Why is star trek (classic series at least) so good at making likable villains? Klingons in the original series great Romulans in TNG great And the greatest Cardassian in DS9(I haven't watched Voyager or Enterprise yet so maybe they suck I don't know)What's their secret?
>>219996587They had writers who were actually talented
Writers who knew how to write good, compelling characters and good actors to play them, That simple. Now we have nepo hire blue hairs writing seriously cringy fan fiction head cannon with self inserts and, also, nepo actor hire's who are underqualified to appear in a cereal commercial.
>>219996616& Jewish.
dukat wasn't supposed to be likable, the audience was supposed to be aghast at his every appearance hence the writers chimping out later and fucking up his character
They wrote them as real people with believable motivations tied to their jobs, families and peoples. They built worlds and empires around the characters so you knew exactly why they were doing what they were doing. And often it wasn't so morally black and white. You ended up respecting them even though they were the antagonists. Even applauding them sometimes when they managed to get one over on the protagonists. They were believable instead of just evil caricatures
>>219996587jeffrey combs
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>>219996757>And often it wasn't so morally black and white.well>You know, old man, sometimes life seems so complicated. Nothing is truly good or truly evil. Everything seems to be a shade of grey. And then you spend some time with a man like Dukat and you realise that there is really such a thing as truly evil.
>>219996811For me? It's him as Shran and AGIMUS
>>219996587The generation of writers that made classic films and television series grew up reading novels and watching theater.The generation of writers that made modern films and television series grew up watching classic films and television.The generation of writers making current films and television series grew up watching modern films and television.The next generation of writers is growing up watching current films and television.It will only get worse.
>>219996721does that also explain why they fucked up the story and implied it was all just a dream by a black man in a 50s nutbin?
How likely would it be the villain in a Star Trek episode?>100%: Chaos Daemons, Death Guard, World Eaters, Dark Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, Adeptus Mechanicus, Ecclestiarchy>90%: Necrons>75%: Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Black Templars, Thousand Sons>40%: Eldar, Harlequins, Tau, Space Wolves, Blood Angels>30%: Votann>10%: Exodites
>>219997204Shut the fuck up.
You guys ever notice that if Starfleet just stayed in their own galaxy they wouldn't have to deal with war and disease?
>>219997491Correct.
>>219997491Starfleet does stay in their own galaxy, you mong.
>>219997491like 99.9% of everything Starfleet does is in their own galaxy, dumbfuck
>>219996587Enterprise has the best villain turned bro of the whole franchise
>>219997707 >>219997722Whatever you know what I mean
>>219997752Of course.But WHAT DO YOU mean?
>>219997752No, I have no idea what you mean. You sound like a fucking Pakled right now
>>219997811Hey cool it with the Star Trek references buddy.
>>219997809Your mother
>Starfleet should stay in their own galaxy>Yes, own galaxy is good
>>219997897My mother has never left the Alpha Quadrant.
>>219997931Stop same fagging
>>219998010Huh. I dunno about that. The other night after I was pumping yer mom's butt I pulls out and all the whatnot starts blasting out. It's like a jet and up she goes, clear out of the Alpha Quadrant
>>219998023You can leave the galaxy if you don't like it
>>219998077Into the Beta Quadrant I'm sure.
>>219998172 I think that's what we're trying to avoid here.
>>219996587It's the benefits of long running series where villains can return again and again to harass the heroes and go though their own development over time. You get to understand their motivations and respect their cunning and tenacity and you know you're in a for a good time when they return. You just don't really get that from a movie or modern streaming show where they have way shorter time to make you care about what the villains are doing.
>>219996587Star Trek was blessed to have writers who genuinely cared about writing scifi. I think it was important for them to have every character have a certain tone, meaning they wrote dialogue a certain way for that character. Take Odo, brooding but inquisitive, by the book. "I'm watching you, Quark." You even read it in his voice just now. The writers had a specific way to write each character that made them feel real. Modern dialogue just feels like rambling stream of consciousness. Theres no thought to whether it makes sense for a character to say something, they just go "Yeah that sounds bad ass." Towards the end, we saw the wheels fall off a bit of Janeway, who was written 4 different ways depending on who was doing the script.
Kirk always gets shat on for haming it up but sisko gets a pass?
>>219999427The media spent decades convincing people there was something wrong with Shatner's acting and there really isn't.
>>219999479Agreed. But why what did he do to get clown on
>>219999479Shatner memes are derived pretty much entirely from that time he sang Rocket Man and Jim Carey's impression of him on In Living Color.
>>219999427The shat definitely goes farther than avery brooks does in the ham factor, but his freakouts and mannerisms fit the tone of the original series and its movies just fine
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>>219996587because they used good actors
>>219996587Voyagerts had terrible villains; Seska herself is fine but she's tied to an alien race so shitty they later make it canon that the Borg thought assimilating them would be a downgrade. Then later they bring back the Borg Queen and I'm in the camp that thinks she is a terrible addition to the series mythos and completely robs of what made the Borg so intimidating in Q Who/Best of Both Worlds.ENT however gives us more Jeffrey Combs kino as a bro-tier antagonist. Plus I really like the Xindi. Not sure if that's a popular opinion or not.
