>You mean to tell me that you CAN'T play the song at EXACTLY 154.32 beats per minute without a metronome?>WELL THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN FUCKING HERE YOU FUCKING RETARD?
Is this worth watching if I'm a pleb with no musical education whatsoever?
>>219947132You'll enjoy it more than a musician would honestly
>>219947132Yes it's better actually
>>219947132seems like a lot of musicians think it's actually retarded. i'll just say when i watched it i assumed what the real life version would be like and realized everyone involved is a giant faggot so hopefully it's not accurate for their sake.
>>219947059JK Simmons is fun but the whole film is preposterous. Film needed to be set 20-30 years earlier Inb4 THATS THE POINT
>>219947364>lot of musicians think it's actually retardedYeah because it is. The "practice" scenes are him spamming the drums as fast as possible. That's not what drum practice is. In reality it's slowly repeating exercises or grooves until you can play them, and practicing rudiments to a metronome. Even if you want to play really fast, you don't get that from overexerting yourself, you do it by slowly ramping up. Speed comes slowly. Drumming is a marathon, not a sprint.
>>219947132It’s not really about the music, just pushing yourself to greatness at the expense of forming relationships. Besides that the few times they use music terminology(like the rushing and dragging scene) you’ll know what it means. So yeah, I’d say check it out
>>219947630The "rushing and dragging" scene isn't even what rushing and dragging means.
>>219947517Those practice scenes are the band playing real music. If you’re a music major in college you should already know how to play and don’t need hand holding beginner’s “and this is a quarter note, lil timmy! Practice the quarter notes by stomping the kick drum for several hours each day!”
>>219947688I mean I learned drum rudiments like nine years ago and I still practice them every day. You'd be surprised how deep you can go into the basics.
>>219947688Then why is the horn all over the place in that scene?
>>219947132It's a thinly veiled power fantasy for retards, the male equivalent of Fifty Shades of Grey.
>>219947729They can do that on their own time, which he does iirc. It seemed more about learning to properly play in a band because a lot of music majors go into orchestral groups.>You'd be surprised how deep you can go into the basics.If you are actually really good there isn't much to go into, you already have a solid grasp of basics.
>>219947729A) you aren’t at an elite music schoolB) just because they don’t show him doing 3 hours of basics every day doesn’t mean he isn’t also practicing that. This is the same retarded bs people spout about “this movie so unrealistic they didn’t even show them using the bathroom or sitting in traffic they just cut right to the interesting stuff”>>219947738Is it? It’s more like an archetypal sports movie but in a novel setting. How is it different than any movie where a protagonist overcomes obstacles to succeed?I don’t even think the flick is that mind-blowing but these criticisms are so dumb.
>>219947794Even if you can play all 40 rudiments from very slow to very fast back to very slow on both hands and feet without any sloppy moments (which I highly doubt most drummers can do), you can always practice rudiments more. Even if you can do all of that, rudiments are a good way to keep your skills from atrophying. Look at Lars Ulrich. He got significantly worse as a drummer after the 1980s and early 90s, and he's said he never practices rudiments. Meanwhile Neil Peart practiced rudiments all the time until he retired and he kept his skills in good shape in his 60s.
>>219947987>all this bullshit>ai will just do it perfectly from now on anywaykek music cucks on suicide watch
>>219947977>you aren’t at an elite music schoolWell I'm not a jazz drummer, so I wouldn't even have a reason to be there lol. >just because they don’t show him doing 3 hours of basics every day doesn’t mean he isn’t also practicing thatIt's kind of important that the movie about getting really good at drumming accurately shows how you get really good at drumming. The solo practice scene shows him spamming a blast beat while flailing his arms around, causing himself to bleed so badly that his band aids keep coming off. If that's your practice you're never going to improve as a drummer. I do kind of take issue with the fact that the biggest movie about drumming paints such an inaccurate picture of what being a drummer is like.
>>219947132Yes, it's great. My only complaint is that kinda fails as a thriller because JK Simmons is too funny.
>>219948044We've had programmed drums for 40 years, AI changes literally nothing lol.
>>219947059Just don’t rush or drag, faggot. It’s not that hard. Fletcher was completely right and made him a better drummer.
>>219948174Have you ever held a pair of drumsticks in your life?
>>219948091most were introduced to JK Simmons as the evil Schillinger in Oz so it was easy for them to see him again in that form hence why he won the oscarthe movie would have been pretty meh without his OTT persona driving the whole thing along
>>219947987It’s pretty incredible that Peart, in his later years, switched to traditional grip drumming (part because of deep jazz study, part carpal tunnel). Just crazy.
>>219947132I love it t. Dont know shit about jazz
>>219948323I saw them for R40, don't think he was using traditional then. I've tried it just out of curiosity, and I genuinely cannot keep a basic four on the floor backbeat with it. So kudos to him, I guess. I know there are jazz drummers that use match grip.
>>219948080>autism>>219948263How is this thread so full of retards? Did a fishtank or actress feet thread just die and this was right next to it on the catalogue?
>>219948388>autism is when you care about the drumming in the movie about drums
>NOO PLEASE DON'T MOTIVATE ME, DON'T BECOME MY MENTOR AND TAKE AN INTEREST IN ME I DON'T WANT TO BE A PRODIGY I WANT TO BE A MEDIOCRE NORMAL KID
>>219948080>I’m not a jazz drummer so I wouldn’t even be thereGenuinely do you think that people who join the school band are all crazy about military march esque music? No it’s about the learning process and experience and because they love to play music in general >It's kind of important that the movie about getting really good at drumming accurately shows how you get really good at drummingIn Drive We don’t need to see how Driver became a great stunt driver. We just know he’s a good getaway driver because that’s his day job. Same with the drummer in this. He was accepted into an elite music school, the movie doesn’t need to see how he started playing drums at a young age to prove that >calling them blast beatsOk you’re just an amateur with an inflated ego because you tell everyone you were in a metal band once in school that never actually recorded anything
Imagine caring that much about something so petty as music. Non stem people are so cringe and pathetic.
>>219948263No that would be his portrayal of J Jonah Jameson. The Spiderman movies were infinitely more popular than Oz
>>219948624Music is mathhttps://youtu.be/n0P1JsMTWc0?si=Ga64TfRiOT5jVu4j
>>219948568>he thinks rudiments are only useful for marching bandsNGMI>He was accepted into an elite music schoolAgain, do you think you stop practicing rudiments when you're accepted into music school? Or ever, for that matter?>Ok you’re just an amateur with an inflated ego because you tell everyone you were in a metal band once in school that never actually recorded anythingIt's literally a blast beat. A fast single stroke roll on the ride/kick and snare. That's what that means.
>>219948624I majored in math and CS and I realized that I like music more
>>219948426It’s just a dumb criticism that’s common to hear from autists about any sort of media about their preferred hobby or occupation >wtf why didn’t this acclaimed legal drama have 20 minutes of doc review so unrealistic sorry I care about law movies being about the practice of law>why didn’t the war movie show them sitting around bored for 8 hours>bro how can you call this a racing movie we didn’t even see the protagonist learn to parallel park>fuck this bullshit baseball movie it’s all about the high stakes games and catches and not hour after hour of them in a batting cageThe whiplash practice scenes are clearly late at night at the end of the practice session but I guess if you’re autistic and aphasiartic you don’t and can’t understand that the rudimentary drills likely happened earlier. I haven’t seen the movie in ages but don’t they show him practicing his paradiddle as a kid?If you can’t see how autistic it is that you want the scenes of him pushing himself too hard practicing to be replaced by him just lazily going through drills I don’t think I can help you.
>>219948760>clearly late at night at the end of the practice session I usually just jam on some songs at the end of my sessions, but I guess everyone's different. The one thing you don't want to do at the end of a session is overexert yourself and make your hands bleed, I can tell you that.>lazily going through drillsRudiments should be taken very seriously. The lazy part of practice is playing songs tbqh. And the reason I'm so up in arms about this is because it's one of the few movies about drumming, and it's bad if the public gets a false image about what being a drummer is like. Normies aren't watching interviews with Thomas Lang lol, they have no clue what's going on in the drummer world. And so they form their opinions based on movies like this. Can't you see what the problem would be if the general public thinks drum practice means spamming notes as fast as possible until your hands bleed?
>>219948104Keep coping, musiccuck.
>>219949012Are you actually retarded?
>>219947059The whole movie is ridiculous since nobody even notices the drums when listening to music.
>>219948908Why are you even replying at this point? Post you playing drums so I can scrutinize your technique. I’ve recorded in Denmark.
>>219948908>I usually just jam on some songs at the end of my sessions, but I guess everyone's different.Luckily your random hobby drumming practice routine is irrelevant. Not being able to differentiate your own subjective experience from another’s is a literal symptom of autism fyi>The one thing you don't want to do at the end of a session is overexert yourself and make your hands bleed, I can tell you that.No shit ya fucking retard, that’s literally the point. I can imagine your next criticism in a flat, nasally, autistic cadence being “uhrm actshully his teacher shouldn’t throw symbols at him that’s dangerous and I never had symbols thrown at me very unrealistic movie”>Rudiments should be taken very seriously. The lazy part of practice is playing songs tbqh. And the reason I'm so up in arms about this is because it's one of the few movies about drumming, and it's bad if the public gets a false image about what being a drummer is like. Normies aren't watching interviews with Thomas Lang lol, they have no clue what's going on in the drummer world. And so they form their opinions based on movies like this. Can't you see what the problem would be if the general public thinks drum practice means spamming notes as fast as possible until your hands bleed?>*snorts* *flaps hands next to ears* *rocks back and forth repetitively*It’s a fucking movie. Normies are able to grasp that it isn’t real life. And besides, who tf cares. Its quality is determined as a film, not one drumming autist’s perception of how he thinks normies will react to the lack of rudiments. It’s like a pilot critiquing Flight because drinking while flying is bad and there wasn’t enough mundane pre flight checks and now normies will think that all pilots do is invert planes in disaster situations.
>>219949245this anon shits the bed
>>219947132yes because it isn't about jazz or music, it's a master apprentice relationship where both are obsessed with legacy and art
>>219949324>master apprentice relationshipJK Simmons is the big spoon
>>219947059This movie leaves out the fact that it’s possible to rush and drag within the same measure and the real wiz kids of the kit do this to great effect.
>>219949245>symbols
>>219949213>I've recorded in DenmarkWhat?
>>219949578It’s a country in Western Europe
>>219949609You've recorded what in Denmark? That's the question retard.
>>219949637Music.
>>219949661What kind of music?
>>219949682Whatever the Danes needed
>>219949578Denmark street?> You go to a publisher and play him your song>He says 'I hate your music and you hair is too long>But I'll sign you up because I'd hate to be wrong!
>>219949706On what instrument?
>>219949725Whatever the Danes needed me to play. Are you going to post yourself playing drums or are you just going to keep fixating on how I’ve recorded in Denmark and you haven’t.
>>219949762I'll post audio but I'm not doxxing myself. What do you want me to play?
>>219949791Purdy Shuffle with some funny fills please
I enjoyed the movie but absolutely thought it was over dramatized. Fast forward my daughter is in 8th grade band and her director is basically an 8th grade director version of Simmons in this movie. It’s fucking wild the kind of people that cohabitate this planet. The directors favorite thing to say is>if you play out of tune one more time I will stab you in the throat with a shrimp fork
drumcel is getting BTFO by daneGOD
>>219949800I've never played that before, give me a few minutes to practice it
>having a melty over a drum beat not being exactly on tempo down to the nanosecond>on a jazz tune>discouraging jazz musicians from improvising>misinterpreting one 50% bullshit story and then basing your entire life and teaching philosophy on it>conveniently leaving out hundreds of success stories of musicians wildly more talented than Parker that directly contradict said philosophyImagine this bald retard trying to deal with genius schizos like Monk or Ornette Coleman
>>219950035Alright take your time, I figured since you were a rudiments guy you could probably figure it out. Over in Denmark, most drummers know this shuffle.
>>219947364>>219947517>>219947729>>219948691I played kit at UNT's 3 o' clock lab and I don't think there was anything especially wrong with how Miles Teller's character was portrayed. I think JK Simmons was obviously a hyperbole and he would have been fired a long time ago despite his accolades, he was obviously a right abusive prick, and collegiate music professors can get really intense but he was literally throwing cymbals and calling him faggot and stuff. That wouldn't fly at any school in America in the last 25 years at least I don't think. The arguments about the rudiments are silly; it's important to practice rudiments but that's not what he will do in the lab obviously, and you absolutely do have to practice playing fast to be able to play Whiplash at tempo, idk where you get the idea that playing slow rudiments will make you play fast. It helps with your pocket immensely but you won't magically be fast enough to play bebop after playing rudiments slowly for ten thousand hours. Also "blast beat" isn't really a term used in Jazz. I don't remember the specific scene you are talking about unless you mean the solo at the end, but I can almost guarantee they would refer to it as "burning" which can be used to mean they are playing something so fast it may look indiscernible from what a metal player would call a blast beat, but its swung and calculated, not just dense and fast. And obviously he practiced rudiments off-screen, that isn't something any serious drummer really ever stops practicing, but the movie wasn't aiming to show the mechanics of becoming a great drummer, it was about the relationship between the two lead roles.
>>219950169Top 15 drummers now
>>219949802In America?? I am shocked a male teacher can threaten to stab an 8th grade girl even in jest and keep his job. That's nuts. I had some downright mean teachers and professors and they sometimes got angry and would let out a swear or something but I can't imagine them saying something like that and not getting in deep shit for it. Impressive.
>>219950107https://voca.ro/1372uG1iUBoGHere you go. My feel isn't bad but I mess up the shuffle a lot, then there's me playing Stargazer by Rainbow, that's more the type of stuff I usually play.
>>219950283Thanks for humoring me anon, I’ll pass on word to Denmark that there’s a new drummer coming after the title belt.
>>219950283>https://voca.ro/1372uG1iUBoGActually it is perfect. I just never realized that's what a Purdie shuffle is.
>>219950235Oh I dunno I change my mind all the time but obviously Buddy Rich. There is this guy Arthur Hnatek that is pretty fucking cool, plays with Tigran Hamasyan, uhh I'm pretty into some of the contemporary prog metal guys out rn like Garstka. But pretty much all the bebop and jazz fusion classics are great IMO. Idk, what was the correct answer? I'm not super into the big classic prog rock gods as much as most guys. I appreciate Peart and Bonham but I think they have been deeply outclassed by now.
>>219950464That's not perfect lol. I can barely play two measures of it and the kick pattern isn't as intricate as the version I learned it from. Also the ghost note right after the backbeat is dragged a bit some of the time, I really need to work on my left hand in general. I'll never pretend to be some advanced drummer, but at least I know where my weaknesses are.
>>219950490>I think they have been deeply outclassed by now.By whom? In terms of pure technicality 100%. But in terms of feel and writing good drum parts? No way.
>>219950618Keep at it mate, and have fun
>>219950690We probably come from very different worlds man. I don't think they had the "feel" of a bebop player at all. It's probably comparing apples to oranges so there isn't much of a point in having this argument but I think the deeper you get into jazz the more you see how much old prog guys left on the table. Like polyrhythm was only a tool for them rather than a mode they played in. If I'm not having a hard time dancing to it, ie finding beat 1 every measure, then it can't be that hard to feel, and my personal belief is that complexity is deeply indicative of the quality of someone's compositional skills. A lot of people push back on that because the greatest drummers you can name don't play outside very much but idk it takes a really impressive person to convince me they know more about drums and drumming than me desu. I'm a no life faggot.
>>219950690>Bonham>Peart>feel
>>219950490Thanks for an honest answer anon
>>219947132The stuff about hands bleeding from playing so much isn't a thing but the emotional and verbal abuse from a Jazz snob is VERY accurate. There are NO worse, more abusive musicians than jazz musicians. Look up the tapes of Buddy Rich abusing his band. I was in a jazz band, as a drummer, and it felt this shitty a lot of the time.
>>219950913>my personal belief is that complexity is deeply indicative of the quality of someone's compositional skills100% disagree. There's a lot of stuff out there with insane polyrhythms that's almost impossible to count, but is that music inherently better than something more simple? Animals as Leaders is just noise compared to Rush IMO, even though it might be more complex.
>>219951131Well you should’ve learned the god damned songs at the right tempo then. Alright, let’s all sit back and hear anon butcher the intro to sing sing sing
>>219950891Let me record again now that I've practiced it more. I want to give you something I'm happy with.
>>219950913One of my favorite bands, parliament funkadelic, their drummer would weigh down the hi hat with a massive silicone dildo that would flop around side to side when he’d work the cymbal. Why don’t you play like that?
>>219950618Let me ‘splain it to you sonhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0VlzJeNvA&pp=ygUNUHVyZHkgc2h1ZmZsZQ%3D%3D
>>219951148It isn't that the music is better or not, because that is deeply personal, it's just an indicator that this composer knows a lot more about composition and music theory and thus probably sounds better on a kit too but maybe not.I know exactly how pretentious I sound and it is kind of embarrassing, but I went to music school and studied Jazz and you won't ever convince me that Rush is more musical than Animals as Leaders. The depth of those songs are fucking literally insane. And obviously that is because when AAL was coming out they had infinite more tools and progressive influences than Rush did, so I don't mean Peart is a bad drummer, I just don't think you will convince most 21st century post-grad music students that Rush is some how more musical than AAL. Rush is definitely more commercial and fun and they jam af but its honestly like not even an argument that would ever come up in my area. And not because it hasn't been considered, just because it sounds really silly from the start.But again we are probably talking about 2 different things and we enjoy two different types of music. Peart is very flashy and fun but not deep at all compared to AAL and most bebop or other styles of jazz coming out now. Just my opinion, but it's coming from a place of collegiate music education.
>>219951232How does he get the dildo to stay on?
>>219951232Honestly I have no clue and that is the kind of lane I'm trying to branch into now, thanks for the rec
>>219951402You’re welcome, use brushes more too, people are nutty for them
>has yet to be surpassedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0szNqJZ_U
>>219951373What do you mean by "more musical"?>The depth of those songs are fucking literally insaneIs it really? All this jazz and such is nothing compared to Mahler or Stravinsky, if you just want complexity and complete mastery listen to classical music.
>>219951131>The stuff about hands bleeding from playing so much isn't a thingKek 10/10 bait or absolutely just a fucking retard who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You got me. Fuck off now
>>219951599Found the chinsect, did they make you learn piano or violin
>>219951599One time I got a blister playing drums and I couldn't practice for weeks.
>>219951534>What do you mean by "more musical"?AAL is more dense with high level musical concepts and has a lot more dynamic shifting, has lots of fusion elements, etc.Yeah I think they get more unique musical ideas across a single piece than Rush ever did and ever could have. Also Mahler is a completely different kind of complexity. He was extremely interesting and sometimes harmonically adventurous but it doesn't have the kind of energy I enjoy from bebop. Its like 2 totally different spiritual experiences, even more than AAL v Rush lol
>>219951373Wow, you are the biggest faggot I’ve ever encountered and if you truly believe that then I’m disregarding your opinion because it’s so laughable that you’re in the same category as flat earth fags musically and I’m truly baffled at how shit your opinion is. >Rush is worse than some fag math music band that writes 3 min songs with no lyrics Jesus Christ!
>>219951814Yeah but I’ve never had one of their riveting guitar rollydoos stuck in my head no matter how often I’ve listened to them. But I think about red barchetta once a week. Token Wasabi doesn’t have the minstrels gift.
>>219951814>I think they get more unique musical ideas across a single piece than RushI don't even disagree. I just think Rush has better ideas. And for that I like them more.>Mahler is a completely different kind of complexityStravinsky isn't desu. And I mean yeah, I agree with you, classical and popular music are totally different experiences. Where I'd push back is the idea that complexity is equivalent to "musicality", whatever that means. What does it matter if your music is complex if it isn't as good as simpler music? What's the problem with music being simple?
>>219951836yeah this is about the response I've learned to expect from people that have never studied music seriously. Before I became obsessed with Jazz my favorites were Springsteen and Bob Dylan. I still love singing their songs but I don't think I could spend 4-6 years learning from their repertoire. We just like different things. The people in my circle would think you are a fucking asshole just like you and your people think of me.
>>219951919Musicality is the difference between somebody operating an instrument and someone *playing* an instrument
>>219951874Dude you don't get Dat Riff stuck in your head with the double thump highlight in The Woven Web??? Tosin is dope
>>219951836Rush is fucking terrible. If you're going to listen to dinosaurs bands, listen to Pink Floyd, they wrote actual songs instead of jerking off. Reminder that having the ability to write memorable melodies is INFINITELY superior to being able to play a bunch of scales really fast. That's why Paul McCartney brutally mogs Coltrane and Mozart brutally mogs Stravinsky
>>219951948Completely and utterly meaningless.
>>219951965My distaste for that band starts with their terrible ESL “let’s get the hardcore kiddo crowd interested” name.
>>219951967https://youtu.be/z3gvOV40ccUNo melodies in this song, no sir. Also just fucking lol at the idea that Stravinsky didn't have memorable melodies.
>>219951933You’re a huge faggot dude, I play jazz and studied it seriously and got a scholarship for it. You are pretentious faggot who deserves to be ridiculed and booted off stage
>>219951981Read it again egghead
>>219951967You don't understand music.
>>219951965>The Woven WebJust listened to it. That's like all 4/4 lol.
>>219952034Just did. Still meaningless.
>>219952103Give it another pass, it’ll sink in this time.
>>219950169Eh, so by drilling rudiments until speed and "blast beats," he's probably referring to upping your tempo until you start throwing big muscles over to small muscles, and of course using rebound. When those metal jackholes blast "gravity beats," they're generally employing the same finger control as a jazz drummer would use for triplets and various ride patterns. It's all fusion at the end of the day.
>>219952203What the hell do you have against metal drummers?
>>219952242They’re beneath me
>>219951919There isn't any problem with it being simple man I'm just talking about what my personal gauge is for musicianship. I think that there are tons of 4 chord pop songs that are sensational and beautiful and emotional but they don't express sheer musicianship the way Jazz does. I don't think complexity is a 1:1 equivalent to musicality, I just think that OFTEN times, not all the time, it is a decent indicator of ones' skills and musicianship. Simple music is still musical but when I consider someone a profound or great musician, rather than songwriter, its usually because I can analyze and study their performance for months to years. I don't discount classical music or pop music or classic rock as completely amusical or bad, just that it's not what classmates would consider really musically impressive. And you can also be extremely musically impressive and have zero soul and be no fun to listen like some of the instrumental math rock bands from the 2010s like Covet, and also Covet only feigns complexity by playing a bunch of notes really fast and says look ma I'm tapping, having no real knowledge of harmony, there is no modulation in their music and its just harmonically boring, sorry I'm ranting now I'm just trying to say its a complex topic for me. One of my favorite bands ever from growing up is blink-182. Two out of three of them suck at their instruments and singing, and Travis people will argue about til the end of time for some reason, but there is no doubt he has some level of virtuosity, but he is the extent of their instrumental prowess. Their strength comes from their emotional output more than their musical complexity and that is very fun and I still enjoy any album that doesn't have the Alkaline Trio guy on it. They scratch different itches though. I listen to music really differently than the average consumer; new music is almost always 100% a learning opportunity for me and I have trouble listening to music as simply a music fan, cont.
>>219952047>untalented faggot copingSad!
>>219952271unless its like an anthemic rock hit thats fun to scream gutturally or cry to. That makes them (imo) great songwriters but not necessarily excellent musicians or instrumentalists etc
>>219952008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLh3A6AqmUsThis is now a Rush thread.
>>219950169>playing slow rudiments will make you play fastNever said it would. Playing fast rudiments will make you fast. Pushing yourself past the point of comfort is what's bad. Watch really fast death metal drummers, they're definitely working but they're just flicking their wrists for each hit. You need to gradually ramp your tempo up instead of reaching beyond what you're comfortable with (unless it's for a really short burst). >its swunHow the FUCK do you swing something that fast lmao? Hats off to you if you can, honestly, that's impressive.
>>219952271>blink 182Their only good one is man overboard and that song is just Major Tom by Peter Schilling
>>219952271>they don't express sheer musicianship the way Jazz doesAnd jazz doesn't express musicianship the way classical does.>it's not what classmates would consider really musically impressiveYour classmates wouldn't consider Mahler musically impressive? Your classmates might just be retarded then.>inb4 muh improvisationClassical musicians up until the 20th century would improvise.
>>219952242Nothing, I just came up in a time where that was really everywhere and annoying. The drumming was fantastic but all the bands just fucking screamed, and screamed and screamed and screamed, like a parking lot full of wild Canadian geese. So all of these beautiful players were wasted on noise. The gravity blasts were cool, but it was more like sport than music.
>>219952027That's cool dude I don't believe you or respect your opinion, I've never met someone that honestly studied Jazz in college and believed Rush was instrumentally superior to contemporary progressive music and Jazz. Have fun being a disingenuous lying faggot though, I will keep sharing my opinions.
absolute overrated slop
>>219952394Listen to more metal, once you get past the initial hump you realize it's just as melodic as any other music. Some bands like Vektor even have cool harmony.>it was more like sport than music.I suggest 90s Death.
>>219952400Can you play the drum solo from the Frank Sinatra hit, “It’s All Over (When The Fat Lady Swings)” Not that anon tho, asking for myself
>>219952400What does "instrumentally superior" mean? Like they had nicer instruments?>I've never met a Jazz student that likes rock more than jazzI'm shocked by that.
>>219952271I think most hobbies deal with these two parties: one that appreciates detail and study, and the other that appreciates “feeling” without definition.Sure, there’s a mix of both, but there is a lean in most people. You seem like the former - I’m more of the latter. I think the former is useful in academic settings, but the latter can be useful in developing new ideas. They coexist and we’re free to move between them.
>>219952394You sound like a faggot bro.>WAAAAAH MOOMMMYYY WHY ARE THEY SCREAMING ME EARS ARE HURTING MOMMYYou're like a little girl.
>>219952473There's a balance between the two. And that balance is only found in classical music.
>>219952502Who is your favorite composer out of these three? >Schumann>Schubert>Schuster
>>219948080>It's kind of important that the movie about getting really good at drumming accurately shows how you get really good at drummingAccording to fucking who? It's a movie not a tutorial.
All music is gay and if you take it so serious as you spergs you in all likelihood have had homosexual relations in your lifetime.
>>219952388Of course Mahler is musically impressive but Jazz uses a different harmonic palette and it's a completely different interest and field of study. We didn't have a ton of classical curriculum in post grad desu, because at a certain level it becomes a very different direction. I think later impressionists like Satie were more influential in Jazz harmony anyways. And which classical players could improvise / play changes better than the jazz greats? Legitimately curious because that isn't something I remember discussing. I know theres like fiddle in country / bluegrass which is its own thing but were there prolific violinists that were primarily known for their improv in the 19th century?
>>219952534Schubert I guess, I mostly just listen to late Romantic stuff. Call me a pleb, (probably deserved), I really need to expand my horizons.
>>219952472He’s probably one of those faggots who think Joe satriani and Eric Johnson are plebes and terrible musicians
>>219952472Instrumentally superior means playing your instrument better than who you are being compared to. For example, John Mayer is instrumentally superior than Taylor Swift. Should be simple enough.
>>219952568The answer was actually Schumann
>>219952583Nope, I think they're great.
>>219952326Great overall choice, but if you want NP at the height of his powers, just before Freddie Grueber broke his swing, its right here. He was good because he wasn't trying to be Steve Smith, he was just going for it like Moon, grace and technique be damned. He always had Buddy envy, but he was always built like a hitter. Waste all the motion you want so long as it sounds like this. https://youtu.be/ZyyYzddxxVY?si=akzJ0r1uMBcNoEla
>>219952534>Hm yes hello this is Mr. Schumann from Schumann, Schubert and Schuster
>>219947059The folder is your responsibility, OP, why would you give it to Anon?
>>219952557>Jazz uses a different harmonic paletteNo it doesn't lol. Unless you're talking about microtonal jazz.>We didn't have a ton of classical curriculumExplains why you're such a pleb.>And which classical players could improvise / play changes better than the jazz greats?Like all of them lol. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, Liszt, Chopin, Rachmaninoff. All famed improvisers. They were pianists primarily though (Bach an organist). I don't know about violinists. You could do some further research on that.
>>219952598Ok who is instrumentally superior, Moby or Fatboy Slim?
>>219952598In what way? Pure technique? Improvisation? Composition? That's still too vague.
>>219952502jazz is the equivalent of writing good prompts for ai. sure it looks good it sounds good but in the end it lacks the soul of true creationplaying jazz is like getting a vasectomy and saying “yeah im the father of my wife’s son”
>>219952502I think it can be found anywhere, though “classical music” is special in that it catalogs the works of musicians who have the ability to capture sound and commit it to written works in a way that can be repeated. I like to think of “classical music” as a giant catalog of the work of professional musicians - “professional” in the sense that they can write and perform music in a prescribed way.I think pop musicians are lucky to have recording technology available, as I doubt they have the ability to commit things to sheet music. We’re lucky we can listen to the feel of the music exactly as the artist intended.
>>219952355It could be that the swing itself can sometimes be indiscernible to most or all ears at high enough speeds, but I'm pretty sure unless its some new really progressive stuff that no jazz composer would describe a section as a blast beat, they probably intend for it to be swung in theory even if that is beyond what's currently humanly possibru.
>>219952727Eh, I don't really care. I like unorthodox interpretations, like Bernstein doing Tchaikovsky 6.
>>219952661Moby, even though he’s a softie.
>>219952755
>>219952763Reminder that Moby would get his shit rocked by FBS in a fist fight.
>>219952755And I like Gould.
>>219952632I was trying to listen to that record one day I couldn't do it shit was so awful. At one point there's some spoken word rap shit or something? Dipped out right there. Post Signals Rush is so hit and miss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYdQB0mkEU
>>219952557I studied a ton of classical in undergrad because all music students had to but I specialized then majored in Jazz Studies. I didn't major in Classical. Is everyone that isn't a post grad in classical / comp a pleb to you?Were any of those improvisations ever transcribed? Maybe it wasn't taught because there aren't recordings of true improvisations by classical composers idk.
>>219952747>no jazz composer would describe a section as a blast beatMaybe not, but at the end of the day what he plays in the movie is indistinguishable from a blast beat. I guess the kick is half time, but I hear that in metal too so I say it counts. Sorry if I offended your precious jazz jargon, but I am a metal drummer and not a jazz drummer (although when I'm just noodling for fun I often end up playing swing grooves lol).
>>219952817If you’re not playing the kick half time and the hi hat in double time, at all times, you’re really playing in an outdated under-grooved capacity. I bet you still roll the toms like a hair metal wanker.
>>219952556what else is art school for anon
>>219952845literally whatI'm saying the kick is half time relative to the ride. Your statement is too broad to mean anything.
>>219952799>not liking roll the bones the whole point of the rap section is because it’s different, even literally says so in the rap lyrics. Guess you’re afraid of a little abstraction, facts are facts, you better run out boy
>>219952891I’m trying to explain to you how the drummer can control the flow of time by obfuscating the tempo thru mixing in “grabby” half-time and double-time aspects
>>219952799Its so weird how hard Signals is wanked when it contains some of their biggest dogs. Sure, the great stuff is great, but Chemistry and Countdown are unforgivable. Same with Permanent Waves, aside from Freewill, Spirit, and Natural Science, its ungodly bad.For the record, the best Rush album is Power Windows.
>>219952907It sounds ridiculous like when Debbie Harry tried to rap. But she's cute so she gets a pass.
>>219952939Imagine thinking Jacob's Ladder is "ungodly bad".
>>219952936That's a hell of a lot of jargon to say pretty much nothing.
>>219952939Nah Power Windows is dogshit. Hemispheres is objectively the best album.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeumXTFH3vc
>>219947132It’s a good movie. Like any movie that delves into expertise, people in the field will notice things that aren’t really representative because the writers aren’t in the field of work themselves. You should watch it, because it focuses much more on the characters themselves than what they are doing.
>>219952939Wow hard agree on power windows being their best, never heard anyone else agree with me on that. But chemistry is a banger and Jacob’s ladder too, signals is a 9/10 come on now
>>219947738No, that would be a movie where the male protagonist works hard in a normal job and acts in a decent prosocial manner and then gets awarded a virgin housewife for it.
>>219947132If you know anything about music you will hate this movie lmao. It's literally a sports coach flick but about jazz so every critic cums over it.
>>219952951It is, one of those times he should've handed the sheet back to Neil and said "try and write something less embarrassing." He barely fits them into a melody, just kinda bites his lip and "light streams down in BRIGHT UNBROKEN BEEEEAMS!"It makes me feel secondhand embarrassment. Lifeson did no wrong, thoughever. Victim of circumstance on that one.
>>219953004>Nah Power Windows is dogshit.God I can’t imagine hating the best album ever written. Your opinion is shit and you need to not even call yourself a Rush fan because it makes us real fans look bad
>>219952072Obscure subdivisions in 4/4 is objectively more interesting than the common odd meter patterns. Odd time signatures are just really on trend right now but there is nothing intrinsically more difficult about counting to 7 than there is about counting to 4 if you know how to count at all. e jazz and math rock musician and singer from north texas where math rock was huge up until the last year or two. It got boring and redundant. Playing in 4/4 with creative subdivision and polyrhythm is more impressive than trendy math rock shit that changes time signatures every measure.
>>219952998>jargonIt’s terminology
>>219953083You're a gay faggot and you should kill yourself.
>>219953086Meshuggah is the peak of music, okay got it.
>>219953099That means what? A song sounds different when the drummer plays it in half or double time? Thanks for that insight anon
>>219952473I think this is absolutely correct. I find myself wishing I leaned more to the /feeling/ side but I wasn't really born with musical genes at all and everything I know and master is from hard practice and study. My rhythm wasn't very good at all really until I started playing with Jazz bands every day.
>>219953127>my rhythm wasn't good until I started playing musicYou and everyone else, buddy.
>>219953100You probably hate the song between the wheels too don’t you? I’ll gladly kill myself if you’re the one in charge of my music playlist.
>>219953118No I’m talking about having those feels running alongside eachother. If it helps you, picture the bass player adding the “half time” feel into the groove. There now you only have to think about *two* things happening at once.
>>219953127>>219953152Speak for yourselves. I've never practiced a single day in my life because I have natural talent.. Stop shitting up the airwaves with your tryhard bullshit.
>>219953009Could not dig those songs. For me P/G to HYF is the golden run. I'm a little biased because I spent highschool listening to Retrospectives 2 instead of having sex. Everything else is proto or post.
>>219953164>between the wheelsBest Rush guitar solo.
>>219953102To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Meshuggah. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical listener's head
>>219953164Grace Under Pressure is a good album unlike Power Windows.
>>219953188Post your music.
>>219953223
>>219953236Im playing the alto here:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yOVGIPl-HNk&list=RDyOVGIPl-HNk&start_radio=1&pp=ygUnQmVya2xlZSBjb2xsZWdlIG9mIG11c2ljIGJyYXNzIGVuc2VtYmxloAcB
>>219953236I'm not gonna doxx myself. Besides, you plebeians wouldn't understand the brilliance.
>>219953207>>219953214You guys are alright. Didn’t know actual based people still posted here
Ive been reading this thread, and have come to the conclusion that drummers are whiny snobs
>I SAID, PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN, OR YOU'RE FIREDI think he went too hard on the poor kid, he's a drummer not a photographer. Also good luck finding Spider-Man in Manhattan.
>>219953316*jazz drummers are whiny snobs
>>219953316Drummers are the worst faggots. At least bassists know they're dogshit. You're literally a monkey banging on some cans. Shut the fuck up.
>>219953356spiderman if he real
>>219953236nta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0gQxWglP8&list=RD4u0gQxWglP8&start_radio=1
>>219953271This is so lame
>>219953363What did the drummer get on his IQ test?
>>219953420Anon said to himself while ignoring the music of the gods
>>219953316It's more an online thing. Irl we get along because we're rare and we've seen each other's dicks so there's no question of rank. Like you can tell both these guys arguing lick, like two indians arguing over whiteness.I'm okay, won a little here and there, spent my twenties gigging, never made much money, not sure where to insert myself in 202X. I mean, does anyone really need another drum cover vid?
>>219953271this reminds me of the credits in school of rock
>>219947059>WE NEED NOTES NOW>OH FUCK>SO MANY NOTES AAAGGGGHHH I HATE MY ART/CARFT IM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF
Thread's not quite my tempo
>>219953464>music of the godshttps://youtu.be/07YFIWL_XSI
>>219953483Write music dumbass
>>219953378>if he realWhat the fuck do you mean? Spider-Man is real.
>>219953271Imagine going to music school for drums just to play four on the floor
>>219953271I can imagine how insufferable all these faggots are
>>219953531Exactly right. I do, but I'm lazy. I started learning the other instruments and actual songcraft when I had a sobering realization; If these guys go big and my name isn't on the credits, then I am fucking John Rutsey, or Pete Best, or Al Sobronte Jr, or Willy Lopez, or first Blink drummer, or first Nirvana drummer, or...It's a horrifying fact of the industry that the last change any group makes before exploding is firing the drummer.
>>219953702You can do everything by yourself these days, the elephant in the room is having enough mics for your kit (and the interface to run them into) but everything else is eminently affordable.
>>219953764Mics is one thing, talent is another, and I never aspired to be an engineer. All of the engineers I've worked with were geniuses in their own right. I've paid dearly for not having the producer's bug. I just want to sit down, put my headphones on, and go, not spend a day moving a mic centimeters at a time or taping the light switches down because we're getting "a little rattle."
>>219953917>All of the engineers I've worked with were geniuses in their own rightNo man, they really aren’t. Theyre fussy people who learned the gear, that’s it. A lot of their neurotic over-preparedness is performative, so they look like “they really know what they’re doing”. The job has gotten easier and easier every decade, even having a physical mixing desk is a bit of a relic. You’re not recording a performance at the royal albert hall, it doesn’t have to be white glove test level immaculate. You’re selling yourself short.
>>219953917I am the same way, I hate being behind the computer. I honestly kind of hate the whole process of recording in general but I did 2 semesters of audio engineering and it sucks. But it's also expensive to hire a guy. Also I have no friends.
>>219954036You just don’t want it enough fren, be honest with yourself.
>>219953764You can get that shit for a couple hundred bucks. I've recorded records with the cheapest knock-off SM57s and a Behringer interface and it sounds fine. But you're not gonna make money off your shit. Gotta sell your soul for that like in Phantom of the Paradise.
>>219954080Honestly true, I have had bursts of energy where I can record proper, I have a Scarlett 4i4 and some sm58s, I just really don't have a good space for it and I suck at the actual mixing / producing side of it, the recording I guess is the easiest part but I still hate that too.
>>219954124Yeah that’s a viable recording setup for sure. You’re only half right about the selling your soul bit, but most people aren’t going to have the option/opportunity to do the right kind of networking, or the follow thru to be a writer/performer/producer/self-promoter. If you want to make money in music, you gotta get a big cowboy hat, write some songs and push them on people.
>>219947059I thought dancers counted to 8 and musicians always counted to 4?
>>219954134Have you ever learned anything about mixing? It’s one of those things that’s more complicated from an “information overload” perspective. Once you know the lay of the land it just defaults back to using your ears like anything else in music.
>>219954201Depends on your time signature, 4/4 is standard
>>219954007You're right. It's self sabotage. Thing is, its easy to run through the steps in my head, quite another when the red light is on. Fear of failure, or success. Both evil. Older you get, the less rewarding creative endeavors seem. Ah well, starting a project is slightly less risky than suicide. Thanks, you plus some other weird, weird music-related life happenings has inspired me.
>>219954276I like to just roll tape and grab the good take afterwards. Stopping and starting recording/playing is unnatural and really throws off most musicians.
>>219953271>he went to music schoolWhat do you do now?
>>219947738>>219953024The power fantasy is for boomers who all want to be the music coach
>>219954400I play with the Boston pops in between watching certified kino
>>219954400Suck cock under the Triborough bridge
>>219954317When I first started, it was with some really old heads who had that ethos. I wanted to punch in, but no, they wanted whole takes. I will give myself credit, I am a bit of a 3 or 4 take Jake, if not 1. I've never spent more than two days recording drums. That's why I envy the producer types because I'd love to Frankenstein some stuff, its just I run out of patience.
>>219954445Good, stay away from the Williamsburg bridge. That's OPs turf
>>219954438Boston pops is a pretty good gig desu
>>219954446Why would you make it harder on yourself than you have to? Elvis and the Beatles punched in, why can’t someone do the same 60 years later? That mentality is a product of old people who love the rock hagiography and dream of traveling back in time and working with Glyn Johns.
>>219954544So, with drums it can be hard to punch in. Like if I'm going out of a verse with a fill and there's a lot of cymbal wash and such, then there's no clean point to pick up from, I'm going to need that last crash to bleed naturally into whatever it is happens next. Also your whole energy ends up kinda, idk, stacatto. I saw their point. Then there's doing room recording with at least what will be THE bass take, if not also a guitar. That has to be done in one, of course.
>>219955038>with drums it can be hard to punch inLars begs to differ
>>219955209Yeah, when each cymbal has its own channel that problem goes away.
>>219955038Most DAWs have pretty helpful tools for “comping” takes together these days but admittedly it’s trickier with drums. As far as writing goes, lot of clever ways to write something that’s friendly to punching in. Even just some well placed rests.
>>219947059the point is it was all bullshit and he was in time but he made shit up to make him angry and drive him harder
>>219947059He was crafting brilliance within him. Low Value Male's wouldn't get it.
People who disliked this movie are either mid musicians who never attempted to be great and never had a breakdown at a rehearsal or faggots who dislike entertaining kino eben if it's a little bit exaggerated. Fletcher may be over the top, but I definitely saw bits of his behavior in both myself and others, not just among musicians too, but in many different professions. You get mad at people because they're good, but not good enough and fail to see it or correct it fast. Sure, maybe it's undervered or even wrong, but we are human and we snap.
>>219955883Just kidding Simmons will NEVER cornhole you bro
>>219955883You can't be a good musician without having a mental breakdown? News to me.
>>219951599Blisters, yes, bleeding, no. You have to be playing for like 36 hours straight for your hands to bleed. It doesn't happen. If it happened to you then you're a faggot with weak hands.
you will never see the words zoomers and discipline in the same sentence unless its prefaced by "dont understand"thas why zoomies dont understand this movie and have problem with an authoritarian figure telling them what to do
>>219956114More like you can't be good at anything unless you had a mental breakdown at least once.
>>219947059drumming CANNOT be this serious
>>219956272It's not
>>219956178Imagine thinking the only way to be disciplined is to practice like you hate yourself. Every time I practice I'm invigorated, not frustrated.
>>219956272jazz musicians absolutely take shit this seriously. Simmons' character is not an exaggeration, not really. Jazz musicians can be insanely mean, downright evil, crazy abusive. I experienced this first hand. It seems to happen with jazz guys specifically more then any other genre.
>>219956484Metal guys are so chill
>>219956178>muh zoomers!Raped. You're so raped. Grow up.
>>219956484Show me on the doll where the jazz man touched you
>>219956402And you will never be one of the greats.
>>219956522You have no idea who I am or how powerful my flugelhorn is
>>219956402You also spend time posting on /tv/, so I personally wouldn't use you as a good example.
>>219956522Practice doesn't discriminate. Practicing happy and practicing sad give you the same outcome. Practicing frustrated is worse than practicing relaxed.
>>219956573I'm eating dinner, I cannot physically practice drums right now.
>>219956626It takes two hands to play drums, if you can type with two hands to post here, you could be playing drums instead lazy bones
>>219956670I've practiced for like three hours today and I'm gonna practice guitar tonight dude I think I'm alright.
>>219956709What are you working on guitar bro? I think you should work on mutes, your fret hand is holding you back
>>219956733Wasted Years - Iron Maiden solo>you should work on mutes, your fret hand is holding you backYou mute with your picking hand baka
>>219956771>he doesn’t mute with both hands
>>219956831Mute what? It's pretty rare to have to mute something with your fretting hand.
>>219956883You’re kidding right? Entire genres are built around muting with your fret hand.
>>219956924What genres?
>>219956970Funk and Punk are two of them. If you’re unaware you should correct yourself because you’re obviously trash at rhythm guitar if you don’t know this.
>>219956924>>219956883Wtf is "muting"?
>>219947132Is Rocky worth watching if you have never boxed before?Really though, Whiplash seriously brought out the 'tism in Jazz musicians who were butthurt that it was a psychological thriller about a Faustian bargain, instead of a dry Jazz documentary. Watch the movie, it's fucking great.
>>219957000Okay well I don't play either>punkWhat? Isn't punk just power chords?
>>219957039When you rest your fingers (fret hand) or palm (pick hand) to dull/mute the fundamental of the note. Usually people like it for a percussive effect or use it to get bad notes out of the way. It can be a tidy way to slot into the groove.
>>219957107Couldn’t play either*
>>219957150I can't, I'm not a very good guitarist. I can't see any situation where you would use fret hand muting nearly as much as you use palm muting in metal desu.
>>219957187It’s unironically way more important in the left hand. You have much to learn.
>>219956883Not rare at all. Guitarists use both hands to mute strings.
>>219957214>it's much more important in the left handYeah no. Absolutely not for metal, which is what I'm interested in.>you have much to learnYeah? I've been playing drums five times longer than I have guitar.
>>219957247I guess this is just a metal centric view, but fret hand muting is used every now and then and palm muting is used in like every metal song ever. Other genres might be different, but not in metal.
>>219957255It absolutely is for metal, you’ve been misinformed and I pity you. >I’ve been playing drums five times longerGuitars are just drums with extra steps.
>>219957317>It absolutely is for metalSo you don't play metal is what you're saying. I can think of maybe two metal riffs I know that use fret hand muting, and hundreds that use palm muting. In metal fret muting is used for octaves and very occasionally for a percussive sound.
>>219957379Left hand muting is essential for anything where you’re playing with a really hot signal or you’re gonna get a ton of bad sound that you probably don’t bother to notice right now. If it makes you feel better, I’m arguing with you for your sake not mine.
>>219957407Oh you mean muting inactive strings to prevent unwanted noise? That makes sense, that's definitely important. I thought you meant picking muted strings.
Jazz has gotta be the most pretentious waste of musical talent there is. Learn a genre that actually sounds good ffs.
>>219957437Ok anon now catch up and see how that’s a fundamental skill for the instrument itself and that it’s absolutely insane to say it’s not something you need to learn better. If you get good at it, you can stay on a single chord for 5 minutes without people complaining.
>>219957519We were just talking past each other. You don't need to be such a prick about it.
>>219957449Can you rec me some music, I’m tired of jazz
>>2199575971990s Death
>>219957594That really isn’t how it went but you need to toughen up if you want to make it in this rap game. Your mom and I just want what’s best for you.
>>219957634Is picking muted strings a fundamental skill for playing guitar?
>>219957660Yes, muting strings is a foundational aspect of playing guitar and I’d be surprised if you found anybody who disagreed
>>219957688Picking muted strings. Not muting inactive strings. Picking muted strings. Is that a foundational aspect of guitar?
>>219957709See>>219956733
>>219957745The Wasted Years solo has approximately 0 muting
>>219957779Why are you learning solos? Surely you’re deconstructing what they’re doing musically while you learn it?
>>219957805Guitarists don't know music theory lol
>>219957847Anon, did you forget you’re a drummer
>>219957857Drummers know even less
>>219957893I hope you learned something anon, I only meant to help. You’re leaving a lot of easy pussy on the table by refusing to smarten up and play better.
>>219957805Telling a guitarist to not learn any solos is like telling an author to not read any books.
>>219957928Why do people feel entitled to give unsolicited advice? Let's be real, most guitarists know scales and chords and beyond that play it by ear. >You’re leaving a lot of easy pussy on the table by refusing to smarten up and play better.You think girls are motivation to play music lol? Women do not give a shit about your guitar playing haha
>>219957963It’s a really helpful thing when you can actually pick apart what they’re doing, otherwise you’re just inadvertently adding to your pile of go-to ideas. That’s not a bad thing but it’s not as productive as figuring out how your heroes think musically. Short of being able to deconstruct the solo, I’d only recommend someone do it for fun. And if anon said that it would’ve been valid.
>>219957928Anon when a guitarist doesn't use Schenkerian analysis for an Iron Maiden solo
>>219957973>do you need music to get girlsNo but why turn down the built-in perks? Anyways, why do something half assed? If you enjoy it, fine, but it’s just you protecting your ego if you’re trying to say this hobby is worth spending time on but it’s not worth doing it well.
>>219958028>what they're doingShreddy licks and scale runs in E minor. that's all there is to that solo haha
>>219958082See? Now that’s productive time spent. You’re one step closer to writing your very own Iron Maiden song.
>>219958064When did I say I was half-assing it? Have you considered the possibility that you're just an asshole? Post your guitar playing anon. It better be good.
>>21995759770's Prog Rock. It actually incorporated lessons from jazz without disappearing up its own ass into stagnant self-masturbation like Jazz proper.
>>219958158>tell anon how to get better>he gets madI’m your friend here, no need to be upset
>>219958172Gimme 10 can’t miss albums
>>219958193You're not my guitar teacher anon
>>219958028I agree, but you literally asked him why he's learning solos. Sure, an actually good guitarist should be able to come up with his own solos, but there is always value in learning any kind of music, whether is a boomer pentatonic solo or a mind-expanding Holdsworth lick.
>>219958236I know, I’m not your real dad either
>>219958028There's like nothing to deconstruct in an Iron Maiden solo anon, this is not Tristan und Isolde
>>219958252You’re right anon
>>219958261Still haven't posted your guitar playing
>>219958294You should be able to figure out how to do something new but derivative of the solo at least. You’re crazy if you think memorization is better than synthesizing the info on some appropriate level.
>>219958322Neither have (You)
>>219957597Bach. The answer is always Bach.>I already know some Bach. Should I learn more?YES!Ever played Badinerie in B minor on electric guitar? It's rad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjnQPHFgJTs
>>219947517>you don't get that from overexerting yourself, you do it by slowly ramping up.You are handycapping yourself. Science tm says that playing faster is better to learn. You actually learn when you make mistakes, because correcting the mistake gives you dopamine.You should be playing at a speed that makes you miss at least 5% of the notes. If you need to go above 100% speed to force that 5% of mistaken notes, you should overdo the speed.Playing slow to create muscle memory, is only good at the beginning. Then you must go crazy with speed just to force mistakes.
>>219958353You're the one trying to speak with authority.
>>219958363Went thru the cello suites on guitar forever ago, is this worth?
>>219958387Mental exertion is good. Physical exertion isn't.
>>219958395Hey, you’re right anon.
>>219958326And you think I don't know that? You're giving advice like I'm some sort of helpless drooling retard anon
>>219958459You didn’t know that guitar players mute with both hands my man. Day 1 stuff.
>>219958469We already went over that. We were talking past each other.
>>219958401Bach is always worth it.
>>219958511If you say so anon. I’m really just in this to educate you and judging by how defensive you’re being, I’ve succeeded in getting you to be more mindful about your studies.
>>219958549You've changed nothing, and you're a condescending asshole who needs to be taken down a peg.Since you're so learned in music, why don't you present me a musical analysis of Mahler's 9th symphony?
>>219958580Hey, I know you won’t admit it, but I’ve helped you here. If you don’t pay it forward, your drums won’t tune right ever again.
>>219958602What's it like to go through life with this big of an ego?
>>219958426You wont die for playing 20% faster while you practice 40 minutes a day, fatso.
>>219958630It’s fun
>Musicfags pretending their hobby is hardcore or difficult Never had the makings of a varsity athlete. Basically the Bear chef LARPERS come to life
>>219958642Alright then, why don't you practice until your hands bleed and then try to practice more the next day?
>>219958679If I stream it will you watch
>>219958630NTA but he’s right, work on your fret hand.
>>219958869Gee I had no idea what I was going to practice, but now you come in and tell me to work on using my hands better on the guitar. Thanks for that advice! I was just going to pick all open strings before that, now I know what to do!
>>219958932You’re welcome youngblood
>>219958224Just to keep it to the "Greatest Hits" of prog rock that broke into the mainstream to give you an intro into the most popular stuff before you get into deeper cuts:>Roundabout, Close to the Edge, Tormato, and The Yes Album by Yes>In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson>Aqualung and Living in the Past by Jethro Tull>Tarkus by Emerson Lake and Palmer>Moving Pictures by Rush>In Search of the Lost Chord by the Moody Blues
>>219959478Wow this list sucks, I know you mean well but come on. Gimme some deeper cuts.
>>219959612>It's popular therefore it's badPeak Jazzfag logic.
>>219959638I’ve heard all of those anon.
>>219959660Then you know enough about prog rock to delve into it yourself, you don't need an intro.
>>219959794I just wanted to know, don’t you understand?
>>219947059>"Why do you want to destroy your life over drumming?" >"I want to be remembered like the genius Nigger McFuckshit." >nobody outside of jazz redditors even know who Nigger McFuckshit even was Was Neiman retarded?
>>219960152>knee manHis name was Footfag in the original script but the production company demanded they change it
>>219947059Im so glad AI is replacing music fagsSuch a pretentious group
>ITT>He was practicing drums wrongWell no shit. The movie implies he's a prodigy in his own right, in addition to being obsessive to the point of psychosis, just like Simmons is a good scout for talent and also a psychotic abuser. The music was just the medium about two psychopaths meeting face to face and pushing each other to the brink in pursuit of their unattainable desire for perfection.
>>219960443This anon is gay
