This guy right here saves Sauron, leading to the defeat of Aragorn and Gandalf and the rest of Man's forces, leading to the annihilation of Man and rise of the Orc, and rule of Sauron over Middle Earth. Why the fuck didn't Sauron do it? Plothole.
Sauron knew it would be impossible for anyone to willingly destroy the ring. Its destruction was a fluke/act of god.
>>220033932All the orcs were rightly redeployed to battle Aragorn who was *known* to have the Ring.Even if Sauron suspected an infiltration mission, those suspicions would've been quashed when Frodo was found WITHOUT the Ring.
>>220034128>>220035537
>>220033932Counterpoint:
>>220033932>guard catches two hobbits and their dog at mt doom and confiscates the ring>guard tosses ring into mt doom anyway because he hates his bossCheckmate, Sauron.
>>220034069>>220034128So that means you cant and wouldnt spare a single guard?
>>220037689What would he eat?
>>220037367>guard tosses ring into mt doom anyway because he hates his bossHow would he know destroying the ring kills Sauron?>>220033932>leading to the annihilation of Man and rise of the OrcKek, Sauron would genocide the orcs the millisecond they aren't needed.
>>220033932In the book the path up the mountain is being constantly covered in debris so there are orcs stationed there to clean it up
>>220038538>How would he know destroying the ring kills Sauron?he doesn't, thats the funny part
>>220033932Canonically, Sam would just put on the ring and turn him into blood mist.
Why did mt doom even have an access door?
>>220040892in case he needed to make more rings
>He is in great fear, not knowing what mighty one may suddenly appear, wielding the Ring, and assailing him with war, seeking to cast him down and take his place. That we should wish to cast him down and have no one in his place is not a thought that occurs to his mind. That we should try to destroy the Ring itself has not yet entered into his darkest dream
>>220041019>the guy who actually made the ring is concerned they'll use it against him and succeed>NOOOOOO I FEAR THE CONSEQUENCESkwabbed alliance
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>>220041127oh I see, Gandalf who thought the ring was a party trick for 60 years knows better right?
>>220041100Yes, the bad guys in Lord of the Rings are cowardly and spiritually weak beings, that's literally the point
>>220040892It's actually a fire exit
>>220037689look up the word "hubris"
>>220040475this guy knows humor
>>220041553that's the dumbest shit i ever read
>>220033932>>220035537You've already been debunked years ago
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>>220033932just equip the ring, sneak past him and drop it in the lava.
>>220033932Sauron kept his hentai collection in the Cracks of Goon. It was a temptation that no mortal could resist. If he stationed an orc (known for being treacherous) outside, he was just asking for trouble.
>>220034069>Sauron knew it would be impossible for anyone to willingly destroy the ring. Its destruction was a fluke/act of god.It's kind of insane how this isn't more obvious to people. Frodo FAILED. Even the Ringbearer could not resist the Ring and claimed it for himself at the last moment. But it was the pity and mercy of Bilbo and Frodo that allowed its destruction at the hands of Gollum. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
>>220043591Nah, Frodo didn't fail. Getting it 99.9% of the way is a win since obviously it was good enough. And guards right at the gate wouldn't have done a single thing whatsoever. Sauron had guards and defenses all over Mordor and Frodo was even captured by them multiple times. It didn't make a difference, and neither would a couple more at the end.
>>220043788>Nah, Frodo didn't fail. Getting it 99.9% of the way is a win since obviously it was good enoughNigga what? At the last moment he refused to destroy the Ring and claimed it for himself. If Gollum hadn't have been spared by Bilbo and himself, Frodo would have used its power to become the new Dark Lord in time, just as Gandalf was talking about during the Council of Elrond. Gollum is the one who destroyed the Ring, either from a chance slip while dancing in joy (book) or fighting Frodo for it (movie). This is explicitly stated by Tolkien, this isn't my analysis or observation of the story.
>>220043895>Frodo would have used it's power to become the new Dark Lord in timeFrodo's starting power level was too low for this. He was the most lordly of hobbits, and his long years of Ring-abstinence had given him a will of steel, but he was still just a hobbit. Tolkien wrote in one of his letters that assuming Gollum wasn't there to save him, Frodo would have had the power to dismay the Nazgul, but he wouldn't be able to leave the Cracks of Doom, and Sauron would have just sent an army of orcs to kill him while the Nazgul were keeping him busy.
>>220043895He never even said he was going to personally destroy it. He said he was taking it to mordor. I hope he negotiated a bigger share of sauron's treasure when all is said and done.
>>220043895>Gollum is the one who destroyed the RingI never claimed that Frodo destroyed it.I claimed that he succeeded.
>>220044040>Frodo would have had the power to dismay the NazgulHuh? The ring actually does anything?
>>220041917>real noted thing within several people throughout history is the dumbest shit ive readsure anon
>>220044502It amplifies the power of the wielder to dominate others. If you don't already have the ability to command others (through fear, charisma, magic, etc), it won't do anything, because 0 x 1 million is still 0. Frodo only had a bit of power, but he was able to imperfectly dominate Gollum. The Nazgul were uniquely vulnerable to the One Ring, because they were slaves to their own Rings, and those Rings were slaves of the One. Even so, Frodo wouldn't have been able to dominate them, only keep them from approaching him.
>>220043591Frodo didn't fail. He was charged to bring the ring to Mt. Doom, which he did.
>>220045442You're right, the pity and mercy of Bilbo and Frodo is NOT what enabled the destruction of the Ring.
>>220033932Because God Himself intervened to make the victory happen, so any orc guarding the entrance would just have slipped and hit his head on the ground or something
>hmmmm, what should I stake the fate of the world on?>maybe whether two midgets will irrationally spare another murderous treacherous meth addict midget that is deliberately trying to kill them
>>220046086>Because God Himself intervened to make the victory happenWRONG
>>220046411Every time I come to these threads, I secretly pray to God that people stop quoting that off-hand comment Tolkien made in a single letter to a friend like 15 years after he wrote the book.
>>220046979Plus I'm pretty sure people are misunderstanding the quote.It's not that Eru intervened directly. Rather, he designed the world in such a way that evil would defeat itself.It's like a game dev adding some bullshit into his game to fuck your shit up.
>>220047760It's not that evil destroys itself, it's Tolkien's religiousness shining through. Tolkien as a true Christian believed that only God can truly destroy evil for good.
>>220033932Frodo could have just put on the ring and ran past him to toss the ring. He wouldn't have tossed it of course and instead Eru would have interfered to make it happen. Some giant iron doors on the other hand? Erin would really have to show an act of God for Frodo to to get past that instead of just a gust of wind or whatever the fuck. Hell he would probably just cause the mountain to erupt like it does after the ring is cast in and then Frodo can just toss it in the flowing lava, which again he wouldn't do himself and Eru would also have to play a part in that.
>>220047877It wasn't as simple as just throwing the ring in some lava from Mt. Doom, it really NEEDED to be destroyed inside Sammath Naur.
>>220047936Then I guess something would have caused the door to come down like a mild eruption and the magma melts through the hinges or some shit. God uh, finds a way.
>>220033932Where was Sauron's body during all of this?
>>220038387Tax returns.
