Yes.

>>219973495
>starslop
grow up

>>219973495
there literally has to be clones in the prequals. one of the few things that's explicitly mentioned in the OT is that Obi Wan and Anakin fought in the clone wars and that Anakin was a pilot

>>219973595
Goywars

>>219973655
So why couldn't the clones be the forces used by the seperatists?

>>219973669
they could be. idk why lucas did it the way he did but in the first star wars film they explicitly mention
>the clone wars
one of the fan theories is that obi wan has a retarded name and is also called ben kenobi is because either obi wan was a clone or ben was a clone or the character from the first movie who dies is obi wan who is a clone of ben and he's going by the originals name or something. cause most of the names in the first film are normal names

>>219973495
women with overdeveloped abs are gross

>>219973495
>no visible camel toe
why would you even bother drawing coombait without going all in

>>219974115
that's a drawing
>b-but
of a feminized guy

>>219973655
>clone wars
The clone wars could have been named so because the galactic republic and the confederate systems started fighting over control of Kamino for their advanced cloning technology, Kamino would have been the spark that started the galactic civil war after years mounting tensions between the two sides, neither side wanting the other to control Kamino for fear that clone soldiers would turn the tide if battle against them.

>>219973495
Why?

>>219973669
>relatively small separatist faction uses cloning technology to create armies of supersoldiers
>republic struggles to form a coherent military due to Senate political fuckery
>individual planets begin forming local militaries
>republic begins to fracture under splintered military organization
>palpatine uses this chaos to secure himself emergency powers and force universal conscription
>enlists the help of the jedi order to consolidate power in the new republic army
>betrays them once they've outlived their usefulness
But no, clones vs. robot army

>>219974467
Imagine a second American Civil War and how the devastation and loss of life would leave a lasting cultural and societal scar on the nation afterwards. Now imagine instead 90% of the fighting was Elon Musk's robots versus illegal immigrants, and how little of a fuck the average person would care when a battle results in 999,999,999 deaths

>>219974505
Anon made Prequels make sense, giving it political deep and be an actual cool plot, sadly anon doesn't reign over Disney.

>>219973495
Youre right. The clone army was a dumb idea. Cloners should have been secretly cloning politicians and generals and leaders, then using them to start wars that benefit them. Clone armies of storm troopers is very silly. Compromised leaders waging wars for a subversive faction of cloners is interesting and topical.

Why are we at war with Iran? Iraq? Syria?

>>219973495
everything in the prequels undermines the prequels

>>219974505
Exactly this.
The clone wars is way more dynamic and the republic's militarization is far more natural id the clones are used my the seperatists. Hell ad political intrigue by making it so that the seperatists seceded because the republic outlawed cloning because they saw it as a civil rights concern where people were making literal slaves.

>>219974505
Isnt that already what happens? I haven't watched the prequels in a while, so I could be wrong.

>Separatists make robot army bc cheap
>Senate can't get planets to cooperate and form a solid military
>Senate hires Kenoshaians to make Clone Army
>Clones more expensive, but better than robots
>Senate uses Jedi to "keep the peace"
>Palpetine gains power
>Kills Jedi once he is chancellor

>>219975364
Your first two points are correct, but
>Senate hires Kenoshaians to make Clone Army
No, Obi-Wan just shows up and the Kaminoians apparently got an order for an army capable of waging a galactic war like a decade ago and have been building it ever since
>Senate uses Jedi to "keep the peace"
This was one of those things that just kind of happened, where the Jedi end up serving this role as generals for seemingly no reason
>Palpetine gains power
>Kills Jedi once he is chancellor
Series of events went
>Palp becomes supreme chancellor
>get emergency powers
>gives thumbs up to clone army (that was already made)
>several years of war
>separatists get defeated
>Palp betrays Jedi
>tells Senate "oh btw I'm Emperor for life k thx'

>>219974505
this shit makes absolutely no sense and you're fucking retarded
>relatively small separatist faction uses cloning technology to create armies of supersoldiers
and? do they use it to attack core worlds? because usually separatists just want to control their own part of land, not the whole country. in that case they'd be called rebels

>republic struggles to form a coherent military due to Senate political fuckery
>individual planets begin forming local militaries
>republic begins to fracture under splintered military organization
do they form them to attack the seps on behalf of the republic? why would they? I assume they don't want to secede with their armies, because you explicitly wrote "military organization"

>palpatine uses this chaos to secure himself emergency powers and force universal conscription
how would he secure it? through the senate? but you've just establised that they can't solve that question, why would they grant emergency powers to someone with a strong position on that issue? I don't see how else would he get these powers outside of an outright coup

>enlists the help of the jedi order to consolidate power in the new republic army
>betrays them once they've outlived their usefulness
why would they help him? and how would he betray them? in the movies he can just order his mindless clones to kill them and come up with an excuse later, but how would he convince anyone to kill/outlaw them in your headcanon?

>>219975660
I'm sorry Anon, I presumed I didnt need to lay out every detail in my 73 word, off-the-cuff plot pitch

>>219975660
Nta but you're missing the forest for the trees in desperate attempt to make the robots vs clone shit seem as if it's necessary. It's really easy to make this work if we just use the American Civil war as a template.
>Trade Federation create clones as cheap slave labor for their security forces and manual work.
>This gives tge TF and wordls allied with them an unfair edge in economics and military
>Republic outlaws cloning calling it a rights issue as slavery is illegal but it's more in retaliation on the TF since slaves don't pay taxes and undercut the core world's corporations
>TF and its allies secede because they still wanna use clones ans have a military to hold their territories.
>Naboo is within seperatist territory but refuses to secede as it relies on Republic trade
>Seperatists blockade world worrying it could be a staging ground for the republic if they every try to reunify the Galaxy
>This creates the catalyst for the clone wars
>One Naboo is formally invaded the Republic goes ahead and drafts every one in fighting age and the war begins
>Years of fighting an conscription makes the republic a militarized authoritarian dictatorship leading to the rise of the empire.
You can even keep a lot of concepts from the prequels like Palpatine organizing the whole thing and the Jedi blindly defending the republic and it'd play out much better than the shit we got while also naturally showing the effects of the war and the progression of the Republic into an empire. Also we don't get the retarded retcon that the Empire just stopped using clones for no good reason.

>>219973669
>jedi constantly cutting people in half = R-Rating
>jedi constantly cutting robots in half and occasionally people = pg13-rating

>>219973669
No epic plot-twist with Stormtroopers predecessors being a good guys.

>>219973495
>the republic using clone soldiers completely undermines the prequels?
how does it do that?

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>>219973495

Yes, yes you are.

>>219973669

The whole point was that the Republic made a Faustian bargain by accepting use of what essentially amounted to a slave army to combat the threat of the Separatists (it's expressly stated in Phantom Menace that slavery was outlawed in the Republic so this was a MASSIVE moral compromise) and that the entire galaxy paid dearly for it as it gave Palpatine, as Supreme Chancellor and commander-in-chief, the final tool he needed to enslave all of them.

>>219974198

Personally, I think it would have been better if the Clone Wars had started out as a regional conflict that spiraled out of control over the span of a decade and that the Republic only resorted to use of clone soldiers when it was on the verge of total defeat to better sell the idea of a deal with the devil. It always irked me how there was no objection from the Jedi to the use of an army of biological abominations as an affront to their most deeply-held beliefs. That lack of pushback would have made more sense if they were already on the brink and felt that they had no choice.

>>219977647
If the whole point of the greater prequel story is the fall of the republic, having its populace essentially entirely uninvolved in the war is a retarded way to go about it. What makes more sense for a story about the rise of fascism?
>in times of war, the population is convinced to make sacrifices of freedom for the greater good
or
>idk the war is causing suffering offscreen i guess but 99.9% of combat is done by disposable clones no one cares about

>>219977936
My nigger, the guy they cloned was a born warrior who was happy to be a soldier.

>>219977195
Thr clones don't need to be human. They could have been any sort of alien that bled green goo. Jedi chopped up Geonosians with no problem.

>>219977936
Hoe does yhe faustian bargain not work if the people of the republic become the very thing they are fighting? They become interchangeable obediant cogs in a military no different than the clones they would be fighting.

>>219974115
what are things dyels say for $500 alex

>>219978595
you took roids and are attracted to male features now because in response to the extra testosterone your estrogen levels increased.

your balls will stop producing testosterone btw and you'll be on TRT forever

>>219973669
Why would they be? What difference would it make?
The Clone Wars was a fake forever war where both sides were pawns anyway

>>219977936
not only is it not a faustian bargain it's not a bargain at all anon. they're just given the troopers and there's no future negative established to accepting them.

it's also not established they're slaves, since they're programmed clones their servitude is probably voluntary. also calling the guys who essentially have a de facto monopoly on violence slaves is nonsensical in any case

>>219978917
Because it's a lot less believable a society would become a militaristic empire when the last great conflict literally had no civilians fighting in it. Kinda hard for the empire to ask
>yo become life long conscripts!
After a 3 year conflict where everyone sat on their asses while clones and robots did all the work.

>>219973495
Well they said Obi Wan fought in the clone wars in episode 4 so that had to have clones to fight in a war

>>219979270
Good job not reading any of the thread

>>219973495
yes because you are retarded

>>219979037
the future negative is obviously that they are not a part of the body politic
calling them slaves is more accurate than not, they were created, modified, and trained to be soldiers
of course none of them are going to quit and start a bakery or something else

>>219973655
They easily could have said it was the Khlone wars against some barbaric alien tribal race called the Khlone.

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>>219978139
>literally bred and raised from infancy to be soldiers
>don't get any choice in the matter
>regarded as so disposable that they're genetically engineered to have only around half of a normal human lifespan, so any clone who objected to or was regarded as unfit for the rigors of life as a soldier was presumably disposed of like trash

Anakin Skywalker was a less of a slave at ten years old than your average clone trooper. At least he understood the concept of freedom, even if it was out of his reach.

>>219979037
>there's no future negative established to accepting them.

Except you know, the massive slippery slope they're going down.

>If we can use genetically engineered slaves to fight our wars, why not use them to build our Death Star (they actually used Wookies, but you get the idea)?

>it's also not established they're slaves, since they're programmed clones their servitude is probably voluntary.

They're made to fight without appropriate compensation, without any contractual end to their term of service, and without any means of recourse if they don't want to participate. That's pretty unambigiously slavery. The fact that they were genetically tampered with to not even grasp their state of existence only makes it worse.

>also calling the guys who essentially have a de facto monopoly on violence slaves is nonsensical in any case

Niggerwhat

>>219978756
>roids
0 for 2 there bud
stay dyel

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>>219979046
>After a 3 year conflict where everyone sat on their asses while clones and robots did all the work.

Not a 1-1 comparison but "depoliticization" has been a core element of the decline (and de facto collapse) of democracy in Russia over the last 30 years. Basically, until 2022, Putin went out of his way to enforce an unwritten social contract of giving the Russian public creature comforts and moderate improvements in quality of living in exchange for their ignoring his dealing with oligarchs and wars of aggression overseas that ultimately make Russia as a nation poorer. Even since the invasion of Ukraine began, the Russian government has bent over backwards to avoid inconveniencing the population of Russia's largest cities (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, etc.), hence the intentional neglect and economic coring out of the more rural oblasts as well as the (often coerced) recruitment of African and Asian migrants into the army despite their lack of qualifications/enthusiasm for the cause.

>>219980838
>core element of the decline (and de facto collapse) of democracy in Russia
>democracy in Russia
Hahahahahahaahaha oh wait you're serious? Saying Russia is a democracy is like saying North Korea is a Democratic Republic. The Soviet Union may have fell but that didn't really change how authoritarian the Russian Federation was and has been.

>>219973495
No? The war isn't important.
What's important is how the jedi got fucked.

>>219982826
By being complete retards that couldn't see the most obvious betrayal in the history of obvious betrayals coming?

>>219980429
>so any clone who objected to or was regarded as unfit for the rigors of life as a soldier was presumably disposed of like trash
99

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>>219973495
>DOOD WHAT IF CLONE TROOPER BUT....LE FEMALE???
>"okay, we'll make a female clone then"
>gooners don't do anything with her