Why didnt it get more attention and respect?
>>220075674where to start? >First season was a completely original new thing that had nothing to do with the comic>Cassidy was the only good casting choice>merged 2 characters into one and made her a super girl boss who did everything better than the main other two>never had a road trip moment where they were all friends, every part of every season was seperating them>reworked plot points to just be "Hitler is actually Donald Trump and makes a MAGA army">Couldnt figure out how to deal with Jesse and THE VOICE so they just got rid of it for 3 seasons >last season was a big fuck you and rewrote the ending there were some good parts but overall it was just doing a bad job at retelling parts of the comic. the last season was rushed as hard as it could and Season 2 clearly had no budget. also its another thing Seth Rogan fucked
>>220075824Do you think it would have been better off on HBO etc.... so they werent restricted with content and storylines?
>>220075842thats a good question, i forgot they got limited on AMC and im actually surprised they got away with half of what they did. but during that time i dont know if it wouldve done any better, i think people were just hunting for properties and this seemed like a knock out before they realized how hard it would be to actually adapt
>>220075889Yea they did get away with a lot while being on AMC.
>>220075674Missed the apex of the fedora audience train
>>220076156I thought it was big during that era?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QBRgyitFs
>>220075674>from the guys who brought you Sausage Party and This is the EndHmm... maybe because of that?
It's one of those adaptations that will be okay for newcomers, but endlessly frustrating to people who know the source material. And as mentioned above by another anon, the Seth Rogen influence is plain to see. The show is full of Rogenisms.
>>220075674Because they fundamentally changed everything about the comics and the show was utter ass aside from Gilgun as the vampire.
The german guy scene was funny and cool. Never saw the rest. Its on the list.
>>220076236What did they change that made you hate it so much?
>>220076278Everything. What part of fundamentally did you not understand? If you want a fucking itemized list go look at the first reply, you muppet. I don't hate it, it just sucked. Shitty adaptations are so fucking tiring. If you make changes it isn't an adaptation, if you NEED to make changes then just do something original and don't do a fucking adaptation.
>>220076225Imagine being proud of those "accomplishments". Imagine using them on the poster for your new project.
>>220076353The show was entertaining and many others thought the same, what did you not enjoy?
>>220075824The first season just covered an arc that was way far into the comic. It was the Meat Man arc right? They just took the Meat Man arc and instead of being the cop he was just the preacher and it was his hometown. I guess they were pretty different now that I'm writing it out, but when I saw it I thought it adapted a lot of parts of that arc well
It was mildly interesting at the start, but it suffers from the same problem The Boys have (both produced by Seth Rogen btw) and that is ... after the initial hook the characters almost instantly get flanderized to the point just stupid arbitrary shit keeps happening with no rhyme or reason.It follows the exact same template as The Boys. Whether it's "accurate" to the comic book is beside the point altogether. It just becomes this nosensical zany show where characters are bumbling around and goofing off for shock value. There's no tension, no dramatic impact to anything going on, it's as if it's just going through motions.
There were some good parts. Fun fight choreography. Saint of Killers was cool. The parts in Hell were okay for the budget besides the voice modulation shit. Also, Herr Starr was endlessly entertaining.
>>220075674Preacher is an 8/10 comic. Preacher the TV show is a microwave reheat with Seth Rogen sauce. I liked the Saint and how he was portrayed, all things considered.
>>220076816the comic definitely felt more inspired. I think his MOST inspired work desu. Like it wasn't only edgy for edgy's sake like everything he has written since seems to be. Preacher is Ennis's magnum opus imo. The show wasn't the worst ever but your critiques are similar to mine; lots of arbitrary / contrived interactions for the sake of getting to the next gag / shocking visual, a lot less subtextual messaging, etc. It could have been great. I actually really liked Ruth Negga in that show, I would like to see her in more things.
>>220075674/tv/ is mad because it has a woman as the lead
>>220076916It was the comic that got me into the medium so I probably over rate it but I would give it better than an 8. I just thought it was crazy an Irish fella could write nigger in his funny books. The 90s were so cool.
>>220077018Is it worth a read now? Do they have like just a novel I can read all of it in one place
>>220077169You can read all this shit for free on readcomiconline.li
>>220077225Will do thanks
>>220077169They did 2 massive omnibuses to collect the whole series for its 25th anniversary in 2020, that's one route. I would just pirate it though through getcomics dot org, just download the most recent digital upload. I don't know if other people think it holds up but I love it. It was ahead of its time in the 90s but now a lot of people probably think its too le edge. Just read the first volume and see if you like it.
>>220077311Thanks for the info anon
>>220076816Hitman is the only comic that could be adapted without having to water down for modern audiences. Tommy is pretty close to being an actual hero. They would just have to move up the timeline. (Sean is a Vietnam veteran, Tommy is in operation Iraqi Freedom.)
>>220077928Can we get another spawn movie first?
>>220077962Only if you're able to build a time machine. No one cares about Spawn anymore.
>>220078247We do we all do
The villain was based
>>220077962Just watch the HBO animated series.
>>220078807I did I need more spawn
>>220077928pffffffff
>>220078871I like that art style
>>220076906>His head looks like a penisAt least they got that correct.
>>220079312He was the best part of the show by far
>>220075674I don't watch shows with race swaps. Ever.
>>220080126the fuck are you talking about?
>>220080148He means Ruth Negga.
>>220078871>kill infinite Japanese and millions of Americans>drop a few bombsWasn’t a hard decision at all. Should have dropped it right on the emperor’s palace though. The entire Japanese government should have burned for what they ordered during WW2, Hirohito included.
>>220078247I still care. A proper good Spawn movie would be the tits.
>>220080164she is hot
>>220080164She has an annoying voice in the show but was hot
>>220075674Casting a Negga
>>220075674Comic>Violent road trip across American set before 2000Show>Set in modern times with the plot and characters completely changed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RJFCOK8HwoHerr starr steals the show every time he is on screen.
>>220075674I'm not a comicfag so I don't know the source material but Preacher was fucking kino. Seems the only people in here with criticisms are comicfags and isn't that how it usually goes for any adaptation?
>>220075824>last season was a big fuck you and rewrote the endingNot like the original ending was any better, the comic really loses it's shine when they insisted in making Cassidy a crackhead and Tulip a whore for no reason other than drama.
>>220081986They should have done a mini series on him
>>220076353It's hard to take your opinions seriously when you're foaming at the mouth over his simple question.
>>220077962>>220080230McFarlane has been trying to get another movie made for years but honestly that script he was working on with Blumhouse sounds like complete ass.
>>220083306so back to square one again? lmao
>>220082445I think it's possible to strike a balance that will please both sourcefags and screenfags. But Preacher didn't even try.
I watch the TV show and liked it so much i decided to give the comics a try, so keep that in mind.Herr Star, the Saint of Killers, and Cassidy were brilliantly cast. They carry the show at some points. I like Ruth Negga, but i can see why people who like the comics might not. Jesse in the show is just a different Jesse; i'd say for the better at some points, for worse later in the show. The intro is awesome, and i never skip it.Season one: it's a bit too slow for my taste, i feel if they trimmed two episodes from it and shortened/cut a storyline or two, would have been kino. Still, they do a great job on capturing that small town folks vibe, and i find it endearing.Season two: awesome start but they derailed it by trapping the trio in New Orleans the whole time. Feels like a waste, Eugene's sub plot is just boring. Saint and Starr make it watchable, but when they are not on the screen it's a dread.Season three: the show at it's best imo. Jesse's redneck family are all excellent, even if him being trapped at the plantation limits what can be done with the story. The downside is that Cassidy goes on his sidequest, so the trio is split, but he gets a fun arc. The Devil's design and make up are great, the season finale is peak.Season 4: a mess. They try to fit in pretty much everything they didn't include from the comics so far into it, and it starts to breakdown. They have no idea what to do with the characters, individualy or as a group, and they never figure it out by the end. It still has it's fun moments, not the worst thing on TV, but it feels unpolished, like they just wanted to get it over with.Overall, 7/10. I doubt that having it on HBO would make it better; it's problems are not due to nudity or foul language limitations, but more that the comic doesn't hit the same zeitgeist in the 2010s as it did in the late 90s.
No duke no watch
>>220083583What do you think they should have done for season 4 story wise?
>>220084164To be honest, no idea. The main problem stems from the fact they remixed and rearranged the comics, shuffling arcs around to form a season's worth of content, and by the 4th season you just start asking why they even bother including it (Jesús DeSade, for exemple). Maybe Seth Rogen is a hack, maybe the source material is dated, but it felt like a pointless task to make this comic into a show. There are moments that make it very enjoyable (angels fighting in season one made me cackle like a retard), but as a whole it doesn't work very well, and at times makes you think they got lucky with the things that were done really well (Cassidy, Saint, Starr, L'Angelle clan)
>>220075824>they gave Cassidiy the best intro on the plane>never done anything remotely that cool for 5 seasons
I could forgive all the changes they made to the comics out of pragmatism; I can never forgive toning down Jody and not making him the creepier version of Anton Chigurh he is in the comics because, unlike Chigurh, he has actual human emotions like friendship to TC
Is asshole face based?
>>220075824>Garth EnnisI can't believe this guy ever got to write more than a single comic. He's so fucking bad.
>>220075674It was awful
>>220075674It's not a bad show but the local Ennis fans are vocal about how it wasn't as edgy as the source material and every thread ends up being about them so it's hard to discuss the show.
>>220075824>>merged 2 characters into one and made her a super girl boss who did everything better than the main other twoTulip is like this in the comic. She doesn't upstage invincible Jesse but she's repeatedly overpowered herself.
>>220076906Pip!
>>220085447>he has actual human emotions like friendship to TCIt's never properly shown. He's not all that competent either save for the special where he's not even that much of an asshole. Ennis is just... not a very good writer.
>>220075674I only remember how hollywood tried to make this guy a big thing
>>220075674I'm suprised it didn't get called out for having slme pretty offensive things like the way they potray God and religious stuff and then having Hitler be sympathetic and escape hell forming a group of nazis again
>>220087076>It's never properly shown.Nah, it is. He is friendly to TC, he listens to him rambling about the next thing he penetrated when he could just tell him sternly to fuck off. He engages in conversation with him. Above all, at the end, when he is getting ready for the final confrontation with Jesse and insulting him and calling him a pussy, he gets disturbed when Jesse tells him he just blasted TC's brains out. He stops walking and talking for a second and looks genuinely sad, and Jesse uses it to get an edge on him I believe it was important to defeat him.
>>220075674Seth Rogan
>>220086659He’s a great talent
>>220086659If you hate the same things that Garth hates you're getting 100s of comics full of catharsis. But if you like the things he makes fun of or if you have a problem with edgy themes or his style of gratuitousness then you will never enjoy his works.
>>220075674I thought Ruth Nega was great in it, even if she looked nothing like Tulip. Shit like the bazooka she made out of milk cartons or whatever is what killed the show.
>>220075824>reworked plot points to just be "Hitler is actually Donald Trump and makes a MAGA army"Why are whatever dregs are left of the trumpanzees so hypersensitive and paranoid about TV shows even vaguely mentioning their daddy? This shit had absolutely fuckall to do with diaper don in any way.What a bunch of delicate, special snowflakes y'all turned out to be.
>>220080224Settle down, Chang, you're foaming at the mouth.
>>220084233Not the same universe, they're not even from the same publisher.
>>220086659I can't believe how that guy pisses off all the right kinds of people. A precision strike, that one.
>>220082445As a comicfag, the problem is that it could've been done better. It just being kino isn't enough, Preacher is one of my top 5 favourite comic runs. I had a similar thing with Sandman, which I thought was okay, but is one of the greatest comics of all time, as well as Lucifer, which I haven't seen but have heard is okay, but is the best long-form comic run in how it seems more like a long story rather than arcs.
>>220091193Nta and I'm not american but all this trump garbage is just not interesting, funny or clever. I'd also point out that the more you antagonize the manchild the worse his sperg outs will be.
>>220087167What went wrong?
>>220075824>Cassidy was the only good casting choiceHe really was fantastic as Cassidy, but he's also a pretty fine actor anyway. Watched him for years in Brassic and he's the best thing in it.
>>220091984>NtaOh, fuck you.
>>220076749jesse’s history of redneck abuse is pivotal to his character and this show couldn’t get a fucking thing right
>>220082821the reason is that jesse got hit by a fucking nuke and they thought he was dead so former junkie tulip resumes being a junkie because cass is a manipulative cunt and also a junkie
bump
>>220086659The Boys and Crossed are just him shitposting, he can actually write good stuff if he wants.
>>220093670This
>>220095322Such as?
>>220095838
>>220096232He seems to think pretty highly of himself
>>220075674Seth Rogan lives to destroy edgy kino comic books by turning them into Jewish dogshit.
>>220075674It was a show that actually examined and critiqued deeper ideas from religion, not just the silliness of the trappings of religion. >>220075824>>never had a road trip moment where they were all friends, every part of every season was seperating themThis is the main complaint. Could have used at least one whole season of things working out fine for the main characters, they're all getting along great, they're BTFO whatever minor antagonists get in their way, and they feel like they're doing well, but they're making no progress towards finding god or the grail or personal growth or anything else. The other stuff is more like pulling blunders while trying something, and that thing worked very well when it worked, but not having the 'road trip moment' was a major flaw.
could have:gone for the 1990's grungy nostalgia angle that seeped through the comicactually followed the story as it was presented by the comichired actors that resembled the cast of the comic, gotten a texan to play Jesse, and an irishman to play Cassidyalas they chose to be retarded. at least Ennis got paid.
>>220096926Show was a solid 7/10
>>220096926>It was a show that actually examined and critiqued deeper ideas from religion, not just the silliness of the trappings of religion.Strongly disagree with this. American authors (book, TV, movies, etc.) post 2000s can't make a coherent critique of religion because all they know is evangelical christianity, and often assume that other religions are just that with minor aesthetic and jargon differences.
>>220075674it was kind of neat at first but gets boring. dont know what else can be said
I think the weakest thing is Dominic Cooper. He looks the part, but he has only one mode of acting (in this role) and brings nothing to the show past that. Everyone else is acting circles around him continuously.
>>220097503I'd say more like 8/10, but not solid. It had stuff that was 10/10 and also plenty down at 3 or 4/10. >>220098240I think Preacher was mainly examining and criticizing gnostic and jewish ideas, and had some kind of comment on other religions, while also having some of the the typical critiques on Christianity. It's not hugely uncommon to see gnostic ideas getting a fair shake in fiction, but it's rare to see something go deeper into judaism in the same way. I'd compare it to Supernatural that touches on the same things but it only ever digs deep into the Christian or gnostic stuff.
season 2 or whichever was the one they spent in louisinna was so garbage
>>220098633Yea way too much filler that season
>>220098240>American authorsWhoo boy
>>220098658I quite on the first season because I thought it was too slow and filler-filled. Been a long time since I read the comic, but as I recall the group left Anville at the end of first or second issue. The TV show seemed like it was going to spend its entire first season in Annville. Fuck that.
>>220075674because using "Powerful AF" as your tagline is a huge red flag
Thank you Seth.
>>220075674Source material is too bad
>>220099108Wrong.
>>220091624NTASandman, Lucifer, Preacher, hey, even Transmetropolitan, Watchmen, Hellblazer, they're all worth a read.Well, even Deadpool has some good shit.Preacher, the series, Gilgun, the Cassady actor, just rocks it, he does that in everything I've seen him.
>>220099410It's all the same kind of normie edgy drivel that had its day in the sun but is now megacringe.Works like that are building blocks of what would later on evolve into the reddit "culture".
>>220075674>WHO BROUGHTYOU SAUSAGE PARTY AND THIS IS THE END>POWERFUL AFall strike 3’s.
>>220099493Shots fired
>>220099410Transmetropolitan got off to a good start and I was intrigued by the possibilities of the setting, but it quickly developed political tunnel-vision and became a callow propaganda piece. The Beast (a caricature of Republican politicians) was its sole focus for far too long, and I just lost interest. If you want Hunter S. Thompson ranting about politics, you'll be better served by the real Hunter S. Thompson's books.Lucifer (the comic) is very good, and I second that recommendation.
>>220076416>and many others thought the sameobviously they didnt lol.
>>220100534It ran its full course didnt get cancelled etc
>>220075824mate I'm super depressed and think this show is in my top five favorites of all time; I don't think I can handle you're telling me. >seth rogan fucked it upI hate that man so much
>>220097503It was at best a 4/10.You just have low standards.
>>220102701List some high standard shows for us
>>220099493I agree with you that it was schoolboy cringe but I don't get how you figure it into reddit culture. If anything it's more like cringe edgy 4channers
>>220100534Obviously it did
>>220103462It's GenX/Millennial "safe edgy" where the whole point is to irritate soccer moms and sunday school types.There's nothing truly transgressive there or even "challenging", just a commercialized way to sell rebellion. I'm not even exaggerating but I feel every person above a certain age and number of reddit posts has a transmetropolitan on their shelf. It's almost mandatory.
