Holy shit
>>220179568I should probably rewatch this. I don’t remember much besides some bitterness between soldiers on both sides
>>220179700I remember this guy being a drama queen. Like calm down lil bro, it's not that serious
based Việt Cộng
I WANT TO FUCK YOU LIKE AN ANIMAL
>>220179568Burns' best. The other nam doc series with Ethan Hawke narrating is pretty good too.
>So we shelled them day and night :)
>>220180223Nah, the Civil War documentary will always be his best work and it'll probably be the last truly impartial study of the war done by an American -- at least for the foreseeable future.You could never talk about Nathan Bedford Forrest being the best soldier of the war in 2026, you'd have to just post the cliffnotes about how he was a racist who formed the KKK, never explaining why the KKK was created in the first place or what it originally stood for.Thank God for Shelby Foote.
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I hate how people jerk this offit's purely made to show off the American POV and completely flies over the POV of the ARVNThey spent 10 minutes talking about the Battle of Quang Tri which was the bloodiest battle of the war with the highest casualty list purely because it didn't feature Americans.Meanwhile they spend an hour talking about Khe Sahn just to jerk off some marines over a firebase battle
>>220180505Nobody in the entire world outside of vietnam wants to watch extended scenes about viets vs viets
Why dont 3rd worlders feel any remorse for committing war crimes?
>>220179771is that the helicopter gunner? if i remember right wasn't he fucking insane now
watching traveling videos it seems like vietnam is a great place to go for vacation nowadays. amazing food/hotels and great service
>>220180769there's no war crimes in self defense
>>220180791Isnt he the guy they sent into the tiny holes that were full of traps?
>>220180820They will scam the shit out of you at every opportunity, much moreso than their SEA neighbors, but other than that it's fine
Most misunderstood war by normies ever. Listen to Redditors talk about Vietnam and they act like South Vietnam never existed and that the NVA/VC were routing US forces all day everyday. In reality they never won any open engagements and lost 1.1 million fighters for only 60k Americans.
>>220180986The thing about wars is that they're decided by who achieves their objectives and not over fatalities. In the end the US failed to achieve their objectives and the commies took over the entirety of Vietnam
>>220181026It's an incredible feat of US military command's incompetence at the time that they could kill 1.1 million Vietnamese and still achieve basically none of their long-term goals in the region.Wars where your command level officers are fucking incompetent retards are the worst sort of wars to fight in.
>>220180769Too low iq
>>220181026In the end North Vietnam attended the Paris Peace conference and pulled their troops away from the border. America promised South Vietnam that if the North came back that America would have their back again, but when they did come back a Democrat was in office who betrayed them lol.
>>220181099Strategically outplayed, lmao
>>220181071Washington kept the military on a leash and refused to allow them to push into Northern Vietnam, meaning that they were stuck playing Whack-a-mole against infinite troops being funneled in. Most VC by the end weren’t even communist militias but just NVA troops in disguise because all the actual Viet Cong got mulched during the Tet offensive, theorized to have been purposefully sacrificed just to get rid of them.
>>220181099You're retarded. Ford was a Republican and Congress refused to authorize any support for South Vietnam after North Vietnam violated the Paris Peace Accords.
>>220181127More politically but yes. It’s shocking America still has tiny 4 year term limits which only leads to political flip-flopping where no one besides Israel has to deal with a country that never commits to anything.
>>220181225>pretending like Democrats weren’t crying the entire war about the “Asian Holocaust”Lol
Top 5 subhuman country list:1. Australia2. Canada3. India4. Phillipines5. Vietnam/Laos
>>220180505No one cares about those traitors. My grandad was in nam and he said they would send them out as bait before just bombing the whole area (including the ARVN positions.) Asian male life is cheap
>>220181424your grandad is an absolute piece of shit and will burn in hell for that stunt
>>220180333Even back then though they had to pay lip service to that sort of thing. The Civil War doc is unwatchable whenever the one black bitch goes on harping about slavery in the middle of the war
>>220181455The Civil War was explicitly about slavery. Southern generals would legit stop everything to kill/capture escaped slave caravans even if it compromised the war.
>>220181333You fucking bitch bastard
>>220181085A quirk of white intelligence is how they're the only ones capable of reflecting on their history both positively and negatively
>>220179568Imagine the banter
>>220179700>I don’t remember much besides some bitterness between soldiers on both sides who weren't fortunate sons.
>vietnamese solders: killing whites was based and awesome>american soldiers: I literally have to sleep with a night light or else the commies will haunt my nightmares
>>220181455There's almost none of that in his Civil War doc. There's the old blind lady who does like two poems and that one young black woman historian who is occasionally obnoxious about slavery but it talks about it WAY LESS than the new American Revolution one for example, and that's with slavery being the hot button issue of the war.
>>220181727The civil war was fought over taxation, not slavery. The American revolution was almost entirely about slavery and also westward expansion. America back then was basically Israel
I like the video of the guy who travels Vietnam and stays in a tiny capsule for 25 bucks.
>>220181483>suggesting that the slaves were capable of forming caravans
The two parts that surprised me were>Nixon stalling the peace process til after he was electedand>jane fonda posed smiling with hanoi anti-aircraft gunners
>>220181795There are tons of primary sources from both sides that talk about General Nathan Forrest slaughtering slave caravans retard
>>220181281The Democrats who started the war in the first place or a different Democrats?
>>220179568>it aint me starts playing
American makes doc about Americans, for American TV from the pov of Americans>>220180505>omg, I can't believe this doc is only about Americans
>>220181843Why would he slaughter a valuable resource like slaves?
>>220179568>Fighting Communists!? NOOOOOOOO>NOT THE HECKIN WHOLESOME COMMURINOS!!!>SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!
>>220181483>The Civil War was explicitly about slaveryIt really wasn't, at least not in the way everyone pretends it was, no matter how much your reddit historians say otherwise. You probably think "the lost cause" is a real thing that dangerous, democracy hatin' maga rednecks are tryin' to teach dem kids.
>>220181483No
>>220182030it was about slavery>but it's complexyes, for the Union it was complex, for the South it was stated outright even by the leaders of the Confederacy that it was about protecting and spreading the role of slavery in the US economy. The reasons for this are many, but mostly economic and power. The North learned, as many nations around the world had, that paying a man to labor was actually cheaper than owning slaves, and was a booming economic powerhouse. The South could not hope to, at the time, replicate these conditions as they never had the population density of the North, and wanted to keep slavery and protect its role in society at large to avoid slave revolts like in Haiti and Jamaica. The 3/5ths compromise also empowered slave states to have more government representation than their states could normally bring to bear based on population alone, so keeping slavery would help to keep Democrats in power compared to the population booms happening outside the southern states.
>>220182286>paying a man to labor was actually cheaper than owning slavesNot saying you're wrong, but: proof?
>>220182770
>>220182770You don’t have to pay for a laborer’s food and lodging (unless you are contractually obligated to do so.) That alone makes it cheaper.
>>220180986>act like South Vietnam never existed>lost 1.1 million fighters for only 60k Americanscontradictory. you should've said South vietnam and their allies (including america) lost almost 400 000
>>220180769>war crimesKilling commies is not a crime
>>220183183You’d definitely be the kind of guy who’d die in the first engagement with the enemy.
>>220181333you listed India twice
>>220182770as stated by >>220182908 you put the onus of survival on your employee instead of yourselfyou gave them a job, that's all you are obligated to do, and if your employee dies of starvation/whatever, you can hire a new one and it's not your problemironically, just as the same way the burgher middle-class destroyed feudalism and monarchy without actually doing anything other than existing, people seeking employment during the industrial revolution killed slaverythough when you think about it, slavery has just sort of changed, see >>220182840 and Democrats are still making the same "who will pick our cotton" arguments to this day
>>220181772based HaraldMy friend visited Vietnam once and got such bad food poisoning like the first day that her entire trip was her just puking and shitting her brains out. I forgot what she said caused it
>during the Tet Offensive some Marines got into the radio building and played Viennese Waltzes and Beatles tracks Far out, man. Imagine that shit blaring in a street battle.
>>220180223baseball clears all of them and im not even american
>>220183558Baseball is possibly the greatest documentary series ever madeI've never given a damn about the sport, and that shit made me fucking love baseball and the American dream
>>220184791>>220183558Hey samefag. No, baseball is a boring hagiography that spends the least amount of time on the most interesting aspects of baseball history. It’s just journalists from the north east pretending that liking baseball is a divine calling and that the only teams that matter come from New York or Boston.
>>220183320three times>australia
>>220179568any docs that feature macv sog, the long range reconnaissance patrols or other special/elite forces?
>>220183435Vietnamese food?
>>220179568Great doc. The Civil War one is his best though.
I'm convinced at this point that the Cold War had nothing to do with ideology at all. It was, like every conflict, about power dynamics and shifting the balances of power. Vietnam increasingly became a war about Soviet-Chinese rivalry and the U.S. exploited that to increase that divide to break up global competitors. The Americans didn't actually care, especially by the late 60's early 70's, who won the war so long as the USSR got more problems than benefits from it. The communist world was initially decently united but became fractious and divided and fought very pathetic wars purely over power and influence rather than for any ideological crusade purpose.
documentary kino thread? i'm pretty sure this one could make anyone a racist seeing the black jurors admit they wanted revenge against whitey
>slowly zoom in on a picture while reading a history textbook >this made boomers shit and piss their pants Things were so easy back in the day.
>>220179568should I watch this or is watching the cumtown bit on ken burns enough?
>>220186986As everything Herzog has made is kino, here's one of his more recent ones.
I think this is the best Vietnam war documentary because it's from the perspective of one of its chief architectsYou want to hate McNamara but he's very logical and explains his point of view well
I really liked his recent buffalo documentary. Fucking railroad companies are insane.
>>220186986saw this one recently, pure italiano slice of life
Question: Why are there no SOG mission movies or series? Lots of them have been declassified, lots of high pace action, tension, suspense and death; not to mention guns.
>>220179568watching it right now
>>220186941I can agree that policies of those types were adopted after Vietnam (USSR in Afghanistan vs American proxy's, America in Afghanistan vs Russian proxy's, etc.), but a key point is that 5 different presidents from either party presided over the Vietnam war, and part of that resulted in no comprehensive strategy at all.It was a very slow and gradual build up, which was caused by a lack of general oversight.For the Vietnamese it wasn't a question of restructuring global power divides, it was literally just the fact that the communists supported their movement, and the west was still shaking of colonialism.It's less a of a fact that the USSR supported Vietnam against America to thwart the Americans, and more that fact that it was a mutual enemy who had bogged himself down in a stupid war, and that opportunity was rife for exploitation.
>Thanks for helping liberate my country, Mister Truman! You will recognise my government right? >Please respond.
>>220187294That would be fucking kino.I read about the operations recently, and the one thing that really stuck out to me was that zero of their missions to rescue American PoW's succeeded, sometimes they'd arrive at the camps and find food still cooking but abandoned.It was first when they got wise to the notion that there was a Vietnamese mole higher up and they stopped giving information about upcoming raids they could even land undisturbed around the Ho Chi Minh trail.The really murky and difficult aspect of the Vietnam war (peoples war vs foreign intervention) would be center point.
>>220187176It’s crazy just how many boomers pointlessly died in that war. I can understand why it made them despise the government
>>220187384>Still waiting for you to schedule elections that allow non communist candidates.
Reminder that the through line of Ken Burns's oeuvre is America bad. And anyone denying that includes The Civil War isn't paying attention because it's not just the BF historian, it's the insistence that it's all about slavery.Baseball is ruined by the emphasis on labor unions, the color barrier, mean White people, etc. He wants us to feel bad about America's history and traditions. Now PBS, NPR, etc. all pipe that shit into our homes and cars and wherever all day long. Even in Sesame Street.
>>220187510wasn't pointless thoughbeitHad they not stopped the spread of communism there, all of south east Asia would succumb
>>220187537lets see the non communist candidates >french booklicker #1>french bootlicker #2>french bootlicker #3
>>220187384America was legitimately too racist for that. Had this happened like 10 years later America would have happily supported him.
>>220187600It was pointless. All of those southeast asian countries hate China and would rather be their foe than their friend, including Vietnam, which wanted to be our ally first and foremost -- both sides, north and south, but we drove the north into the arms of the Chinese because we thought the south would be easier to control.
>>220187600But it did spread. It spread to Laos and Cambodia. And then the CIA supported the ultras in Cambodia that made the regular Soviet communists look like liberals simply because Pol Pot was Pro-Chinese and Anti Soviet and Vietnamese. Again it had nothing to do with ideology. It has everything to do with influence.
>>220187679This. It all comes down to China.
>>220187630Vs>Mao's fleshlight
>>220187176McNamara unironically did a good job with what information he was being fed, both from above and underneath him. He basically discovered what every bureaucrat had known for decades at that point: your superiors want eggless omelets and your underlings will feed you information that makes it seem possible despite knowing you're knee deep in shit.
>>220187696of course it spread, the Americans left, and in the absence of an actual superpower to teach them about democracy and freedom, they fell like dominos.It could be argued that ideology either assists or reduces foreign influence.>>220187679the south was easier to control, because they were aligned with western values like democracy.The north were already in the hands of the Chinese and Russians, as they were the ones supporting the struggle against the colonial French regime.
>>220187830The south was easier to control because they were corrupt as fuck
>>220179568I have it on a hard drive but I haven't watched it yet. I've seen Baseball, The Civil War and The American Revolution.
>>220187830The south was impossibly corrupt, they just took US money and then made everyone in Vietnam fucking hate them.Meanwhile Ho Chi Minh loved America to the point of borderline obsession and he patterned their war for independence after the American war for independence. We should've just supported him. Instead, we let the much worse people involved in the NVA to take control.
>>220181698They have to say that for dramatic purposes. In reality most vets didn’t care. My grandfather and his friends were in nam and they laugh about the shit they did to gooks all the time.
>>220187679Vietnam has always been a part of China though.
>>220179568Ken is a retarded shitlib propagandist. Everything he makes sucks.
>>220188007So has Vladivostok. Go get that back first, chang.
>intentionally civilian infrastructure to cause as much suffering as possible>crash land in hanoi>people insult you and you are treated as a war criminal>boo hoo woe is me this is cruelty I want coca colaok dude
>>220180333This except the black woman and the black man voice off, despite they being actually legit in their field, those parts were nigger pandering as they could be
>>220180769>watches some jew documentary instead of reading the definitive work on indonesian interethnic conflictMoron.
>>220181772I like the ones of ASMR massage.
>>220187573Confederate Vice-President Alexander H. Stephens: "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." On February 2, 1861, Texas declared its decision to be “based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color—a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law.”March 9, 1861, Arkansas’s George B. Smoote added a resolution: “Resolved, that the platform on the party known as the Black Republican Party contains unconstitutional dogmas, dangerous in their tendency and highly derogatory to the rights of slave states, and among them the insulting, injurious and untruthful enunciation of the right of the African race of their country to social and political equality with the whites.”Missippis Secession:https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.aspand on and on and on and on.
>>220187176>my middle name is strange>it's okay you can tell me
I put the "Ashokan Farewell" theme from Civil War by Jay Ungar every night before I go to sleep, in case I die during my sleep i hear a nice song as the last song i ever heard.
>>220188090He had to wear his gold watch up his bro, no slopes we’re gonna get their greasy yellow hands on his boys birthright, you’ll never have kids anyway so you wouldn’t understand.
>>220188217>the civil war was all about slavery! look at these cherry picked quotes while I ignore the laundry list of other complaints the seceding states hadSlavery was just the final straw. The Carolinas had been barking about secession for decades over tariffs.
>>220187799>McNamara did a great job if you ignore that he was so incompetent he was incapable of getting accurate knowledge when his job is to obtain accurate knowledge.
>>220188293SecDefs job is to basically be a liaison between the President and the Pentagon. He took an active role and did a good job. If you read the Pentagon Papers, you'd realize that LBJ usually rejected his recommendation and instituted his own plans which didn't work. McNamara was making lemons into sugar-free lemonade.
I genuinely can't wrap my head how in that one episode they describe the VC managing to scare off several M113s with just some RPKs and AK47s whilst the US attaché screams in his recon helicopter over how shit the south vietnamese are at fighting.
>>220188233Not a bad song for crossing over.
>>220188369The only thing you need to do to be a great soldier is to believe that your life is disposable to the cause you're fighting for and many Vietnamese felt that way.
>>220188426Wrong, anon. The only thing you need to do to be a great soldier is have easily scared enemies.
>>220180986It's so crazy how you idiots claim to be obsessed with history yet you don't understand any of it. Truly baffling.
>>220187974This. I don't know how you could come away from this documentary thinking anything differently.
>>220181099Oh my god I can't deal with this thread you are all fucking retarded
>>220180505
LBJ was probably one of the worst people ever to exist. The damage he did to America is overwhelming. Hope he rots in hell.
I liked The Warthe P-47 pilot was cool
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
>>220188908Naww wee lass had a bit of a tumble :(
>>220188908>this was considered a horrendous national tragedy and moral outrage in 1970
>>220188958we sure have gone in the wrong direction
>>220188908>>220188958If this happened now it'd be out of the news cycle in a week and forgotten by two.
>>220189136This is how democracy dies... WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CHICKEN FRIED
>>220188275>Cherry picked quotes>The official proclamations of the governments.>Muh tariffsAnd yet they never actually did it, yet the moment they felt slavery was threatened the tripped over each other attempting to secede, curious...
>>220187294>>220186724who knows, my crackpot theory is that those guys really loved what they were doing and took the call of duty to heart, and producers are afraid to show such elements of vietnam in a positive light
which one is the best burns?
>>220191353Burns local
>>220191410too hard for mesomething lighter please
>>220189136It depends on if there was any good videos from it. Like a soldier's body cam showing him getting hit with a filthy hippy's rock before he discharged his weapon.
Is it still on netflix?
was the NVA and NLF using really sound tactics? Was direct confrontation with regular american troops really the best course of action? Couldn't they just wait the americans out? They always retire.
>>220187384Uncle Ho was too good for this world
>>220181333Nah Vietnam is the worst of the worst. Invaded by China, The Mongols, Japan, France, USA. Mail order bride capital of the world. Thousands of years of civilization and their claim to fame is Pho and Flappy Bird.
>>220189381It was one of the reasons but to claim it’s the only reason is just pure dishonesty.
>>220179568Was great. Also shows how time is a flat circle. People were having the same retarded arguments back then, nearly word for word
>>220186724>>220189406dont know about docs but there are quite alot of podcasts with those guys in youtube, they all seemed to love that shit, zero ptsd
>the civil war wasn't about slaveryThe retarded shit you hear on this nigger board the south will rise up brothers
>>220187799Multiple times this retard is known to have said "why didn't anyone tell me this?" relating to information that showed the war was "unwinnable" in the terms they wanted, his problem is being a statistician and ignoring reality to enforce a message. He woke up but by then it was too late and worse people were above him anyway.
>>220186986One of the most kino docs I've seen so be it. The Last Dance was also kino and Wild Wild Country. The Jinx was pretty insane. I love me a good doc
I'm going to watch it this weekend. Thanks, anon.
>>220188755my boy's wicket smaht
>>220180505Americans are the protagonists of the world. If you've got a problem with that, then make your own documentary no one will watch.
>>220194489Your mother got invaded by 1000 nigger cocks and her only claim of fame is a retarded inbred child that is you
>>220200081Joshua Luna?
Ken Burns is goyslop.
>>220200391Who makes better slopumentaries?
>>220181483Also cannibalism. The slave owners regularly ate their slaves on high holidays like Purim
>>220200617True. They also turned their slaves into crabs. Watch Buck Breaking (2021) for more info.
>>220187974Very easy to look back and say what should have been done differently, but at the time Vietnam was an irrelevant country in the middle of nowhere, and not at all worth the interest of the US, especially as it was rightful French territory.A random rice farmer turns up and begs the states for independence, would be the equivalent of one person in Wales flying to America and asking for you full support. It would be ignored.
>>220200552>herp derpyou rightI'm going to watch this over the weekend
>>220186769It's based. Go outside, flyover.
>>220188908why is everyone in this pic /fa/ as fuck?
>>220199015badass shit, dude
>>220179568SOME FOLKS
>>220179568>It's a Mogie Crocker episode
>>220182286>yes, for the Union it was complex, for the South it was stated outright even by the leaders of the Confederacy that it was about protecting and spreading the role of slavery in the US economy.Not really. It was about state rights and more importantly - the desire of the South to be independent. The CSA viewed the North as having too much power to basically pass legislation all on their own even with all the South voting against it because of their massive increase in population size which basically allowed the North to bypass the South even if all the South states voted against a specific legislation. The slavery was the lynchpin combining all states into a single unified bloc, since they all ran differently themselves, but not the actual reason for it. It's why the South wanted in new territories slavery to be legal - not because they themselves cared whatever happened in Kansas or whatever, but because they wanted to offset the legislative and pressure power the North had.It's why the South didn't give a fuck when Lincoln tried to negotiate on slavery and extend it indefinitely basically allowing the South to run on slavery however long they want to. The South told him to fuck off because as I said - they didn't really care about slavery itself but the power the North had over them. So they would rather be independent and decide on their own policies.
>>220202996You're like Apu when he tried to get his citizenship. Just say slavery. >Slavery it is, saar!
>>220203029It isn't slavery, you fucking idiot. Linoln literally offered them to kill slavery indefinitely and they still refused.
>>220183236Kill yourself commie kike faggot
>>220181333white australians are great bros, tired of the hate for these based guys
>>220202996this, its midwit to think Civil War was all about slavery alone, middle school doesnt even teach you that anymore
>>220179568>tfw no Robert L. Howard episode
>>220181248maybe Trumpfuhrer will get rid of those stupid limits
>>220179568i'm absolutely famished with Vietnam being looked through the lens of all that journalist peopaganda, American soldiers were allowed to be junkies and started fragging officers then the brass panicked and pulled us out before things got even more embarrassing, it was a full on revolt caused by leftists buried under a bunch of idiotic liberal tears shit
>>220189381>>The official proclamations of the governments.Correct, cherry picked to exclude the multiple other state governments which didn't mention slavery at all in their articles of secession
>>220179568>ultimate vietnam docu>no mention of irl rambo
>>220179771>>220180791>>220180912https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNE8T1M5uDQ
>>220179568Far too American for my liking. I switched off when it went from talking about the actual war to doing gay emotional piece about some soldier who fought in it for about 10 minutes. I don't need endless monologues and life-stories but I guess for the yanks it's all they know.Watch "The World at War." That's how you make a documentary.
>>220204016Check out Victory at Sea.
>>220204080Thanks for the recommendation anon. Might be something good to check out before I kms next week.
>>220204101It's from the 50's and plays almost like an old newsreel.
>>220203055I don't even believe abraham was a real person you fucking twit. >Television and Film
>>22018672484C MoPic
>>220187994Doesn't that get old after a while?
>>220179568>Propaganda No thanks
>>220188522https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0M_dn8WHE
