying education and the criminal justice system to make everyone equal by making everything worse
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>>219951507
NTA but citing scientific consensus is not an appeal to authority. That's really dumb.
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>>219951352
I know niggas on crack that make more sense than you.
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>>219951478
If I go back in time and kill Hitler's parents before he was conceived, I've killed Hitler, have I not? Therefore, life can begin before conception.
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>>219951223
Nazis and germans aren't white, they're like italians. Just a variation of a shit skin. Americans are white - not whatever you are. Imagine thinking germans and the irish aren't subhuman the same way jews are. lmao.
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>>219951507
>appealing to authority
Aren't you the guy who just ignored science, instead deferring to the law? >>219951150
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>>219951537
It literally is an appeal to authority though. You're dumb.
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>>219951617
Not an appeal to authority. Exposing a contradiction.
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>>219951592
>>219951633
>>219951666
I can't tell who's a bigger retard. You, or the guy arguing with you in good faith.
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>>219951592
You literally cannot go back in time. Any logical causal flow based on it has to overcome that hurdle first.
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>>219951633
>>219951666
Scientific consensus is not fallacious merely for being an appeal to authority, provided the authority is relevant, credible, and the consensus is based on evidence. The scientific consensus of when life begins is all of those things and far less fallacious than citing extant laws. You're a retard, but I give you credit for trying.
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>>219946002
Well for that we have to ask the fundamental question, what is the inherent quality of a human that affords them human rights, including the right to live?

I don't think anyone actually believes the answer is as simple as just the cell being genetically human, as I've never encountered or heard of a person arguing amputations or even blood sampling should be forbidden on the grounds of killing human cells. I think most people would agree the distinguishing feature of humans that puts them above other life forms and affords them rights is their unqiue capacity conciousness and ability to think abstractly. We tend to value more the closer its capacity for thought is, in general. Even vegetables have acitvity in the brain stem, yet we mostly keep them alive out of sentiment for what they used to be rather than what they are and allow their euthanasia.

With that in mind, and the brain being the source of conciousness to the best of our knowledge, I'd argue abortion should be fine and run no risk of violating human rights before the nervous system had a chance to start developing at all, or at least before it has any capacity for activity. The neural plate starts developing in the 3rd week, electrical and basic brain activity begins in the 6th. We could reasonably put the limit at 5 weeks just to be on the safe side.
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>>219951982
>their unqiue capacity conciousness and ability to think abstractly
That removes niggers. I think you'd fit in very well among 18th century southerners and nazis. They agree it is not enough simply to be human to get human rights. You must also have other qualifiers.
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>>219943444
Using the word nazi to denote militarist racial supremacists is woke?
Struggle to think of what sort of pants-pissing kosherservative would get offended by that.
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>>219944221
I for myself would leave my wife.
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>>219950818
>invincible is the best hero on earth
>some random black guy can take care of all of the shit he needed to do so he can go to space
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>>219951982
>I don't think anyone actually believes the answer is as simple as just the cell being genetically human
Yeah,, I could see how you could believe that if you ignore everyone arguing exactly that point and pretend reality is how you already see things in your mind. It's gay and cowardly, but I can see it.
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>>219947401
Keep me updated
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>>219951982
>I've never encountered or heard of a person arguing amputations or even blood sampling should be forbidden on the grounds of killing human cells.
because cutting off a finger isn't the same thing as aborting a fetus you retard
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>>219944221
I might kill her on the spot, but the relationship is for sure over and I would never speak to her ever again.
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>>219952121
>I could see how you could believe that if you ignore everyone arguing exactly that point
So do you reasonably extend the argument to every human cell, including blood sampling and amputations? Why or why not?
>>219952221
Can you point the fundamental differences?
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>>219952298
>So do you agree with my false equivalence?
You're a fucking pseud.
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>>219952352
Can you point out why the equivalence is false, while also maintaining the argument that the cells being genetically human is what makes abortion not permissible?
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>>219952298
>Can you point the fundamental differences between a human with its own DNA in its early stages of development and another person's finger cells and blood cells.
Anyone who's not being a disingenuous cocksucker can do that. You can't? I wonder what that means.
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>>219952298
>reasonably extend the argument
If they are the same thing, why do you need to include the word "extend" in this? Wouldn't it be ontologically self-evident because they are the same?
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>>219952446
>question dodging
>appeal to obviousness
>ad hominem
See me after class.

>>219952497
Two separate things cannot be the same thing or they wouldn't be separate, they would be that same thing. They can, however, share certain qualities. If the argument is that abortion is not morally permissible because it involves the killing of human cells, that is a quality shared by a zygote, a fetus or born human at any stage of development, but also their individual body parts and bodily fluids. You'd have to come up with some kind of additional distinguishment to make killing of some permissible, but not others. Which is what I'm awaiting.
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>>219952640
If anyone is on the fence about supporting abortion, this is the guy you're like if you do.
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>>219952758
I accept your concession.
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>>219943352
>allow women only to choose and ignore the appeal of the future father

>accidentally knock a girl up
>demand you now own her body for 9 months
>perfectly happy for her to then toss the kid into an orphanage right after
This never struck me as even remotely reasonable.
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>>219951982
>If humanity is defined by human cells, why do I not understand the difference between somatic cells and embryos? Huh?
>Checkmate pro-lifers.
Might want to look it up if you wanna be qualified for this conversation.
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>>219952640
>You'd have to come up with some kind of additional distinguishment to make killing of some permissible, but not others.
Yeah, I said that already. Their own unique DNA. Keep pretending this hasn't been brought up multiple times.
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>>219952804
>>demand you now own her body for 9 months
Did the woman not agree to this possibility when having sex? Or are we still not holding women accountable for their choices and presuming everything that happens is some evil man's fault?
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>>219952822
>difference between somatic cells and embryos
Well the obvious difference is that an embryo is not a cell, it's multicellular. The cells are not somatic, that is true, they are undifferentiated stem cells. But undifferentiated stem cells are also found in adult humans, for example in the epidermis. Is the removal and subsequent of the epidermis morally analogous to that of an embryo, then? I don't think that's sufficent, but we are on a better track.

>>219952886
Every human has their own unique DNA, but we allow the destruction of some of their cells under some conditions. Is the argument then that one cannot destroy all of unique DNA? Does that mean it is morally permissible to kill one of monozygotic twins, as long as the other survives? An unusual position, but a curious one.
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>>219953061
>Every human has their own unique DNA, but we allow the destruction of some of their cells under some conditions.
And what do we call it when someone else destroys all of that person's cells the way abortion does, anon?
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>>219953085
Kek. Really think he's not going to equivocate out of this one, anon?
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This show's writing is really fucking bad. The animation sucks too.
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>>219943352
surely this thread will be normal and reasonable, right?
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>>219953085
Lmao. If this wasn't an internet argument, that'd be checkmate.
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>>219947914
You're a stupid ass woman.
Your opinion is garbage, and you have the mind of a child.
Grow up, little girl.
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>>219953180
OP here.
I didn't expect it to be this big and a ground for pro life and pro choice debate.
I mean isn't obvious what's wrong?

anyway, it's fascinating really, I thought it would be clearly one sided and yet I'm amazed at how many anons think differently on the matter
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>>219948934
It's your mom.
By left wing belief and law, she cannot be wrong, because she is a woman, and therefore, always right.
So, she should have aborted you.
You should not exist.
You are evil, because your mom wanted to abort you.
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>>219953085
I'd say we call that cremation, though abortion doesn't involve the destruction of all cells. I am assuming you are trying to equate abortion to killing of a person, but that would require defining personhood first. Why is a blood sample or an amputated body part not a separate person, but an embryo is? Here I'd assume your argument would be that the embryo's DNA is distinct, correct me if I'm wrong, which is fair, but in that case I have to ask, why does distinct DNA grant the moral right to live, exactly?
>>219953114
I have been nothing but clear so far. Which part do you struggle with in particular?
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>>219953357
We call it murder, anon. Killing someone ensures all of their cells will die. Because they're dead. You're not arguing any coherent point, you're just talking and talking and waiting for me to get bored with you pretending not to understand so I give up and you can feel like you won.
Is that really satisfying to you? Or would you rather concede, change your point of view, and be right from now on?
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migrate
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>>219944221
>open your legs bitch, were doing it another one, NOW. You want to be redeem dont you?
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>>219953357
>Why is a blood sample or an amputated body part not a separate person, but an embryo is?
Only a leftist could think this is a good argument.
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>>219953608
>We call it murder, anon.
Well that is factually incorrect, as murder is defined as unlawful, intentional killing. I am particular with my word usage and I'd recommend the same for you if you're going to start a semantic argument.
>Killing someone ensures all of their cells will die. Because they're dead.
The word used was "destroys", but i skipped past semantics and went with killing for the benefit of your position, no idea why you decided to make it about semantics when I avoided it for your benefit.
>You're not arguing any coherent point
My point is quite coherent, we're trying to establish the answer to the core philosophical question of the abortion problem - what properties give a being moral status that affords them a right to life? Your position so far seems to be the uniqueness of its DNA, but you're yet to justify why said uniqueness affords them that right, exactly.
>you're just talking and talking
That's how arguments work, yeah.
>waiting for me to get bored with you pretending not to understand so I give up and you can feel like you won.
>Is that really satisfying to you? Or would you rather concede, change your point of view, and be right from now on?
I'd recommend familiarizing yourself with the concept of the socratic method, Anon. It really is to the benefit of both of us, believe it or not.
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>>219953357
>I have to ask, why does distinct DNA grant the moral right to live, exactly?
Because it grants the natural right to live by natural law. If not killed by some retard who thinks he can talk until he has the right to end the natural progression of life, that is.
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>>219953745
>ad hominem
yawn
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>>219953779
I agree with the other anon that human rights are afforded by nature of being individually human, but for you, anon, I'd make an exception and just rape you to death. Holy shit, you're such a pedantic faggot.
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>>219953779
You need to go back.
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>>219953783
>Because it grants the natural right to live by natural law.
Can you define this natural law here? Sounds like a natural fallacy/is-ought leap to me, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt.

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>>219953840
>ad hominem
See, the socratic method is working as intended.
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>>219953817
>OH MY GOODNESS, MY ASS, YOU'VE RUPTURED MY ASS
>explain exactly what you mean by "my ass" and I'll stop raping you
(He'll never be able to explain to a satisfactory degree, for I intend to be intentionally obtuse until he dies)
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>>219953915
Kek. Um, it's logically incorrect to say your ass has been "ruptured" by my hairy, greasy, schlong. It'd be much more accurate to say my cheesy, overpowering manhood has caused a marginal tear in the epidermis surrounding your anal sphincter.
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>>219953915
>the external opening at the very end of the digestive tract, located below the rectum, used to expel solid waste from my body
Wasn't hard. I feel like you guy just suck at this whole argument thing. Which isn't ad hominem by the way, as it doesn't serve as the basis for my argument, it's merely an offhand remark.
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>>219953783
Can we all get on board with total leftist death? Arguing with them is futile because they don't care about truth.
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>>219954009
Im afraid that's incorrect, anon, because your digestive tract can't be said strictly to end, merely the food transitioning from within the body to decomposing outside of it. I'm afraid the raping is going to have to continue.
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>>219954066
>OW, PLEASE STOP GAPING ME WITH YOUR THICK, VIBRANT, LUXURIOUS COCK
I will, anon, you just have to explain yourself better.
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>>219954028
Honestly, it feels like if I agree with faggot anon on anything after this it's that humanity alone isn't enough to be worthy of human rights. You need to be human and not a leftist.
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>>219954028
>you don't care about truth if you're just plainly using the socratic method, the truth can only be achieved through logical fallacies and accusations of political alignment opposite of mine
Compelling, I shall meditate on it.

>>219954066
>your digestive tract can't be said strictly to end, merely the food transitioning from within the body to decomposing outside of it
The gastrointestinal tract is typically defined in terms of anatomy, not the food transition. Notice how you also failed to notice this is a semantic argument by claiming a definition can be incorrect, which is exactly why I avoid them. Your parody is of low quality, you have to put more effort into it.
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>>219954160
He did a good job, then. Productive discussion.
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>>219954209
>typically defined in terms of anatomy,
Appeal to norms.
I'm sorry, anon. You're really forcing me to keep delving ever deeper into your bowels, splitting the lining and causing permanent damage to the elasticity of your rectum.
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>>219954264
>Appeal to norms
But I'm not making a normative statement. I am informing you that this is how gastrointestinal tract is typically defined, that is factual, while you're making the normative statement by claiming a definition to be incorrect, because you have arbitrarily chosen a different one. Keep up, Anon. I do like that you are experimenting with spotting logical fallacies though, that is better.
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>>219943567
Did you forget to send her a bill for services rendered?
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>>219943567
You destroyed her property and it's your moral duty to help recreate it by fertilizing her.
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>>219954360
You're committing a false dichotomy and a strawman: treating the exchange as only "I'm stating a factual definition" versus "you're making a normative claim" ignores other possibilities (different technical definitions, misreading sources, or discipline-specific usage), and you misrepresent the other side by saying they "arbitrarily chose a different definition" instead of considering charitable explanations; additionally, the disagreement may involve equivocation between everyday and technical senses of "definition" and a burden-shifting move where asserting a "factual" definition demands disproof rather than providing authoritative evidence—so the fix is to cite sources for your gastrointestinal-tract definition, acknowledge disciplinary variation, and avoid framing the dispute as purely normative
I'm afraid the infection from your little rectal tear might be progressing to your little noggin.
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>>219954526
>"I'm stating a factual definition"
This isn't what i said. I said it is factual that this how a gastrointestinal tract is typically defined.
>versus "you're making a normative claim"
That is also not what I said, there is no dichotomy. Is is factual that this how a gastrointestinal tract is typically defined, AND you making a normative statement. A dichotomy requires an OR, not an AND.
>you misrepresent the other side by saying they "arbitrarily chose a different definition" instead of considering charitable explanations
Such as?
>additionally, the disagreement may involve equivocation between everyday and technical senses of "definition"
Why the may? It either does and doesn't.
>burden-shifting move where asserting a "factual" definition demands disproof rather than providing authoritative evidence
Well i did not say the definition is factual, so that doesn't really apply, does it?
>so the fix is to cite sources for your gastrointestinal-tract definition
Yeah sure why not
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/imagepages/9790.htm
>acknowledge disciplinary variation
I did.
>avoid framing the dispute as purely normative
But I didn't, you did.

I am flattered you asked a language model for help, but it's really doing a much worse job than you did, it lacks all context. You were doing great on your own, be more confident.
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>>219954799
Your response is undermined by defensive tone and inconsistency: it alternately denies and affirms making a factual claim, fails to supply charitable alternatives when asked (e.g., discipline-specific definitions, semantic vs. technical senses, or source misreading), misuses modal language by objecting to "may" instead of explaining which sense applies, and supplies a source without explaining how it resolves the dispute or addresses disciplinary variation—fixes: state your claim precisely (typical vs. absolute), cite one or two authorities and show how they support your wording, acknowledge possible definitional variation, and respond directly to each identified fallacy without adversarial language.
I'm going to have to get rougher for a bit now, anon.
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>>219943547
>mother's body fucking up and miscarrying is entirely the same as deliberately murdering the unborn
Leftists once more pretending to not understand things.
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>>219947796
>retard kid gets more action than me
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>>219955061
>Your response is undermined by defensive tone
Tone policing.
>denies and affirms making a factual claim
Explained.
>fails to supply charitable alternatives when asked
I asked for them.
>misuses modal language by objecting to "may" instead of explaining which sense applies
I object to may precisely because it wasn't explained which sense applies.
>supplies a source without explaining how it resolves the dispute or addresses disciplinary variation
Not what was asked.
>state your claim precisely (typical vs. absolute)
I did.
>cite one or two authorities and show how they support your wording
I did.
>acknowledge possible definitional variation
I did.
>respond directly to each identified fallacy
I do.
>without adversarial language
Tone policing.
>I'm going to have to get rougher for a bit now, anon.
I'd prefer your original thoughts, but if you have none left, so be it.
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>>219954799
>I am flattered you asked a language model for help
NTA, but in his defense, sealioning really is the faggiest trolling strategy and it warrants equally faggy responses.
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>>219955253
>sealioning
Involves requests for evidence, which I don't do, the discussion is really purely about establishing logic.
>it warrants equally faggy responses
Outsourcing trolling to AI is boring though. Where's the fun in that?
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>>219955323
Taking the fun out of someone's trolling is pretty fun.
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>>219955371
More work to achieve the same result as just not engaging, seems suboptimal to me. Each to their own I guess.
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>>219955432
Eh, fair. I think the advantage using AI has is that it prevents getting emotionally invested in the argument and keeps the other party engaged and potentially getting mad.
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>>219955489
>I think the advantage using AI has is that it prevents getting emotionally invested in the argument
Still participating implies some emotional enagement if you ask me.
>keeps the other party engaged and potentially getting mad
If they don't realize it's AI this holds, but if they do, the fact that the other side has to outsource their trolling can give a smug sense of satisfaction. A risky tactic.



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