>Book was anti-communism>Make a pro-communism movie out of itWhat were they thinking?
I’ve heard of this movie for nearly 6 years when is the fucking out is it coming already
The same crowd that claim Orwell was a socialist and 1984 is a pro socialism book made this shit.Absolutely hilarious how far people can misunderstand a guy who made the same point multiple times different ways. Hang cultists and their enablers.
>What were they thinking?Something in Latin, backwards.
Whaaaaaat? A PG-rated animal farm starring Seth Rogen as a wise-cracking pothead Napoleon betrayed the source material?? Who woulda thunk?
DUDE POLITICS LMAO
>>220172119Weren't Orwell, Hemingway, and a bunch of other prolific writers once socialists before the Spanish Civil War collectively showed them how big a shitshow real socialism is in practice
>>220172029>still endorses commodity production and nonworker ownershipIt's pro capitalism
>>220172029Even the marketing team indirectly admit the movie sucks
>>220172150Pretty muchOrwell travelled to Spain to help the Left in the civil war, then he arrived and saw them torturing nuns to death and parading corpses around the streets
>>220172150Orwell learned that while you might have an ideal that sounds good on paper, in practice it is humans who put it to work in the real world and you never want to give humans absolute control. This is what people miss in his works.You're correct though a bunch of these guys had their worldviews challenged in real time and realized wow holy shit humans fucking suck and we really gotta hang these traitors and their enablers.I just find it funny because Orwell legit wrote two different books about how authoritarians of any kind are cancer from two different angles and people still act like he's this socialist wunderkid.
>>220172150Yeah, but they still had basically the same social and economic positions afterwards as they did before. Some just didn't like Stalinism.
>>220172216He literally fought for them through the war because everything the francists accused the communists of doing they were doing more of
>>220172252Yes, he fought for the Republican side, saw they were monsters, then left
HG Welles>CS Lewis>Orwell
>>220172252>The film adds an entirely new third act: Lucky has a change of heart and apologizes, the animals take down Napoleon and the evil capitalistic Pilkington. Lucky tells the cautionary tale for a new generation.Andy Serkis, you bitch
>>220172248There is a difference between having ideas on policy and believing in giving power to retards. Utopian views are great on paper we're just a long way off from that in practice. Which is why I find it funny how misunderstood specifically 1984 is.The book basically is written for young adults to understand easily the nightmare world order forming around them. Animal Farm is junk in comparison.
>>220172150Meanwhile, Tolkien was openly supporting Franco
>>220172119>he thinks they just "misunderstood" Orwell
>>220172188>world news groupreally had to scrape the bottom of the barrel for this one huh
>>220172327Oh there are many who do it purposefully, quite a few have just never read 1984 and aren't capable of understanding it even if they did.Doublethink is such a fucking powerful concept to understand early on in life that it really should almost be taught as its own mini "class" in school. Hell, it is why understanding pro wrestling helps a lot with politics and history weirdly enough. Learning what is a work (fake scripted story) vs a shoot (real action despite being in the ring) and a worked shoot helps cut through a lot of the BS people are bombarded with daily.
>>220172270I'm sure it had nothing at all to do with being shot in the throat.
>>220172188That's honestly pretty funny.
>>220172276Welles is endearing because he accidentally wrote a story about a fascist power fantasy when trying to figure out a way to make humanity collectively interested in science and space travel.Like that time Walt Disney intended to make EPCOT a company town without realizing he was making a company town.
>>220172270>complained about how one time they accused a brown dude of being a thief and strip searched him and rebukes the propaganda of mass anti-catholic tyranny as propagandahttps://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/looking-back-on-the-spanish-war/
>>220172318source?
and always remember, /tv/bros, it's not a proper thread unless you make giant screeching faggots of yourselvesohwait
>>220172380EPCOT fucking ruled and it is pathetic what it turned into.
>>220172393https://www.josemanuelferrandez.com/vieja/ENguerra.html
>>220172150If there's anywhere you can count on a reliable answer to that question it's on this board from a slurry of prick-eating mongoloids who've never cracked Homage to Catalonia.
>>220172400>>220172420damn you are weirdly mad about this thread
It's "HG *Wells*", you semi-literate Joey cunts.
>>220172445I prefer my HG rare
>>220172188I mean that's kind of funny in a weird meta way like the 4th Matrix, but why the fuck would you do any of that? How much money is this shit going to lose? What's the aim here? At least with Resurrections there's a rationale behind whichever Wachowski was involved making that 1st act shitpost. Is this more of the same? The production sending this shitshow into the rocks in purpose because some out of touch higherup demands retarded bullshit?
>>220172150They are typical anarkiddies. Idealistic utopians who seethe at MLs for actually trying to run a functional society instead of a drug fuelled polycule commune.Like typical anarkiddies they sellout because MLs don't let them sit in a squat and do heroin.
>>220172029Screenwriter Nicholas Stoller. The “early life” rarely fails:His mother, Phyllis, is a travel tour operator, and his father, Eric C. Stoller, is a bank executive.[3] Stoller was raised Jewish.
>>220172380I think even CS Lewis' Space Trilogy is a far better examination of how one becomes evil/fascistic and can justify atrocity and the dehumanization of men and genocides far better than Orwell was able to doAnd Orwell's permanent authoritarianism of 1984 is particularly egregious because it is completely without material basis"Imagine a boot stepping on a face for ever bro" is retarded because eventually that face gets to the point where it will destroy everything to get that boot off
>>220172535>And Orwell's permanent authoritarianism of 1984 is particularly egregious because it is completely without material basis>"Imagine a boot stepping on a face for ever bro" is retarded because eventually that face gets to the point where it will destroy everything to get that boot offThat was exactly the point he was making.It wasn't "egregious" at all.
>>220172029Who owns Hollywood!
>>220172514
>>220172029I'm most confused on why it's being made by an independent Mormon studio
>>220172316Ocenia in 1984 is a totalitarian dictatorship without a purpose, it's purely malicious and anti-human, much like the EU/the Democratic Party. On the other hand The Third Reich/Fascist Italy were all at least internally coherent and benevolent, and all believed in a higher purpose in the form of national destiny/living space, so they were ultimately pro-human. 1984 is not about "authoritarianism" and it's DEFINITELY not about "utopias".
>>220172553It is egregious because that's his nightmare but his nightmare can't exist in realityIt's antimaterialist dribble about "authority" when all forms of historical advancement have been made through acts of violence and the authority of one group exerted and restructuredYou can't torture people forever because eventually they have nothing to lose
>>220172535Looks interesting.That's the third book in a trilogy, right? >Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous StrengthI'll check it out.
>>220172029Book wasn't anti communism lol, I'm the end the argument was the USSR was Capitalist. The workers looked at the Stalinists and the Capitalists and couldn't tell the difference.
>>220172582>1984 is not about "authoritarianism"kek>>220172585>You can't torture people forever because eventually they have nothing to lose...exactly?
>>220172582>it's purely malicious and anti-human, much like the EU/the Democratic Party. On the other hand The Third Reich/Fascist Italy were all at least internally coherent and benevolentkeep that tongue brown anon
When you grow up, you realize politics really aren't that complicated after allIt really just boils down to good people vs. bad people
>>220172625And if you really are paying attention you realize the "bad people" are basically everyone in power at the national government level in every nation on earth and they all need to hang alongside their enablers. Which makes politics WAY easier.
>>220172613Your world is limited to the volume of your stomach
>>220172593The second book is by far my favorite out of the three but the third book deals extremely with the thought process manipulation/degradation that leads to someone being able to do crazy evil and wholly believe in itSilent Planet is more standard but I like Lewis' reiterated mechanism of "character encounters a thing the first time and can't accurately describe it then revisits it and can examine it more thoroughly without fear bias">>220172606Did you not read the book? It ends hopelessly with no end to the Big Brother State even posited, it implies that even the very concept of opposition has been controlled and subverted where the only true believers become incapable of ever accomplishing anything
>>220172668Did you? Is everything with you just the most surface level cliff notes version of whatever is going on in front of you? It is a book for fucking middle school/high schoolers for fucks sake.
>>220172692I think you watched the new movie
>>220172709>the new movieI'm so glad I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyhow the whole point was as bleak and nightmarish as it was their efforts were futile in case you just completely ignored the whole fuckin book.
>>220172135And that makes it okay? No no guys, who cares? It's just a Jew doing Jew things why are you so annoyed? Just shut up and don't talk about it haha. You Nazis are sooooo crazy.
>>22017273>Anyhow the whole point was as bleak and nightmarish as it was their efforts were futileYesThe resistorsUnironically are you an ESL>He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
>>220172821Yeah you're just trolling at this point. The struggle for that character is done but humans won't just stop fighting. >y-you're ESLalright bro have a good one, you get to keep the jam btw.
>>220172821Meant for >>220172738
>>220172848It is implied that every character in the story who rebelled has folded or is doomed to foldIt's a cautionary tale against the very existence OF authoritarianism not a rebuttal to it that's why it's so dumb and worthless as a piece of theory-fictionIt's a worst case scenario vision of a future with no examination of how we got there or an idea of an after, a state of perpetual unending suffering because Orwell was so terrified of the british spying/nannystate system and Stalin's exacerbation of the conceptsLargely this is because after the Republicans lost he came to the conclusion that the only positive outcome for mankind was incremental regulations and reforms and that even the idea of revolution would itself be co-opted by authoritarians to create this hell system
>>220172119George Orwell claims George Orwell is an Democratic English Socialist.e.g., "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it"
>>220172119>>220173599He was a socialist, he just disliked communism because he saw what happened both in the USSR (communists massacring everyone they felt like) and Spain (communists massacring the anarchists and socialists). Animal Farm is about the problems of bolshevism and communism as Orwell saw them, told through an allegory. He never stopped being a socialist.
>>220172535>evil = fascism Me when I kill the sailors in the Kronstadt because the revolution justifies all evils. Up next, the farmers doing well, after them the NEP men who made money, after that whoever the system can grab because the system would be working if it wasn't for all these parasites.
>>220172495I dont know but this movie feels like a tax write off. They knew people will hate it from the beginning, and now they are having a good time pulling our chains.
Communists doing subversion you say?
>>220173599>>220173676He was a socialist IN IDEALS. Just like I'm an ecofascist in ideals but I'm not out there butchering people in the street yet.He understood no matter the label you have to watch out for evil faggots because they exist regardless of what you call a political power structure because humans are not perfect. He saw it first hand like so many other authors who had great IDEALS but realized in practice that isn't how things work out.
The kind of people who make shit like this are literally the pigs from the bookThe same fags who tell you to stop using plastic straws to save the planet but then fly everywhere in a private jet
Reminder china has an alt ending to Fight Club lol
>>220174406Orwell went to Spain to kill people for the anarchists.
>>220172029DUDE THINGS CHANGE LMAO
>>220174505and then after wrote another book because of what he saw
>>220173676Socialism is just bolshevism though. there's no real difference. The same goes for american "liberalism" too.
>kids don't know who napoleon is, lets call him donald trump instead
>>220173599Orwell would have been completely disgusted by the democratic party, english politics, which is nothing but bolshevism, except restore, and all your bernie/hasan subhumans.
>>220174421>the film, featuring seth rogenwow. /tv/'s favorite jew too.
>>220172514yeah but he did The 2011 Muppet movie and that was kinoPlus if you can't tell someone is a jew solely by last name and by look you're a failure at life.
>>220172582this.
>>220174541>Socialism is just bolshevism thoughthat's what Bolsheviks and marxists say to try and claim all left wing radical thought is as extreme as bolshevism. But ideologically socialism is generally softer and less radical than bolshevism. They don't believe in banning all private property for example while bolshevism/communism does.
>>220172150Bingo
>>220172353It's an intentional misquote.
>actually Franco was the good guy because he mass-murdered people, carpet-bombed cities and brought hordes of Moroccans to rape women>the Republicans were fucking evil because a few priests and nuns got shot, I dunno I'm just a virgin chud
>>220172188>gives a big middle finger to fans of the source material>seth rogen>pro-communismI'm guessing that this movie will be shilled here as much as that recent antifa movie.
>>220174852Even the Soviets viewed the Republicans as a bunch of thugs after getting to work with them; most of the executions were conducted by the USSR, not the Francoists.
>>220174852>>the Republicans were fucking evil because a few priests and nuns got shot>a fewdo you commies just masturbate to your lies, tranny? is that what you're doing now?
>>220174908Nah, Francoists murdered more. Republicans were retarded for trusting Russian Soviets tho.>>220174935Nigger lover, go suck more Moroccan cock.
>>220174852sounds like both sides were shit desu
>>220174618Socialism always leads to progressively severe authoritarianism, repression and dysfunction. even places like sweden, which you "dem socialists" hold up as evidence of moderacy, are falling apart due to leftist lunacy.
>>220172119Orwell was a socialist, he outright left his cushy life to go fight in the spanish civil war for the socialists which is where he saw the actual commie behavior in full force as it actively tried to kill him and made political backstabbing an everyday occurrence. I think he still believed social democracy was overall the best but fully understood how easily such a movement was subverted by the power hungryOf the rebels of vichy france the royalists and republicans were able to put aside their politics until post war, the communists stopped fighting early just so they could prepare for a revolution after the war.
>>220174852lol, pleb doesn't know that "republicans" turn on each other in the end
>>220174852>mass-murdered peoplethe anarchists and communists mass murdered people first, and before the war even started>carpet-bombed cities literally never happened, Guernica was a fortified city with military targets for example. They didn't have the fire power to do anything but use small tactical bombing. There were about 125 deaths. Compare that to stay the bombing of Tokyo which caused 100,000 deaths. >brought hordes of Moroccans to rape womenAnarchists were already raping women
>>220174852Imagine being so sick in the head that you carry water for the side that tortured 10k priests and nuns to death and bragged about their atrocities, posing with dead nuns for photos.
>>220172380>>220172411I'm surprised they haven't made it into a movie yet
>>220174945you're a brown commie.
>>220172585>You can't torture people forever because eventually they have nothing to loseSure, but you can torture them enough for long enough that it fucking sucks for generations. Part of >we've always been at war with East Asiais that the governments themselves switch constantly too, and the proles probably do eventually rise up, but it still takes decades before a truly human government steps up
>another seth rogen specialWill /tv/ shill like crazy for this one too?
The other Republicans could fertilize the fields for all I care, but it was so close to working damn it. We could have had something good, yet Unc Joe said no.
>>220174852>carpet-bombed citiesThe amount of seethe over Guernica always makes me lol considering what came a few years later. US and British bombers killed more french citizens than Germans killed British in the blitz. You just do what you gotta do.
>>220174946That's Spain for you.
>>220174946Yeah, but the Republicans were worse. Literally going after innocent priests and nuns before the war started, and not just killing them, but torturing. Orwell was a fag fighting for the Republicans and only helped to extend the suffering.
>>220172119Bro, the same people are the ones who, just recently, insisted that the assassin of Charlie Kirk, who ALSO turned out to be a radicalized Redditor and diaper-furry with a literal tranny """girlfriend""", was it dyed-in-the-wool Republican and Trump-voter.Do not downplay, and certainly do not underestimate, their willingness to make claims that fly in the face of obvious reality simply because obvious reality happens to not agree with the narrative that they would PREFER. Not only do they not care or have any qualms about lying; they don't care if people KNOW that they're lying. If they succeed in deceiving somebody or successfully gaslighting them into believing something that's false is true or vice versa; great, that's a "victory" to them. If they DON'T succeed and instead merely achieve muddying the waters of social-discourse while simultaneously making neutral/undecided people confused about the issue and their opposition angry & frustrated; then also great, because that's a "victory" to them too.Leftists place zero actual inherent value on honesty or even factual accuracy. It's a non-factor in anything compared to they're real metric of value: "How useful is it for achieving our goals?".
So let me guess:Another one of the changes is that Napoleon and the other pigs are meant to represent "greedy Western capitalist (White) men"?
>>220174945>Complaining about the Moroccans when the fags holding the Republicans' ideals today just gave the greenlight to make thousands of them Spanish citizens. They were always a bunch of self-defeating tools that could be fooled into working against their self interest by painting your skin black.
>>220175274>was it dyed-in-the-wool Republican and Trump-voter.do you have proof of this?
>>220172029book was anti-stalin/ussrorwell was a socialist with strong anarchist affinity
>>220172029Subversion is their goal. They take a sick amount of pleasure in it. They love defacing works.
>>220175361>loses the capacity to understand the point of a sentence if it has even a single nested clauseYou all out yourselves at the first opportunity don't you?
>>220175478you made a claim now it's your time to prove it
>>220175523I didn't make any claim, other than that you seem to struggle to parse that anon's fairly standard english statement.
>>220175478Don't listen to that conspiracy nut, those fools still get tripped up by stupid shit like facts. They miss the trees for the forest.
Americans don't understand socialism or communism. It's like talking to a wall, trying to get them to understand even the most basic views about ownership and statehood. Hurrdurrrr communism is when government biiiiiiig. Capitalism is when freeedomss. Don't even get me started on """"""""""anarcho""""""""""-capitalists.Fucking imbeciles, the lot of you.
>>220173702Me when I kill 30 million people so that the coal and steel barons don't have to pay their workers
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>>220172029>Op is a faggot>makes a shit thread Many such cases
The thing that bothers me is the critics (woke) hate it, makes me think that it might actually be good? Has Drinker weighed in yet?
wake up babe, new reason to hate my government just dropped
>>220172029>shit adaptation of a shit propaganda book for kidswhy are we supposed to care
>>220172029Kids don't wanna see this shit. It looks ugly.
>>220175640Clearly no one else does since you bootlickers keep saying its "not real socialism"
>>220176190Why the fuck are Angel making this progressiveslop?
>>220176190Leaf involvement, of course...
>>220176377Communists pushing propaganda shouldn't be a suprise, but how easy neoliberals in America make it for them needs to be called out more
>>220172029I dont get this whole thing about this movie production>Christian production>hire seth rogen>make movie praising commiessomeone please explain what went behind this shitshow of production
>>220172029>What were they thinking?They were thinking "hmm, well, I'm a communist, so I'll just change it to be apologetic to my ideology".No big mystery really.
>>220172029Internalized marxism.
>>220176434They also know the left can't create anything new, so they had to latch on to something making fun of them
“LENIN WAS A GOOD BOY WHO DINDU NUFFIN IT WAS THAT EVIL ANTISEMITIC BASTID ST*LIN THAT RUINED EVERYTHING” - George “Rebbe” Orwell
>>220176476You seriously suck at this, brah.
>>220172119>retarded american cant distinguish between socialism and communismkek
>>220176405looking at wikipedia, looks like angel studio just picked up the movie for release after production., and after it had a premiere at a film festival last year. presumably, they got it for cheap.
>>220176373They only picked it up for distribution. The film was sitting on the shelf for a good year or two prior.
>>220176515or someone managed to hoodwink and sell this turd to the dumbest film studio around
>>220175926What the fuck are you talking about>>220176505Man you should really kill yourself huh
>>220176547that's exactly what "picked up for distribution" means
>>220176491The left can't meme
>>220172029>What were they thinking?It's made by jews.
>>220176484> ‘It would have been a pleasure to flatten the Jew’s nose, if only one could have afforded it.’>‘In a corner by himself a Jew, muzzle down in the plate, was guiltily wolfing bacon’.>‘a little Liverpool Jew of eighteen, a thorough guttersnipe. I do not know when I have seen anyone who disgusted me quite as much as this boy...a face that recalled some low-down carrion-eating bird’
>>220176635The whole story is about how classless and leaderless societies are impossible. It's entirely about the failure of communism. I don't see how you could make it anything else.
When Orwell published that novel in 1945 society's bad guy of that time was Communism, now if you make a movie about that people won't connect to it because now society in general see big corporations as the bad guys. So I think they changed it for that reason, so people nowadays can connect to it. But maybe they should have made a new story and not change Animal Farm. Anyway, I think most people that are going to watch the movie don't even know about Orwell's novel.
>>220172585What about north korea?
>>220176668Commies already know that, they know they'd need a state to enforce their laws and "redistribution" in the first place. Marx admits it but he doesn't call it a stateEven back then leftists claimed you are what you identity as, not what you are
>>220174852>My war crimes don't count!!!
>>220176720>big corporationsYou mean the things that push woke culture?
>>220176745>Even back then leftists claimed you are what you identity as, not what you areAny actual proof for that claim?
>>220176764
>>220176745it's "identify", you fucking retard
>>220176849
>>220176864What a load of shit. Worship of "intellectuals" has brought us to exactly where we are today. Every bad idea, feminism, trannyism, mass migration, was cooked up and justified by "intellectuals.""Anti intellectualism" as a criticism is really just the idea that you need to listen to credentials and experts and turn off your brain even if they are telling you up is down and men are women.
>>220176833Well outside of the actual roots of critical theory, as I said Marx described a state power being necessary reinforce his world view, but also claimed it wouldn't be a state. In essence, it's a state but it won't identify as one. >>220176849Yes it was a spelling error, bootlicking retard. And you forgot to use a capital letter, fix your own posts first.
>>220176476The book itself literally was written by a left-winger, retard. I am fucking Eastern European and I know that Orwell fought with Spanish anarchists against Franco's nationalists but we have here actual morons like you that don't know that. I bet you are from the USA.
>>220177009Yes he went to Spain and ended up hating communism you low IQ faggot. Animal Farm was writen based on his experiences with communismHe was also labelled a fascist by his "fellow leftists" so many times he famously noted that fascism doesn't have an actual definition
>>220177082Spanish anarchists were purged by Stalin's hardcore communists. When a left-wing anarchist hates authoritarian Stalinists, that doesn't turn him right-wing and does not mean he abandoned his left-wing anarchists ideas you double digit IQ animal. All retarded Americans can be easily spotted here because you have no clue about nuance at all
>>220172029Didn't Seth Rogenstein learn from that awful Santa Claus TV show or how that faggy pickle movie that people hate him now? Anything with him in it is automatically shit.
>>220172149Except nobody is laughing or has laughed at anything he has done in about 10 years, maybe more.
>>220172119Socialism (or social democracy or whatever you call it) is not the same thing as Soviet Communism to begin with.
>>220176864Isaac Asimov did more to stem the tide of progress than any “anti-intellectual” ever did
>>220172393>sOuRcEhttps://www.google.com/search?q=tolkien+supported+franco+spainLazy fucking nigger.And you >>220172412, stop enabling these people. He was not asking in good faith, it was to see if he could get you to look stupid.
>>220172605It was not capitalist. But it didn't have social equality and it was corrupt.
>>220172029>>Make a pro-communism movie out of it>What were they thinking?wtf, professional critics were right?!?!?
>>220172495They make their money from Vanguard and Black Rock investments. Selling the public a message and destroying a legacy is much more valuable to the you know whos. ESG/DEI compliance is where they get paid nowadays.
>>220174905>antifa movieThe wut now?
>>220176892that's what he's saying you fucking mongoloid retard. he was agreeing with you.
Socialism is bad because I dont want to pay for your healthcare, simple as that
>>220177460Asimov is saying that intellectuals are good and should be listened to. He says the idea that my ignorance is as good as the intellectual's intelligence is "false."It's right there in the quote.How do people become this stupid and then put it forward so shamelessly? It's incredible.
>>220177490What a stupid post. You're probably a falseflagging commie.Anyways the whole 'simple as' thing can probably die, it stopped being funny almost immediately and now is just a way of announcing that you're a boring retard.
>>220177511Imagine supporting a system where people are allowed to smoke cigarettes and at the same time you are supposed to pay taxes to fund cancer treatments to that very same people, is literal insanity
>>220177584I have no problem with that desu. You can develop cancer without smoking, so i would rather they were funding cancer cure research.
>>220174561Americans seldom understand that English socialism predates Marx and was why Marx moved to England.
>>220172119I'm so sick of retards conflating socialism and communsim.
>>220177386this isn't a discussion this is you making claims hoping no one has the smarts to ask where you got that idea fromif i claimed that trump was a convicted serial killer you wouldn't gobble it up without a thought
>>220177618this is like being proud of inventing sucking cock
>>220172150He fought for the socialists in the Spanish Civil War alongside the communists. The communists proceeded to turn on the Socialists. He rightfully never forgave them.Animal farm is a critique of communism as a whole, not just Stalinism. The horse dying because he did all the work but got the same food as all the other lazier, smaller animals shows that. His point authoritarinism is inevitable in communism because it robs everyone of power, except for those that abuse any they've been granted and rise to the top. Socialism on the other hand gives the power to workers and (in his view) prevents the issues communism has.
>>220177618Its amazing how low IQ leftists will say the most inane bullshit but declare "Americans don't know this".Most Americans are smarter than you, it's why you're seething
>>220172425The real problem is seeing the evils of totalitarian and corrupt systems, and thinking it's not a problem when it's your system that has become totalitarian and corrupt.>when people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious of lies,>or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies>a society of emasculated liars is easy to control
There are strangely a whole breed of Orwell readers who are far leftists, and don't think he was talking about them.
>>220172848>but humans won't just stop fightingThe book very explicitly says that doesnt matter. That it is a solved problem for the state.
>>220178428>forced to repeat the liesLike how the left brought enforced speech laws to Canada
>>220172119He was a socialist, he just didn't like soviet style communism
>>220178533Yes, exactly. I'm not making a partisan argument. I'm pointing out that the one most spearheaded by /pol/ just a few years ago was very very explicitly making everyone accept an obvious lie.your kneejerk reaction to go "but the left!" is exactly my point about not being able to see it when it's on the side you like.The left does it all the time.But it is up just as likely to happen on the right, and the right was not prepared or able to see it when it happened.
>>220178428yeah, the MAGA crowd are delusional retards worshiping a man who doesn't deserve it too. What's your point?
>>220178565Other socialists at the time called him a fascist
>>220172239>practice it is humans who put it to work in the real world and you never want to give humans absolute control.But it was pigs in control, not humansWho did Orwell think should be in control? Non-humans? The planet?
>>220172119>The same crowd that claim Orwell was a socialistHe was a socialist. Read Homage to Catalonia, its literally him LARPing as a left-wing revolutionary and realizing that commie "revolters" are all backstabbers who will shoot their allies for 50 rubles.
>>220178596>What's your point?>>220178592
>>220178592OK, so give me an example of the right bringing enforced speech laws like the left didBecause the fact you immediately tried posting Trump makes it look like you're projecting
>>220178608Orwell was explicitly talking about the kinds of people he had seen in his time on the political left. He's not talking about Donald Trump, is he?
>>220178597I right now am calling you a gay
>>220178625>the right bringing enforced speech lawsI will, as soon as you post that Trump made the right accept and spread obvious lies.Because my point is that the right wont accept when they are turned into emasculated liars, just like the quote in the pic.>>220178628Yes, he is, because Trump is exactly that kind of person.And again, the fact that you refuse to see that Trump makes you accept and spread obvious lies makes you very easy to control.Can you admit this?Go ahead and post it, if you can.
>>220178651OK, so leftists are liars. That's your point?
>>220178676Donald Trump is a socialist in the early 20th century?>erm actually Orwell was talking about LIARS!That's all you take away from his work?
>>220172119I learned recently that 1984 was written jn response to C.S. Lewis' That Hideous Strength which also deals with themes like newspeak and changing history to suit the needs of those in power.It also has Merlin in it which makes it a much more fun book.Orwell definately read it because he wrote and published a review
>>220178676But you said both sides push enforced speechI pointed out the left did it it CanadaOrwell pointed out the communists did itDo you have an example of both sides doing it, or do you admit you're wrong?
>>220178716>Donald Trump is a socialist in the early 20th century?No, he is an authoritarian that spouts populist rhetoric while actively harming that populace to advance his own material gain.You are either retarded, or pretending to be.>>220178733>But you said both sides push enforced speechNo I didnt, quote it.I said Trump matches that quote in the pic - that he made the right sit silently by while he told obvious lies, and then made them go out and spread those lies, and that such an emasculated liar is easy to control.What part of that is not true?
>>220178676>be wrong and lose two arguments at once>begs everyone to admit he's right anywayWhy are leftists like this?
>Donald Trump: I'm great and I'm saving America>Stupid people: He's great and he's saving America!This is exactly the same as Room 101.
>>220178723There are also similar themes in "The Ball and the Cross" by G.K. Chesterton.
>>220178768>cant argue >cant admit itSo very controlled and blind. It happens on the left all the time, but when it happens on the right, it completely destroys you.
>>220178723>That Hideous Strength which also deals with themes like newspeak and changing history to suit the needs of those in power.It doesn't. You've never read so much as a page of it.
1984 was about Barack Obama, because he promised "hope and change", and the hope and change never came.See, I can talk shit to.
>>220178759OK, here's your quotes and the post that you made a few minutes ago>>220178592>But it is up just as likely to happen on the right>>220178676>I willAnd you said you would give me an example here.So where is the example, bootlicking leftist?
>>220178814Obama is a crack smoking faggot
>>220178795So when did it happen on the right, you've made several posts now and still can't give an example, that's 3 arguments you've lost
Whoever is in control of Orwel’ms estate deserves a punch in the gut for taking the money and allowing this profoundly offensive adaptation to exist.
>>220178844>I will..., as soon as you post that Trump made the right accept and spread obvious lies.Obvious lying on your part only proves my point further.And nothing you quoted shows me saying anything about enforced speech, that was you.>>220178866>So when did it happen on the right>>220178428
>>220178814He made America worse, maybe that was the change
>>220178887I asked you to post proof and you said "I will". I quoted the post.
>>220178800NICE is Big Brother you tard
>>220178887How is Trump totalitarian?
>>220178921>I will..., as soon as you post that Trump made the right accept and spread obvious lies.>>220178948Unitary Executive Theory
>>220178960so you admit then that you said you'd post an example of the right using enforced speech?And now you also need evidence that Trump is totalitarian. All this because Orwell made fun of communists
>>220178997>you said you'd post an example of the right using enforced speech?I said I would on the condition that you admit Trump made the right accept and spread obvious lies.>evidence that Trump is totalitarian.Given.
>>220179070Orwell gave evidence of commies doing it, why don't you have any evidence commie anon?>I'll admit I'm wrong if you say I'm right firstBut you're not, low IQ bootlicker
>>220172029>thinkingalso I read it as anti totalitarian book actually
>>220179070You didn't give any evidence, America has democracy retard
>>220179108The evidence not behind a conditional was given.And not a commie, just one that sees both sides being lied to.I'd be yelling at the lefties but its your side here in this site, and in power.>>220179152>America has democracyAnd totalitarianism, and more every day.
>>220172188some predictive programming for swine flue vibe with that corona painting>spolied apples>animal farmsthey will make laws to control food supply likely
>>220179168>le enlightened both sideser >I will provide proof as soon as you admit I am right
>>220179306Every time you cant admit an obvious lie right in front of everyone, it just proves my point.It's like asking a Jew to renounce the Talmud. Even as a lie, they wont do it. Youll get every combination of offense and distraction and weaseling, but not that.
>>220179385Yea, its us that's weasling when pestered for proof, not you
>>220179385OK, so admit you lied or show proof of the right using enforced speech
>>220179168>America is totalitarian>proof?>AND MORE EVERY DAYEvidence should be easy to get then, bootlicker
>>220179385you can't use darvo, you have no power here
>>220172029It would have performed better as a porn parody
>>220179452totalitarianism is when the party he doesn't like is in power, and people enforce laws that were already there.
>>220172029Apparently Animal Farm is a satire on Communism to show Fascists how stupid they were because Orwell was pro-Communist and anti-Fascist (he wasn't).
>>220172131>thinking l*tin is a holy language
is this book worth reading or is there a good adaptation?
>>220175021It would just be a sci-fi The Florida Project
>>220179786the live action one is pretty memey, as I recall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdQdkbRsDUAwas it kinou?
>>220179626If Orwell was against Communism I don't think he was pro Fascism that is just another totalitarian dictatorship.
>>220172582Excellent false flag bait, you've got a few hooked.
>>220175021It was called Tomorrowland.
>>220172029>seth Rogan involved>its badWow. Who could have seen this coming
It's going to be a cult classic, I can feel it.
>>220172425>Less it corresponded to the reality.YeahThe reality turned out way worse than even wildest soviet fever dream, lmao.But then again, it's a britbong, nonces and faggots they are, all of them. Actual nation of antichrists, worse than Jews even.
>>220179786The book is a quick and easy read, it’s a novella, and it’s worth the effort. Your reaction to it will differ based on your own political beliefs, primarily about communism. It’s important that you go into it understanding that Orwell considered himself a “democratic socialist” and was highly sympathetic to both Marxism and the October Revolution. The book is essentially a Trotskyite’s version of the history of the Soviet Union from 1918-1945 told through a parable about farm animals. I think it’s probably important to keep that in mind.
>>220172150He was a member of POUM, a group which got purged for being too far left by more centrist factions
>>220172029This is the most orwellian thing I could imagine
>>220173702> sailors in the Kronstadt Anarchists deserved it.>Up next, the farmers doing well,Tzar Nicholas realised too late that these pieces of shit need to get in line, and it cost him the throne and life. Soviets didn't make the same mistake.>NEP men who made money,Unironic "give them finger, they bite a hand" situation. NEP was a Russian Weimar Republic, lmao.
>>220174908>Franco's ships opened fire by the refugees for shits in giggles.>Franco's generals openly bragged about how they need to rape more women.Bunch of niggers who whine the loudest one they are on the receiving end.
>>220172029>Anti communism book made into a pro communism book by capitalists
Forget 1984, embrace brave new world
>>220181264For me, it's Brazil.
>>220181264Lem's Return from the Stars
>>220174963Funny how you people always says that leftist lunacy always ruin stuff, but the right are somehow unable to ruin anything. Also what exactly is falling apart in Sweden?
>>220172029From what I understand, the new ending of the movie just exiles both the communists and new capitalist characters to have a forced happy ending. Something to remember is that the book never stated that capitalism was good, the ending of it even stated that there was no difference between the communist pigs and the capitalist farmers, with the problem really coming from the ruling class that rises to the top in all of these systems.
>>220172029Animal Farm’s message also applies to Capitalism as well.It’s a cautionary tale about how the wrong people can get unlimited power with lavish promises, gaslighting, exploitation, fear, and violence.This isn’t exclusive to just the soviet union. All these lessons can easily apply to CEOs or elected officials.Hell, I’m pretty sure Boxer’s story of hard work being rewarded with going to the glue factory is very related to the average minimum wage employee. Or how “some animals are more equal than others” reflects how corporations call their employees “family” while not giving a shit about them.And no, this doesn’t excuse Soviet Union either. People shouldn’t be doing this at all and we should understand the actual take away from Animal Farm.
>>220172060 it's been finished for years but angel studios bought the movie and had it redubed to be about Jesus.
>>220181501no, it's all about communism. nice try, tranny.
>>220172119He wasn’t a communist he was an “anarchist” which is a first world term for a faggot who pretends to be a revolutionary until doing so becomes uncomfortable.
>>220181501In case anyone still says orherwise, here is a list of things Companies do that is like Animal Farm>Call their employees family>Used Union Busters>Tells employees to rat each other out for trying to start unions>Keeps salary of older employees the same despite inflation>Gives promotions to blood relatives instead of actual hard working employees>Rewrites books and alters movies to be “less problematic”>Uses the term “buy” when you’re buying software like a game, then claims its a “license” when they decide to ruin it or just take it back>Rewrites historical events/time periods to align with their goals>ESG>Intentionally adding misleading labels like TicTacs having “0 calories”>Shrinkflation>Lobbying for ID verification>Stealing your data>Ghost jobs to steal your data>Ghost jobs to gaslight employees, shareholders, and the US government>Firing natural born citizens and replacing them with 3rd worlders>Tricking people into believing CEOs and executives actually do anything>Assassinating whistleblowers>Having bots dusguised as regular people>Taking down bad reviews>Listing legal requirements as benefits>Falsifying pay and hours on job listingsI could go on, but I think I have enough examples.
>>220181831ur brwn
Reminder that communists deserve death
>>220181376>funny how the right points out a fact but but they won't also lieTranny logic
>>220181501Animal Farm is literally about communism
>>220172188Wait, this is real? Lol what the fuck.
>>220181376>Also what exactly is falling apart in Sweden?The only reason Sweden isn't a shithole is the fact they are very capitalist/free market
>>220182085Sweden is a shithole, but it was the safest country in the world before immigration
>>220181897Marxists are religious cultists fighting for their own enslavement.Also neoliberalism doesn't exist, it's just a meaningless leftist buzzword
>>220181944The government is a million times worse and creates inflation in the first place, yet you cry that prices go up and wages stagnateYou people are bootlicking retards
>>220182033>Anon says, working for his “family” who just laid off 40,000 employees who now don’t have health insurance or way to pay rent, just to save money
>>220181944>>Tricking people into believing CEOs and executives actually do anythingHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>the capital will manage itself HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>220182033It’s about authoritarianism. Authoritarians behave the exact same way every single time. Modern authoritarians now have a resource they can demand has value and has an infinite supply. As right now all economists are insisting that money needs to be infinitely printed to keep the economy from collapsing.
>>220182149You support government intervention/money printing though.Shouldn't you be happy those things happened? It's literally what you wanted
>>220182149>the current situation is kind of bad so let's make it a million times worse through communism
>>220182153Do you even know what CEOs actually do? Like, specifically what they do and not vaguely “lead the company”.
>>220182220Do you?I bet you think a CEO owns the company and is a capitalist.
>>220182190>Government interventionOh no! The government is allowing Steinberg to falsely advertise his products!>>220182219I’m fascist. The current situation is worse than the Soviet Union and both are worse than Fascist Germany.You’re also proving my point since you’re just fearmongering other options so people accept the shitty current conditions people live in.
>>220182293Notice how you didn’t answer the “what do CEOs actually do” question, thus proving my point.
>>220182172shut the fuck up.the flag was literally a parody of the hammer and sickle you lying cunt. see >>220172425 that's YOU. recognise that and sort yourself out
>>220181897This picture confuses me >>220182085Answer the question >>220182112Yes Sweden needs to go back to the good old days, where biker gangs stole military grade weapons and used it in gang warfare.
>>220182299>Oh no! The government is allowing Steinberg to falsely advertise his products!More like the government prints tens of trillions of dollars, devaluing your wages and savings, while using this newly printed money to pump up the stock and housing market, making billionaires and boomers richer.and you're totally fine with this because you're a government bootlicker>I’m fascist. *I'm a communist>>220182339Literally look it up
Turns out Libertarians were right about literally everything lmao
>>220182445>Yes Sweden needs to go back to the good old days, where biker gangs stole military grade weapons and used it in gang warfare.so we should allow all immigrants into sweden because this one time at band camp somebody did something bad? do you ever read your posts back?
>>220182514That's not even remotely close to what I said, reply to me with an answer that's in line with what I said earlier. Follow the conversation and then give a proper response
>>220182554your argument is that sweden is better now its full of immigrants, because in the past some bad things happened and white people did it.your a fucking imbecile.
>>220172585>It's antimaterialist dribbleYou're a communist and this is the future you are creating right now.
>>220182172Actually it's about communism, and Orwells experience with themWhy are you trying to defend commies?
>>220182603The argument you made was >Safest country in the world before immigration But how can that possibly be the case when you had gang conflicts before that? If anything you're the one saying that it's fine for white people to commit crimes, if immigrant's stole military weapons and used a rocket launcher to blow up a rival building what would you say?
>>220182554You used a whataboutism that has nothing to do with the argumentSweden used to be one of the safest countries in the world, before immigration turned it into a shithole
>>220182652what the fuck are you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you're either trolling, stupid, or incredibly racist. you decide.
>>220182652>one crime happened so it wasn't safeWhat kind of bootlicker logic is this?
Reminder that Communism is inevitable.
>>220182603can't believe i wrote your. i'm a fucking imbecile, too, apparently.
>>220182689So all the crime before that was fine because white people did it? Glad to know where you stand on the issue>>220182708What's unclear? You're saying crime is fine if white people do it. That white biker gangs can steal weapons from the military and use it in gang warfare. But when immigrant's do crime then society has collapsed >>220182722Try multiple crimes
>>220182798No one said any of that, brown cuck. They pointed out immigration turned Sweden into a shitholeDo you have an argument?
>>220182798>What's unclear? You're saying crime is fine if white people do it. That white biker gangs can steal weapons from the military and use it in gang warfare. But when immigrant's do crime then society has collapsedyou're funny. i see it now. i thought you were being genuine at first.you got me. fucker.
>>220182652>But how can that possibly be the case when you had gang conflicts before that?I like how this retard is equating a country of millions not being 100% perfect (but as close as humanly possible) to the imported barbarians doing literally middle east style bomb attacks as if there isnt a galaxy of difference between the two things
>>220182841>it was the safest country in the world before immigration
>>220172029"Real communism has never been tried", probably.
>>220182865Yes, that is correct, low IQ brown cuck. Your argument?
>>220182850Again this is not a new thing, gang conflict looked like this before immigration.
>>220172353Dumb fuck
>>220182892My argument as mentioned before is how can you possibly claim that it was safest country in the world when it had plenty of gang conflicts before immigration?
>>220182467>Companies don’t adjust their wages for inflation despite adjusting their prices and making record profits>”Big corp is innocent, man! We-I mean they dindu nothin!”>>220182467>Literally look it upSo all CEOs do is look up? Doesn’t seem productive to me. Or are you still not answering the question with a proper response?
>>220172625Name 10 good people. >>220172660Then the new powerful people become the new bad people. Is it nooses all the way down?
>>220182906>Again this is not a new thing>the brown hordes tossing grenades and commiting literal terrorist attacks is the same thing as everyday regular crimepeople like you deserve to be turned into mulch with the bio weapons you support
>>220182955You bootlickers are something else.You know if we didn't have the central banks you people love so much, prices would constantly be forced DOWN, like which happened in every era in history without a central bank?It's crazy that something so blatantly obvious is lost on you statist cocksuckers lolWhy don't you want prices to come down, I don't get it?Why do you want endless malinvestment into stock market and housing market bubbles?>Or are you still not answering the question with a proper response?I gave you a response, read the image. You can't refute the image?
>>220182751>Reminder that Communism is inevitable.Reminder that communism is a religious cult filled with people that misunderstand material reality and that it's not inevitable whatsoever.People don't want to be your slaves, grow up.
>>220172029Animal farm was blackpilled. It criticizes both communism and capitalism. That's why at the end of the book, the pigs and the men look exactly the same. Read the book
>>220182172>It’s about authoritarianismsoooo communism?
>>220183268Completely and totally unrelated to immigration.
>>220183178This is like your 4th post not answering “what do CEOs actually do”.It’s pretty clear you have no clue what you’re talking about since if you knew what CEOs actually did, you’d been able to answer already.Also>That imageCompanies are raising the prices of necessities.Companies are also making record profits.Companies are also giving the CEOs and executive (who you haven’t listed a single thing that they actually do btw) those record breaking profits and having larger portions of bonuses than before.So there is no reason why companies can’t also adjust wages to fit with inflation.
>>220183344in the UK, sober muslim men hang around outside of nightclubs and coerce drunk white girls to get into cars with them. also>what say you?
>>220183113Biker gangs did the exact same thing before any immigrants, even the weapons they use are from white countries. Provided to them by white people >>220183344Yes because nothing else happened that could have contributed to the rise.
>>220183432https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2dxj570n21oWhere was the outrage for this?
>>220183432>forcing some poor trad muslisms to have sex with br*tish w*menA real human tragedy.
>>220183432>in the UK, sober muslim men hang around outside of nightclubs and coerce drunk white girls to get into cars with them.At least in the UK that is recognized as a predatory behavior. When niggers do that in the US it is celebrated.
>>220183432They get real quiet when asked who these men were supplying for
>>220183415>This is like your 4th post not answering “what do CEOs actually do”.I sent an image explaining. It's pretty simple.>Companies are raising the prices of necessities.What does this have to do with anything?Also the government is responsible for that via interventionism and money printing.>Companies are also making record profits.Yet you support the endless printed money that goes into their pockets>Companies are also giving the CEOs and executive (who you haven’t listed a single thing that they actually do btw) those record breaking profits and having larger portions of bonuses than before.Yes, this is a problem and due to the things I mentioned above.Absolutely nothing you wrote proves that CEOs "do nothing"You retard>So there is no reason why companies can’t also adjust wages to fit with inflation.Why do you support the INFLATION existing in the first place, moron?Also it's not possible for them to do this. Prices for all goods go up, obviously people in the economy are going to consume less.You really think inflation shouldn't negatively affect living standards in any way?Well it fucking does, retard.
>>220183268anytime this is posted it gets debunked but keep living in your bubble>law in some EU countries changed what crimes can be prosecuted as "rape" thus increasing the rate of rape-related incidents>stat tracks court related rape cases, meaning it only tracks crimes that got reported and then prosecuted, ironically making countries with better justice systems report higher crime rates than shitholes like the balkans where rape/crime goes unreported officially
>>220183629true. That's the kind of thing Quentin Tarantino or Eminem would say was "awesome", while simultaneously saying white people were boring.
>>220183649>I sent an image explaining. It's pretty simple.So where is this image explaining what CEOs actually do?
Politics are for useful retards faggots
>>220178676>I willIf you had an example you would have posted it already, faggot.
>>220178759>Trump>authoritarian
>>220184060>ignored my entire postyou lost :)
