I plan to have a girlfriend someday but I need to fix my trauma first. I can't even have friends while I'm like this.

I’m 34(kissless, touchless) it's already over for me.
It never even came close to starting.

>>220028875
my girlfriend will be playing AOE2 as usual my left hand will be holding the drinks

>>220028875
We watched 8 episodes of No Way Out: The Roulette

>>220028875
Kids Return
I'm blessed with a gf who watches and enjoys Kino with me

I had a girlfriend once. It isn't as awesome as people say it is.

We're watching season 2 of Nirvana the Band the Show.

>>220028875
Hi anons. Idk if you remember my post from yesterday but I’m gonna take her to see the drama tonight instead, we didn’t make it out last night because we decided to stay in and have weird kinky sex a for hours and hours. God bless

Thinking about just getting an escort to do gfe shit. I wanna bring an old t-shirt and have her wear that and panties, and we just cuddle on the couch
I’m so fuckin lonely man.

>>220028875
We watched the drama during the day and tonight we watched the negotiator and carrie. All 3 movies sucked but negotiator was okay.

>>220028875
no idea how I'd even be able to sleep like that. I need headphones, a body pillow, a head pillow with the right amount of fluff, the TV on, the fan in low speed mode, ASMR playing in my headphones, my blanket that's not too hot and not too cold, to even be able to fall sleep

Girlfriend?

>>220031483
on this website?

I have been alone for 21 years.

>>220028875
Only desperate lonely virgins think couples sleep like this

none of us are making it

I'm gonna be doping some chick's drink at a club nearby, I'll bring her home and tie her up to my couch, and make her watch eraserhead with me, six or seven times in a row, wish me luck guys

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>implying

>not ugly, in decent shape, maybe even decent looking
>no major childhood trauma, wasn't molested as a kid or abused or anything like that
>mfw turning 27 and still a virgin who's never had a gf

Man, I really don't know what's wrong with me or why I ended up this way. Why has this formative life milestone that comes effortlessly for most people continued to elude my entire life, all the way from adolescence to adulthood? I have friends that were chubby, D&D-playing nerds and even they had gfs and fucked in high school. I've known plenty of "weirdos" who still managed to find a girl that liked them.

People might say I lack confidence or sexual allure, but like I said I've known plenty of gamers and nerds who definitely aren't casanovas yet they've still found love

>>220032690
You need to be outgoing

>>220028966
Someday we all die

the one with the guy on the roof

>>220028875
Something by Wes Anderson probably.

Never had an ltr. Been rejected a lot. Tried again recently. I will get over it, I always do. Basically, there is one woman a my church who is legitimately single and we have been really having a lot of great conversations lately. I'm surprised how similar we all. Well, today I figured I'd ask her out and got a hard no. She was so disappointed I liked her lmao. I knew there would be a chance she didn't like me but she was legit upset I had a romantic interest in her.

lmao, its so over. I'm in my early 30s and its pretty obvious that this was my last chance.

All normie advice, red pill or blue pill, progressive or conservative, from the young or the old is just bad. I manned up, I was myself, I was confident, I met a "church girl" with similar values and interests". I did it offline. None of that matters lol.

Be attractive, don't be unattractive.

>>220032690
just be confident bro

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>>220028875

I got my girl into The Wire... is this considered a success?

>>220032690
just go to the gym bro it will solve everything bro

>>220035733
Nah, you should have watched the Shield.

>>220030254
Based beyond belief

>>220032690
Get into drugs and booze bro

>>220032690
>not ugly
you're definitely ugly

>>220033472
I would honestly just start shooting at this point

>>220028966
you dont have to fix your trauma completely, just enough to the point where you know youre consistently growing in a good direction. Then you can bang your trauma out from there and properly bond with your future wife

>>220032690
are you a schizoid? passive? you have to actually try to MAKE things happen. women are the passive sex, not men. if you're passive as a man it doesn't matter how chad you are, you won't get crap in life. you have to go out and make sex and a girlfriend happen. You are in the pilots seat. Some BPD ho isn't just going to walk up to you and steer the entire interaction towards sex despite you having reserved, unemotional answers to whatever probing questions she has, and if you do get a BPD fairy like that, your life is about to be ruined.
Just ask a girl out

>>220033472
Just how out of your league was she, be honest. Women was to feel attracted to their partner first and foremost, then the other stuff comes into play. Rules 1 and 2 are like the foot in the door, then your interests and similarities matter. Shitty, but it's the truth. Hit the gym, then bee yourself.

t. former fuckboy

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>>220032690
>not ugly
Are you sure?

>>220028875
we just had a dinner and are going to sleep rn. so no kino for us tonight.

>>220036160
I fucking hate this shit

>>220028966
>trauma
There is no such thing

Dust Bunny

>>220033472
>She was so disappointed I liked her lmao
It's honestly exhausting. Imagine finding someone you want to be friends with but they want to fuck you. Then when you turn them down they want nothing to do with you or get really mean.

>>220036585
What’s wrong with that?

>>220036585
>gaslighting this dumb
I hope you get your eyeballs drilled out and then raped with a blowtorch

>>220032690
being shy is worse for a mans romantic life than being ugly, fat, obese, a criminal, retarded, or smelly.

>>220036700
What's wrong with investing time and energy trying to be friends with someone when it turns out they want something more who will then disappear when they don't get what they want?

I'm getting divorced. I haven't talked to my wife or kids in a month and I want to die every second of every day.

>>220036843
Why don't you talk to your kids?

I am 31 years old and I never even kissed a girl

>>220036585
woman moment to not realize how courtship works
you think when you get a serious bf or have a husband you’re keeping your male friends? you gonna have them watch your babies?

>>220028875
The Drama.
She's not my gf yet, but she will be, wish me luck tvbros.

>>220032228
In this temple?

>>220036859
The oldest one is 6 and I will go straight back to jail if I call my wife. She, fortunately for me, did everything wrong and when I file for divorce next week is going to be forced to come back to this state and waste an incredible amount of her families money while I can move back into the house without her on the lease.

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>>220036784
>investing time and energy trying to be friends with someone
Friendships don't require "investments", dating does. Friendships are fully organic, but dating has social rules.
Are you autistic or just terminally online? It's perfectly normal to talk to someone before asking them on a date.

>>220036888
Why are men threatened by women having platonic male friends lol

>>220037123
married family life leaves little spare time for active friendships if they don’t live in walking distance, you’ll lose even female friendships.

>>220036501
You've lived life on easy mode.

>>220036985
damn thats crazy. what are your top 5 films?

>>220036784
the woman isn't investing anything, or expending any energy. so just stop with these silly little ideas.
having a conversation takes zero effort and women are the passive receivers of everything. the situation in >>220033472 sounds like they would only talk at church and were friendly. also it sounds like their conversations were enjoyable—they got along well, same interests, etc. so yeah that's so much energy and effort. autistic retards like you either forgot or never realized that's how romantic relationships start. the most successful and stable relationships i see come from scenarios like this.

can't you even empathize or understand why someone would disappear or get upset when they don't get something they want? im not saying you have to fuck the guy and marry him, but Jesus. why would you stick around someone when they'll just remind you of what you can't have? just torturing yourself at that point.

>>220037123
completely missing the point.

>>220037290
Synecdoche, NY
O Brother Where Art Thou
Moon
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Freddy Got Fingered

>>220037305
It is effort, and wasted effort at that. If this guy is totally cool with being just friends (lmao), then sure her time isn't wasted.

>can't you even empathize or understand why someone would disappear or get upset when they don't get something they want?
I don't fault them for not wanting to be just friends and disappearing, but it's exhausting go through this same scenario over and over again.

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>>220032690
Basically in the same situation as you, just a couple years older. My issue is that I am incapable of flirting/showing sexual interest towards women without feeling as if I'm somehow being extremely rude to them. So nothing ever happened.

Pic very much related.

>>220037489
you're not being respectful, you're just scared of rejection.

>>220037580
i hate how being scared as a man in social situations basically means youre worthless and deserve to die alone. but women will chose thugs and criminals no problem if they have a tiny bit of w rizz

>>220028875
I only date the intersex

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>>220037489
>My issue is that I am incapable of flirting/showing sexual interest towards women without feeling as if I'm somehow being extremely rude to them.
You don't need to flirt or "show sexual interest" in current year, and it's not even that common anymore (if you define it like romcoms do). At a party, just a take an interest in someone and act almost overly interested in them, start asking questions about things they mention. For example:
>Woooow, you play the piano?
>Nice, that's such a chill job, where did you go to uni?
>Oh cool! So how does X relate to Y in your life? (you get the point)
After you get a vibe going, ask for her number (for example). If she doesn't match your vibe, just keep chatting until a new conversation opens up.
That's how "flirting" works in current year.

>>220037678
you're not losing to criminals, you're losing to guys who at least try while you sit there convincing yourself doing nothing is the moral option. I know it can be scary to put yourself out there, but try finding something you really enjoy and are confident in speaking about. I guarantee there is a woman out there that's into it.

>>220028966
I am gay too bro. You don't to keep pretending (poorly) to be straight.

>>220032690
Your parents fucked up not encouraging you and motivating you to have crushes and date when you were young, is my guess.

Everyone I’ve talked to that’s still a virgin in their 20s it all leads back to their parents 99% of the time. One of my friends is very good looking and still a virgin at 29, the most I was able to get out of him is his dad scared him with the fear of STD’s when he was growing up and that screwed up his view of sex and relationships.

As parents if your child likes someone don’t punish them or belittle them. Accept who they have a crush on and teach them about healthy habits. Once they enter middle school it’s important to let them know it’s okay and normal to date and have a gf/bf. If you don’t talk about dating and sex they will grow up all fucked up.

>>220037437
It's not effort. you can't just say that it is and wave a wand at this you dumbass.
Yeah, it's so exhausting having people acknowledge your existence and wanting things from you while you haven't really had to do anything—just stand there and look pretty.
It's only exhausting in your mind because you haven't realized the reality of the situation, and you have an ego.

(Assuming you're actually a girl) Accept the truth that men will want you with some grace and dignity. If you don't like them, let their advances slide off you. It's not the end of the world. Don't have a sunk-cost mindset about it.
In truth, I don't think men and women can't truly be platonic friends. It just doesn't work. It doesn't. You even laughed at the idea. And if you have male friends, they're most likely there because they secretly want to be with you but are either too shy or afraid to admit it.

I dunno. talk to your dad instead of anons on 4chan about this shit. get off this fuckin website seriously.

>>220037759
I didn't find this to be true, what you described just ends up going literally nowhere. I become a friendly acquaintance to them and that's it.

At some point you have to escalate in some way for anything to happen beyond mere talking.

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>>220038129
Have you ever even asked them for a number?
Did you talk about yourself, or ask questions about her? This is CRUCIAL, I'm not joking.

>>220038159
nta but im too scared to ask people about themselves i feel like they will be mad at me for asking

>>220038159
>Have you ever even asked them for a number?
Mostly instagram, sometimes already had their number because of work
>Did you talk about yourself, or ask questions about her?
Pretty much always try to talk about the other person in the conversation. In fact I almost never talk about myself unless someone asks me a direct question lol

>>220038129
This.
It's time to escalate, and by that I mean domestic terrorism.

>>220028875
This isn't as nice as it looks.
>her breath smells
>she snores
>she talks in her sleep
>she farts on you
>she's too hot, you get uncomfortable and sweaty
>she pulls the covers and you get cold

>>220038313
Spooning is the only one that actually works for sleeping. And that's if her hair isn't too itchy.

>>220037929
whole essay just to say that men want you, deal with it. Yeah and when you don't want them back they disappear or get weird.

>>220032285
Maybe for like the first two weeks

>>220036160
>just take part in the humiliation ritual bro

>>220037924
>Your parents fucked up not encouraging you and motivating you to have crushes and date when you were young
This might be true, but then again my siblings were raised in the same exact way and they are completely normal people who were in multiple relationships, got married and have kids while I never even kissed

>>220037260
Yeah because I wasn't born a fucking retard

>>220038226
Ok then don't try?!? Do you want an updoot?

>>220038530
yes, just take part in the mating rituals or you won't mate. simple as. women face their own humiliation rituals too. The average woman doesnt want to be pumped and dumped. You having sex with her will potentially be her own humiliation ritual

>>220038444
you read all of it and missed the point. congrats.

>>220038848
fuck you, it should just happen. that's what i was told would happen

>>220038895
they were too polite and repressed to be honest about the fact you need to let horniness drive some of your decisionmaking. Letting horniness be in charge is bad yes, but not even letting it copilot is just as bad.
Every male animal has to do a song and dance, you're no exception. Any sense of humiliation will quickly fade once you do your first few tries

>>220038530
>being a KHV incel is less humiliating than asking a girl out and her saying no
your wires are pretty crossed here. watch the king of the hill episode where boomhauer teaches bobby his secret to getting women

i have a penile injury that prevents me from holding a relationship or having sex

>>220039065
circumcision? me too

>>220039103
torn suspensory ligament

>>220037924
>As parents if your child likes someone don’t punish them or belittle them. Accept who they have a crush on and teach them about healthy habits. Once they enter middle school it’s important to let them know it’s okay and normal to date and have a gf/bf. If you don’t talk about dating and sex they will grow up all fucked up.
best advice itt. im willing to bet most guys who are too shy/ afraid to date were belittled or teased by their parents/ adults about having crushes, and were never talked to about dating and sex. my parents didn't tell me and now im 31 trying desperately to put myself out there. so much damage done on the outset. even if it appears small it compounds with time.

>>220038530
unfortunately, yes, to find connections you have to make yourself vulnerable by opening up. or if you're a sociopath, you could make up a fake personality. either way works

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>>220028875
I had a new gf for about 2.5 weeks and then she revealed that her prior 7 year relationship ended because she cheated on the guy, so I dumped her. Shit sucks, everything about her was great, I thought I wasn’t gonna be alone any more, but there’s no way I could trust her. There is nobody out there for me, bros. Love is a lie.

>>220039381
>There is nobody out there for me, bros. Love is a lie.
how does this follow from you having a 2.5 week relationship that you very reasonably stopped?
why cant you just get another girl?

>>220039249
My parents regularly asked me when will I bring my gf home, my mom pointing at a girl my age saying "isn't she nice", dad talking how go approached and got mom, had all kinds of talks about healthy relationships and intimacy, regularly encouraged to go out and play with friends etc.

Still turned out a Captcha solving 4chan posting kissless virgin in my late 20s

>>220028875
seeing Michael today with my fiancée, should be a good time

>>220039460
ok but how much gooning did you do as a teen

>>220039499
Masturbated maybe like 3-4 times per week, nothing crazy

>>220039567
>3-4 times per week
That's your problem, low motivation.

>>220037924
this is probably true. in like 4th grade a girl from another class told her friend she liked me, so of course after a day everyone knew and was annoying me about it, which caused me to dislike the girl. anyway, one day while i was sick and not coming to school, she actually came over to our apartment to i guess check on me and talk, but i didn't want to let her in so i pretended we weren't home and left her sitting on the stairs for a few minutes until she left. my mom was there too but she just went along with what i told her. she probably should have just scolded me and told me to let her in, but oh well. not that i blame her, it was still my decision.
handholdless virgin at 32 btw

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>just ask her out bro

>>220039037
at least as a khv incel no one notices you. no one says no to you. can't lose if you don't play

>>220039714
>needing to beg a woman to spend time with you
NGMI

Isn't the human brain annoying? I've mostly just accepted that I'll never change myself and I'll stay alone and a failure forever, but still there's that one little niggling voice in the back of my mind that keeps telling me "but what if something good happens?" Yeah, what if all my problems magically solve themselves?
I would have killed myself a long time ago, but I just don't want to hurt my mom or brother.
>what do you care you'll be dead
Yeah, well, I don't have to be entirely logical, do I?
Every day I imagine god coming down and presenting me with a button that if pressed, would erase all my existence and history as if I were never born. I would smash that shit so fast, you wouldn't even know. Thanks for reading my cool awesome blog

We are watching Lucifer again and once upon a time again

>>220040137
I'm positive you're being too hard on yourself, anon. You can't be that bad.

>>220039065
You realize you have fingers and a tongue and toys exist, right retard? Even if I got my cock cut off entirely, that wouldn't prevent me from having a relationship. Though I guess if my nuts got cut off too, I wouldn't want one.

>>220040354
Maybe if we judge me by some relative standard, but it doesn't matter. I'm a dead end, and there's just something about me deep inside in my brain that kills all my ambition and desire to change myself. I've thought about it a lot over the years, and this is always where my thoughts go. Unless something literally falls into my lap, nothing will change.

>>220038129
Literally all you have to do is lean in a little bit and make slight physical contact. If they're okay with it, it means they like you, and you push it a little further. If they're not okay with it, then stop. It's really not difficult whatsoever. I swear you guys really do have autism.

>>220040429
Are you familiar with the concept of Automatic Negative Thoughts, or ANTs? Personally speaking, only a year ago mine were so bad I wanted to kill myself 24/7, and now I barely have them at all. You can absolutely improve your mental health if you have the right methods.

>>220040507
>You can absolutely improve your mental health if you have the right methods.
I mean, that's what I'm talking about. I'm just not going to do that. I don't know what's wrong with me, I just don't care. Except, you know, that small annoying voice that sometimes does.

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>>220028875

>>220028875
was gonna look through horror selections on tubi and fmovies

>>220040466
just tried this with my dog and she snapped at me.
fuck you

>>220028875
My wife has been asking to watch Andrei Rublev for weeks now

>>220028875
Nuggets game then A Knights Tale

>>220033472
That’s all there is to it really.
Maybe it was different in the past. Maybe boomers really could get away with “may I meet you?”
But we can’t.
It’s over. We accept it, and we buy weapons, that’s what men do. We become dangerous. If the community doesn’t fulfill its end of the social contract, we don’t fulfill ours.
No pusi? No work.
No virgin gf? Now you’re all target practice.
That IS how men historically have been.
It’s a good way to be.

>>220038444
You did just subconsciously tell them their genes aren’t worthy of reproducing with you so yeah it’s obvious they’d want to never be around you.

>>220038848
>bro she has sex and sometimes chad sleeps with a different girl the next day, that’s totally the same as you getting zero sex and everyone laughing at you

Eat Drink Man Woman

>>220038977
Yeah, no. There’s more honor in murder than in this.

>>220039432
There are no other girls in this generation you dumb zoylennial

>>220036585
Weird take. If a woman I was talking to asked me out I wouldn't be upset, even if I didn't want to date. I would just draw a line in the sand.

Obviously, by asking this girl from my church out I implicitly admitted I wanted more than friendship, but there is nothing wrong with that. We are in fact still friends and continue to chat casually in and out of church. I took the rejection as well as I could and there isn't any awkwardness.

>>220036501
tell me there's no such thing as trauma when you get both of your kneecaps shattered

>>220039595
No. His problem is the traditional methods of mating have been completely destroyed and replaced with artificial methods of mating which actively select against the majority of men.

>>220040466
>uhhh just stop chuddy, if she says no that means NO
This is why we have an incel problem.
If women need to get raped then women need to get raped.
>noooo that’s not wholesome
Yea it’s not and neither is 65% of young men being soft locked out of the most fulfilling aspect of life, romance and reproduction.
Rape is far less ugly than what we have now and you know it in your heart of hearts.
You’re going to pretend all rape is jeets.
If we legalized rape, it would 6/10 men dropping the love hammer onto 5/10 foids and everyone would be happy.
The women especially.

>>220041216
I'm saying he won't have success no matter what because he has chronically low testosterone. Jacking off less than once a day as a teen is a sign of WORRYINGLY low T.
This is also why he missed out on teenage love.

The Wire

>>220041288
Shut up and go roll in cow dung back in your shithole, rajneesh.

>>220041291
He missed out on teenage love because teen romance did actively suppressed by the social behaviors of our time.

>>220041325
100% White actually.
Keep thinking about jamboys while women goon to Minotaur rape porn.
You’re a simp.

>>220033472
If a woman is at all interested she will quickly start giving indications.

>>220037123
I actually know women, including ones who are "single", are not interested in relationships, or are older or not so attractive. All of them are constantly getting swarmed by men and some are sexually active.

Women get bored easily, are always looking to trade up, have less incentive than ever to stick around and work things out, initiate most divorces in the USA (60-70%), and have more options for sex or romance than they know what to do with.

You can say men are being insecure but honestly all men on some level have to deal with the fact that there is always someone who is taller, better looking, younger, fitter, richer, sexier, better networked etc and its the easiest thing in the world for women to get the "ick" and just drop it all and move on to someone else. Male mate guarding makes sense.

>>220031330
its really nice

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>>220037489
didnt get me a gf but it got me laid so thats a win
you can get it for like 8 bucks used

>>220038444
I really don't get being upset over this. It's all or none for them. Thats not really a bad thing or a good things. Its just kind of a thing.

>>220041353
>SAAAR I AM WHITE SAAR I RAPE WHITE WOMAN SAAR
Poo in loo, faggot.

>>220041291
me and my buddy used to jack each other off three times a day, and would have done more if we'd had more time.

>>220041369
This woman actually bought me a present out of the blue once before we ever started talking. To me that was a positive sign to go start talking with her. It's pretty rare for women to ever initiate anything with men, relative to the reverse. Women spending money on men is also pretty unusual so I figured I'd take my chance.

>>220041456
good book, shame the author cucked out when he got called a misogynists and basically reversed his entire root premise that overbearing women crush the life out of male children

>>220041502
Hella T = Had sex (basically)
thesis checks out

>>220040429
>there's just something about me deep inside in my brain that kills all my ambition and desire to change myself.
this is something that's not true, only something you pretend is true. it is your choice to suppress your desire and ambition. if you chose to spend an hour a day practicing something, you would get better, it would be inevitable. it is your choice and your choice alone to dedicate that hour to other activities

>>220041502
Y R U gay?

>>220041630
i wandered into one of the discussion forums and noticed the atmosphere was a lot different than years ago. wonder if thats the reason.

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Having a girlfriend is not as awesome as people think it is.

>>220041630
Total redpill trash.
Blackpill now.

>>220042124
*cums at the mere thought*

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>>220028875
I'll be watching the spooky movie of the week with my friends in the svengoolie thread

>>220042124
The last one is the only problem. I can do like 2 hours a day of attention, not counting sleep hours. Past that I need my personal space.

>>220041970
it isn't at all gay, just high test.

>>220038313
Yea but you can honk her boobs

>>220040466
>Literally all you have to do is lean in a little bit
Lean how? In most cases I'm standing directly in front of the girl while I'm talking to her, why would I suddenly start leaning? Wouldn't a step forward be better if I want to get closer?
>make slight physical contact
Which physical contact exactly? Any of that PUA shit of pretending she has something in her hair to suddenly touch her or whatever is turbocringe, but I know there has to be some reason to start to suddenly exchange physical contact

>>220028875
> ywn have a pet Bunny.

>>220042757
>Lean how? In most cases I'm standing directly in front of the girl while I'm talking to her, why would I suddenly start leaning?
Lean against the wall? Ask if she wants to sit down? Get her a drink and then lean in closer? Show her something on your phone so your shoulders are touching? Fucking autist.

>>220042993
>Lean against the wall?
There is no wall very close in most cases? Seems stupid to now move towards the wall lol
>Ask if she wants to sit down?
Again then she's sitting across from me and there's an entire table between us.
>Show her something on your phone so your shoulders are touching?
That would imply that we're sitting right beside each other, who does that with someone you never even exchanged any physical contact? As far as I know even on actual first dates people sit across, not immediately side by side.

>>220042757
You touch her somewhere on her arm (so her arm, shoulder, or hand) in a moment to express enthusiasm, approval, or humor in something she has said or done, or you can touch the small of her back if you are moving to take the conversation somewhere else.

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Just tired because we have two kids but tomorrow we might watch a movie because the oldest will stay with my mum and dad.

I always hate how people whine about being alone on here, or brag about how rich and tall they are.

>>220043148
Most retards don't know how to do dates. Going to a restaurant and sitting across from each other is pretty much the worst thing you could do because it guarantees there will be no touching. At least get a booth and sit side by side. But ideally you shouldn't even do a restaurant. Paying for a full meal for someone you don't really know yet is faggotry, beta fags do this to get exploited for free meals because they think it's still the 50s. But anyway, I was mostly talking about a regular party, where you can lean against a wall or sit on a couch. I've literally sat next to chicks on a couch I've barely known and just started feeling them up and they've gone along with it, and we ended up fucking. It's really easy.

>>220028875
What A Girl Wants, cardboard DVD box edition in my bedroom on a projector. 60"+ on my wall

>>220030290
Same, I made her watch Zardoz not so long ago. Now I am not allowed to choose the movies anymore for a while

>>220043203
>You touch her somewhere on her arm (so her arm, shoulder, or hand) in a moment to express enthusiasm, approval, or humor in something she has said or done
When I read something like this it makes perfect sense on paper, but in reality doing anything like that feels like a forced dudebro moment where you reach out to her just to nudge her shoulder or whatever.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I struggle to make any such move feel like a natural next step of the interaction.

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Who was she anons?

>>220043472
>I guess what I'm trying to say is I struggle to make any such move feel like a natural next step of the interaction.
It won't feel natural if it's something you haven't done before because you have habituated other patterns of interaction and behavior. In fact it will feel awkward at first. It may feel awkward for her as well. You don't have to be perfect and the interaction doesn't have to be perfect. The key is to not make the whole thing awkward, so when it gets awkward you can just move on from that into something else. There's no formula, you just have to feel it out and there's no way around that. By initiating some physical contact, you'll have sent a signal she will pick up on and either respond to or not.

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>>220043529
A couple years ago I met woman #2, I hope I don't screw up my last chance.

>>220037123
Idk why are women threatened by hungry sharks swimming in the water next to them?

>>220043313
>I've literally sat next to chicks on a couch I've barely known and just started feeling them up and they've gone along with it, and we ended up fucking
Meanwhile I never even kissed lol. And mind you I went to plenty of parties, afterparties, pregames etc.
I have to say that I never even seen someone else do what you described, most of the time it's just various groups of friends drinking and shooting shit, not some type of wild orgy

Lmao this bitch thinks she has a great personality >>220036585

>>220043587
Yeah you're probably right. I guess there's a reason why most people go through all this shit as a teenager, not as a 30 yo man lol whoops

>>220043313
when you nudge her with your shoulder and she nudges you back and eventually you put your arm over her shoulders and she snuggles up into you and then you make extended eye contact and start kissing aaaaaaaaaaahhhghh

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Watching pic related. I think we're on episode 5? I was tired af last night and feel asleep.

>>220042124
its actually pretty based to have a shut in gf. they have very few morals around sex. I tried it with one but she was too fat

>>220043313
>It's really easy.
baited no one award

>>220043759
A lot of RP/PUA is outdated and some has always been garbage, but a good one is to adopt outcome independence. If you go in with a similar frame to them where you're just looking to vibe and have fun, you'll meet with more success and mitigate feelings of embarrassment and loss if you're met with rejection.

I'm not a gigachad but I was fortunate enough to have these positive experiences as a teen and I've had ltrs since. I know what works for some does not work for others, but I can say that mindset is important to anything. I'd also encourage anyone to not just give up. It's really not over until it's over, and it is far from over at 30.

>>220043313
>go to a party

I've never been to a party in my entire life. None of those college house parties or anything like that. I wasted all those year sitting in childhood bedroom playing vidya like a fucking retard.

>>220043950
>shut in gf
>but she was too fat
Gotta be ana otherwise its what happens.

>>220044153
I went to a few. I got ignored. Parties are for all women and a few Chads.

>>220028875
I hate that I live in a world that makes fun of me and other dudes like me for being in pain over the fact that well likely never have this. It’s genuinely fucking cruel.

>>220045958
This world has always been cruel. Unfortunately it is now also gay and retarded.

>>220028875
I'm watching NHL playoffs while she does laundry and rewatches From so we can start S4.

>>220028875
i don't have a girlfriend as i am an incel :)

>>220031330
It's funny that virgins think getting a girlfriend or having sex will cure their loneliness or fix their problems. I'm ignoring my girlfriend tonight and getting drunk alone to watch clips of the Pokemon anime because I am just tired of her.

>>220032690
>>220039601
You guys don't know how good you have it. I wish I was still a virgin.

>>220033472
hahaha, you sound like an absolute fucking faggot. I'm glad this happened to you, especially since you're using the house of God to try to get laid.

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>>220028966
>I have to get rich to get a gf
>I have to looksmaxx to get a gf
>I have to fix my trauma first to get a gf
my neighbor is an unemployed 5'9" drug dealer with a 300 something credit score and he has a gf btw

>>220036160
This is correct

>>220036585
I wish my ex-gf actually wanted friends but she only wanted to stay at the house or hang out with me, it was exhausting. It was especially bad if I wanted to watch something because she would want to be included and would turn into a sheboon that was incapable of shutting the fuck up during whatever we were watching. I ended up dumping her because of that and her BPD.

>>220047173
Drug dealer is on level with being a crown prince to women.

>>220045958
That’s biology. It’s competitive and we aren’t exempt from natural selection.

>>220042124
>Had a loser gf I met on 4chan
>drove from Chicago to Texas to come live with me after talking online for 8 months
>used to be fat (like 170lbs) but slimmed down to 120lbs by the time we had met
>played vidya all day but it was terrible normalfag shit like Palworld, Fall Guys, Party Dogs
>had no friends, just wanted to be with me all the time
>was a semi-furry in the sense that she liked to wear dog ears and a tail and get praise like a dog but it didn't sexually arouse me
>broke up with her and months later she cheated on the guy who took her in with me and then he forgave her
I just want a normalfag gf or to be alone.

>>220047351
I didn't want to be a wageslave while I was going to school so I started selling weed and pills so I could focus on studying and have some free time but the dumbass women at school thought it was so attractive. I dressed normal, was white, went to a business and math school with a bunch of Asians and kept a clean cut appearance so I didn't want anyone knowing what I did.

>>220047512
Well you had elevated status, the bad boy factor, and a network of people relying on you. Those are magnets for women.

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>>220045958
Bullying is a natural part of life, pretty much every social creature does it to some degree. You were in competition with other males for mates from the moment you started puberty. At least humans don't have to do shit like pic related.

>>220045958
Cry me a river, you big baby. Does banter hurt your woman-like feelings? Faggot.

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>>220041387
really? i feel like it'd be the thing that'd be nice in the moment and then I'd realize that it's not entirely real and then afterwards get really depressed. or maybe it'd help me. i dunno. i've never been with an escort so i dont even know what to expect.
>>220047078
im not a virgin. just been a long time. you being fed up with your girlfriend is irrelevant—you're only this way because you're comfortable.
having sex did cure a lot of my problems. i was finally validated and seen romantically and sexually. it was very affirming. i was more confident and relaxed, and happier. it reduced the significance or pressure of sex and relationships so i could see it more realistically.

Master and commander, she loves it

>>220028875
i hate you op

>>220047380
fuck that. the whole point of civilization is to overcome nature. monogamy is a human invention exactly for this reason.

>>220030310
the last time i remember being happy was when i was in relationship where i cared about someone more than myself

>>220048277
>you're only this way because you're comfortable.
Nope, I was perfectly fine before I was with this girl. The only reason I'm even in a relationship right now is because she made the first move, I wasn't looking at getting into another relationship at the time but decided to go for it because I figured I could just jump ship if it was bad. I was fine jerking off instead of having sex. I was fine being a virgin and nothing inside me changed when I lost my virginity. I think you failed normalfags are just conditioned by the media.

>>220047078
>It's funny that virgins think getting a girlfriend or having sex will cure their loneliness or fix their problems
but it literally fucking will. im sick of my girls' annoying ass as well but i cant lie i was gonna go postal before we got together, legit going mad. but regular pussy calmed me down. its easy to tell alot of faggots here cope with no pussy by fighting culture wars and politics to feel important
>>220048481
then break up with her bro i dare you

>>220048711
>then break up with her bro i dare you
I've thought about it but she helps pay the bills. I already turn down sex because I'm just so tired of her but the amount of money she contributes is really nice, especially since I can save and invest every month. I have a hard time believing that pussy, especially the same pussy after an extended period of time, is worth putting up with all her bullshit. Were you really going to "go postal" if you couldn't have sex? God damn, dude.

>>220048711
>>220048796
this is easier said than done, to be desu. I struggled with breaking up with my gf for months because we lived together and it would be such a PITA to go through a rough break up AND have her move out. i was right and it sucked shit, she was screaming at me that id die alone and breaking things. in the end it was worth it, it helped me quit drinking

>>220047948
imagine thinking calling people “woman-like” on /tv/ makes you some alpha warlord lmao. you’re seething just as hard as the guy you’re replying to, you just dress it up in middle school tier slurs.

post physique and bank account or shut the fuck up, tough guy. we’re all miserable here, you’re not special for pretending you’re above it.

>>220048937
I'm a fat manlet virgin but being angry that you're getting made fun of for being a virgin makes you worse than me.

i hate women so god damn much

>>220045958
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOing @ ur life

>>220048476
That just means you don't love yourself enough.

>>220047665
We could be free from the shackles of useless shit like behavioral modernity if we dramatically reduced population density. Like kill off most humans on earth

>>220048796
>Were you really going to "go postal" if you couldn't have sex?
nah i had sex before but never a gf at the time. i cant really pinpoint an exact reason i was starting to trip but i can say getting a gf helped me calm down, mellow out and im generally more confident than before. im still an autistic sperg when im sober socially but yeah having pussy on tap definitely benefits me, the "have sex" meme is real
>I already turn down sex because I'm just so tired of her
really huh? i only ever turn it down when im pissed off at her. how long have you been with her, are you still attracted to her? i kinda already accepted i'll just cheat on mine if im confident i can get away with it

>>220032690
Could be autism. Your examples don't contradict that, can be a non-autistic nerd.

>>220048892
>this is easier said than done, to be desu
yeah i shouldve broken up with my girl a long fucking time ago. i stayed because shes obsessed with me and i took her virginity but shes definitely bipolar or some shit. sad thing is ive had literally 10/10 ideal chicks throw themselves at me but i no way fag it cuz this girl is my first gf so yeah kinda gay. its a joke cuz all the chicks i was actually pursue i spill spaghetti, when i dont mean to try suddenly they're all over me. i'll also add blackpill is 100% right btw

>Be a romantic
>Be hyper focus on personality
>Date several women over the years, was all awful, can't get along with their irrationality, mind games, etc
>Just end up dating a dude
>Don't find him attractive but actually enjoy his company and personality and he makes me very happy
Whatever man

>>220032690
im a sperg and spill spaghetti constantly so in uni i honestly just drank alot and approached chicks. my current gf, i introduced myself tipsy, went on dates tipsy, snuck away to down alcohol when i invited her over etc etc. eventually of course im able to talk to her sober now but yeah my advice if youre a shy pussy is to drink. of course it could be a slippery slope

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Do you let the girl take her bra off or take it off for her?

>>220050616
>Yuri shit
Into the trash it goes

>>220028875
we don't watch movies because she doesn't like them. She's kind of a retard but pretty hot. Planning on fucking her non stop for at least one more year before breaking up.

>>220041741
What's your point? At the end of the day it's all me, yes. It doesn't really matter what specific mechanic causes it.

>>220047078
>It's funny that virgins think getting a girlfriend or having sex will cure their loneliness
>curing loneliness won't fix loneliness
It quite literally, almost by definition will. Once you've experienced whispering things with her late into the morning-night while cuddling, her absence will feel worse than heroin withdrawals.

>>220028875
I have a girlfriend, only she doesn't it know it yet.

>>220052857
I have a girlfriend, and she is so blue.

>>220028875
i'm so lonely bros it's not fair

>>220053046
Why isn't it fair? You sit inside all day with your dick in your hand, so how is it not fair you don't have a gf?