>>220030418ONE, NOTHING WRONG WITH METWO, NOTHING WRONG WITH METHREE, NOTHING WRONG WITH MEFOUR, NOTHING WRONG WITH MEONE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVETWO, SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVETHREE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE NOW
>Matrix 3 budget was $127 million>Matrix 4 budget was $190 millionHow do you fuck up so much?
>>220030418I AM NOBODYS BITCH
>>220030506I’m astounded every fucking time I watch these movies.
>>220030506>cartoons for grown-ups
>>220030418This was one of those movies i made sure I watched, and was pretty cool. But I forgot it existed for a decade.
>>220030506Great shit.
>>220030286I recorded that first TV spot that played during the superbowl I think that year and wore out that vhs replaying this specific sequence from the trailer. This was the coolest shit I'd ever seen as a teenager.
>>220030506how does an arrow to the cockpit causes the whole ship to explode?
>>220030860There's an RPG grenade in place of an arrowhead, you can clearly see it.
>>220030286Only the jumping agent on that shot is CGI. The rest is practical.
>>220030286but...but...dud, windshield doesnt even crack at all...
>>220030418It's crazy how like 3 years after this he looked like a hobbled bald old man due to cancer.
>>220031012okok my bad
>>220031139its a real car rigged to implode. the windshield not cracking because its frame wasn't sufficiently altered doesn't change that.
>>220031456The charges, officer?
>>220030506Avatar is a an anti-industry anti-development leftist shit movie.
>>220031012>you can clearly see itIt's on screen for less than a second. Which is kinda the biggest problem I have with that whole sequence. All the action is just too fast and busy. There is no time to let it breath, and there seems like there's no weight behind anything
>>220030286This doesn't make sense. The agent doesnt have the weight to crush a car like that. And if he did it by stomping thr car, that means he could have jumped further right from the get go and dindt need to make 2 jumps
>>220030418Unsurpassed kino.
>>220032354there is a sequence showing jake assembling these arrows earlier
>>220032354Her grabbing and using explosive arrows was a plot point in the movie. She rejected them as evil, then realized Jake was right and they needed to embrace human weapons at the cost of their soul
>>220030286Forever love the long arms, just like the claymation Ronny cox at the end of Robocop
>>220030418this has the benefit of not making the actor go at superhuman speeds (still requires very fast movement) while making him look superhuman by just applying the CGI to the goonssmart
>>220031139tempered glass doesn't crack like hollywood makes you think it does
>>220030418KINOKINOKINO
>>220030418Member matrix?
>>220030506Why is it the first movie again?
>>220036301CGI simply stopped developing after 2002 despite all the improvements in technology. The only thing that's changed since then is image resolution. Crazy.
peak
>>220036861I 100% mean it when I say Bill Nighy should have been nominated for an oscar in this role. Johnny Depp was nominated for the first one, but he's got a costume and fake teeth and everything. Nighy is selling this shit wearing that outfit. That's fucking acting right there.
>>220030506I feel like Nute Gunray watching this. Uh, fucking shoot them... or something. The real life military has autocannons that can fill the air with a million rounds of lead per second and blow up shit from 50 miles away. These fucks fly across the galaxy with a useless fleet of quad copters and exosuits and crab-shaped submersibles and all these other useless weapon systems.
>>220032329>anon loves oil spills and wants to jerk off into one
>>220038494woah that's beautiful I love oil spills now
>>220030481LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOORLET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
>>220040812how did they get the metal under the actors skin like that?
>>220040856You've never a pierced your thumb skin with a needle before?
>>220030418This movie is 25 years old and has better CG than a lot of movies that come out today.
>>220041071Reason might be because the industry uses Unreal Engine for most VFX these days which makes everything look like video games.
Someone post the transformers 2007 webms
>>220041501Norwood 3 Man saves the day.
>>220041612How did they get that cat do this
>>220041879Cat tip
>>220031156Oh, I didn't know he had cancer. I guess that would explain why he's aged 40 years in less than 20.
>>220031456At that point, why don't you just shoot the fucking guy?
>>220041612This would be better if any amount of the beer got spilled. Especially when it tips the glass over and chugs it
>>220041071No maybe it was a better use but it's objectively not better
>>220036819Davy Jones would like a word.
>>220031178Looks way better than Avatar
>>220032329It’s an anti-“don’t steal shit from others to solve your self-imposed problems because it’s more “economically viable” to steal shit from others” movie
>>220032418It’s the force to jump to the next car. Also you have no idea how much agents weigh.
>>220030640>This was oneStopped reading right there.
>>220030640I liked it so much more as an adult. It's like a little time capsule of the 2000's. It's delightfully corny.
>>220038335RDA isn’t the military.
>>220041936
LOL
>>220042657this is so fucking retarded LMAOOOOOO
>>220031178>you'll never watch transformers for the first time at the kinoplex>it'll never be 2007 againbros...
>>220036819smoke, particle, water and other volumetric effects have really improved since the early 2000s but yeah, apart from that you are right
>>220042688>>220042788I literally can't imagine a gross ass adult paying money to watch this shit
>>220042657>>220042788suresh and his refurbished ipad pro have a better grasp of physics than a $200 million hollywood production
>>220030506Why does everything act like its made out of cardboard and has zero weight.
>>220040812Plastic reality always wins.
>>220040856They actually stabbed him I guessThe technology is lost - seriously, we don't know how they did it
>>220040964Such a fun underrated adventure movie. Loved the vibrant colors in this one
>>220042018The cat just drank it that fast
>>220036861everything this guy is in that i've seen he's fucking amazing. always fun to watch him act
>>220041612bro wtf our waiter just drank one of our beers, get me a new one
>>220043491Not a single branch moved.
>>220037396100% agree. Nighy is ducking amazing.
>>220043545Rick harvested wind-power like Duke Atreides used sand-power to focus the gust on 3 specific zombies
>>220040812I still hold that this isn’t a fair comparison. It’s comparing what’s essentially a bottom-end cyborg using the best of what one corporation has to a highest-end cyborg using tech that we don’t even understand.
>>220040964This was a really fun movie.
>>220041612jesus christ, i hope that table got another beer. service is really declining nowadays
>>220041501Love this shit.
>>220042018learn about beer physics faggot
>>220041612IS THIS REAL!?
>>220043709
>>220043733Lol
>>220042657>This is somehow more efficient than simply turning around … or morphing from front to back.
>>220042080so its anti-history
>>220043350Me too, man. Saw this one twice at the kinoplex. I also liked how they used their cavitation trails to mimic speed lines.
>>220043491So fucking retarded.
>>220043557Goddam … that’s fucking terrible.
>>220043733How’s the booba in this one?
CGI from 2006.
>>220041446>le unrealNo its because studios want to spend as little as possible. That's the reason they use unreal.That's the reason they're staffed by inexperienced incompetents.
>>220042657>lord headass
>>220043997Kek
>>220043557
>>220043557damn, that bitch is better than the agents in the Matrix. They can't hit anyone even at super speed since they're always shooting behind. She blasts three targets center mass in a micro-second
>>220042688they really thought they cooked with this
>>220030506kino
>>220043246It's explicitly set up in the original that the moon has lower gravity, while at the same time the Na'vi have extremely strong, reinforced bones. This is all writer's convenience that makes it possible for Na'vi to survive falling from height as long as they can catch onto leaves and shit. Which is exactly what the hero does toward the end in the first one.>>220030524>>220030679This clip is basically just a redux of the final battle from the first movie, but it showcases the same color palette. The final battle in the first movie genuinely blew my mind the first time I saw it. It's well paced but what makes it so much fun to look it is that it has a full and clear color palette. The hero flys a big red dragon (nothing else in the sky is big and red, bit of a target really), the good guys are blue/green/purple, the bad guys are grey/dark green and the big bomber is a large white object (like the space shuttle). All of this is supposed to take place in EARLY MORNING on a clear day, meaning that everything is very bright and clearly lit. Then in the second part they descend to the forest floor where colors are darker.
>>220043557Was this The Substance?
>>220031178>>220040653holy baysed >>220042688Was this not demeaning, or at least embarrassing, for women? I can't experience it from the perspective of a woman, but I can't imagine they liked it any more than I did... just look at that shit lmao. I've had some autistic, Adderall-fueled thoughts about how I would make Captain Marvel dominate this scene instead of going with this humiliating mess.
>>220032381OP said CGI, not real footage you sick fuck
>>220044333zoomers shat their pants over this
where is Vin Diesel running though the exploding plane
>>220030286Daily reminder
>>220044333>grindhouse matrix
>>220043792You're one stupid anon
>>220044468based. Loved that movie
>>220042688I've always had mixed feelings about this.On the one hand, it is such a disgusting smear on the face of an otherwise pretty great movie, a small but thoroughly offensive stain.On the other hand, if it was the sacrifice that needed to be made to keep the insufferable Captain Marvel from having more then 3 minutes of screentime, then it was probably worth it.>CAPESHIT LMAOOOOfuck off. say what you want about the MCU and the mess it is now, but Infinity and Endgame were high-order kino
>>220043557Love this movie.
>>220043491What the fuck is even supposed to be happening here?
>>220030286It's so bad. Even in 2003 it looked like crap.
>>220044391And we have become exceedingly efficient at it with every encore.
>>220044391This came out in the year I was born.
>>220042688The exact moment where the MCU died.
>>220043908It's the only redeeming quality
https://youtu.be/SFDfm1j_l-0
>>220040653>>220031178
>>220045139why the fuck did they do this?!
>>220043491
How does this look so kino >>220030418 but this look like garbage >>220030286Even though theyre the same?
>>220030286
>>220030286>driver disappearserm
>>220031139The weird thing is that the car is real, only the agent is CGI
>>220040856Same reason Doug Jones is always the one to get hired for heavy makeup characters, being thin and tall makes the makeup team job much easier.
>>220046000Nanomachine suits are the perfect symbol of the MCU moving from soul to soulless. Just zero effort slop CGI instead of real suits.
>>220030418for me, it's sven law
>>220030286he has robocop badguy dick hands
>>220043792You don't know history
>>220040812BRAVA ZNYDER
>>220046381We need a movie about Sven Law being saved from termination. His smile must be protected
>>220040964kino adventure flick
>>220044983How did Tolkien write this?
>>220041501that shit was lame as fuckjust gay mannequin making retard faces in some brown nonsense space with no dimensions or distances and swinging virtual camera full of cgi vomit
>>220045322because his a cunt
>>220043783are you fucking retarded why would it need to be more efficient, she was just having fun
>>220040856>Attach fake robot stuff to back of head>Cover the seam with fake human skin>fake human skin is thick around the edges to make it look more realistic
>>220036819>CGI simply stopped developing after 2002Fucking retard even those awful garfield movies look better than this.
>boomers pissed and shitted themselves over this
>>220043491the crazy part for me is that you can't even see the zombies being effected by wind effects other than the very obvious wire work. This was the biggest fucking show on AMC at the time, and they couldn't even be fucked to get some big fans and baggy clothes. JFC this looks like such fucking trash>>220044627>The Walking Dead>episode opens>we see zombies getting picked up and thrown around by a hurricane/tornado>this causes no problems and never comes up again>it's just used to as an establishing shot to show that there is a massive storm
>>220047856Low budget indie show, please understand
>>220038335A single A10 would turn half their bird fucker air force into meat pulp. For the life of me, I have no idea why those things were discontinued, or why Lockheed Martin has never tried to produce their own off brand version of it
>>220047393I can't decide if this is awesome or terrible, what's it from?
>>220048045King Arthur.
>>220031178Remember when the F-22 was the only piece of technology movies cared about? I rewatched Iron Man and the F-22 shows up in five separate scenes, including being the logo for a convention and being on a trophy.
>>220043750
>>220030286I kind of miss when CGI clothes looked like playdough, now they don't look as comfy
>>220030506Do they not have guns?>>220048032My cousin works for Lockheed, they have some absolutely crazy shit going on.
>>220044187Oh God. Please post them all.
>>220044226In all these years, I’ve never tired if watching it.
>>220044468Fuck yeah.
>>220044671I would love this job.
>>220044931Wooow.
>>220047884I didn't even expect any big special effects scenes from this. But IIRC, this happened immediately after they finished fully securing the prison. And I was kinda just mad that they didn't use the opportunity to create a surprise crisis by yeeting a dozen zombies over their walls into what they thought was their safe zone. That's the thing that pissed me off the most. the establishing shit was literally more interesting and engaging than the actual plot
>>220045467I kek every single time.
>>220030286speed racer was the 2nd best thing the wachowskis did before they went full crazyits one of my favorite movies, i can thankfully separate the author from their work
>>220043774I hate the P90's tiny ass barrel so much
>>220049995I don't think that's a P90. Also the P90 has a relatively normal barrel length which just seems shorter due to the bullpup design.
>>220048045It’s King Arthur: Legend of the Sword, and it’s both at once. In isolation, it looks ridiculous to most people, but in context, it’s cool as fuck. I was sad that this movie didn’t do better. It’s essentially its own genre. I think of it as “Lad and Sorcery.”
>>220049868I want a docuseries that covers these guys’ jobs. Call it “The Green Men.”
>>220048045It's terrible. The soundtrack was fantastic though.
>>220043957It's funny how I remember thinking that this CGI looked terrible when I saw this in theaters but it looks amazing now compared to the modern slop churned out by Indian CGI sweatshops
>>220043733>>220044931>going from capeshit to this F-list streaming 'feature'grimshe should've showed more of the goods to get higher up the food chain
>>220044333I still think this is a clever way of showing that someone is moving fast enough to dodge bullets
>>220050089You’re fucking A right it is. I listen to it when I’m working out.
>>220050189lol same. Run Londinium is godly for HIIT sprints.
>>220031178why did they think flying a cube out on a slow ass helicopter was a good idea when these giant fucking robots can turn into jets and shitmovies fucking suck
>>220049251>they have some absolutely crazy shit going on.I don't doubt it for a second. It's somewhat common knowledge that the most advanced, experimental, military tech in the US is about 10 years ahead of what we are allowed to know about. This was perfectly illustrated in the Maduro raid, when we decided to just put our military dick on the table and reveal our advanced sonic weapons that just scramble brains at a long distance... And I'm sure the most curent experimental version of this tech is 10 years ahead of what we have seen... But the A10 lead laser is a 40 year old plane, if we go by the final production year. Lockheed had literally 40 fucking years to say "Hey, that's a really cool plane with a super niche and useful role. I'm sure the USAF will pay us a bajillionty dollars if we just make a better A10"
>>220032418>>220042098And he jumped from the flimsy roof of another car, nothing makes sense here. I was a kid and hyped as fuck at the time so i liked it.
>>220049984It's definitely underrated kino. Also Susan Sarandon is a fox in this movie, the scene where Speed is channeling the speed force in the finale and her voice is narrating over the action, when she says "When I watch you do some of the things you do... You just take my breath away" gave me an older woman fetish.
>>220031178slopkino i also like the one where he does a back flip and transforms again
>>220042657what she look like in the comics?
>>220044187This is unforgettable. Also, they show the xrays where he has cylindrical claws and then they just inject him with metal and he has knives made of super reactive flint steel
>>220046598computers were different back then
Just watched this in 4k Blu-ray. CGI is better than 95% of shit made today
>>220045322Denzel was throwing a tantrum that day and refused to open his eyes for the scene. Rather than waste a whole day of shooting while he sulked on a table, they moved on and tried to fix it in post
>>220050972>Denzelare you having a laugh or a stroke
>>220042002Because he loves watermelon.
>>220051100I am really hung over Anon, also>I saw Denzel Washington walking down the street yesterday. I called out "Hey Denzel!" He yelled back "Do you think every black man is Denzel Washington?">Ha! Classic Denzel.
>>220051149Mr Biden please go to bed, that's not Barack
>>220030506I couldn't tell whether if this was from the first movie or not until they showed the people riding the fish
>>220042688Reminder that this board unironically loved this shit and the jannies even made a sticky to stop spoilers
>>220046381He probably tried crazy daredevil stunts when he got gradually stronger. Maybe even was a minor celebrity in his timeline
>>220031178Transformer 2007 still the GOAT 20 years later
>>220030418Jet Li is just like Bruce Lee; zero charisma.
>>220051936reboot gamora has de-rezzed
>>220052274Man of Steel is still the unsurpassed superhero movie. It's just pure.
>>220042657Faggots online swear this is the best capeshit alive.
>>220030286Incredible graphics for a PS2 game.
>>220040653This is fucking trash, why do they let Indians post here?
>>220055058I didn't know Raian was a shark.
>>220055058Do actual grown men watch this stuff?
>>220036819lol, the reason you don't see wow-worthy CG anymore is multi-faceted. There has been diminishing returns, but the bigger issues are far greater demand (how many effects heavy films were primarily using CG in 2002 vs. 2002?), off-shoring to jeets (no one is sending work there because they're the best) and garbage productions constantly changing things in post.
>>220043204I hate to break it to you, but Suresh literally worked on Superman: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5591133Three effects companies worked on Superman. Two have offices in India.
>>220031178It's frustrating how good Transformers looks for 2007. The recent Dinosaur one objectively looked worse.
>>220042657Why?
>>220030506>SHOOTS COCKPIT WITH ARROW>ENTIRE SHIP IMMEDIATELY FALLS TO THE GROUNDBRAVO CAMEROON
>>220056778no one ever gives a source on this
>>220057178ghost in the shell 2045
>>220050127>>220044931Can't she be Wonder Woman?
>>220043491Of course tornados work on vidya logic where if you're within X feet of the vortex you're sucked into instant death but if you're X+1 feet away you're perfectly fine zero wind blowing at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgxcvmkPD-I
>>220030418>tfw his woman loved him in every dimension even the evil one
>>220042134The concept is pretty sweet, multiverse highlander. Helps that the ending is fucking epic.
>>220046000How the fuck does he have a better waist to hip ratio than the boxy yenta?
>>220042657So glad I didn't pay to see this shit but regret that I still watched it!!!FACT!!!
>>220057533kino
>>220030506>YESS DIE WHITEYVery nuanced, I see.
>>220030506Nice video game
>>220040964saar best movie great fun saar
>>220030286>This kills the crab
>>220052274The one thing I like about Snyder's shit is how vicious and brutal the fight scenes look and fell!!!FACT!!!
>>220042657>>220042688>>220042788>>220043204This is literally below cartoon level.
>>220043733>3 white women>3 dogs>BREED>tiny text: a, apartVeeeeeery subtle and tasteful
>>220043491>leaves on the ground moving like it's a light breeze
>>220057404Her tits definitely can
>>220030418KINO
>>220052274The dodging bit is the closest we've ever gotten to real anime
>>220058354Look at the people just before the car crashes into them. They still applaud him while he's already mid-air kek.
>>220050627>Angela Spica
>>220052274Kino.
>>220051936Reboot was great and surprisingly adult for kid's show.
>>220030506Why doesn't the military shoot at them?
>>220031178>90s merc>90s bmw>90s fucking daewoowait, what?
>>220059472Wow that's so weird for a movie made in... the 2000s.
>>220036861True digital art
>>220032418>bullets almost weigh nothing, so they cant do any damage
>>220059470They do
>>220041612How does he do it?!
>>220031178>Just noticed the trees moving from the jets thrust Holy soul
>>220042688They really gave that talentless dyke the hillary hairdo, wow marvel so subtle
>>220043733You just know, the movie
>>220044544fuck yeah I remember this
>>220055026this fucked me up in imax
>>220030506Imagine wasting trillions and trillions making those spaceships and traveling to Pandora and then a native destroys your whole ship with just 1 arrow.
>>220060718Haha, yeah imagine losing a war like that when you're so much more advanced technologically and have infinitely more resources.
>>220050786so much of it wasn't cgi and just amazing miniatures. They did a fantastic job. The best movie effects used miniatures supplemented by cgi.
>>220044468>>220044544Based
>>220060743The difference in technology between the Na'vi and humans in Avatar is much bigger than the USA and North Vietnam. We are talking about advanced aliens from another planet fighting natives that don't even have guns and I think that they don't even have metal weapons.
>>220060718The natives were getting their asses kicked by the humans. They were charging machine gun lines on horses getting mowed down. They had no idea how to bring down helicopters. Jake taught them exactly where to hit and gave them explosives to do it. And it's literally happening right now with billions of dollars in tanks and helicopters being destroyed in Ukraine from dinky little drones with an rpg strapped to them
>>220060776
>>220040812>RoboCap
>>220060743North Vietnamese had tech from Russians and Chinese.
>>220055961
>>220030286Top Gun Maverick
>>220043204wtf is sindel doing in supergirl?
>>220031178It's seamless. It looks real to me in a way that modern cgi just doesn't
>>220051656you're too old to still think the site isn't stuffed with paid shilling.
>>220060857>The natives were getting their asses kicked by the humans.I keep reading that here but all I remember is humans losing battles to natives with arrows.
>>220060743
>>220030286people talk shit about the robocop arms (which caused the effect by a wide angle lens) but no one talks about this agent dude who was rendered like this on purpose
>>220049694>>220044187
>>220061983In their defense the agent is like an angel, they can take different shapes and forms.2 Corinthians 11:14 KJVAnd no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
>>220060743>>220061906Kek.
I kid
>>220062375Based moon landing denier.
>>220040856Its truly amazing the sacrifices these actors make for the roles. No wonder the paychecks are so large. Its only fair imo
>>220041978He didn't have cancer
>>220062520>sacrifice your whole body for the role>they let you keep your hand>forgot to put it into the contract to keep your dick
>>220043923Its funny because everyone rips on the rock for using steroids but ffs look at the size of vin diesel, how much HGH does that guy take?
>>220050130One day, they wont have to.
>>220044333KIIIINOOOOOO
>>220044671>it wasn't a fart
>>220059509not ordinary cars in the us
>>220050972>>220051100>>220051149https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdxMkQhq58gfucking kek
>>220062625Rock thinks he had Vin? Rock never had Vin. Rock never had his car.
>>220032329t. wagecuck
>>220061264>Tom didn't even fly the helicopter So much for doing your own stunts. pfft.
>>220042688GIRLS GET IT DONE!
>>220062802>there was even bare breasts in the original Robocop. None in ours. I think they should have had some, but they didn't put any in it.>hands up in grabbing boobs gesture
>>220043750>this is the good x-men movieall the jew shit really bumped the reviews
>>220030506Still don't get the hype with these things. Boring world and its all cg trying to look realistic so how is anything impressive? I tried watching fire and ash yesterday because of how much people like these thibgs then after them saying bro 100 times and like 20 minutes in i rememberd I dont give a shit about these blue faggots and turned it off.
>>220065657they're not movies for the terminally online is all. you're essentially no longer human.
>>220065811What does using the internet have to do with thinking these movies are uninteresting
>>220042657LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO, SO RETARDEDDDD
>>220045966Despite being on the cutting edge of special effects at the time, the Matrix sequels have aged really poorly. I remember everyone going crazy about how great they were and did a total 180 just a few years later. Kind of like the Star Wars prequels too which looked amazing at the time, but also have aged really poorly.
>>220066022Because they're very interesting and beloved by a large majority of audiences. You only think differently since you're brain rotten from being terminally online. That's also why you need this spoonfed to you like a child.
>>220044586>but Infinity and Endgame were high-order kinolol
>>220066133I like plenty of popular movies. I like many of the marvel movies and john wick and stuff. I just dont like this one and i don't get it.
>>220044701brap memes aside, how is a fart supposed to penetrate tanned leather?
>>220066192Don't try to make your fart penetrate tanned leather. That's impossible. Just try to realize the truth: there is no tanned leather. Then you will see that is not the leather that is penetrated, only your asshole farting into the wind.
>>220064261
>>220064261>tfw your job is to sniff keanu reeves dick while filming action scenes
>>220044544source?
>>220056778Is that Motoko and Batou from GITS chasing him up the stairs?
>>220066768Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
>>220066926Yes, it's an actual Ghost in the Shell product. The guy is a fully robotic body and even though it looks silly, the context is it's showing robot bodies don't have to move like humans do. They can backflip perfectly upstairs, they can bend legs in abnormal ways and walk like a spider or crab. It's meant to be unformfortable and weird. It looks silly onscreen out of context, but you'd shit yourself seeing a robot do that in reality.
>>220067069Holy shit. lel. That's cool that I saw them. I just watched GITS 2: Innocence last night. Do you mind telling me the product? I kinda want to check it out if it's actually real. Has to be a video game, right? I played the PSP game back in the day. That was pretty fun.
>>220067143Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2045
>>220067354Thanks, fren. I need to try the other series' as well. Hear they won't stand up to the older stuff, but I'll watch them anyway.
