What killed the MCU
>>219982363THE ICE AGE
>>219982363THE FEUDAL AGE
>>219982363I can't wait to never see this bitch ever again even though she'd probably be able to stop Doctor Doom in like ten minutes.
>>219982363A certain culture twitter cultivated in the mid to early 2010s social justice warrior and tranny castration psy op and pro noun demoralization, that bled into all forms of media and was used to promote a form of toxic positivity that tried and mostly succeeded in removing straight white men and their interests from media and replacing it with browns, blacks and fags wrongly assuming those were large populations that would somehow grow the viewership base while telling the straight white population they weren't needed anymore or their money
>>219982363is that her jack off arm?
>>219982363she's cute
>>219982363imagine the handjobs
>>219982363>Movie was called Endgame>They want to continue.Sorry end means END
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She was real box office poison huhDid any of her big franchise flicks do well?She fucked up Star Wars, Terminator, and the MCU
>>219982755probablyright hand for the mouse
>>219982363>hey lady what's your super power?>I have... A MAN'S ARM
>>219982363In fairness, people were willing to drop the MCU after endgame no matter what. Even before endgame people didn't care about the following shows or movies that much, they were ready to call it.But you can feel the wokeness seeping into endgame, it's absolutely noticeable between infniity war and endgame.
>>219982363Women. Just like Star Wars.
The show has very good intriguing trailer. Haven't watched the show,
>>219983176Indeed. I dislike how Endgame is more remembored, because well, it is the end game, but Infinity War is much better film.
What fascinates me is that this is the second failed attempt to portray this pudgy mouse as a badass wahmen. Do they never learn?
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>>219982363Normies got sick of having to watch movies about D list heroes no one gives a shit about as homework before the next big crossover, when Endgame gave them a jumping off point they took it.
>>219982363Endgame provided a nice bookend.
Is the Skrull storyline genuinely popular? Finding out that half your heroes or supporting cast are a ugly as sin shapeshifting race comes across as a massive asspull and invalidates so much of their characters.
>>219983176I don't think new MCU movies are even that much worse than the initial MCU movies, I think they had a moment and everyone silently agreed "okay, I'll indulge in the 10+ years of this thrillride but once we finish endgame we'll be done, I can't do this forever"
>>219982363when the joker was raped
>>219982363Too many Glup Shitto movies
>>219983530It's not even the fact that they kept pushing d list heroes. Outside of comic nerds, guardians of the galaxy and dr strange and even thor were pretty D list to normies. But it was likable writing that made audiences like those characters. But the good writers all left or they got brainwashed into prioritizing strong womyn over relatable plots, likable characters, interesting dialogue, etc.
>>219983507What the fuck does that mean?
>>219983570Do you mean in the MCU or in the comics? Nobody fucking watched secret invasion, at least not past the first episode or 2.
>>219983587Arguably not worse, but definitely different. I think early MCU movies suffer from being a bit on the boring side, but at least the dialogue feels realistic and there is actual characterization instead of quip quip quip quip
>>219982507>>219982634>>219982662ICE... TO MEET YOU
>>219983065>>219983471I really don't believe Emilia Clarke is a franchise killerBut she had a LEGENDARY run of bad luck in being cast over and over in franchises at the moment they died anyway
>>219983646Mainly the comics. I know they used it as an excuse to bring back a whole bunch of heroes by dismissing their deaths as, "oh, they were a Skrull" and it always sounded a little off to me. Same for clones and stuff.
>>219983176Wokeness started seeping into the MCU from Captain Marvel.
>>219982363This didn't kill the MCU as no one watched it. What killed the MCU:>Endgame felt like natural end point.>Covid production issues.>Disney+ pressures.>Takes too long to make sequels for characters people do like.>Too many literally who characters introduced.>No connections, build ups or pay offs.What they should have done:>Post-Endgame palate cleanser small arc.>Captain America movie straight away with a redone plot, set up the post-snap universe.>More sequels to characters people care about.>Build to a mini arc of setting up Masters of Evil or Skrulls for a New Avengers movie.>THEN built into the multiverse arc.>No Disney+ shows, only a few "Featured Presentation" type Disney+ movies, no series.>Don't introduce 2010s pushed characters.>Have arcs and connections to keep up the momentum.Feige's approach is more scattershot, no momentum, too many directions, too many ignored plots, all in the service of a bunch of characters no one cares about. If we had a Captain America movie say, this is what's happening on Earth right now, then have characters dealing with this reality, then have a threat and New Avengers, then we make people care again. Disney spend too much time telling people to care without making them care through the basics the old MCU worked under. The old formula isn't difficult BUT it is hard to balance and they forgot how.
>>219983065You really gonna list Emilia Clarke franchises that ended badly and leave out Game of Thrones?
>>219983471She was pretty but can't act.>>219983759>But she had a LEGENDARY run of bad luck in being cast over and over in franchises at the moment they died anywayAside of GoT, yeah.
>>219982363Echo
>>219983799>7 years agoI want time to stop
>>219983632Social engineering via megacorp financialisation.
>>219983805>>Takes too long to make sequels for characters people do like.>What they should have done:>>More sequels to characters people care about.I remember finishing Hawkeye and thinking that I really enjoyed the frenemy dynamic Kate and Yelena had with each other (similar to Sam and Bucky in Civil War, but now with hot ladies) and I was really hoping we'd see more of it eventually but now with the series heading into Doomsday/Secret Wars/soft reboot territory I'm worried the two of them will never even meet again, let alone for fun frenemy team up stories.
>>219983777in the comics it is simply one the so called event stories that come and go every year. I think people do genuinely like the Dark Reign status quo that comes out of it. the Green Goblin, leader of the Thunderbolts at the time, comes out a hero, while Tony Stark is completely discredited and assmelbes his own Avengers and all the infrastrcture
>>219983939So what does Emilia Clarke have to do with it?
>>219982363It became the poster franchise of the slack jawed balding manchild, which nobody sane would ever want to be associated with
>>219983948That's the joke. If by some fucking miracle you liked a character, you won't see them for 5-10 years. And heck, even if you DO see them, they will ignore the previous set up. Fear of missing out anxiety is great at getting people invested. Look at this after credits scene setting up another infinity stone or character. Better watch that! You don't want to miss out! But when you have too many shows, too many movies, too many characters and it goes no where, then that anxiety is no longer driving people to watch, it is driving people to give up to relieve that tension. If they had set up Kate, Yelena and a few others to make a New Avengers team and just done that build up, fine, instead they took too long and by then half these characters are AWOL. They were setting up Young Avengers but Hailee Steinfeld is now older than Scarjo was when she was in the Avengers as Black Widow.
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>>219984017It's been aimed at your fellow purple-haired landwhales with buzzcuts for around a decade now, sis.
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>>219983632>What the fuck does that mean?You're being extremely antisemitic right now.
>>219983805>Don't introduce 2010s pushed characters.We NEED an infinite procession of snarky brown teenage girls who talk down to the popular characters, chuddles.
>>219982744Jesus, you are accurate
>>219983807When I'm talking about films yes I am, dumbass
It some ways comic book bullshit infected TV/movies. Comic books used to mostly be one and done stories with some longer arcs. Much like how TV was one and done with some shows with season long arcs. Of course there were always gimmicks: team ups, references and eventually events. Comics in the 2000s began to have decompressed storytelling, primarily because trade paper back collected editions had become an important source of revenue, writing for the trades, is what they called it. So an individual comic would no longer be satisfying. And it really feels like streaming shows are the same, written for the trades. Take a 2 hour screen play, stuff it into 6-8 episodes. Now everything feels kind of boring, no momentum or pace to it. Everything is flattened. A comic book editor called Tom Brevoort once said that anger sells. In the 00s, the writers were coming off of the 90s comic crash so these writers began being marketed as superstar writers, almost like a fuck you to the superstar artists of the 90s. These writers stuffed in huge changes for the same of change. It riled people up but the action, no matter how hollow, was popular. They of course never foresaw the simple fact that burnout would catch up with them in the 2010s.In the 2010s, too many characters were replaced by diverse replacements (Riri Ironheart, FemThor, Amadeus Cho Hulk, Sam Wilson Cap), previously created diverse characters were heavily pushed (Young Avengers, Kate Bishop) and new characters had incredibly large media pushes despite a lack of quality (Ms Marvel, Miles Morales). In part this was done because Feige wanted diverse replacements for the MCU. In 2017 Marvel made an event called Secret Empire which essentially had a Nazi Captain America. The backlash was so severe even Disney had to respond. Shop owners at an event shouted at Marvel employees saying their diversity were killing sales. The minute these characters were pushed in the MCU, everything went to shit, funny that.
>>219982363It was already dead after Captain America, the first Avenger.
>>219983948Yelena, the archer chick and miss marvel(the brown one) were really likeable and sympathethic to me, their team up movie could have been a good one.The archer and brown marvel are talented actors too.
>>219983948>Pugh>hot ladies
>>219982363Lack of direction after Endgame.There's no core story anymore. No Avengers. Just a bunch of shitty side stories.
>>219982363this show was so boring I coudn't even finish pirating it
>>219983065Zendaya cant act for shit and doesnt drag the movies. She isnt even pretty either
>>219982363The avengers movies in general. Movies like gotg, Spiderman and Iron man didnt even need them.
>>219984239Jesus, you're such an obvious skullfucked samefag. Bark some more buzzwords they screwed into your skull, baby.
>>219983632You can force behavior changes by changing behavior through force with forced behavior change. By force.
>>219983704I have an ice to pick with you.
Why the MCU worked: Perlmutter and Feige had to compromise. Perlmutter believed, strike while the iron is hot, pump shit out. He believed we didn't need a Black Widow film as girls don't buy action figures and that no one would realise War Machine was recast because all black people look the same. Feige meanwhile believed that they should build longer term. But Feige also massively believed in diversity. They fought and bickered a lot, the Netflix shows turning to crap was partly due to this and Feige refused to allow shit like Agents of Shield to crossover because the television side was more under Perlmutter's remit.Feige's planning and success beat out Perlmutter. But without Perlmutter's influence we got Feige pushing someone like Captain Marvel, aka, Marvel needs a "Wonder Woman". Captain Marvel was only a success because it was sandwiched between Infinity War/Endgame. It was a rather pointless movie, we didn't need her retroactively giving Nick Fury the idea for the Avengers. The Russos famously said they had no idea how to put Captain Marvel in Endgame, hence why she was used so sparingly because they had no idea how to use her. Especially since Feige kept saying, she is gonna be the most powerful superhero ever.And this attitude is what influenced this random array of shit post Endgame. He wanted Eternals to be a more adult movie, it wasn't. He wanted to introduce all these random characters, they flopped. If you watched Wandavision, the plot was irrelevant and mostly ignored inthe Dr Strange movie, but if you didn't watch Wandavision, you didn't know what was going on with Wanda as a character. He created a confusing mess of things, thinking that what the brand needed was this grey social media tumblr slop that pleases no one. Agatha show was a wine aunt show. How does this push momentum for your billion dollar franchise? The early MCU course corrected when needed, this MCU needs to be lean, not stuffed full of shit that pleases no one.
>>219983471she has a very specific set of skills
>>219983805>>219984058>>219984343>>219984612Samefag paragraph man. tl;dr.
>>219982363After End Game Feige decided to take a break during the most critical part of the MCU's history (maybe on purpose to avoid being a fall guy) and put the most incompetent DEI hire in charge, Victoria Alonso who made everything about feminism and diversity and though Echo should have her own show and was such a liability that Disney had to pay to make her go away because she threatened that she had information that would ruin Disney. They are ignoring everything she did including giving Hulk a son and pretending nothing after End Game except for a couple important plot points happened
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>>219984819Feige began the diversity agenda with Captain Marvel. You can't just blame other people for something Feige set out.
>>219983570It could have easily been an entire phase of movies just like Civil War should have been an entire phase and not a single movie
>>219983570Basically all of the 2000s events are considered "popular", they sold, they are still recommended and reprinted. Yet they are also responsible for really setting in the rot in comics. Hence why you mention the name Bendis and people get mad at you on /co/.
>>219984881She made it worse. She gave us this
>>219985014>make morally complex endeering character >YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO LIKE HIM BECAUSE UHHHHHHH, BECAUSE WE DONT WANT HIM TO BE CAPTAIN AMERICA AND HE ISNT EVEN FRIENDS WITH BUCKY OKAY!?!?!?I'm still so lost as how they accidentally made this guy
>>219985014There's nothing wrong with that.
>>219983948>>219984058A Hawkeye season 2 could have been made by now, and resulted in other appearances from both Clint and Kate, but for some reason they offered to pay Renner half as much as he got for season 1, and he told them to fuck off.
>>219985131>this won't even cover half of my penile reconstruction surgery!!!
>>219985114>>YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO LIKE HIMYou clearly are. That's why he's on the Thunderbolts now.
>>219985114They keep doing it. They think people hate Homelander and Soldier Boy based on their insane stereotypes and people end up loving them. US Agent unironically showed how fucked up the narrative they were pushing in the movies was and they didn't plan that. I DESPISED the whole "you are nothing without the shield" platforming allegory they made that entire movie implying you can't be a good man without that shield and US Agent showed that was not the case at all but they didn't plan it like that. I hate this show more than anything else they made because of that cancerous black coded message about how important platforming and de-platforming is.>>2199851160/10
>>219984819>Echo should have her own showEcho is genuinely the worse thing the MCU has ever produced and the fact people don't think this is only because they didn't watch it:>Character finds out Kingpin killed her father. >Shot Kingpin in Hawkeye show.>Goes back to home town.>Wants to replace Kingpin despite no one liking her and having no allies.>Despite not really seeming cut out for the business.>None of her family seem to like her.>Damages Kingpin's operation.>He eventually comes to stop her.>Last minute powers asspull and she "heals" him.It is a fever dream of, huh, what, why. The main actress, who is deaf herself, has a really bad case of same expression, no matter the situation.The Marvels is a close second:>Captain Marvel destroying Supreme Intelligence ruined the Kree.>Villain uses macguffin to steal resources to fix her planet.>Captain Marvel could pretty much instantly defeat villain only her powers are entagled with two other characters set up in TV shows so they keep switching places.>Go to a planet with random Korean celebrity just to set up that Captain Marvel is a "Princess" so she can now be called a Disney Princess.>Also song and dance routine.>Villain is targeting worlds connected to Carol because revenge.>Eventually targets Earth.>The random alien Cat set up has "pay off" in terms of cat babies being used to swallow crew of space station to protect them from villain's macguffin causing problems.>Easily defeat forgettable villain #213.>Carol just goes and fixes their sun, aka, the whole conflict was pointless as she always had the power to fix the problem if she had been asked?>>219985014Again, Feige wanted this shit.>>219985131Even that proposed season 2 was YEARS after season 1. Aka, zero momentum.
>>219982363>What killed the MCUMainstream formulaic Capeshit fatigue. It doesn't mean all capeshit is bad, There's great stories to tell and to be made.But the problem with the overwhelming majority of the superhero pool are just rehashes of other superheroes from other brands, or within marvel.It's why the penguin was fun, it was different.I'm not excited about the new spidermang movie either, It suffered from bad writers writing themselves into a wall and going for a universe resetJust like the comics.Im the problem is comics are a product and it's impossible for them to fathom that it's okay to end a story.So, they keep resetting, reimagining and remaking .The art gets stale and stories turn into products and brands.
>>219985234>moviefuck I forgot this was a show whatever
>>219985114Clearly you are allowed to like him as Thunderbolts is pretty much that.
>>219984549that's not me
>>219985269>>219985198Postfacto
>>219985014Bucky as Cap would've attracted a lot of female fans but he's old now and the wokes got rid of all hot actresses.
>>219982507ALLOW ME TO BREAK THE IIIICE
>>219985237>Again, Feige wanted this shit.No he just put her in charge and fucked off this could easily have been a Chapek situation where he felt the MCU had no future and put someone retarded in charge to be the fall guy
>>219984843lol what fucking movie is this?
>>219985296Bucky as Cap just made logical sense he had the serum and the arm to handle the shield and now the shield feels like an afterthought to Blacktin America since he has an Ironman suit
>>219985296>perfect set up for cool winter soldier arm+shield, doing block into frame 1 JAX punch >no, let's do captain america with wings, which will flop so spectacularly that we effectively retire him until the EVERYBODYS HERE movie
>>219985198>>219985269>"Wait, you were the new Captain America?">"Yeah. Why?">"Because you're an asshole."Even now that he's a New Avenger, you're clearly not *intended* to like him THAT much.
whedon quips get old fast
>>219985290The Falcon and the Winter Soldier literally ends with his redemption.
>>219985242>Mainstream formulaic Capeshit fatigue.I don't actually think people are fatigued because it is formulaic. I think people are more apathetic because the MCU lost its formula. The old formula:>Strong characterisation (strong, not necessarily comic accurate) + forgettable villain (some exceptions) + some humour but not all encompassing + heart and stuff to stir emotions amongst plebs. This formula is pretty much what they found worked in Iron Man and was ported across to other films. Plot and stuff could take a back seat. The problem is, when they ignore that formula, then all the problems start. Strong characterisation? Thing of the past. Forgettable villains? Well now the villains are too bland and even more forgettable. Humour? Tonally they are all over the map, sometimes the comedy is cringe. Heart? None of this shit means anything when undercut.People might tell you "I like to try new things" but the truth is, most people are motivated by comfort, it is why people like watching old sitcoms. Marvel had a formula that worked but they decided to stuff it full of literally whos no one cares about. They went from, making people care via pretty cheap tricks to demanding you care with too much of a buy in. Two movies a year was a low amount of effort for people to join in. Multiple movies, shows, arcs, nothing pays off, nothing means anything.Comic books never really "mattered" anything could change depending on an editorial or business whim but they managed to trick people into thinking stuff did matter. Until they began screwing with the formula, much like what they did in the MCU.
>>219985434The character is popular because he's an asshole. He's the MCU's Guy Gardner.
>>219983065SW was dead after Last Jedi. Terminator was dead since 3. MCU was dead since Endgame ended. None of these have to do with Emilia Clarke.
>>219985460>redemption>I hereby dub thee captain retard the drunk asshole who abuses his wife! with the role of captain america rightfully going to the black stud with the winged BBC. You are allowed to be a hero insofar you bow to Captain Kang and know your place ytboi!
>>219985460I honestly don't think they wrote it that way and wrote it as a jealous yt boi coming to terms with him never being as good as the black guy. I think this because they actually thought the "do better" speech was deep and impactful and not a joke. This show is hard carried by people assuming things that are not true that's how badly written this show is in my opinion
>>219985322Anon, Feige is the guy who massively wanted diversity as seen by his fights with Perlmutter, Feige pushed for diverse replacements in the 2010s comics for MCU replacements, Feige massively pushed and marketed Captain Marvel, who only worked because of where the film was placed. Someone else coming along and basically following on the precedent he set hardly means Feige should be absolved of responsibility. He structurally set up where they were going.
>>219985575Anon why it it hard for you to understand that two people can be at fault here?
>>219982744Okay. But try saying any of that in English.
>>219985544>I honestly don't think they wrote it that way and wrote it as a jealous yt boi coming to terms with him never being as good as the black guy.Because it fits your agenda. The show clearly frames it as a redemption, as he chooses to be hero over pursuing revenge, and earns Sam and Bucky's respect in the end, and is rewarded with becoming spec ops Captain America anyway.
>>219985544I agree with this.Falcon and his dumb white friend was a weird cultural moment where it felt like even libs weren't onboard how gay and antiamerican the show was, despite how comfortable the writers were
Comics are mostly a straight white male phenomenon Disney and Marvel proved that by spending five whole years producing content for browns, blacks women, and all flavor of fags, while their communities failed to show up and consume their slopIt really needs to be studied because I suspect that people don't actually want to watch women, fags and minorities subvert our expectations because it's antithetical to reality, those minorities never built modern society, never contributed to a moral and just civilization or the rule of law, in fact they've done things throughout history to fight against itComics show humanity at it's best, overcoming and persisting for a better future, that's why they spent half a decade trying to subvert that reality
>>219985603Because: Feige was in charge and set the precdent, he is the primary one to blame because it was his responsibility and when you repeat talking points like "Feige took a break" it is like you're trying to defend him. This break thing was PR speak and some people have used that idea to try and act like he wasn't at fault to defend him.
>>219985630It doesn't fit my agenda it fits the bad writing where Captain Falcon gets denied a load randomly or gets arrested randomly crossing a Baltimore suburban street by multiple cops or a black super soldier that was arrested for being black. I didn't make that shit the show did
Another example of never capitalizing on the rare popular new character: I really liked Shang-Chi, both the movie and the character... and it feels like that was about ten years ago and the poor fuck hasn't even had a cameo in one scene of a Disney+ show yet.
>>219982363No more Robert Downey Jr. to be the franchise cornerstone.
>>219985692Seems like a waste of time and energy to complain about which 6 bad eggs of a bad dozen of eggs from a bad chicken that only lays bad eggs were the bigger problem
>>219985692The MCU before him was less woke than after and he did take a break his words don't quote it. They both fucked up
>>219982363You can only do the big universal threat ONCE and everything after that feels pointless comics never figured out a way out of that problem and I doubt Hollywood will
>>219985725The suits found his reddit account and didn't want the blowback. Also the actual superhero parts of shangchi stunk
>>219984295Why tho?
>>219985679China stopped watching the MCU after Endgame and Star Wars after Ep VII.
>>219984369Brie Larson was a young talented actress once upon a timeShame about whatever she turned into
>>219985740I literally said in another post, the MCU worked when Perlmutter (who was very anti-woke) and Feige (who is much more woke) worked together and fought, because that often led to compromises and course corrections that won out. Near the end of the Infinity Saga, Feige's influence won out because of his success and Perlmutter was on that way out, that is where we got his Captain Marvel push. With Feige in charge we got far more wokeness than before. With people under him following his precedent. This isn't hard to follow.>>219985736I think explaining what happened with Feige really clearly explains the specific situation with the MCU. Of course we could talk about the more general fact that this happened across the board at Disney and other franchises.
>>219985926Captain Marvel existing isn't woke. The most woke thing I can think of was the girls get it done scene in end game everything after that was much worse. You are wrong
>>219985852She did a thing about pancakes on Joshua Weissman(hate him) and she seemed so much nicer and kinder than I pictured. Maybe she got better idk
>>219982363Those few years in 2010 when they were putting her into everything were terrible.
>>219985965I don't know if anyone ever has actually seen Captain Marvel but it was more about the politics around the movie than the actual movie itself. That's when corporations started blaming fans for movies failing.
>>219986034I saw the first one. It was standard marvel slop. Nothing really woke.
>>219986034I'd long since tuned out but I remember MCU works getting all done up about how Captain Marvels powerlevel was too high and how she doesn't deserve to be stronger than Iron Man or whatever which I thought was kind of a gay argument.I'm sure the movie is terrible and I'm sure it's steeped in YASQUEEN girlfriend shit, but I can't buy into the singular point that "She's a girl and therefore the space magic woman isn't allowed to be the strongest"
>>219982363Kang will return in doomsday or im throwing my popcorn
>>219986123They created her very late in the series and shoehorned her into the last two movies in an awkward way.
It's a combination of things but no one has mentioned that the multiverse concept absolutely destroys any stakes in these films so I'll add that in there. It's absolute poison for compelling storytelling over the course of multiple films.
>>219986164Yeah, like I said I'll grant that, I just think a lot of the louder voices poisoned the well with gay arguments that were "I like Robert Downy Jr, therefore he has to be the strongest and especially not a GIRL!"Its retards that make these stupid points that grant so much currency to the lib psychos calling everyone who didn't like Captain Marvel an incel
>>219986205Literally every story is a multiverse story now.
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>>219986297Matt...I know you're blind, but you're a good 3-5 feet away from making any kind of contact
>>219985965No you're wrong. Feige wanted Captain Marvel to be their Wonder Woman. He pushed Carol as being their biggest female character because of this.>Feige said she was the most powerful Avenger.>Russos literally didn't know how to use her because she was stuffed in.Making the LAST MINUTE addition to your Infinity War Saga the most powerful character and having her stuffed in between your two Avengers films and having directors of those films confused how to use her, reeks of the issues involved. Making Captain Marvel the one character to inspire Nick Fury into wanting to make the Avengers etc. And yes, that girls get it done scene was bad too and feature Captain Marvel.No where did I say, her existing is woke, but the whole situation, the films, the writing, is woke. Making a female character your strongest character and stuffing her in last minute and having her retroactively inspire the Avengers and everything else, is a bit much. Bizarre you can't understand this.
>>219986297Marvel fight choreography and CGI is both so bad. And part of the justification for using that actress was apparently her ability to fight.
>>219986499>thing is woke just because it involves womanretards like you give the opposition easy ammo when you say stupid shit like this. Your autism just won't let you admit both parties were wrong for whatever reason
>>219986570Is this bait or are you just being an idiot? No where did I say "women = woke". No where. Don't use that strawman shit. You're not addressing anything being said.It is woke because they decided to retroactively make the bad ass girl boss character with very little vulnerability played by a very polarising actress into their lynchpin at the last minute with messaging from Feige overplaying this and have her appear in the final battle and almost completely overwhelm the enemy. The marketing and comments from Feige, what happened in the films, when it took place, all show this. The fact that The Marvels completed bombed and became their biggest flop also shows the issues with the character.
>>219983985she's behind it all, dumbass
>>219985609leftist pretending not to understand, what it personally participated in
>>219986747That's the argument and implications you are making assuming Feige's thinking retard. I was just thinking about it and I think your issue is you are talking things Feige said post end game about being pro woke and trying to apply that to movies pre-end game which is retarded. I agree almost everything after was woke and the marvels was trash but you are exaggerating before end game
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>>219986836You're just wrong! Before Endgame:>“In our comics mythology, Captain Marvel is a character who’s got one foot on Earth and one foot in the cosmic arena. Now that we’ve made a number of movies that take place on Earth, and a number of cosmic adventures with the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thor, we thought it was the right time to finally introduce Captain Marvel to the world. She’s one of the most powerful – and one of the most popular – characters in our comics, and will be the most powerful character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/kevin-feige-confirms-captain-marvel-is-the-mcus-most-powerful-character/He said she will be the most powerful character in the MCU. 2019.Again pre-Endgame: >He made her character the inspiration for Nick Fury wanting to set up the Avengers. Before Endgame the Captain Marvel film made her the lynchpin for setting up the universe, remember before this Captain America had the subtitle for his film "The First Avenger". 2019.(1/2)
>>219987029>>219986836>Kevin Feige Addresses Criticism That Marvel Movies Aren’t Diverse Enoughhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-movie-cast-kevin-feige-addresses-diversity-criticism-943402/>“I think that in the movies we’ve already made, and certainly in the movies that are coming up, it will be as inclusive a group of characters as one could want,” Feige told Vulture “For us, it’s important that we don’t feel like a completely white, European cast.”2016Ruffalo wanted to quit because of lack of diversity before Endgame and Feige convinced him to stay:>Speaking to The Independent, Ruffalo said that when he met Feige, he was on the verge of quitting. He said: "When we did the first Avengers, Kevin Feige told me, 'Listen, I might not be here tomorrow'. And he's like, 'Ike [Perlmutter, Disney's largest shareholder at the time] does not believe that anyone will go to a female-starring superhero movie. So if I am still here tomorrow, you will know that I won that battle.>"Kevin wanted black superheroes, women superheroes, LGBT superheroes. He changed the whole Marvel universe.https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/mark-ruffalo-interview-dark-waters-avengers-marvel-trump-kevin-feige-boris-johnson-a9351101.htmlWow Kevin stopped Ruffalo from quittting because of diversity. Pre-Endgame.I am not "guessing" what he is thinking. I am reading what he said.(2/2)
>>219987047>Wow Kevin stopped Ruffalo from quittting because of diversity. Pre-Endgame.*lack of diversity
>>219982363Kids movies.Imagine giving this much of a shit about kids movies.
>>219987029>>“In our comics mythology, Captain Marvel is a character who’s got one foot on Earth and one foot in the cosmic arena. Now that we’ve made a number of movies that take place on Earth, and a number of cosmic adventures with the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thor, we thought it was the right time to finally introduce Captain Marvel to the world. She’s one of the most powerful – and one of the most popular – characters in our comics, and will be the most powerful character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”>He made her character the inspiration for Nick Fury wanting to set up the Avengers. How the fuck is this statement woke in any way retard? See what I mean.>“I think that in the movies we’ve already made, and certainly in the movies that are coming up, it will be as inclusive a group of characters as one could want,” Feige told Vulture “For us, it’s important that we don’t feel like a completely white, European cast.”Yup and this is the first remotely woke thing he said and as I said you saw woke shit towards the end of his 1st run mostly in End Game. None of this conflicts with what I said autist and almost all that "diversity" and non Europeans came after when Alonzo took over which he was probably aware of since it takes years to plan these movies and shows retard.
>>219982363WHY SHE DIDN'T RETURN IN THUNDERBOLTS !?!?!?!
>>219987216They literally tried to retcon the entire MCU to be about Captain Marvel.
>>219987286Are you going to explain how that is woke or not?
>>219987311Trying to erase all the success and what the fans liked (mostly male actors) with a forced woman character nobody particularly cared about. And all the while doing scummy shit like blaming the fans for her movies not doing well and laundering money for ticket sales for woke charities.
>>219987216>How the fuck is this statement woke in any way retard? See what I mean.Making the girl boss character the most powerful and the lynchpin of your universe at the last minute is not woke? The quotes even clearly show his motivation, which you said I assumed, there in black and white.>None of this conflicts with what I said autistAll you can do is throw out insults and ignore everything I said. Ruffalo on the verge of quitting says that Feige convinced him to stay by talking about diversity. Feige said, Perlmutter was against female led projects. Feige then made a polarising actress the most powerful lynchpin of their universe. Feige literally said: if this happens, you know I won the argument. And you're acting as though Feige was not woke or behind the post-Endgame stuff.You're acting as though everything that happened did so post Endgame, I have just proven what Feige was thinking far before Endgame, something you said was me guessing, even though his process is clearly there. Why are you too retarded to see this?>Alonzo took over which he was probably aware of since it takes years to plan these movies and shows retard.Your own argument betrays you, how fucking retarded are you. Yes it takes YEARS to plan this shit out. Which is why the "Feige was on holiday" shit makes no sense. Because he was part of this planning.>>219987311Nta, making a girl boss character with little to no vulnerabilities the head of your universe at the last minute whilst ignoring all the pre established characters all based on your politics, as shown by the quotes, is a bit woke. This isn't "woman = woke" this is, Feige stated his politics and then did all this shit.
>>219982744too based for this tranny run board.
>>219987357>>219987365>it's woke because she is a woman See stop feigning shock and surprise when I say that's what you are saying retard
>>219987311>actually defending Captain MarvelWhat the fuck
As a Gamer with arguably more exposure to the avengers than normies, but less exposure than comics fags, the avengers are always >Spidey>cap>ironman>Hawkeye>vision>maybe wolverine>ThorAnd probably 2-3 I'm forgetting. Attempting to torchpass all these guys onto [girl/black version of these guys] was a stupid move and they should have just recast the retiring guys and made up some excuse like "this is a new timeline but all the same lore applies" these are children's cartoon characters, no need to overthink how to provide more justification for Captain America Part 6.
>>219987405Because that isn't what I said and you just keep ignoring what I said. No one hates Wanda, because again, she was a pre established character done right. But imagine if they stuffed Wanda in a film at the last minute and said she is the most powerful and everything is about her and she inspired all this shit in the universe and also I am only doing this as a fuck you to Ike Perlmutter because I want more diversity. Feige laid out his politics on diversity. Feige then went out his way to make this character the way it was. You can't put the points together because you're retarded and now you're defending Captain Marvel who led to the biggest bomb in the MCU for a reason. If a guy lays out his agenda, makes a specific character along specific tropes, says this character is not the most important, this is more than "woman = woke" this is a rather obvious agenda driven process.
>>219987406It's a trash movie but it's trash because it was written terribly not because the 1st one was woke.>>219987507It is what you said. You keep teetering on the edge saying the movie is woke over and over and it comes down to because she is a woman.
>>219987498Ant Man/Iron Man/Thor/Wasp and somewhat Hulk are the founding members of the Avengers. Captain America was introduced in #4. Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch in #16. Then it spirals from there, Swordsman, Hercules, Black Panther, Vision, Black Knight. (Plenty more.) Black Widow isn't an Avenger until #111.Wolverine doesn't become an Avenger until 2000s in New Avengers. Spider-Man briefly works with the New Avengers in the 2000s but is not technically one.
>>219987655Sorry, I'm not trying to speak factually but more ICONOGRAPHICALLY, marvel clearly had these guys picked out as "The Avengers we will use for marketing everything, anytime the avengers are named we will use these guys" I recognize that the comic lore is different from how marvel presents its avengers in media. Either which way, trying to say "All these guys are dead/retired here's the new guys" was always going to be a mistake
>>219982363Nothing particularly ended it. It was just done.
>>219987597Quit defending it then if you think it is trash. >because she is a woman.You're going around in circles. This is pointless. Feige laid out his politics and his motivation too which you claimed I was making up, then I proved you clearly wrong. The first movie even had a cringe worthy scene of Captain Marvel having a flashback of her at different points in her life standing up as a strong woman to defeat the Supreme Intelligence. It is a girls get it done scene as much as the one in Endgame is. Go and rewatch it. Then read those articles. Then see everything that came after it. It is really clear here but you're still ignoring it because you want to defend Captain Marvel and Kevin Feige for some weird reason.
>Asshole biker tells her to smile more and she steals his bike.>Asshole male pilot tells her "You do know why the call it a cockpit".>The wokes: iT's tOtAlLy nOt WoKe.
>>219987787Exactly.
>>219987787You only hate left because you hate women. You only like right because youre a weeb incel nerd. I'm so smart.
>>219987783It's 100% trash but due to bad writing not because she is a woman which is all it takes for you to see something as woke. This isn't "running in circles" this is you being a lying autist.Like I told you over an hour ago we probably agree on a lot you are just some autist who doesn't want to admit that both Feige and Alonzo were wrong and it is very fucking weird that you can't do this like you have serious issues you need to work on.
>>219987787>bad writing>bad writing>SHES A WOMAN THEREFORE IT'S WOKE DESPITE THE MCU BEING FILLED WITH BAD WRITING!
LMAO, "toxic masculinity" naysayers" were right.>If Marvel’s plans are all based on existing comic books, why is toxic masculinity still an issue within the Marvel fan community? “Possibly because of an illogical fear that stories featuring women within the MCU is a reframing of the whole Marvel universe as feminist or ‘woke’, which will, in turn, dilute, change or ruin the Phase 1 characters they love,” says Crowther. But she thinks the naysayers are in a minority. “Although they’re loud, they’re a pretty small group and their efforts to derail Captain Marvel’s release via Rotten Tomatoes failed. And, although many of them are threatening to boycott this phase of films, there are new generations who have grown up with the MCU universe who will want to watch these stories.”>“Possibly because of an illogical fear that stories featuring women within the MCU is a reframing of the whole Marvel universe as feminist or ‘woke’, which will, in turn, dilute, change or ruin the Phase 1 characters they love,” says Crowther.
>>219987787Alita Battle Angel is such a bad example of "Girlboss but good". All this tells me is that you will let woke slide if you can jack off to it.
>>219987958it's not woke, you just hate strong independent women who don't need no man
>>219987787Cpt Marvel sucks because it's the trifecta of all the worst things about marvel movies: quippy, no stakes, has to reference itself or other things. I don't dislike Brie but she is the worst person to cast for 'stoic badass'. The reason all the discourse around the movie is 'grrl pwr' and 'not for you, boys' is because there is nothing else to talk about it.
>>219987876It has bad writing but like again, you ignore the shit I said. When Carol is fighting against the Supreme Intelligence we get a girls get it done scene of Carol "standing up" at all these points in her life. We have shit like this anon says too: >>219987787All of this shit happening whilst Feige: completely laid out his position and politics:>Kevin Feige told me, 'Listen, I might not be here tomorrow'. And he's like, 'Ike [Perlmutter, Disney's largest shareholder at the time] does not believe that anyone will go to a female-starring superhero movie. So if I am still here tomorrow, you will know that I won that battle.>"Kevin wanted black superheroes, women superheroes, LGBT superheroes. He changed the whole Marvel universe."Feige said as soon as he has a female led superhero film, you know he has won against Ike on the diversity issue. Then he made the first female led superhero be: the most powerful, the lynchpin of the universe, belittle all the men in the film via feminist talking points. You ignore this.>Like I told you over an hour ago we probably agree on a lot youAnon, you're the one throwing out insults and getting mad just because I disagreed with you on the "Feige takes a holiday" shit. You're the one who basically denied his politics pre-Endgame, which I disproved. I just disagreed with you on the Feige break shit. And you're the one who spiralled and doubled down on insults, but you think I am the problem here.>Alonzo No where did I say Alonzo had 0 responsibility. All I said: you're downplaying Feige. That's all. And it is fucking bizarre that you couldn't see this despite me making it really obvious for you. Absolutely fucking mental.
>>21998801490% of female superheroes at their inception were this, it is part of their lore. Nobody wants to read a comicbook about a woman superhero(fullstop) who also needs to retreat into the arms of a man(who isnt me)
It's woke because they are dead set on hamfisting this woman character into this, while excising the white male characters who they are also replacing with gender and race swapped versionsYou know what you're doing and when you get called out you hide behind the hard work greater people than you will ever be accomplished towards equalityYou just want to be racist and bigoted towards straight white men, while never being called out for itThat's what woke is, that's what dei isinb4 the tart retort leftist subversives always get away with saying, "you can't be racist or bigoted towards white people"Even people who don't want to acknowledge the woke you are perpetrating hate you because you don't even care about telling a good story, all your worries boil down to white bad, male bad, woman good, black and brown skin good, tranny castration for all
>>219987876>>219987974
>>219988049I read all the shit you said. It's woke because it involves a woman. I received that loud and clear and it's wrong.>>219988108Meanwhile I believe almost everything post end game is garbage woke shit.
>>219988153>I read all the shit you said. It's woke because it involves a woman. I received that loud and clear and it's wrong.>Meanwhile I believe almost everything post end game is garbage woke shit.You're clearly a mentally ill troon.
>>219988211What's the contradiction autist tell me?
>>219988153>I read all the shit you said. It's woke because it involves a woman. I received that loud and clear and it's wrong.You're just upset because I disproved what you're saying several times with quotes and examples. So you fall back on this shit.>Meanwhile I believe almost everything post end game is garbage woke shit.And yet you still defend Feige and Captain Marvel. So obviously you're lying here.
>>219988254>u...u....u madkek
>>219988254>>219988211What's going on here....
>>219983570Nooooooo with 7 o's All these events are straight up garbage that nobody then liked. people now can at the least gain a new appreciation of reading this garbage all at once and then going oooh that is why spider-man has that suit in that one game.
>>219988305>It's not woke despite all those examples of it being woke and Feige literally saying that he was woke, no, all the wokeness only happened when Feige went on holiday! >Captain Marvel wasn't woke I swear it! You just hate women!!>I swear I'm not defending it even though I am defending it.
>>219988393Unfortunately they sold well. In the 2000s people did like them. And plenty of Redditors still like them.
>>219982363Who or what is she supposed to be.
>>219988411>posts examples and statements made towards the MCU which is literally what I said is when it started>All the things Feige said they would push for happened when Alonzo took over which was what I was arguing>all "examples" literally justified the argument I was makingliteral autism
Why isn't Disney doing anything with Deadpool or the Xmen? Not saying I like deadpool but he seems like a cheap and easy way to make lots of money
the worst part is that the show had potential, hell secret invasion could have been an entire saga plotline if they wanted it to be. it sucks that they dropped the ball as hard as they did.
>>219988524They are.>Deadpool and wolverine made like $1.3 a year and a half ago.>Jean Gray will be in the spiderman movie in july>Avengers Doomsday (december) is filled with x-men characters>After avengers secret wars they will do a soft reboot with a new x-men cast.>Ryan Reynolds confirmed like a week ago that he has stuff written for Deadpools next mcu appearance.
>>219988472so a guy she was working for was collecting blood samples from the infinity war and endgame battles so that he could recreate all of their powers. eventually she finds out that he is doing it to become super power so she takes it instead, this image is her with Drax (bautista's character from the guardians) armhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbcikiTYFk
>>219982363I think it was the Bohner joke in Wandavision that killed the MCU.You could just feel the hype evaporate. It was obvious by now that hacks have taken over.
>>219988712I regret I asked, honestly.
>>219986767You’re retarded.
>>219983065>box office poisonThe only movie she starred in that flopped was Solo and that was 100% due to Disney micromanaging the production to death that caused the budget to skyrocket as well as backlash due to Last Jedi.
>>219988712What the actual fuck. You mean to tell me she is walking around right now with Hulk, Ghost, Drax, Mantis and Captain Marvel powers? (and a couple others i couldn't recognize who was the ice hand supposed to be) Could she solo Doom? How does this character exist why is this allowed she's basically the strongest person on Earth excluding Sentry.
>>219986814The leftist is right behind me, isn't it?
>>219984208Ares is great
>>219988756This attitude towards the fans and stories is absolutely part of it. Wasting the audiences attention and knowledge is never satisfying. It's easy to trick an audience. You thought Darth Vader killed Lukes dad, well actually Obi-wan lied, Vader IS Lukes dad! Except, that's not asking you to undo a meta connection you're making.It's really a chekhov's gun, which is one of the simplest principals in productions. Why is this Fox X-men actor in a Scarlet Witch show? No reason! Like oh, I feel stupid for caring, thanks TV show.... Just don't do it. If you don't have a pay off, don't set it up. There's been so much set up in the MCU and such little pay off. It started before endgame. With things like Nick Fury losing his eye to a catch scratch.
>>219988712the idea for this fight could have been awesome but the execution was poo poo stinky. the only part that made me baseface was when the guy she was fighting turned into the wizard
>>219988955I actually liked Secret Invasion and it is majorly a bummer that for some reason it got negative reviews. RIP Special Agent Cobie Smulders. But then I think mainstream MCU has been shit since Age of Ultron. I like Eternals, The Marvels, Secret Invasion, and 80% of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Even the mummy show with Oscar Isaac and a CGI Hippopotamus was interesting. Moon Knight? But the MCU kept ignoring these superior entries, and I gave up giving a shit when I skipped Captain America Black Nigger World. I'm totally out now. Literally the last series I'm actually watching in the entire world is Maul Shadow Lord because he's so over the top. It doesn't make a lot of sense because the last time we saw him in Clone Wars Palpatine was electrocuting him so I don't know how he escaped him or got back to being an underlord but whatever. Star Wars peaked with Andor, and it's all downhill from here. Yes these are all real human opinions as you can tell from the fact that they don't follow the mainstream. Tldr it would be fun watching Emilia Clarke from Secret Invasion beat the shit out of Captain Marvel. I think that's it. I'll take questions now.
>>219982363Too lazy to pull up an image but in my head it's the super brain from that futurama episode just screaming "MEEE!!!1!!!"
>>219989321My answer to all of your questions about why I like the schlock and dislike the main course bullshit is Mike Stoklasa, it's like Shark Exorcist. What could you possibly like about The Marvels or The Eternals??? Well, I've never seen anything quite like it before and that counts for something.
Things secret invasion did well>Made use of the 5 years in between infinity war and endgame, as they told us skrulls moved to earth since it was empty and made it their planet during that time>I like what they did and showed with Fury's personal life, finally made him a character with a personality>The concept of getting blood/dna samples from previous avengers fights is nice.Where they fucked up>Killing off maria hill>The Final fight >Only having 6 episodes made everything rushed>Everything they did with Rhodey. Just fucking tell us WHEN he became a skrull don't leave it up to a guess.
>>219989041admitting you're larping as a leftist, isn't any better
>>219989583is this like moon knight where the first half of the show is kino but the finale sucks?
The same reason comics flop sadly. A bunch of cool legacy characters slowly replaced by the shitty diverse roster. Boring status quo and endless soap opera. To think we will have another batch of Spider Man films/Xmen films/Batman films.
>>219983471She's the perfect sarah Connor but they used the wrong version of the character.
>>219988955it flopped so they just won't talk about it
>>219983176What did Captain Marvel add to Endgame besides absolutely destroying the tension right in the middle of the final battle?
>>219982744what surprises me they really thought browns, women and fags would love brands created for white men and representing white men interests
>>219988756>>219989117The Boehner thing is actually SO bad and anti-audience and anti-fan that I'm stunned it was even allowed through to the final cut. It's not a plot twist, it's not a trick or 'from a certain point of view,' it's literally the show laughing at the audience and saying:>You actually expected something to come out of this? Something cool or interesting, especially since we've been pretty public about how we're going to be following Endgame up with multiverse shit? Well fuck you, you fucking nerd, we're not doing any of that nerdy comic book shit and how dare you even think we might.>But you're a comic book sho-->Put your little nerd glasses on, little nerd.
>>219985116Saaar we are black saar
>>219989321>for some reason it got negative reviews>I'll take questions now.Gravik is whiny little fuck and nowhere near a worthy enough villain to earn killing off Maria OR Talos, let alone both of them. The fact that there are even Skrulls left on Earth is bullshit since didn't they leave the planet with Carol at the end of Captain Marvel? Why are they mad at Nick for not having found them a planet when I thought that's what Carol was doing? Why do they expect him to have found one so soon? I admit, I haven't gone planet-hunting recently, but I imagine scouring the universe for an uninhabited-yet-livable planet is probably really fucking hard, especially for a mostly planet-locked race like us Earth-bound humans. Also they did the "old sad pathetic loser" Luke Skywalker/Indiana Jones thing with Nick and that plot is just so fucking tiresome (at first I thought it was going to be that he was mourning Natasha, but then it... wasn't that). Also they revealed that Nick isn't the super-spy of legends because he's a super-spy of legend, but because he had a bunch of Skrulls working for him, so that was nice and character-assassinating. And when you look at Secret Invasion in the context of the rest of the MCU - What were Nick's Skrull spies doing while HYDRA was taking over SHIELD? Are you telling me none of these amazing god-tier spies never found out? Or that all the Skrulls that found out just happened to also join HYDRA? Also, Gravik's whole motive falls apart when they reveal in The Marvels that the Skrulls have found a planet to live on and have been there for apparently some time. Also, you just know that Marvel immediately realized they made Emilia Clarke way too fucking powerful and she's never going to show up ever again even though she'd be really useful in the next few Avengers movies.
>>219988507Anon, your argument was, Alonzo was to blame and Feige was on break. You got angry when I criticised Feige as being the main one responsible (other people of course were also responsible, but he was the main one). My argument was Feige set the precedent and structure that followed. I used evidence to show this. You denied that evidence to say wahh you hate women. Despite me saying the complete opposite and explaining my point. Whilst also you claimed you hate wokeness and Captain Marvel. Whilst also seemingly defending Captain Marvel and Feige. Take your meds.
>>219987047Is Mark Ruffalo a masochist ?
>>219988014But why strong independent men need women, then?
>>219992589post tits
>>219991173It was an expensive investment for the studio as well. It's not like Evan Peters is cheap. A twist is something going a hard different direction, a turn is a going down a different path. This wasn't a twist or a turn, it was a dead end. It's such a terrible answer to an interesting question. The whole series suffers from this. Random things in color when it's black and white. Monica just gets powers. It was so lazy. And then, the guy who made WandaVision, Matt Shakman, directs Fantastic Four. Which was better, but painfully mid and not very fantastic. The studio rewarded him with more work, which just punished the fans.
>>219982363> What killed the MCUKilled? Aren't they currently in phase 12 or some shit with like 4 movies coming out this year?
>>219992797And what was the ultimate payoff for the whole thing? Boehner comes back later in Agatha All Along, revealing he's been deeply traumatized by Agatha's brainwashing, and the characters... thought it was funny? Like it was presented as a comedic moment? Fuck everything about this 'character' and his screentime.
>>219986499>>Russos literally didn't know how to use her because she was stuffed in.To be fair, the Russos always take the least creative and interesting choice pretty much each and every time, so. While it was unfortunate that Carol got shoved in right before Endgame, they could've come up with SOMETHING for her to do. Literally having her say "You may not see me for a while" on-screen is one of the laziest writing jobs I've ever seen in a big budget Hollywood blockbuster.
>>219982363captain marvel and gay, race communism woketardation jewry
>>219982363Love her.
>>219983777Disney should have had the balls to bring back Terrance howard as Rhodey by saying cheadle's Rhodey was a skrull
>>219988955she had that rock dude's arm from planet hulk (Thor 3). I have no clue who the fuck has ice powers. I think the other guy had abomination. It is stupid to have drax, hulk abomination, and the rock fag because they are just strong. Isnt captain marvel supposed to be stronger than all of them? retarded shit
>>219983805They bet so fucking hard on all Disney+ shows and they all underperformed to varying degrees besides Wandavision. Loki and Werewolf by Night were the only decent ones out of the whole thing.
>>219996286>It is stupid to have drax, hulk abomination, and the rock fag because they are just strong. Isnt captain marvel supposed to be stronger than all of them? retarded shitMaybe the idea was whoever uses the DNA is as strong as all of them put together, so she has like insane super god strength? Still dumb, but whatever.
>>219984295I feel like Bullseye just stabbing someone is the equivalent of holding the gun right up to the TV while playing Duck Hunt.
>>219996531thats hawkeye fag
>>219996929Same difference.
>>219982507He should return in The batman 2, keep the tone of the first movie but just dump arnies freeze in it
>>219988950solo was still going to suck with Hack & Hack in charge
>>219982363Women. They should have all been HULKD
>>219983570not really, the secret invasion gets glazed, as kids say, thanks to ONE cartoon that did an ok job adaptingthe actual book is mediocre to bad
>>219983759that's because the producers were betting on her GoT popularity to bring interest to a dying franchise lol
>>219982507COOL PARTY
>>219982363Women. You can't have fun in world ruled by women
>>219993074They tried to salvage it, but the moment was gone. No one wants an apology for fucking up a big opportunity. I don't get how they can be so disconnected to audiences after doing such a good job. Civil War, Ragnarok, Infinity War, they are so good, it's crazy. Lots of stuff inbetween is great too, GotG2, Spider-man, and so on. Was it test screenings? The TV shows have none.
>>219985116black apologists deserve the rope
outside of comic book nerds nobody gives a shit about seeing super hero stories go on and on and on forever like it's Beautiful or something.Outside of Superman the characters aren't even that iconic, nobody needs to see more than half a dozen Spiderman or Batman movies through their entire lifetime
>>219999465it's my fault, i'm sorry about them
>>219999578Superman had 4, Batman had 4. You don't drag it out endlessly. X-men did 3, then a prequel then a late sequel and tried to milk it with more prequels. DOFP was an ending as well and people were satisfied. There's just no brakes on the money train. Star Trek tried to keep milking it and learned, end it. 20 years is long time to keep giving a shit about these characters. This will be 26 years of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in these movies, doing it some 4-7 times each. It's just... enough already.
>>219983507To be fair, BlackRock could be actually trying to force conservative politics, by forcing so much insane liberal, queer, and misandrist content, that large sections of the public rebel and ho back to conservative leanings.
>>219996286My thing is how would either of these two know how to use the powers they just got? Is mantis really that popular in mcu earth where people just know she can put you to sleep?
>>220000210Pretty brutal to trans a society and convince them to castrate themselves including many young adults who ended up killing themselves to try and boost the conservative mindset, I believe it though
>>219984917Civil War I don't mind being just one movie but secret invasion should have been a plot line that consisted of at least 2 movies.
>>219984343>And it really feels like streaming shows are the same, written for the trades. Take a 2 hour screen play, stuff it into 6-8 episodes. Now everything feels kind of boring, no momentum or pace to it. Everything is flattened.Dam. Good comparison. I remember when fans popularized the term.
>>219982507>>219982634>>219982662good posts
>>219983471eh she's a good eye candy, terrible casting agent tho
>>219999133>They should have all been HULKD
>>219990085>She's the perfect sarah Connor but they used the wrong version of the characterThe fuck you mean? This is awful casting all around
>>219983471>>219990085>>220001319It's so weird... I remember seeing the trailer for Terminator Genisys and thinking "Man, I don't know who that actress is, but she's NAILING Sarah Connor. She looks almost exactly like Linda Hamilton. Like this is some 'Josh Brolin as Tommy Lee Jones in Men In Black 3' level casting." Which is weird, because I knew who Emilia Clarke was prior to Genisys. And now, for some reason, whenever I see clips or images from Genisys... it's just Emilia Clarke, and whatever resemblance to Linda Hamilton I saw in her before is completely gone. I have no idea why I thought she looked so similar. I guess my brain had a brief case of dumb.
>>220000261boosting trans is how you end minority rights though, all the trans are white men in media for a reason. Just like how white women are the biggest benefits of anti racism etc.
>>219982363Feminists. It's funny how women actually loved MCU thanks to having hot men and actual cool female character like Black Widow
>>219982363no one likes minority and women in leads, especially minorities and women
>>219982507his best role btw
>>220002068/thread
>>220001278>>220001302why did you delete the first one it's the same post
>>220001999Elaborate, lay out the master plan
>>219985734Yidney are literally paying him half a billion so they can try that again.
The perfect girlboss movie is woke. News at eleven.
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>>219991539Also the big cliffhanger of the President declaring war on non-humans which immediately gets forgotten about since General Ross becomes President like two or so projects later.
>>220003699THISSSSSS. I hate how quickly they glossed over this but they had to since nobody watched secret invasion since they made one of the most important plot lines a 6 episode disney+ show while the marvels got put on the silver screen.
>>219990085Whats it like to be retarded?
Gravik and that British lady had such good performances in this show, shame the MCU will never bring her back. Also don't think they had to kill Gravik.
>>219982507>CHILL..... CHILL.....I love the movie I don't care what faggots say.
>>220003699>>220004120>Secret Invasion Episode 6 - July 26 2023>The Marvels - November 10 2023The skrulls are back to being refugees who luckily found a new home. There was 0 communication between these two projects. Feige had reportedly planned to have James Gunn over see space related productions and never had someone fill that role. This connected universe is disconnected now.
>>219983616The script should be king but they make it feel like an afterthought
>>220000261Wouldn't even be the worst thing they have done in history.
>>219983759I don't know if the film could have been saved otherwise but she was definitely a shitty Sarah Connor and that didn't help
>>220002526Crashing the plane with no survivors
>>220004601>Capeshit movies fell in the same convoluted endless crossover trap that killed capeshit comicsPottery
>>219982363Literally captain marvel. Them shoving her in Endgame shit on everything.
>>219987498Spidey famously for decades was not an Avenger. He wouldn't share his identity
>>220005370I blame the writers and director, not her. genisys still did better at the box office than 3, salvation and dark fate though.
>>219983471They should just cast her in “Attack of the 50ft Woman” if they really want to make her intimidating.Even a pudgy mouse is scary if they’re bigger than a building
>>219982507This quote has been stuck in my head for the past twenty years and I will randomly say "THE ICE AGE" out loud while stimming. I don't even remember the rest of the movie (besides Uma Thurman obviously)
>>220001746>I remember seeing the trailer for Terminator Genisys and thinking "Man, I don't know who that actress is, but she's NAILING Sarah Connor.You must be a gigantic retard if you genuinely thought she could nail this role
>>219982363Basically,TV shows about characters that nobody cares about
>>220005855If it had been the timid scared Sarah, I think she could’ve done great.
>>219986297I think the poor cameraman has parkinson's
>>219983632monkey see monkey do
>>219983587I think the only real meaningful difference was Evans and RDJ being compelling leads that the franchise clearly lacks now. But yeah I agree. Many of the criticisms people have about the modern MCU are like 99% applicable to the so called “golden age” of the MCU. People were just blind to it then because the MCU was admittedly doing something novel at the time and promising a payoff, but that was it.
>>219984549Lol, I'm not him
