Was it a good twist?
No. Everyone thought it was shit at the time and knew it was a half-baked attempt at topping empires reveal, people only accepted it because it became an accepted fact within the popular culture.
>>220236233No. Stupid and contrived.
Does it matter? It's a space opera for children and excels at being just that.
no
>>220236233forget the shitty twist, the whole fucking obi wan ghost exposition scene is terrible and obliterated all sense of wonder or metaphor in star wars ghosts
>>220236233It's a bad twist, then again leia would ended up being an even more boring character
>>220236233Wasn't he lusting for Leia at some point? I vaguely recall there was some competition between him and Solo for Leia at some point before this. That would be weird...
>>220236233I wouldn’t even call it a twist so much as a development. it’s not like it ruins the trilogy or anything. it wasn’t necessary, it wasn’t terrible. I guess they wanted something to happen with leia besides just being han’s love interest.
From a certain point of view
HEY SHITSKIN SHILLSyou can make endless threads shitting on the original trilogy, but it will never make people like your faggot nu-wars garbage
>>220236233that obnoxious languagefucking loathe lucas goddammit
Lucas lost a lot of credibility 3 years after Return of the Jedi. If he agreed to be the only executive producer of Howard the Duck, it's because he thought the script was good enough
>>220238502why because a ghost doesn't get tired and need to sityou're not a ghost what do you know
My name is Luke. When I came to this country in Highland Park, Illinois everyone kept saying "luke I am your father". It got really annoying, really fast.
turning vader into luke's father was winning the battle but losing the war. it gave empire an ending but made the world universe smaller and potted and set things on an inevitable course where leia would be luke's sister, c-3po was built by his dad, etc.
>>220240360You should have used force.
>>220240360I would go postal. fucking normies
>>220240456they could have just not done the shitty and gay repetitions of it in later movies
>>220240456I get what you're saying, but also Luke and Vader's dynamic in Return was the high point of the entire series and that all hinged on their relationship. without that emotional core, Return and subsequently the entire trilogy would have fallen flat. and let's be honest, any prequel/sequel trilogies probably weren't going to be very good in the first place. the original trilogy was lightning in a bottle that was already starting to show cracks by Return (including the unnecessary Leia twist). it's good that the Luke/Vader relationship ultimately saved Return and gave us one solid trilogy.
>>220240611true. without the vader twist the series basically ended with a new hope.
>Force Ghost Obi-Wan explains shit to Luke that Yoda could have but they killed him off right beforestrange
>>220238645>Wasn't he lusting for Leia at some point? I vaguely recall there was some competition between him and Solo for Leia at some point before this. That would be weird...Luke lusted over Princess Leia. She kissed him "for luck". In ESB they kissed again but then she has a thing with Han before being reunited with him. Between ESB and RotJ Lucas played up the "love triangle" aspect that many fans had grown accustomed to. Lucas had just written himself into a corner.Originally Lucas didn't want to end on RotJ but have a whole other trilogy of Luke finding his sister where he would actually defeat the Emperor. But Lucas had really grown tired of Star Wars. (His whole business of throwing Boba Fett in the pit was really representative of this. Contemporaries working with him said Boba Fett didn't live up to some vision Lucas had, Lucas said to unceremoniously kill him off even when others said he could fly off and be reused. Lucas clearly regretted this because he brought in Jango.)
>>220241435>Kurtz revealed the original intentions for the nine films as they were laid out BEFORE 1980. >EPISODE 1: Was to focus on the origins of the Jedi Knights and how they are initiated and trained>EPISODE 2: Introduction and development of Obi-Wan Kenobi>EPISODE 3: Introduction and life of Vader>EPISODE 4: There were seven different drafts of the film. At one point, they pursued buying the rights to Hidden Fortress because of the strong similarities. At one point, Luke was a female, Han was Luke's brother, Luke's father was the one in prison (interesting point for some debates) and the film featured 40 wookies>EPISODE 5: Once written, the screenplay of Empire is almost exactly what is seen on screen. The only cut scenes were those involving wampas in the rebel base (cut because of time and unsolved technical glitches) and about two minutes of Luke/Yoda Jedi training with no real dialog.>EPISODE 6: Leia was to be elected "Queen of her people" leaving her isolated. Han was to die. Luke confronted Vader and went on with his life alone. Leia was not to be Luke's sister.>EPISODE 7: Third trilogy was to focus on Luke's life as a Jedi, with very few details planned out.>EPISODE 8: Luke's sister (not Leia) appears from another part of the galaxy.>EPISODE 9: First appearance of the Emperor. I can't find it but there was an interview between ESB and RotJ where Lucas played up resolving the love triangle plot.https://youtu.be/lXZ7-1ebeoI>In Return of the Jedi, there's a deleted scene where Luke, Han, Leia and co. get stuck in a sandstorm on Tatooine right after the sarlacc pit scene. We witness Luke kissing Leia for a fifth (?) time.
>>220241634>"In the end I had a problem in the fight between Luke and his father of why he makes the final turn--Luke makes the final turn to the bad side of the Force and tries to kill his father. Richard [Marquand] was trying to block out the fight between Luke and Vader and we got down to that point underneath the throne room there and he said, 'You know the script sort of says that Vader says something that upsets Luke,' or something vague like that. I can't remember exactly what the script said but it was a very vague...spark. And we didn't have that actual moment that we needed where you got the sense that Luke is hiding. He's not going to fight him. He refuses to fight. He'd rather die first and then something turns him around and makes him fight. And I never really came up with a satisfactory answer to that of what he could possibly say to set Luke off. And in the process of evolving the script and evolving the importance of Leia as the sister, it was sitting right there in front of my face and it became obvious that turning her to the dark side would be the thing that would set Luke off again."George Lucas, ROTJ Annotated Screenplay; 1999.>"At the center of the movie is a lot of exposition, it's a lot of explaining what has happened, and why things are the way they are. In this particular case, there is a whole issue of Luke's sister, and you know, the fact that they were twins. Which is an element that has to be revealed, which comes in later, in terms of who is the 'other' that was talked about in Empire Strikes Back. And how could that person become as powerful as Luke? Well obviously if they were twins, then if she were trained, then, she has the same abilities as Luke has. That becomes an important issue, especially in terms of resolving all the love triangles."George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.
>>220241659>"In the end I had a problem in the fight between Luke and his father of why he makes the final turn--Luke makes the final turn to the bad side of the Force and tries to kill his father. What's funny here is that Lucas had a similar problem with RotS. The original cut didn't have the Padme dying dream neither did it have the whole, Palpatine saying he could save her. Test audiences were confused why Anakin turned and didn't feel like there was enough and this final turn was added in later.
>>220241634>9 movies just to get to the Emperorfucking hell
>>220236233It's better if you first encounter it in Episode III and by Episode VI it's just a fact for the audience that Luke needs to be caught up on.This is why I, II, IV, V, III, VI is the best order.
>>220242523>This is why I, II, IV, V, III, VI is the best orderno, faggot, watch them in release order like a normal person
>>220242523>>220242775They have numbers on them for a reason, retards. You watch starting with I and end with VI.
>>220242891You're utterly retarded, faggot.
