So was he a pedo or not?
>>220001943i have a whole folder that answers the question
>>220001943Dang dude I don't know, he slept with little boys, sounds innocent to me.
His songs become more meaningful and danceable when I think of him as a pedo.
>>220001962IMHO he did weird behaviour around kids but didn't actually do any abuse.
>>220001943Reminder the family in the 1993 case fled the country the moment they received the settlement for the civil case. They refused to cooperate with the police and FBI for the criminal case. Does this sound like real victims?
>>220001980This. he was a guy with a fucked up childhood who developed an obvious Peter Pan syndrome.he liked to be around children and probably did things most people would find inappropriate, but I don't think he actually fucked kids.in his mind he was just doing kid stuff with his kid friends, who were kids just like him.
Jackson was only truly himself on stage. I think his life outside of his work was a weird mess because like many creative geniuses he had no identity outside of his work.
>>220001962Dude. WHO HUGGED YOU WEN YOOU WERE BORN. are YOU HECKING HEINZ DOOFENSHMIRTS>>220001972yes check the definition of rthe word pedo, burger boy. being internal child is not a bad thing, boomer
>>220001943What do you think, Sherlock? Of course he did. This is Hollywood that we are talking about, the show business. Do you really think this guy as an angel of light? Give me a break.
>>220001943I'm going to blow your fucking mind: Whether he did or not, Michael Jackson is still a weird, gross freak whose music is overrated. It's not like it's JUST the pedo allegations that are the problem.
>>220001980We've arrived at what is, for me, the essential question. Obviously Michael had an abnormal interest in other people's children. A paedophilic interest, let's not turn away from the obvious. The question is not whether he had those feelings – he clearly did – the question is did he act on those feelings, and if so, then to what extent?If you watch the Leaving Neverland documentary, those two guys will tell you that Michael was a hardcore molester who rammed his dick up their arses and down their throats. Maybe that's true, but I'm sceptical. The Jacko-defenders are correct when they say that those two have an ulterior motive, and are out for the money. I also thought there was something a bit too theatrical about their interviews.Still, the Neverland situation was unnatural. People give Michael a pass because of his music and his glamour, but imagine if someone you knew in real life, an ordinary peasant, had little boys around his house for regular weekend sleepovers. And when you ask him why he's doing this, he tells you he's just living the childhood he never had. You accept that explanation from Michael, but would you accept it from a man who stacks shelves at Walmart?
>>220001943not
>>220002153Jackson had a ton of psychological issues, and became the literal embodiment of "fame is the mask that eats the face".But him having a Peter Pan fixation arguably makes him unlikely to have done any abuse as that would contradict the desire to be a child.The tragedy of his life is that no one sat him down and said "This is crazy, y ou can't do this, Michael".
>>220001943he was not a pedo but if he was he earned those kids
Did he ever invite little girls to Neverland Ranch? It seems he had a type: white boys. And he excluded all other children.
>>220002209Idk there was that aboriginal guy in Aus who kidnapped and kid then treated them like a living brats doll
>>220001943I think he was, in that he was attracted to children, but I don't think he actually acted on it.
>>220001943There's no evidence against him despite a shitload of accusations (some of which were proven fraudulent), so I'm going to go with emotionally stunted weirdo who was robbed of his childhood and thus went about recapturing it in unsuitable ways for his agePossibly also never had the self-confidence to have a real fuck partner and was confused sexually, but not a pedo in the strictest sense of the word no
>>220001943Only if those little boys didn't enjoy it
>>220001943Aren't we all, anon? Aren't we all?
>>220001943He was a pedo but not a "malicious" pedo if that makes sense. He didn't "rape" kids in the ass but he did manipulate them emotionally and did shit like cry like a child if they didn't want to cuddle with him or masturbate infront of him. Basically he did the thing where your average anon would say "dude it's NOT rape!!" because he didn't physically push anyone down and fuck them up the ass, but he still did fucked up sexual stuff with kids and was obviously the one who iniated it. I know >we make fun of shit like "power dynamics" but the power dynamic was fucking insane because he was arguably the most famous person on the planet and most of the parents were massive fans, so it's fair to say they were "in on it". Either way it's fucked up.
>>220003501Also his father used to strip him, oil him up, and then beat the shit out of him with a belt. It's very likely he molested him too. You can look at it as hereditary pedophilia
>>220002418>a real fuck partnerHe allegedly fathered 3 children but I think basically everyone seriously doubts he is the biological parent of those 3
>>220001958Michael Jackson had zero children, Deshawn.
If a Jew said that he slept in the same bed as little boys but never molested them, would you believe him?
>>220003532Debbie Rowe must've been so white she beat every last bit of black out of them. Paris and the boy on the left don't even have the mixed race broccoli hair. The kid on the right looks rican more than anything. I never believed that they were his kids.
>>220001943Normal people don't collect nude pictures of little boys
>>220003532Yeah, and the weird thing is that there was no reason for him not to be the father. It's not like his jizz was sterile, even if he might have been a fag.
>>220003599He was an AESTHETE, a lover of beautiful things who wrote poems about spring on the back of erotic playing cards depicting little boys
>>220001943If he was he would've tried harder to look like he wasn't. The fact that he was obliviously doing things that looked very questionable without trying to hide it suggests that he was just mentally ill.
>>220002418I think he was gay. I don't mean that as an insult, considering I grew up as a fan of MJ, but a lot of his mannerisms, his way of speaking, his interests, and his excessive showmanship and so on align with those of the fruitiest faggots.
>>220003637Sure
>>220003532It's very doubtful any of them are biologically his. Most people forget that Michael is black. No way a black man has 3 kids with zero black features.
>>220003657I mean Dirty Diana pretty much spells it out
>>220003654He was a nigger.When have they tried very hard to conceal their criminal activities?
>>220003704He was part white. Joe Jackson had some white ancesty, and you can tell just by looking at him. He's clearly not a full blooded negro, and even has light, greenish eyes.That said, that still doesn't explain why his kids have virtually no white features.
He himself was definitely preyed on. That's for sure.
100% gay pedo.
>>220001943he named the jew and was subsequently destroyed, so I doubt he did anything wrong
So dude just wanted to pretend to be a kid and have his own squad to hang out?
I don't get why anons here still believe what the news said about him after everything we've learned over the years. Why take the news as credible anymore? Why continue to eat up their bullshit?
>>220004113/tv/ is a mass media jew brained board lol
>>220004070First pedo allegation: 1993"Naming the jew": 1995
>>220004144I'm sure he named them before that. Also they wanted the rights to his Beatles music or something.
>>220004113Why do you defend an obvious gay pedophile who admitted to sleeping in bed with unrelated boys?https://youtu.be/MMrOZte3hvo?is=qax-4DYfFcrVVYEW
>>220004157>or somethingKek. Stop believing hearsay you read on /pol/.
>>220004194I won't stop. Jackson named the Jew, and they came for him.
>>220004205But he came for those boys first, if you catch my drift.
>>220003608I thought he was rendered sterile by 70’s acne medication
>>220004225He didn't though
>>220004608But he did. He admitted to sleeping in bed with boys, had nude boy books and photos next to his bed, and 8 boys he slept with have accused him of molestation. Use your critical thinking skills if you have any, and put two and two together.
>>220002058I only recently found out he was abused by his dad. Yeah no shit he turned out fucked up
>>220001943>>220003780>>220004063My tongue, Michael Jackson's arsehole
>>220001943All I gotta say is that (((they))) don't really care about us
>>220004088he grew up in the showbiz and got beat by his dad, its not unusual for these types of people to end up as manchildren
>>220001943No. Definitely not. He was framed.
>>220004683This one's pretty hard to ignore. What is the precise justification for having photo albums of naked boys? I can even justify doing weirdo sleepovers with boys because you're a stunted man child or something, but photo books of naked boys? You're just a gay pedo
>>220004771And the most damning fact is that he kept them in the bedroom where he slept with boys, not in his "huge library" like Wacko defenders like to cope. It's obvious what he used them for. He wasn't admiring their artistic merits, that's for sure.
>>220001943He had a room with pictures of naked babies on the walls.
So the real question isWas it vitaligo or skin bleaching? Why have no other niggers been able to bleach so clearly since then? Has there ever been an in between of black to white? The true MJ mystery
>>220004818>>220004771Meh, could've easily been planted evidence. I'll bet he didn't even know the boys in those books
>>220005034You have to believe in conspiracies to think that Wacko dindu nuffin.
>>220004205>b-but based Michael was anti jew!He was best buddies with and employed Rabbi Schlumi the dildo salesman as his spiritual advisor, you fucking oaf.
>>220003532Mj had white ancestry. I could believe that Blanket is his, he’s pretty mixed looking. Paris and the other kid definitely aren’t his though.
>>2200039752 of them look white enough.
>>220004858Bleaching. Sammy Sosa got pretty white.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/133wmi2/michael_jackson_age_35_covers_the_walls_of_his/
>>220001943No. But the people who set him up were.
>>220004683I do think he did it, but you’re uttering the same talking points that have been discredited. The beds and rooms in general they slept in were HUGE according to Macaulay Culkin. Also it was known that parents of some accusers were objectively looking for a paycheck.
>>220001943it's very likely he got framed by the Jews since he wanted to release the Palestine song or because he said "kike me" in a song.having sleepovers with kids?well, that's weird especially when your audience ranged from teenagers to middle aged single moms, I know his intentions were to have "sleepovers" to give a sense of innocence to the children or just to "hey I'm rich and famous I can help kids by giving their dreams of meeting a superstar".I want to believe he was innocent but there's no way to make sleeping with kids sound normal for an adult, it would make sense if you had an orphanage running and the kids looked up to you like a fatherly figure.I admit whatever rumors were there likely originated because of Jews but it's hard to look at his situation and even if you ignore whatever Jews said about him it's hard to deny that he could have been a pedophile, he might be actually the kind of that doesn't touch kids but still enacts his fantasies in legal ways, similar to Japanese lolicons that watch little girls karaoke in tight revealing dresses.my conclusion is he might have been one but never harmed a child sexually
>>220002209Weird shit with kids can still be unacceptable and still draw the distinction that it was not molestation or pedophilia. No one here knows jack shit about what went down in them beds Michael shared with kids. Could easily have been Jacko having an "innocent" sleepover in his mind, or he really could have diddled kids. There is no convincing evidence to this day that exonerates or implicates him.
There is no concrete evidence and the accusers displayed a ton of very suspicious behavior. When tens of millions of dollars are on the line, parents can put so much pressure on children that they can make them believe things that didn’t happen. MJ was a strange dude, but I don’t think he did anything illegal.
>>220003532The kid on the right could be his. He's got the nose and other facial features for it.
>>220003572Nice projection, schlomo. The pedophile accusations are almost assuredly a defamatory attempt by Jews due to MJ calling their exploitative practices out.
>>220005325The size of the room doesn't mean anything when he and the boys admitted they slept in the same bed despite there being another bed upstairs. It just further raises the question of why he insisted on sleeping in the same bed. And a lot of the parents probably did knowingly pimp their sons to Wacko in exhange for the gifts and favors he lavished them with.
>>220005531Dumbfuck pedo apologist. See:>>220004144
he only got fucked by little boys and sucked their peepees thats not that bad
He was innocent. In 1993, there was no criminal case because the evidence didn't add up. In 2005 when they actually brought him to a criminal case, he was acquitted. For 10 years in between this, the FBI investigated. They found nothing. When you do the research, it is actually crazy- the accusers came from known families of grifters who filed other frivolous lawsuits. And the media reported on the prosecutions evidence like it was fact- and then refused to report on the 2 weeks Jackson's defense team had. There are a lot of other things- like Chandler refusing to say MJ molested him until his dad gave him powerful drugs (he was a dentist and had access to such things) that just dont add up. At his trial, George Lopez and Jay Leno both said the family had asked for money and were aggressive.
>>220004144What was the ethnicity of the first pedo allegation? A man born with the last name, Charmatz, but changed it to Chandler to hide something... hmmm. I wonder what ethnicity is famous for being sneaky and being opportunistic for financial gain...
>>220005706Why did Wacko decide to sleep 30 in a row with a boy of that ethnicity? Ask yourself that question.
>>220002418He was probably raped and groomed by Diana Ross and then tossed aside
>>220005733Why did old Charmatz, who was a diagnosed bi-polar sociopath, who fed his own son hallucinogenic drugs "commit suicide" the minute Jacko died? The guy is even recorded on a phone call admitting the whole allegation was made up to extort money out of Michael.Why are you on /tv/ trying so hard to defend a particular ethnicity? Hmm...
>>220001943>So was he a pedo or not?I don't care. He made Thriller.
>>220005841That "phone call" is known to have been spliced together by Wacko's PR team to make it sound more incriminating. Why are you defending a criminal n*gger pedophile who almost exclusively raped white boys? Is the Estate even paying you well? I'm guessing they're trying to rehabilitate his image with shills now that the movie was trashed critically.
>>220005928>n*ggerlol
The allegations were too detailed imo for it to be baseless.
>>220001943no, classic case of "couldnt act his age"fucked up childhood if him having an absolute banger resume before he even hit puberty wasnt enough of an indicationThen theres plenty of testimony about how fucked up the patriarch of the jackson family wasit genuinely seemed like he was trying to live a childhood with friends he never had a chance to makeYes boys have sleepoversyes it sounds gay as fuckbut if there's no evidence then its not true
>>220005928Hoo boy. Get called out, immediately resort with projection.
>>220004144Chronology has never been the black community's strong suit.
>>220001943of course he was HOWEVER the people that did documentaries on him were liars trying to get a quick dollar.
>>220006002>want to make zillions of dollars>your zillion dollar target will have big fat lawyers>wtf i cant be bothered to think up an elaborate lie for a lifetime of wealth
>>220001943Let me just list out the first case where this came from:>The guy whose step-son he supposedly abused was relying on favors from him to try and make it in Hollywood.>He wanted $20 million to fund a dance movie he was making, MJ said no and cut him off.>His kid goes to an unscheduled dental appointment, with a dentist who happened to be a personal friend of the step-father's, and supposedly admitted while under laughing gas that he was abused by MJ.>Stepdad waits until MJ was in between legs of an expensive world tour, then slaps him with the lawsuit.>MJs own advisors tell him to just pay the guy to fuck off or the court case will force him to cancel the tour costing way more.>What was the settlement? $20 million.>Stepson refused to ever have anything to do with any subsequent cases against MJ and went no contact with the stepdad the instant he turned 18 and could take his share of the settlement and fuck off.>Stepdad later killed himself.
>>220005271Damn wtf this is weird
>>220001943Michael Jackson's pronouns are He/He
>>220003532That guy on the right looks legitimately confused about why he is even there. Is this sham supposed to go on my whole fucking life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4SJVsTulc
You'll have to wait for the sequel to Michael to find out
>>220006475Martin Scorsese best work.
>>220001943Let's hear what the [REDACTED] in Hollywood who hated Micheal think.
>>220006475
>>220006475Bad is his best album
>>220006475Why would he write an entire song about bragging about being bad?
>>220006844Shamone motherfucker.
The 2005 trial was a complete sham, no matter what you think about him in a wider context.
ok so HOW IS THE MOVIE??
>>220006989where's this text from?
>>220007053it's okay. good production, thin plot. definitely didn't help important scenes got cut because diana ross
>>220002058most child actors singers have that same syndrome with the exception of gary coleman who wanted to be an adult but couldn't
>>220006475YO DING DONG MAN YO DING DONG YO
>>220007119>entire third act got scrapped because of legal issues>big part of first act got scrapped because of legal issuesfucking hell
>>220007119>>220007167Someone needs to do what they did to the Avatar movie and hack the studio servers and release the original movie
>>220001943Never found a shred of evidence despite a months-long FBI raid and spying on him, listening to his calls etc. People who testified against him had massive holes in their stories like describing his dick completely wrong. If MJ did do anything he'd have to be a Moriarty level criminal genius and he doesn't look the type. More likely he's simply a weirdo with stunted mental growth who genuinely thinks carousel rides and sleepovers are rad in his middle age like he's still 6.Until you can find some actual hard evidence I say not guilty.
>>220007201would the original movie even exist? like, is it just sitting on the studio servers for ages, never to be released and only watched by a few employees?
>>220007246>Never found a shred of evidencelie>People who testified against him had massive holes in their stories like describing his dick completely wronglie>If MJ did do anything he'd have to be a Moriarty level criminal genius and he doesn't look the typeno he's just a regular ass pedo who cries that he dindu nuffin>More likely he's simply a weirdo with stunted mental growth who genuinely thinks carousel rides and sleepovers are rad in his middle age like he's still 6nope
>>220007312Denial is not evidence buddy.
My opinion is that he was just a complete nutter whose autism framed his behavior recapturing a lost childhood in the weirdest way. It's difficult to imagine a normal person coming up with the excuses he had but he wasn't a normal person either. And his accusers, regardless of whether he did or not, where definitely taking advantage of that which makes it seem even more like he was actually innocent.
>>220003532This was MJ as a kid. There are zero commonalities between any of his children and him. None of them looked mixed, none of them have like skull/brown/jaw features, and one of them looks almost entirely White.
Jackson started out as a black musician. I wonder what the bruthaz down in the hood thought when they saw this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puQEcN_iI9o&list=RDpuQEcN_iI9o&start_radio=1
>>220007436I don't get why you MJ defenders need to lie about everything>there was no evidence, ever! not a single shred!there was plenty of evidence, which is why the state of California decided to take him to trial. >no no no>the biased jury found him not guilty>therefore all the evidence presented as the trial simply does not count that's not how evidence works>you are a jew!>you are a jew!>you are a jew!>you are a jew!there's still plenty of evidence that MJ was a pedo dude>you are a jew!>you are a jew!
>>220004683I don't see anything illegal here.
i'm glad michael jackson is a real person otherwise there'd be a lot of michael x branca fanfics after the movie came out
>>220007491Michael was alright looking, no idea why he went mental and got plastic surgery.
>>220007524and that's the creed of the pedo defender>I get to be the judge of what's inappropriate >I decide none of the hundreds of thousands of creepy evidence are admissible in my courtroom>I deem Michael completely innocent>my ruling is finalyou thinking there's nothing wrong with owning literal child pornography is solely representative of your own twisted beliefs, buddy
>>220001943He was autistic
>>220007612MJ never owned porn.
>>220008093see? more lies not a single MJ simp can defend him without resorting to lies or made-up nonsense ("he couldn't have touched a child because he didn't understand sexual attraction") there's literally no argument you can make that both:>acknowledges all the factual statements about his life>defends him from molesting children so instead you need to lie and chip away at all the factual statements, hoping other idiots will consume your lies without question
How did Prince manage to avoid scandals like this
>>220008203By fucking adult women?
>>220008203every other celebrity in the entire world avoided scandals like this by not demanding to have sleepovers with unrelated little boys every goddamn night
>>220001943I can’t even imagine the level of self-delusion required to think that a weirdo who slept in the same bed as unrelated little boys wasn’t freaked out. Yeah, he was a pedo, obviously
>>220008203https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnYmWpD_T8
>>220008223And men
>>220008223>>220008242>>220008270I should have said >How did he manage to avoid scandals Instead
>>220003532he just had junkie friends and adopted from them its not that bad
>>220008318It's easy to be a private person when you have that much money. Look at Tom Cruise - despite all the rumors and whispers nobody really knows what gay shit he gets up to when he's not filming MI movies. The problem Michael had was fucking American kids, discarding them when he found another kid, and then expecting them to never blab that the world's most famous musician molested them
Why are schizos so obsessed with Michael Jackson? Now there are theories that he's still alive and is some guy named Jack Crooner.
>>220001943Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman defend him to this day.
>>220008869another liewhy must you guys always lie?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4iDbssmTdY
>>220008203By having sex with women, not little boys. You know, like a normal person. It's pretty easy, actually.
>>220008093They found tons of porn strewn about his house, some with little boys' prints on them. He obviously used porn for grooming purposes.
>>220008945News to me, I guess I don't follow the celebrity gossip as much as you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l039y9FaIjc
>>220009056no you just make up lies about a dead pedo and spread them in the hopes that others sympathize with the dead pedo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps
A 35 year old man paying off parents to have their 12 year old sons sleep in his bed is perfectly normal. Nothing to see here. Move along.
>>220001943i like beat it
>>220009562Why wouldn't you let your son sleep with a celebrity star like MJ and Diddy?
>>220008438>The problem Michael had was fucking American kidsI sometimes wonder if it was a kind of racial revenge. Some black men take a special pride in fucking white women because they feel like they're scoring points against the slave masters of old. Maybe Mike had that same need for retribution, but instead of women, he slipped his length up little white boys.If so, I think it was very misguided attempt at settling the score. Because IF MARTIN LUTHER WERE LIVIN, HE WOULDN'T LET THIS BE NO, NO, NO
>>220009594Exactly. It's stupid not to.
>>220009612Nah I think he just found white boys the most attractive. It squares with how he constructed his image with the surgery.
>>220007495he looks like a kpop
>>220001943the only thing that matter is he makes a certain tribe seethe more than anything else. for that reason alone he should be held in the highest regard ad eternum.
>>220001943When the Bible says "Judge not that ye be not judged," it means that if you judge the reality of others you will be unable to avoid judging your own. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/76#1:4 | T-3.VI.1:4)
