Why does Sisko get a pass on being woke?
>>219962440He gets berated for it and eventually caves and helps the holodeck character, that's why.
rule of cool
>>219962440Hands on what? Butt, butt
He was a working man running the nightshift of a galactic bus station, no woke in the Greyhound washrooms
>>219962440Because Star Trek teaches us racism is a good thing. He can be as woke as he wants
>>219962440Woke ehhh?Did you watch the episode where millions of refugees show up, fuck up the station, act like entitled assholes, start fights, demand free land and show no thanks for the help they've been given so the Bajorans end up telling them to fuck off because they realize they'll fuck up their planet if they let them stay?
because DS9 is beloved by trannies
>>219962440he's not?
>>219962440It's weird, I can't quite explain it. That episode Far Beyond the Stars is 100% woke in every sense of the word, literally an episode about muh racism and white cops shooting an unarmed black man etc, but it works and it's one of my favorite episodes
>>219962440I suppose it's the situation. He's dealing with ((Bajorans)) on one side and lizard-Nazis on the other. He has to be woke to settle the extremism around him.
>>219962779Because it’s so retarded and over the top it doesn’t feel manipulative. It feels like Boondocks episode
>>219962779It's well shot and fun to see everyone out of makeup. You also get some really great Avery Brooks ham near the end.
>>219962779Brooks going bananas is funny.
>>219962887That's a good point, everybody is sort of a caricature in that episode, they're not making profound statements about about fascism while mentioning someone called Tonald Drump and then looking at the camera and winking
>>219962440His black panther shit was also annoying and I tend to skip those scenes. He's my least favorite captain for a reason (ignoring nu trek).
>>219962440He doesn’t. Derp Space Nein isn’t and never was real Star Trek. It was Ira Behr’s middle finger to Roddenberry. Proto-Kurtzman filth. I especially love how Sisko kept whining about a Holographic program for race reasons a hundred years after Uhura told Abraham Lincoln that she wasn’t offended by the word Negress because they put that all behind them even more hundreds of years ago.
>>219962604But that's based I thought?
>>219962440because he wanted to gas civs.
>>219962440Star Trek itself wrote the book on forced diversity and some the culture warriors love it
>>219962440>this retarded brainlet zoomer dipshit thread again #1359173458Not all black characters are "woke". It's a waste of fucking time to explain it any more to you because it's already been explained thousands of times on this board and if you're too stupid to understand then you don't deserve engagement.
>>219962887I enjoyed it for being a look into that silly 40s-60s sci fi era of people like Clarke and Asimov, where they'd have like 1 good prophetic idea to every 9 goofy anachronisms.
>>219964077IIRC Sisko had a fetish for 20th/21st century Earth history which probably colored his vision.
>>219964077>after Uhura told Abraham Lincoln that she wasn’t offended by the word Negress because they put that all behind them even more hundreds of years ago.I bet the actress bitched about it.She bitched about NASA not lowering standards to let blacks go into space, and she only starred in the nerd show because Martin Luther King Jr insisted on it.
>>219964077>aargh it's real in my heeaadsorry tranny not reality
>>219965974NTA, but that did happen in the show. He hates the Vic Fontaine holo-lounge because black people would have never been allowed as customers before everyone around him tells him to stop being a buzzkill.
>>219965658Forced diversity was better back then. They refuse to meet anyone halfway, it's like they only want negative reactions.
>>219965658It was over the top activism. For the most part the minorities were just kind of there and not every episode needed to be a finger wagging moment. Also this>>219966066They picked more attractive people.
forget "woke", In the Pale Moonlight is probably DS9 at its most fucked up solely because it presented the entire thing as>heh, CIA glowniggery is freakin AWESOME and BADASSit meets Sisko's guilt maybe half-way and does affirm that the actions he had to take was ultimately correct and tragically for the greater good which would have been fine, but it goes beyond it and portrays it as almost celebratory.
>>219966036And it's a stupid forced element that not only doesn't fit with the rest of the series, it doesn't fit with the franchise as a whole.
>>219964077Gene Roddencuck was a hack who only got into sci fi so he could live out his free-love futurism lifestyle with other receptive swingers. Good for him, bad for quality science fiction. TOS was always bad and TNG only got good when he died. DS9 was great for its first five, maybe five and a half seasons before Ira's neural pathways choked out on maximal progleftism and he decided to wipe everything off the game board with a scowl of contempt like Satan in that Mark Twain cartoon.
>>219966177>heh, CIA glowniggery is freakin AWESOME and BADASSIt did no such thing you addlepated polbrain. The only mistake made was that the end of the series has him turning into space energy so it gets out of the responsibility of actually trying him for war crimes which he flat out admits he deserves.
>>219966036... and he gets told to stop being such a retarded nigger about it like ten seconds laterWhat's the point here
>>219966378>Gene Roddencuck was a hack who only got into sci fi so he could live out his free-love futurism lifestyle with other receptive swingers. Good for him, bad for quality science fiction.What good scifi was out before star trek? In either television or film. I'm pretty sure it predates 2001.
Imagine still being obsessed with American slavery in the 24th century. The US doesn't even exist anymore in-universe.
"but I did have breakfast" he thought to himself
>>219966662Gene disavowed TOS at TNG's release because it wasn't his vision.
same reason we enjoy other shows with black people pre obama pre 2010s, obama era ruined race relations. the people in charge of writing the shows dont know how to be subtle or indirect when writinghaving people of color in a show isnt badwhat people dislike is white characters being replaced by non whites or men being replaced by women.
>>219966662Forbidden Planet feels a bit like star trek.
>>219966378> Gene Roddencuck was a hack who only got into sci fi so he could live out his free-love futurism lifestyle with other receptive swingers. Good for him, bad for quality science fictionNothing even remotely similar to TOS and Gene’s TNG has ever existed. It’s completely unique and nobody has replicated it because they don’t understand it. Humans aren’t supposed to act like humans in Trek. Their behavior is supposed to be almost bizzare. Not even saying that it’s a good thing, it’s an idea only a hippie.could come up with. But the Gene parts of trek never managed to influence other sci-fi really
>>219962440bump
>>219970658>>219962440No he wasn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWMUUAMVEnM
>>219962440>Why does Sisko get a pass on being woke?Not being woke helps him a lot
>>219962440How is he fucking woke? He's almost as racist as Janeway.
>>219962440Black isn't his defining character trait until the pulp fiction episodes and >>219962484 this episode.
>>219965914>coloredGottem
>>219970957imagine what would happen if it learned about a Negro with a typewriter. Run for the hills! It's the end of civilisation.
>>219962440all black israelites get a pass
>>219962440Because his character elevates the greatness of Gul Dukat (PWBUH)
>>219962779it was the 90s, hollywood just knew how to make good entertainment back then
>>219966066>>219966166>They picked more attractive people.I think it's funny how the Nu-Trek writers listened to the arguments of fans that said, "Why would Starfleet have obese fat people? They need to be fit to go on missions!" But instead of making positive changes, the writers just said, "This obese character is a hologram. Therefore she can't and doesn't need to lose weight. Holograms aren't affected by fitness standards. She can run just as much as her classmates." Lmao. It's like the Nu-Trek missed the point entirely.
>>219962887That's the only episode of DS9 I skipped. Got about a minute into the 1950s part and could see where it was headed.
>>219965958LOL. MLKj only came into the picture when she was thinking about leaving the show because Roddenberry was using her as a jungle fever cum rag. She got the job in the first place due to Gene wanting some blackberry juice. Only then was she famous enough for MLKj to know who she was and to pressure her to stay on despite having been a white man's cum dumpster.
>>219971748If you were a hologram, why would you want to look like THAT?
>>219971748We're in a weird era right now where writers are dealing with the past two decades of actors getting fat part way through a show's run. Pre-2000, actors knew to take drugs to kill their appetite or amp their metabolism. It's why so many actresses smoked. That went away for a while and writers would have to deal with a character being 50 lbs heavier than the previous season. With Ozempic and related drugs, it's just a matter of time before actors consistently manage their weight or get replaced. Those who don't want to take it won't publicly be fired for it, they just still find their ability to win roles increasingly difficult.
>>219972109>We're in a weird era right now We're basically in a transition era now where woke wrlorkers are losing power and getting phased out.Companies are posting huge financial losses, and are laying off tens of thousands of workers. These companies need to make money to stay alive. They can't afford to pander to woke anymore. Plus "woke" is considered old now. It's been around since 2014 and people are sick of it. Woke isn't trendy anymore. We have a few woke writers and franchises desperately trying to hang out for dear life. Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings to name a few. But they know their time is short. Star Wars is desperately trying to appeal to boys again. And Kurtzman is on his way out at Star Trek. Some of the Strange New Worlds writers gave Trek convention interviews where they said the new bosses at Paramount directly ordered them to cut out the woke stories, and to give SNW a traditional story. She admitted that they are desperately trying to keep their ideas alive while being suppressed. These woke writers are like cockroaches. They need to be smashed and thrown out. They don't want to leave.
>>219972285>These woke writers are like cockroaches. They need to be smashed and thrown out. They don't want to leaveThis, it's not about profits for people who got hired based on their connections and devotion to the cause. They're running every artistic medium now because liberal arts colleges are indoctrination camps.I wrote a pretty good novel and got a lot of feedback from agents saying "love it but it'll never sell." The manuscript buyers at publishing houses set woke quotas and won't let anything else through.
>>219962779Because it knows to make it's wokeness believable, it has to be a period piece. It's obviously also a commentary on people's (primary the studio's) reaction to Sisko, but it knows better than to look directly at the audience and autisticly scream THESE PEOPLE IN CURRENT YEAR ARE RACIST. It understands that metaphor is more powerful.The crew worked to make people enjoy Sisko based on his merits, so having an episode 6 seasons in being a commentary on how the studio and some fans didn't give him a chance because they are racist is fine. If the creatives were retarded and had a terrible black character and they immediately did the same episode as a gotcha for people daring criticize it, it would have been terrible.That's why it works.
>>219962440because hes clearly mentally deranged, cant act and everyones too scared to say anything.
>>219971941The racist white cops who step on Sisko’s drawing are pretty funny >>219972093She’s got a lot of bloatware
>>219966528>What's the point hereHe shouldn't even be thinking about it much less getting angry. It's the equivalent of you refusing to enter a grocery store because in prehistoric times, your caveman ancestor got hit with a rock in that spot.
>>219972093thats dumb. even in a world with perfect health, youd still have humans who want to fuck fatties, or want to look like fatties, so there will always be a reason for fatties to exist. i literally grew up with someone who was a literal 10/10 who could fuck 3 chicks a night if they wanted, and they STILL went for fatties. shiiieeeeet if i was a commander on one of these ships id roll around in a wheelchair and pretend my legs didnt work to assert dominance and be a pain in the fucking ass, just because.you cant convince me there wouldnt be shit like that out there when its canon for these guys to want to fuck weird bug creatures with no identifiable human traits
>>219970957>woke>racistIsn't that the essence of being woke? Embrace your racial identity (unless you're white) and keep the cultures safely apart (unless you're white, then you have to let them in). And racial discrimination is okay too as long as it is against a race that is collectively guilty for one reason or another.
>>219976179No, there's no definition of woke, the "people" who use that term derisively are stupid enough that it doesn't need one.
>>219976008>even in a world with perfect health, >youd still have humans who want to fuck fattiesYour words make no sense. In a world of perfect health, obese people wouldn't exist. They would be normal sized.
>>219976256It's not a made up right wing term. Some American progressives used to call themselves woke for a while. It quickly became a label for anything both left wing and stupid though.
>>219962440based black man, simple as
>>219962440No one watched his show and it killed Star Trek.
>>219976312>it has to exist, in their current time, for someone to want to fuck itdo i REALLY need to post the image of shadow and sonic the hedgehog, fused together as one into a living toilet, where sonics mouth is the toiletbowl and some fat guys about to fuck sonics mouth to prove to you that people will jerk off to/and want to fuck shit, that DOES NOT EXIST?even if we entertain the idea that "it has to exist to fuck", there are other people, and other alien species BESIDES the federation, and so fat people or things that look fat WOULD STILL EXIST RIGHT THEN.and someone would want to FUCK it
I like Sisko
>>219976666Me too. Nice quads
>>219962779It works for the same reason picrel works in the pre-Woke 50's era, despite the fact it perpetuates the obvious 'skin deep' lie:https://thecensorshipfiles.wordpress.com/volume-1/issue-1/judgment-day/This is basically the TV version.
>>219976606Fetishes only exist if someone sensitive is exposed to it (usually as a child). If no one is fat, then a fat fetish wouldn't exist.
Star Trek was always liberal it just wasn't retarded slop for the Tiktok generation.
>>219977289great. well, since theres holodecks and they learn this thing called "history", its very plausible, trivial, laughably trivial to have met and interacted with a hologram of a fat person and be familiar with the concept. captain kirk literally recognizes abraham lincoln, anon. in an episode from 1969.any other retarded takes you wanna make
It trips me out that people can watch Star Trek for decades and not process critically that the entire franchise is woke as fuck. People are more stupid than you think. They think fucking Picard or Janeway would agree with your average grifter. Its hilarious.
>>219976008>even in a world with perfect health, youd still have humans who want to fuck fattiesOkay but they wouldn't be in Starfleet. Everyone is fit.>>219977993>great. well, since theres holodecks Not every ship has a holodeck. In fact, Kirk's never had a holodeck. The Defiant never had one either.Holodecks didn't exist until the Enteprise D during Picard's generation. They are power hungry behemoths. And only reserved for larger and latest ships.You could get a posting on a smaller ship like a Miranda and not have a holodeck.
>>219978070>WokeStar Trek had a mix of liberal and conservative values. They were liberal in believing that everyone in the Federation can serve gets basic access to food and medical care. And they have the chance to apply and serve in Starfleet.They were conservative in that the Federation believes in a strong military, they want to colonize planets, and they believe less advanced species needed to be slowly guided by the Superior Federation. Also Refugees need to obey Federation rules or get kicked out. Which HAS happened several times. Like when Picard forcibly relocated the Native Americans off their planet and threanted to use force. Or when Sisko ordered refugees to specific planet and told them they couldn't stay on DS9 and Bajor. That the refugees needed to build their own society and stop relying on the Federation for help.
>>219976256Same thing you said about SJW, which was also a label you wore proudly until it became a pejorative due to your actions. You can keep coming up with new words and then disavowing them when they come to mean exactly what you are, but none of that will ever change that people simply don't like you, regardless of what new label you come up with and then abandon.
>>219962604>Dibs me dat (for free)I always wonder what the writers intended by this episode. It's one of those "it's true, but you shouldn't say it"kind of things, and you wouldn't expect some random TV show to be so candid about refugees. Or were you actually supposed to feel sorry for them? They're so disgusting. They can't be exterminated quickly enough.
>>219978147doesn't matter, they have the means to display video and pictures, and are obviously taught history. they would learn about fat people. probably true that no fat people would be allowed on deck as crewmembers, but they beam up random people all the time, and entities like data dont need to conform to regular fit/healthy human ideals. some dude could make a fat data analog just to be a dick ( gotta keep you warm put in the vacuum of space, sonny boy, gonna build you like a polar bear! covered in FAT). all you need to do is make up some random plot line like>woah we fell into a time anomaly warp zone>we woke up in 1950s Hawaii and met elvis!>and one of the crew members fell in love with some fat obese maori in the meantime>welp cant bring her home>guess ill make a memory of her, a hologram to wank to later onbam. done. got a fat hologram onto deck in just 5 lines. ezy pzy.
>>219978251Anon, the feds believe in no military and instead have an armed research and exploration arm called Starfleet. They colonize empty worlds and have a strict non-interference doctrine called the Prime Directive, you fake as a two-dollar bill. Also, refugees always have to obey the laws of the nation they flee to; that's not a conservative thing. Furthermore, Sisko does not have the authority to command a society; he can't paint the station without approval. He has to run this shit up the chain.
>>219978584>armed research and exploration arm called Starfleet.It's a military. They even have military ranks.It's a military with a science department that has extra funding.>Sisko does not have the authority to command a societyHe is their literal Messiah from their gods. Yes he does have the authority.
>>219962440The quality of the writing.
>>219978882It's not a military because they don't have military powers within the federation outside of wartime. They can't even build warships without special permission from the government. The ranks don't make them a military; the authority and the mission do. Trust and believe, if Starfleet moves wrong around the wrong world, even within their borders, they will meet the real military of that world, which many, many worlds continue to maintain long after joining. Even the Vulcans still have a standing military.
>>219962779It worked because it's not real
>>219979072>It's not a military because they don't have military powers within the federation outside of wartime.They literally have forced entire populations to move from their planets under threat of force.>They can't even build warships without special permission from the government. Starfleet has thousands of ships already and continue building more. They don't need special permission.
>>219971024>Black isn't his defining character traitIt is pretty much
>>219978584>fake as a two-dollar bill.Anon has never been to the racetrack
>>219979207Yeah. These were sanctioned police actions within the federation, not military operations. I don't make the rules; I just know them. Also, Starfleet has hundreds of ships, most of which would fold like a lawn chair if they ran into a real warship. There is a reason pirates are still a thing in Trek. Most of their ships are not built to fight. >>219979326Do they still make these? I have not seen one since I was a kid.
>>219979397It's honestly a little surprising that you're unaware of them, but I suppose it makes more sense if you personally never deal in cash. They're uncommon but not at all unheard of. They're still in print, if you order small amounts of cash for a small business from a bank via armored car delivery, you can literally order a stack of $2 bills just like anything else (although of course the penny has gone away).
>>219979397Yeah, I've only seen them in circulation at the track but you can ask for them at your bank.
>>219962440Equality of Opportunity and Equality of Outcome are too very different concepts.
>>219979397>These were sanctioned police actions within the federation, not military operations. I don't make the rules; I just know them.Sisko literally dropped a poison bomb in the atmosphere of a planet and threatened to genocide the entire planet of they didn't leave immediately. Starfleet didn't sanction it.
>>219971272unfathomably based
>>219979546Starfleet sanctioned him to enforce the legal treaty that the federation had signed with cardassia. He didn't genocide anyone, he just ensured that only legal residents remained on the planet. The maquis were illegals.
>>219979624>The maquis were illegals.You are misremembering the story. The Residents of that planet were legal. The issue was that Sisko was tired of chasing the Maquis. They were too good.So Sisko threatened to genocide every human Starfleet planet unless the Maquis leader surrendered.
>>219979397Strip clubs and betting places use them. Basically the idea is you'll wanna spend them all at the club after withdrawing them because if the wife finds one they know where youve been.
>>219979685>every human Starfleet planet They weren't human or Starfleet planets. That's why Sisko could get away with such extreme methods. And not for nothing but Sisko got the idea of poisoning the atmosphere from Eddington who was doing the same shit to cardassian populations.
>>219962440because hes the best captain
>>219981338>Federation globohomo >bajoran brainwashing machine>”yes… I understand… it wasn’t a largely peaceful military occupation with most deaths attributable to the resistance that lifted our society of zealotry and irrelevance, it was a rape and genocide”
Because he’s a based commander that will wipe out planets with poison torpedoes to hunt a single man that betrayed his trust
