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>>220041355
This but unironically.

>>220041355
If you seethe and cope, they win.

Instead tell them the following "Whatever you say, nigger."

>>220041441
Spbp + OP is a faggot + /thread

>hes a nihilist

>>220041494
Ah such noble wisdom from a deadbeat dad that left his kingdom to ruin so he could seek "enlightenment" from sadomasochism and spouting bullshit morality tales with animals

>>220041355
>recognizing that nothing has any sort of greater meaning/purpose means that you arent allowed to have feelings or desires
it truly is a litmus test. people that praise this shit are retarded.

>>220041355
>you better not say life is worthless, or I'll kill you!

>>220044081
>>220041355
Concessions accepted

>>220044368
>>220044368
concession to what? make and prove a statement.

"serious conversations" on this shithole are so embarrassing it makes me want to crawl out of my skin. 4chan has only ever been good for memes and shitposting. The subhumans who come here are worthless retards. The fact that there's any sort of feeling that 4chan users are superior to redditors, twitter users or tiktok users is actually pretty hilarious. Just pure delusion.

>>220044753
based true nihilist

>>220044753
>The fact that there's any sort of feeling that 4chan users are superior to redditors, twitter users or tiktok users is actually pretty hilarious. Just pure delusion.
its also a hilarious larp that they pretend like they dont use any of those themselves.

I want to know why chuds like to larp as wholesome chungus catholics or whatever the fuck it is they larp as

>>220045134
*watches as master picks up a different chud and anally devastates it*

*bites self in anger for pissing on the master and causing him to pick a different chud*

>>220044361
This but unironically.

Contempt for life itself is as self defeating as solipsism
The retards who talk about life being worthless conveniently never reach the conclusion that they should end their worthless lives and instead go on as if they reached enlightement trying to preach their worthless words as if anyone needs to hear them.

They should absolutely be killed on the spot

>>220045737
I know life is worthless but I never tell people that because I don’t want them to be as miserable as me (I’m telling you because you’re brown tho)

>>220043341
And yet he’s way less miserable than you despite have 100x more the troubles. You are pathetic and worthless. I know for a fact you’re gonna go to /r9k/ and bitch about why you don’t have a girlfriend because you are a bitch made pussy after crying about this post.

>>220044753
> The fact that there's any sort of feeling that 4chan users are superior to redditors, twitter users or tiktok users is actually pretty hilarious. Just pure delusion.
I don’t get it either. This whole new wave fundamentalist 4chan tradcath nonsense is the 2020’s version of reddit athiesm. Nobody is serious about it beyond moral posturing. The only thing this site has slightly above the others is that they don’t have an upvote down vote system that turns them into even bigger oversocialized freaks who get off on dopamine hits for having the “right opinion.” At least we know this is just going to be a phase.

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>>220045737
>never reach the conclusion that they should end
how does being worthless and meaningless create a "SHOULD" for anything? thats a retarded jump in logic. if everything is worthless and meaningless, there definitively is no "should". you have have fundamentally misunderstood the concept.

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>>220045134
>Anyone online with different beliefs than me os "LARPing"
Just like anyone espousing views you dont like is """grifting""", right troonshit?

>>220046705
If it's without worth and without meaning then continuing to slog through it is logically a negative. Therefore, all else being even, it should not be continued.

>>220046785
>opens soijak folder
>selects the perfect 'jak
>types "Just like anyone espousing views you dont like is """grifting""", right troonshit?"

>>220046785
People who believe in nothing can literally not imagine people actually believing in things. They're hopeless.

>>220041355
Oh boy it's the thread where we argue over which "adult" cartoon has the best philosophy! I love this one!

>>220046901
No one literally believes in nothing.
In fact the way you're saying that shows that you're engaging in the exact kind of failure to use theory of mind as you're complaining about:
>These people don't believe in the same thing as me and derive purpose that is not in line with my own, therefore they have no beliefs or purpose and are sad
Really all that's going on here is both sides have trouble relating.

>>220047065
Blah blah blah
Shut up fag

>>220046819
negative is a meaning. you're retarded.
just because there is no grander purpose or meaning, doesnt mean that interactions and results dont exist. it doesnt mean that pleasure or pain dont exist. it doesnt mean that desire doesnt exist.

how fucking stupid are you to not understand that?

>>220041355
Never understood why this scene was memed here or a big deal.

>>220046978
Yeah it's actually family guy__________:^)

>>220047375
because its a high intensity scene that is fundamentally wrong at its core.

>>220047401
Explain

>>220047419
see:
>>220046705
>>220046819
>>220046819
>>220047272

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>Buddhist says desire is the source of human suffering
>"Oh well I guess you don't desire to eat or breathe?"
>Christian says to turn the other cheek
>"Oh well I guess you would be okay with watching your wife get raped and then forgive the rapist?"
>Nihilist says existence has no objective meaning
>"Oh well I guess you would be okay with being murdered?"

>>220047375
this site has a sizeable amount of braindead nihilists, and this scene still makes them seethe even now.

>>220047471
things that are wrong, presented as fact, are usually the easiest bait to get interactions. cunningham's law.

>>220047471
How?! Does anyone really think its a own to point out that no one really wants to be killed or die? And nihilists don't want everyone and themselves to die.

People who think everything is meaningless are sure getting upset about nothing

>>220047646
>you have to be a nihilist to understand what nihilism even is and correct others when they're wrong
retard

>>220047145
Mad because I'm right

>>220047518
Wanting anything at all is antithetical to believing nothing matters. This includes wanting to live another day. It's not hard to understand.

>>220048993
how does that make sense? how does not believing in grand design/purpose/meaning/value negate personal desire?

>>220049217
Why would you desire anything with no value over anything else with no value. It's a null logic. Makes no sense. Object a has no value, object b has no value, but you want object a and not object b? Without value this makes no sense. The only way it is possible is if you do, in fact, value object a and not object b.

>>220049263
These objects a and b are outcomes in life: continue or do not. If there is no value in either, then there is no reason to consistently choose a and never b.

>>220048993
What about hedonists

>>220049317
They aren't nihilists. They believe that purpose in life is pleasure.

That'd be why they have different words to describe them.

>>220041355
>this show made zoomers piss and shit their pants with laughter(?) in 2025

>>220047711
Why are you so angry?

>>220041355
You're so mad

>>220049263
>>220049290
lmao not having value or meaning doesnt mean that things dont still happen. it doesnt erase pleasure. it doesnt erase pain. just because there is no good or evil, or it doesnt matter if life goes on or not, doesnt mean that we cant enjoy the ride. and dont get it twisted, im not saying that its hedonism either. "liking something" isnt a "true value", its a personal one, even if its arbitrary.

"it doesnt matter if i die", has no bearing on "but i dont WANT to".
"well why not?" well not want TO die? it doesnt matter. its irrelevant. whether i flipped a coin and stuck with the result, or if i acknowledge enjoyment of experiencing things, none of that changes the fact that things dont ACTUALLY matter in a grand way.

your stance is entirely pretentiously reductive.

>>220049539
>Twisting yourself into knots like this instead of saying, "Yeah, I guess nihilism is stupid"

The "I care about nothing" camp surely cares about a lot of things as this thread demonstrates

>>220049317
>>220049345
>>220049539
nihilists can choose to not die and choose to avoid pain, not because they are secretly hedonists, but because that is simply the matter of course.

i exist as a thing, and i find pleasure in eating donuts. i dont eat too many, and i round out my diet for my long term health because i do not like pain. there is no "purpose" in life, and pleasure is not "purpose". it may be the guiding impetus, but it is not "purpose". it is simply a matter of course in how things act and react. the same way water flows downhill not because there is purpose, but thats just how gravity acts upon it.

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>>220049603
>nihilism means you dont care
>only a nihilist would argue about what nihilism even is in this thread

>>220049713
>gets called out
>throws a hissy fit

The "I'm superior because I know I'm le stardust" camp surely is insecure

>>220049673
>life and death have equal meaning and value
>but I always choose life because... uhh... that's just the way it is!
Retard.

>being so fucking retarded you think "nihilism" and "moral nihilism" mean the same thing

>>220049994
this, nihilists are the most limp dicked faggots who think doing nothing makes them better than everyone else kek

>>220041355
Midwits do nothing but cope. Nihilism is cope for emotionally bankrupt losers. Lesbianism is a cope for being undesirable either physically or mentally. Liberalism is a cope for being a retard that cant get by on skills or intelligence. Socialism is a cope for faggots who are afraid to admit they are communist scum who hate life and human beings. Animal activism is a cope also for people who hate humans. Vegans is another. You'll notice most are leftist ideologies because they all hate themselves for being neurodivergent and cope.

>>220049775
>>220049845
>>220049880
>Nihilism is closely associated with other disillusioned attitudes toward the world, like pessimism, absurdism, existentialism, cynicism, and apathy. Although the meanings of these terms overlap, they have distinct connotations and do not necessarily imply one another.
you faggots sure do love being wrong.

>>220050173
nigger

>>220049845
>life and death have equal, non-existent meaning and intrinsic value
yes
choosing to continue life isnt due to some secret purpose or value that they deny. it seems that you dont understand the concept of "intrinsic".

>>220050209
i accept your concession.

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>>220041355
on the other hand how many people have claimed this makes sense

>>220050909
the only way it makes sense is that they just want the pain to stop, but dont want death to be the solution. what they WANT is to live without pain. many suicidal people face this dilemma, and many people that go through with it do so only because they see death as the only viable option for just getting the pain to stop. many people just hope that some unforeseen solution will occur, so they avoid death until it hopefully happens.

Atheists are so easily triggered

>>220041355
>Ha Ha You Clowns mogs

>>220041355
garbage show
>>220050909
weebslop

>>220041355
>slick side A1
kino

>>220041355
>a survival
holy jeet

>>220045134
Its the chud form of virtue signaling

>>220045990
No the userbases are totally different. 4chan is much, much, better than Reddit

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>>220041355
>>nihilism means you can't have a survival instinct
yes

>>220041355
>nooo you can't just expect to fight and reject my instinct when I spout my nihlishict bullshit 24/7

>>220044368
You would accept concessions, Fat Tits.

>>220041355
>dude, le nothing matters... except people who are being racist/transphobic/islamophobic/misogynist
reddit in a nutshell.

>>220045737
>The retards who talk about life being worthless conveniently never reach the conclusion that they should end their worthless lives and instead go on as if they reached enlightement trying to preach their worthless words as if anyone needs to hear them.
>
>They should absolutely be killed on the spot
you're not really entirely wrong on this but the reason why they don't kill themselves is because they either fear death or fear the process of dying. the latter is easy, get a doctor to give them some drug cocktail to put them out nice and easy, but the former is just basic risk/reward deduction where they have no clue what comes next or if it's worse, especially IF they kill themselves, so they just go on with life embittered with it. this is basically aggravated triply so if they have religious tendencies because the dominant religious faiths generally say that suicide is a sin and risks permanent ongoing torture while also assuring believers of a mythical paradise that awaits them if they continue in their faith and press on, so now you have a concrete belief system that there is literally no benefit to living on this earth while also having no proactive escape whatsoever from it. the only logical conclusion to this is antinatalism, which is really what those people you describe subscribe to

>>220053038
>we literally see rick sanchez murder billions of people on the daily on rick and morty
>somehow he hates nazis despite having a higher kill count than nazis

>>220044081
>recognizing that nothing has any sort of greater meaning/purpose

That's not nihilism you midwit

>>220053108
it is the belief that there is no intrinsic value or ethics. there are some that also believe that even knowledge is fake and that nothing can be known for certain, but that seems pretty retarded when clearly things exist and have properties. and math in general. but yes, nihilism is believing that there is no greater purpose or intrinsic value to anything.

apparently what most dipshits in this thread dont realize is that this doesnt mean that personal value cant be imposed.

>>220053232
I didn't know that Kant was a nihilist. That's crazy new theory

>>220053287
maybe you should google what nihilism is then.

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>>220053287
consider actually searching it yourself in order to read more.

>>220053350
Nihilism is about how you answer the meaninglessness of life, not that you recognize it. Nietzsche fought all his life against nihilism just to be labeled by midwits as one

>>220053418
>nietzsche talks about and defines what it even is
>this means he believes in and adheres to it himself
grim.

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>>220053400
>Google AI

>>220053418
>Nihilism is about how you answer the meaninglessness of life, not that you recognize it
holy shit, call the dictionary and encyclopedias! they've been wrong about what it is for years! this anon has the truth!!!!

>>220053471
whats wrong, you cant scroll down and click on a dictionary or encyclopedia link? not even wikipedia?

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>>220053465
>You cannot bring Nietzsche into a conversation about nihilism. Have you ever read Nietzsche?
Yes
>YFW

>>220053504
They already know

>>220053537
go to bed, anon. you're drunk posting.

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>>220041355
Watch Everything Everywhere All at Once to see how nihilism can bring hope to your life and even if you don't think life has inherent meaning, does not mean nothing has meaning.

>>220041355
Yes. Nihilists are all posers and losers

>>220041355
>Nihilism[a] is a family of philosophical views that reject the existence of any objectively meaningful purpose, moral value, truth, or knowledge. Nihilistic views span several branches of philosophy, including ethics, value theory, epistemology, and metaphysics. Nihilism is also described as a broad cultural phenomenon or historical movement that pervades modernity in the Western world.
>Existential nihilism asserts that life has no objective meaning or purpose. The idea that all individual and societal values are ultimately pointless has been associated with various responses. They range from general indifference and existential crises to transformative reinterpretations of established ideals and a creative embrace of personal meaning-making. Moral nihilism, a related view, denies the objective existence of morality, arguing that moral evaluations and practices rest on misguided assumptions without any foundation in external reality.

what's that great work of art, scientific achievement, act of heroism, good 4chan post made by a nihilist?

>>220041355
the scene that one-shotted all redditors and rick and morty fags in existence

>>220053742
>uhm nothing matters so I choose love to be happy
>but why do you have to be happy?
>because it's good just shut up
No this retarded reddit movie is just nihilistic faggots wanting to have their cake and eat it too.

>>220041355
nah but it does mean that when someone behaves in a way that negates your worth as they point a barrel aimed right at your forehead, you have no right to cry about it

>>220055537
>things dont have intrinsic meaning, so you're not allowed to create personal meaning
>>220055558
>life doesnt have intrinsic meaning or value, so you're not allowed to want to live
you people clearly dont understand what nihilism even is.

>>220055608
>so you're not allowed to create personal meaning
>nihilism
/ˈnʌJ(h)JlJz(ə)m/
noun
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.
Yes, that's exactly what it means. It means moral or ethical issues shouldn't be a problem for a nihilist since they are made up. Wanting to create your own meaning is hypocritical and is why it's a laughable philosophy.

>>220055729
see: >>220053941>>220053400
>Jean-Paul Sartre suggested people can create their own values through the free choices they make, despite the cosmic lack of meaning.
the fact that you cant recognize and reconcile the difference between "intrinsic meaning/value/truth" and "subjective, personal meaning/value/truth" is pathetic.

>>220055869
None of this goes against what I say about hypocrisy you fucking idiot

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>>220055982
how is it hypocritical? there is no grand or intrinsic meaning or purpose. however, things still exist. people still have feelings. how is it hypocritical to choose to feel good for the self? how is it hypocritical to want? how is it hypocritical for existence to continue just because it doesnt have some sort of intrinsic value?

>>220041355
>nothing matters!
>how about i kill you?
>noooo i have survival instinct
>how about give me your car
>noooo i have car ownership instinct
>how about give me all your money
>noooo i got financial instinct
>how about i fuck your wife in front of you?
>noooo i got resistance to cuckoldry instinct
>how about i vote for Trump?
>noooo i got marxist instincts
>how about i misgender a tranny?
>noooo i got soiboy instincts
>doesnt this mean that actually all this matters?
>noooo theyre just instincts!!

>>220056256
You're just saying that because you have the anti nihilism instinct

>>220056256
see>>220055608>>220056230
answer the question

I don't think the show was being that serious or saying that X is right or wrong, why are americans like this?

>>220056256
>because life doesnt have intrinsic meaning/value, you cant have desires or feelings
where do you retards come up with this shit?

>>220044753
Where can someone have a good conversation online?

>>220047457
all true btw

>>220056403
You unironically can't have a meaningful or constructive conversation with another human being unless you're face to face with them. I guess the best you'll get is a video call but even those can be dipped out of in an instant. The internet is not the place to go for meaningful or constructive discussion and it's embarrassing that people think it is. 4chan faggots are just as guilty of this mental illness as any other website. I literally can't fathom why someone would get in a heated political argument here. It never EVER seems like anyone involved is enjoying themselves, which leads me to believe they genuinely think they're fighting the good fight by engaging in such a Sisyphean undertaking. It's a little sad.

>>220056381
if you desire something it clearly has value to you though

>>220056491
thats not intrinsic value though. how is this such a hard concept to understand?

>>220056545
prove that it isn't

>>220056230
>I'm a pacifist, I may punch people because of my feelings but that doesn't make me a hypocrite
That's how retarded you sound

>>220056567
its a subjective, personal value. not an objective, intrinsic value. holy fuck you're retarded.

>>220056601
you are just making up words now nihilistcuck

>>220056592
damn, you MIGHT be even more retarded than the other guy. you clearly dont understand what nihilism even is.

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>>220056617
>you are just making up words now
All words are made up

>>220056645
some are intrinsic

>>220056625
>no argument
Yep that's nihilists for you

>>220056695
>you didnt justify my false equivalent analogy based on my complete misunderstanding of nihilism by giving it a response
>heh, i win
yep, its fully retarded. but lets just see what kind of troll asspull he'll try even when spoonfed.

nihilism is about things not having intrinsic/objective value/meaning/purpose. this does not exclude the freedom to create subjective value/meaning/purpose. YOU think that nihilism means that nothing can have any sort of value whatsoever under any circumstance. nothing supports your bizarre and misinformed stance. your comparison to pacifism is built upon that misunderstanding, and that is why it is a false equivalence and inadmissible. will you learn and grow, or will you doubledown and reject facts?

He got really mad huh.

>>220056865
You really are retarded. I don't give a shit that nihilism includes the freedom to create their own meaning, what I'm saying is that shit is hypocrisy, you fucking idiot. If you reject established values because they have no intrinsic or objective value/meaning then why the fuck should subjective meaning have any value then? Oh because how they feel? What a fucking enlightenment and critical thinking; good job you're just acting out of sentimentality just like non-nihilists do.

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>>220057072
>he still doesnt understand

blud took out the anime reactions he is going all in now!

If you're a faggot edgelord nihilist, correct, you are not allowed to be afraid of death and continue holding that viewpoint. Either your life doesn't matter, same as everything else in the world, and thus death is ultimately of no consequence, or you're afraid of dying thus saying your life has intrinsic meaning given to you. To try and hold both at the same time is hypocrisy
Actual chad nihilists are allowed to care about death because they attempt to give their lives purpose and become ubermensch

>>220057224
>still not understanding the difference between objective and subjective
ngmi

>>220056381
so stuff suddenly matters?

>>220057129
I understand nihilists who don't kill themselves are hypocrites and cowards, yes.

>>220057292
define "matters" lol.

>>220057150
kek fuck you

>>220057269
Who do you believe you're talking to and in what world would it be relevant to a single thing i said?

>>220049263
value is not the measure of desirability

>>220057297
>im just an ignorant narcissist, so im better than everyone else
truly a magnificent viewpoint

>>220057316
>Who do you believe you're talking to
a complete retard
>and in what world would it be relevant to a single thing i said
the part where you think objective and subjective are mutually exclusive, and thus hypocritical.

>>220057328
>random ad hominem
Congrats on your C+ deflection, nobody noticed it at all

>>220044753
Top Redditest moment of the weekend. Only a Reddit tourist comes here for "le memes" or "le ebin trolling" kill yourself søyboy.

>220057367
Just spamming buzz words isn't an argument
no (You) for you, do us all a favor and kill yourself
have a good morning

>>220057328
No my beliefs may be illogical, but I don't pretend I see life only in scientific truths. I don't reject conservative values just because there's no evidence that higher power exist.
>im just an ignorant narcissist,
Nihilist projecting their narcissism, kek lmao

>>220057391
>objective and subjective are just buzzwords
yikes

>>220056381
>I don't have any controls of my desires of feelings
nihilistfags are pathetic.

>>220057399
>my beliefs may be illogical, but THEY are the hypocrites
lmao

>>220057417
who said anything about control? how is that in any way relevant?

>>220057419
Correct, non-nihilists don't reject the concept of objective or intrinsic meanings even without any scientific or measurable proofs. Having beliefs out of sentimentality and feelings is absolutely normal.

>>220041355
>my survival instinct is being a cowardice faggot that back pedals at any pushback
"Why do we keep losing elections??"

>>220057466
>dont think, just obey
your nose is poking through the mask.

>>220057429
Think harder, the answer is pretty obvious

>>220053232
>My high school freshman idea of nihilism is the REAL nihilism!

Remember when this fucking shithole actually ban underaged fags?

>>220047457
The response to the christian is correct because it was a religion created by it's believer's enemies. When is it preferable to turn your cheek instead of having justice exacted?

>>220053471
>This thing that takes the literal definition of a thing?
>You use facts???
>insane!
kill yourself, if nothing really matters, then why not?

>>220057491
>heh unlike you sheeple I think
>NOOOOO MY SUBJECTIVE MEANINGS MY FEELINGS I CAN'T HELP MYSELF BECAUSE INSTINCTS OKAY??
have some self-awareness

>>220057498
control isnt a relevant aspect to any of this, so if you want to make a case for it, you have to present one.
>>220057501
>nigger cant even do a google search
yeah, you should have been banned years ago.

>>220056567
Because we don't all want all of the same things.

>>220045134
Shame over porn addiction.

>>220045134
Because a wholesome catholic society would be the ideal world.

>>220053103
The real Rick would say the n-word and be a chud

>>220057503
>When is it preferable to turn your cheek instead of having justice exacted?
idk when I talk to online christians here alot of them seem to think it's mistranslated or misunderstood and that it actually means you be greedy and violent and self centered at every opportunity

>>220057532
who said anything about "cant help myself"? yeah one anon said "survival instincts", which is a fair but minor point. trying to claim that survival instinct is proof of objective value is BEYOND retarded.

the point is that nihilism is the understanding that there is no grand objective meaning/purpose/value to anything. what you choose to do with that information afterwards is irrelevant and ALSO meaningless. the notion that just because something has no meaning that it MUST stop is an imposition of a value. whether it stops or keeps going is both equally meaningless. my pleasure doesnt have an objective value to existence, and neither does my pain. they still exist though, and have actions and reactions all the same. dominoes exist and function, but they dont matter. wanting is not objective purpose. how something interacts with another is not inherent value. a person making a choice doesnt have an objective value, even if they made the choice with the goal result of pleasure in mind. you thinking that any of that is hypocritical just shows how little you understand how anything works. "if it doesnt matter, then you arent allowed to feel" and "if you feel, then thats proof that there is value" is such a pathetic misunderstanding of the concept entirely. you have an extremely narrow and narcissistic scope of things.

the whole "turn your cheek" thing was about subverting roman law and forcing the aggressor roman to treat you as an equal. it was about non-violence and shaming your aggressor.

>>220057503
The equivalent idea today would be something like
>if a guy trolls you, just let him keep doing it until everyone else starts calling him a faggot

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>>220057522
It matters to me

>>220057729
All these paragraphs, and you still just can't accept that pretending objective and subjective meanings are different is retarded and hypocritical.
> pathetic misunderstanding of the concept entirely. you have an extremely narrow and narcissistic scope of things.
Again, blatantly obvious projection of a nihilist's narcissism.

>>220058302
>pretending objective and subjective meanings are different
LMAO they quite literally are. you can be a nihilist and understand that there is no grand objective meaning to things while still understanding that subjective meanings and values occur sometimes. the key thing being that objective would be intrinsic, but subjective is quite varied. the notion that "nihilism means that there are NO MEANINGS WHATSOEVER, objective OR subjective" is reductive and ignorant. its just plain incorrect, lol. "if theres no grand cosmic meaning/purpose, then theres no minor subjective meaning/purpose" is stupid. like sorry you misunderstand the topic, but now is the time to learn and grow. if you dont believe me, try looking it up.

>>220058165
ironic image considering nietzsche believed nihilism was the state all men enter before finding god

>>220045134
Who says they're LARPing? Do you believe people incapable of sincere moral fanaticism?

>>220058465
Yeah because foreskin god keeps them with coping

>>220041355
>nihilism means you can't have a survival instinct
No you retard, it means your ideology is fake and when it comes to mortality you have no conviction
A true nihilist should welcome death

>>220059234
>A true nihilist should welcome death
why though

>>220059339
Because they value nothing and believe nothing has value

>>220059355
doesn't lead to welcoming death. if aything they would be indifferent to it

>>220059355
No that's not it.

>>220059380
That is it
>>220059376
>they would be indifferent to it
Yeah, so they would welcome it, but they don't because they are emo poseurs

>>220041355
why do people call Grim and Nargly nihilists, I don't know shit about philosophie but it seems like they don't really fit that label. they seem very motivated and say that they love each other and they create some kind of facist movement that seemed to garner alot of followers

>>220059421
>Yeah, so they would welcome it
They wouldn't, welcoming something isn't being indifferent to it

>>220059421
if nothing has value then there's no value in dying

Nihilists and Misanthropes should not have voting rights.

If you don't love other people, you shouldn't have a say in what the collective society does. They will literally never be happy no matter what reality does to bend to their will

>>220059439
And neither living
>>220059436
Yes anon, not caring if you live or die is welcoming death

shilling friends got cancelled LMAO haha you clowns chads stay winning!!

>>220059355
To disregard the concept of intrinsic value does not in any way inhibit personal systems of valuation. Your understanding of the concept is reductive, presumably because you're a retard. Hence why you need someone or something else to tell you what matters.

A:
Desmond's Big Day Out, Enchanted Forest, The Alien, Squim Returns, Shmaloogles, The Magical Red Jewel

B:
A Silly Halloween Special, Who Violently Murdered Simon S. Salty?, Frowning Friends, Le Voyage Incroyable De Monsieur Grenouille, Charlie Dies and Doesn't Come Back

C:
The Smiling Friends Go to Brazil!, Mole Man, Gwimbly

D:
Brother's Egg, Curse of the Green Halloween Witch, Silly Samuel, A Allan Adventure, Shrimp's Odyssey, The Glep Ep

E:
Mr. Frog, Mr. President, Friend-Bot, Charlie's Uncle

F:
Pim Finally Turns Green, the Boss Finds Love?, Pim and Charlie Save Mother Nature

>>220059467
>To disregard the concept of intrinsic value does not in any way inhibit personal systems of valuation
Then I was right, Nihilism is fake

>>220059455
welcoming means they want it. that's not being indifferent to it

>>220053742
Holy shit you need to go back, you dumb fucking redditor. Never vote again, too.

>>220059482
Can you eat art? Why is it worth anything? Did divine mandate tell you it is? This really isn't difficult to grasp if you have an IQ consisting of three digits.

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BOooring
https://youtu.be/5Bl_L8GFnbM?si=2jyF6VGVBur2TFR7

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>>220059475
This is my list

>>220056381
>where do you retards come up with this shit?
It's called reasoning

>>220059494
>welcoming means
If you don't care about dying it means you welcome it anon
If you don't actively want to live then you welcome death, regardless of your thought process behind it

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>>220058165
>>220059184
>DESERT RELIGION BAD
>STREET-SHITTER COW-URINE-DRINKER RELIGION GOOD
>TRUST ME, I HAVE SYPPHILIS AND TALK TO HORSES, YOU FUCKING KIKESTIAN

>>220056695
But it's okay, anon, because it doesn't matter to them. Which is why they keep arguing it.

>>220059504
>Can you eat art?
yes
>>220059504
>Why is it worth anything?
because we give it valiue through appreciation
> This really isn't difficult to grasp if you have an IQ consisting of three digits.
Midwittery suits you well friend

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>>220059517
>its called reasoning
the logical sceptic everyone

>>220057224
All throughout his argument is:
>No, nothing matters
>But I'm allowed to assign things value and they matter to me
>but really though, nothing matters
>but it does to me and that's not hypocritical
He just wants to have his nihilism cake and eat it too.

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>what if we ignite/accelerate the death drive in people hoping that it'll steer them to my temporary meaningful yet ultimately arbitrary & nihilistic ideology...?
I guess most people would prefer be martyrs for something rather than martyrs for nothing / suicide

>>220058439
If there's no objective meaning then subjective meanings hold no value since there's no truth to align them to. You are a retard who is so insecure about the intelligence he is missing that he feels the need to act like an intellectual. Pseud.

>>220059559
"Skeptic" the British lost the entire world and their own island. Americans decide how to spell things now.

Stirner just wanted to ragebait Marx, all of this was never supposed to happen man

>>220059615
>If there's no objective meaning then subjective meanings hold no value since there's no truth to align them to.
Which proponents of nihilism wouldn't dispute. In fact, they'd agree that basic subjective values (life-upholding values) is a product of natural selection and that more psychologically individual values is a product of a complex relationship between biology, happenstances in the individual's life and culture. But they don't have to be inherently meaningful in the metaphysical sense to be meaningful to an individual or culture.

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>>220059674
>But they don't have to be inherently meaningful in the metaphysical sense to be meaningful to an individual
Why not?
What is the basis of their meaningfulness then?

At the end, this moral argument gets reduced to "what if I don't care that 2+2=4, what if I think 2+2=5 then, huh? Guess your whole objective argumentation fails!"
Which, as you understand, is not only retarded, but contraddictory, as trying to disprove any other position than nihilism implies you understand objective truth to be true, and objective falsehood to be false, and are thus arguing trying to prove your opponent is saying falsehoods
As such, you have already accepted the premise (objective truth is real and matters) for the destruction of your own idea.

>>220059674
I was going to basically say this,
>>220059714
That the weighing of two subjective standards as an act loses all meaning under a nihilistic framework, but the other anon got to it first. My bottom line is if options x,y, and z, all have equivalent subjective worth, with no objective truth to look to as a weight, then there is no objective reason to choose any over any other, so things like "someone should do x" fall apart. Under this framework, "someone should kill themselves" or "someone should live" are both equally valid depending on their subjective viewpoint. Therefore, if a nihilist has survival instinct and begs for his life, he's protected under this logic, but so too is everyone who says, "He should have been fully willing to die as a nihilist" because that's their subjective viewpoint.

>>220059714
>What is the basis of their meaningfulness then?
That people think them to be so. You do not think that it is impossible for people to have illusory perceptions or ideas, so why should the idea of ''objective meaning'' be exempt from this rule?

>At the end, this moral argument gets reduced to "what if I don't care that 2+2=4, what if I think 2+2=5 then, huh? Guess your whole objective argumentation fails!"
I'm not knowledgeable on the details of nihilism, but I think they mainly criticize the idea of ''meaning'' in the sense of objective value judgement (good/evil, right/wrong), not necessarily logical truth. Although some might call the foundations of mathematics ultimately subjective or arbitrary, that's not an inherently nihilist position afaik. Value judgment =/= logical truth for nihilists.

They're not extreme sceptics or agnostics, the claim in a lack of meaning being a metaphysical claim in itself. They say ''there is no objective reason to do one thing over the other, to live or die. The reason why we think such is a product of an ultimately meaningless universe birthing self-replicating lifeforms.''

>>220041355
>>nihilism means you can't have a survival instinct
Yes

>>220059789
>so too is everyone who says, "He should have been fully willing to die as a nihilist" because that's their subjective viewpoint.
This. Nihilism cannot claim protection from the implications of their own logic via subjectivity without extending that same immunity to their critics. At best, it is a zero sum game where everyone is wrong and everyone is right, and logic is fully destroyed.

>>220059798
Anon, we call objective meaning "truth" and it's the standard by which we judge whether people's ideas are illusory, which we call "being wrong". It is ontologically impossible for objective meaning and truth to be wrong.

>>220059798
>You do not think that it is impossible for people to have illusory perceptions or ideas, so why should the idea of ''objective meaning'' be exempt from this rule?
Because of ontology.

>>220059844
it's not that objective meaning is wrong, it's that it never existed to begin with
it's all in your head

>>220059798
>You do not think that it is impossible for people to have illusory perceptions or ideas
Of course, people can be wrong. That's the entire point of believing in objective values, that some people can and will be objectively wrong, and believe in illusions instead of truth.

>>220059844
There is a difference between ''objective meaning'' in the sense of something that is real that determines what you ''should'' do (such as good and evil) and ''truth'' in the sense of what is just a ''fact'' (2+2 = 4). Nihilists only accept the latter.

>>220059881
And to nihilists the basis of these values is not in anything ''objectively'' real other than the machinations of a universe without higher purpose.

>>220055608
>>things dont have intrinsic meaning, so you're not allowed to create personal meaning
That's existentialism not nihilism you fucking midwit.

>>220059891
>>220059907
>We can just pretend the machinations if the universe end with physical laws
Why? You're conscious, are you not?

>>220059891
>There is a difference between ''objective meaning'' in the sense of something that is real that determines what you ''should'' do (such as good and evil) and ''truth'' in the sense of what is just a ''fact'' (2+2 = 4). Nihilists only accept the latter.
Try long enough to explain that difference and you'll find there isn't one.

>>220059891
The laws of physics as structural truths of the universe are rooted in the universe existing in the first place. But why does the universe exist if it has no meaning? Nihilists have no answer for this, stopping at "it just does', and refusing to go further because any further consideration undermines the failure to belive in objective moral worth. But everyone else says it exists because it is better for it to exist than for it not to exist. In short, "It's is good"

>>220059891
>>220059907
Since nihilists don't want to be gunned down on the street, it is in their subjective interest to support laws to prevent as such.
Thus, as per their own ideology, they ought to shut the fuck up and concede the argument to those who believe in objective morals, and will thus create a legal system that protects them. It shouldn't matter to them that the objectivists are winning, as long as their subjective whim of not dying remains fulfilled.

As such, nihilism is an unarguable position, you literally cannot argue nihilism according to nihilism unless you are fine with getting shot in the head, as per the OP. And if you are, then you will just get shot and lose anyway. The nihilst has thus reached his final stage: he has to betray his own idea, and argue he is objectively correct in being objectively incorrect, even though it harms his interest which is staying alive, which is a further contraddiction of his already shaky position.

>>220052622
>4chan is much, much, better than Reddit
Get real. After 2016 most of 4chan IS reddit

>>220059541
>Hitting 3 of 4 points of the common kike slamder
NGMI

>>220059946
They would point at the hard relationship of consciousness to brain activity and claim that this problem is a lack of subtle insight into emergent properties of extremely complex neural systems, not an inability to accept spiritual reality.

>>220060015
>Thus, as per their own ideology, they ought to shut the fuck up
Per their own ideology, there is no ''ought''. But they would recognize, as you say, that many of them would subjectively value life enough to support a system that values life. And there is no objective, convincing argument against nihilism, like there is no real argument against faith in a greater, divine power.

>>220060014
They would most likely answer that we don't know (yet).

>>220060015
you're conflating objective value with subjective value
not wanting to die doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to go through the effort to not die
effort doesn't require objective meaning, it's all a matter of desire and preference

>>220041355
No nihilism just means you're a retarded pussy, it depicted you pretty accurately.
Also, given you've been seething about it for years, I'd say it touches a nerve.

>>220060083
>And there is no objective, convincing argument against nihilism
There is, it's simply that as you said, they reject ought, they reject 2+2=4, and as such, they reject the objective arguments against nihilism
>I don't believe in truth, so there is no true argument that refutes me
Yes, there cannot be, you rejected the possibility in your premise. If your premise is "Wrong doesn't exist therefore I cannot be wrong", then you will always be convinced of the wrong things.

>>220060083
Saying "we don't know yet" while still sticking hard and fast to denial of objective truth and meaning is, in poker terms, a massive bluff.

>>220060067
you do know Nietzsche considered jews an exceptional race and placed them higher than pagans and atheists, right?

>>220045908
yikes. Why are leftists like this

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You are arguing about nihilism and stating no proof can be produced against it
This indicates two things
>You consider logical arguing a good way to derive moral statements
>You consider proof a good way to derive moral statements
As such, you already conceded that trough logical argument we can approximate logical moral statements. As such, you reject your own nihilistic premise: there is indeed an objective moral truth, and it is our duty, as we are arguing, to try to reach ot or approximate it as much as possible using logic.

>>220045064
Why do redditors that come here still try to think they're separate from the people that come here?

>>220056483
Okay but the kids are saying goyslop.

>>220060157
Sub 90 IQ, animalistic obsession with sex, superiority complex reinforced by graduating college (showing up). Real leftist hours.

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>>220060036
>>220045990

>>220060279
Thinking about trannies are we?

>>220060292
>Sees trannies getting laughed at
>Immediately spergs to the rescue
Just sad

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>>220060292
>Thinking about trannies are we?

>>220060328
>>220060318
>instant seethe

Just stop thinking about troons anons. It's very easy isn't it?

>>220060339
We're going to think of them as the mentally ill hypersexualized perverted men they are, and that makes your tranself mald

>>220060372
>We're going to think of them
I know you will lol

>>220045908
He’s way less miserable because he’s fucking dead you idiot

>>220060172
bit of a leap of logic there
logic only shows what follows from premises, it doesn't create truth. same with moral arguments, they don't prove objective morality only subjective preferences

>>220060450
>it doesn't create truth
Of course it doesn't create it, it discovers it. Truth is there before human discovery of it.
Since you expect proof and logic to be used against nihilism, and you consider failure to prove contraddiction as a victory for nihilism, you accept my premise: logic arguments can be used to discover moral truths.
It's also why you are arguing with me: to prove your moral arguments are more consistent than mine, and thus closer to the objective moral truth.

>>220060385
Yes, as the mentally ill child predators youbare

>>220060485
1
logic only shows what follows from premises, it doesn't show that they correspond with an objective moral fact
2
you're assuming that objective moral truths exist and are accessible via reasoning, and then interpreting the use of reasoning as evidence for moral realism. That presupposes the very thing under dispute.
3
disagreeing or arguing doesn't imply we're accessing some realm of moral objectivity, it just shows that we have different starting values and that we are reasoning consistently from them

>>220060146
Nietzsche had 80% antisemitic and 20% prosemitic views. You really can't box him into a simple box. You retard

>>220060858
>logic only shows what follows from premises
Wrong, logic can build the premise
>you're assuming that objective moral truths exist
So are you, which is why you are trying to disprove my arguments with logic
> and that we are reasoning consistently
Yes, which implies we both understand there is such a thing as consistent (correct) and inconsistent (incorrect), and as such some values are correct, and others incorrect

>>220044753
Now this is irony

>>220058566
>Do you believe people incapable of sincere moral fanaticism?
No, but these people certainly are

>>220062444
Who, the posters in this thread?

>>220062477
The chuds

>>220041355
Why would nihilists not be afraid to die? If anything they should be more scared of dying since they usually wouldnt expect an afterlife

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>>220041355
I loved the Egoistic Nihilism VS Cosmic Nihilism VS Existential Nihilism "battle" contrasted between these 3 in EW.
Rare to show an optimistic nihilistic person.

Spoiler: Nihilism won.

>>220061612
>logic can build the premise
logic can organize and derive consequences from premises, and these premises are created from our commitments and assumptions
>so are you
no, the use of logic doesn't assume objective moral truth. it only assumes a structural norm; that conclusions should follow from premises. i'm not claiming a moral fact just a consistency in reasoning
>yes
you're equating logical consistency with moral correctness, but consistency only means there're no contradictions within a system of statements, but that isn't evidence of some objective moral truth

nothing in your argument gets us from “we can reason about values consistently” to “therefore some values are objectively correct and others incorrect”
your conclusion is an assumption without proof

>>220062792
>and assumptions
Logically derived assumptions
>that conclusions should follow from premises
Why anon? They should logically follow to be....? What are you not saying out loud here?

The conclusions must follow the premises to be consistent and correct. Should a conclusion defy the premise, either the conclusion or the premise are faulty, and thus the premise needs to be rechecked for there is an objective mistake in it.

>>220062906
>Logically derived assumptions
Even so they are still assumptions, not objective moral truths
>They should logically follow to be
because that’s what “valid reasoning” means. It’s a structural rule of inference, not a moral claim
>Otherwise there is an objective mistake
it means the argument doesn’t fit its own assumptions, not that reality has revealed some moral 'error'

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>>220041355
Best depiction of a nihilist on tv.
>gets drunk and jerks off all day
>no moral compass
>finds exercise pointless because you'll die one day anyway
>looks death in the face and says "your mother"

>>220064200
tonight... you

>>220041355
the person carrying a gun is brown-coded

>>220061455
suuure. he was also 80% pro-jeet but I don't see you criticize this, nigger. No wonder nihilists kill themselves.

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>I'm a nihilist and nothing matters but don't EVER say the N word or say trans rights aren't valid

>>220045134
This guy’s probably a faggot but he isn’t wrong. Most of the tradfag religious shit on here is a LARP.

>>220068227
People like pretending to be moral while making their enemies suffer. It's not a right/left thing, it's just that the pendulum has been going the other way for a while now and catholic larp is in while LIVE LAUGH LOVE KILL ALL FASCISTS DOX THEIR FAMILIES BURN THEIR CHURCHES MOLEST THEIR KIDS KILL THEM WITH LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! is out.