Was Alan Moore the only guy to write edgy capeshit with some substance ?
>>220256793Creating a shallow imitation of something with the only twist being that it's "le edgy", and that thing you're making a parody of is already dogshit. It's a recipe for disaster, and these faggots eat it up.
>>220256793Why can't they come up with an original idea?
>>220256793Tries to be deeper than men in tights punching drag king villians
>>220256793Moore was a fat retard, he had no substance
Genuinely pisses me off when you retards compare shit like the boys or brat pack to Watchmen.The very core of the Watchmen comic is human compassion. The boys is mean-spirited edgy slop written and adapted by midwits.
Watchmen wasn't edgy
>dude it's a subversion of something that was retarded to begin with
>>220256931Alan Moore has things to say with his work beyond "capeshit but with gore".
>>220256984Yes, that's exactly my point.I struggle to see what is even edgy about Watchmen and I'm not even the guy who already said that in this thread. It was boundary pushing in the ways it portrayed super heroes and it was less glamorous. I wouldn't call it edgy. It didn't revel in or glamorize it's violence or sexual themes. Quite the opposite.
>>220256984Yeah, "capeshit with gore plus ripoff"
>>220256793So it seems
>>220257023t.Grant Morrison.
>>220256831>Why can't they come up with an original idea?>capeshit>original ideasSuperman literally started as just a carbon copy of John Carter from A Princess of Mars.It's copied ideas all the way down.
>>220256793its just a sloptastic as marvel but also incredibly pretentious as well. It like a bunch of 13 year olds thinking they're way more mature than 12 year olds.
>>220256793Invincible is good, justice league with gore what's not to like
>>220256793"Deconstruction" is incredibly simple. Having something to say is hard. These are all examples of what happens when simple minds thing that the "deconstruction " itself is the message. Basically, smooth brains aping intelligence.
Invincible and The Boys are two very different creatures. Invincible is just trying too hard but it's not overtly malicious towards the g*yim. The Boys however is. You can feel the creators disdain and hatred for the g*yim in every line spoken, every scene acted, every plot point revealed. The show argues that g*yim are subhuman at best and are only worthwhile to be used as sex toys and weapons. The worst part is that the g*yim loved it, which makes them seem that much more pathetic, and that much more disgusting in the creators eyes.
>>220257151Moore knew that deconstruction is only the first part, he also reconstructed. This is present in Watchmen but more obvious in his Superman comics.
Subversive shit is rarely interesting as it just involves taking potshots at whatever system of power is in front of you.That's it. It never has anything to say beyond that. 80% of modern political theory is just identifying the biggest windmill to charge at.
In the past they looked at comic books and decided "this is retarded so let's just make it into a comedy" and made Adam West Batman and Christopher Reeve Superman. Now they look at comic books and say "this is retarded so let's treat it like it's serious and important". The old way seems smarter.
>>220257119sounds awesome, if you're infantile
>>220257383I'm an autistic man child yeah that's why I post here
>>220256984No he doesn't, read an actual book if you want intellectual stimulation and an exploration of deeper themes and ideas. Moore is an author for young teenagers that is eternally bitter that that is all he will ever amount to.
>>220256793Invincible isn’t edgy at all. Even The Boys (the comic) had a kernel of love
>>220257383You're on 4chan whining about capeshit here faggot
>>220258008Yes, do you think everyone on 4chan has to like capeshit? This isn't your reddit hugbox
I was one of those people who put off watching Invincible for a while because I thought it was like The Boys (What is Superheroes are.. le fucked up?! AND DARK?!)Invincible is just a normal super hero show with more gore, hell it's practically a fucking shonen.
>>220258054If you know what reddit likes or dislikes so much you should go back man
>>220257694>read an actual book if you want intellectual stimulation and an exploration of deeper themes and ideasYou guys always parrot this like books are some sort of holy bastion of intellectual depth, as if 90% of books aren't also total fucking shlock. A bad work is a bad work regardless of medium.
The fact that there exists an entire episode of Invincible with zero gore (Lance Armstrong Eat Your Heart Out), invalidates your comparison with that show and The Boys. Like other anons said, it's not edgy. You'd have to be an unironic child to think a show with violence and cursing automatically means it's edgy.
>>220256793The Boys suffers from awful dialogue and Invincible is DBZ for pussies.
It's not.
>>220258226>>220258092Teenage melodrama with gore is no better than The Goys manchild.
powers was decent i think. i don't remember if it was that edgy but had a bit similar "super heroes are actually kinda bad" thing going on.nobody watched it though because it was on some playstation thing
>>220256793Watchmen was sincere, it wasn't just "capeshit but le grown up (being adult means having gay sex and cursing but NEVER being racist)". I've never read Invincible but Garth Ennis is a hyper hack without equal.
What's funny is retards kept screaming that the Snyder era of DC was "edgy, dark and mean spirited" when its ultimate message was about people rising above and ushering in a new age of heroes from a dark age caused by peoples fear after the reaction of a horrible event.A world broken by fear (post-Black Zero, post-Metropolis) slowly learning to believe again.Batman a nearly fallen knight older, cynical, faithless and worn down after watching the world rot and his friends/family fade away or die in the battle against crime. The Round Table is gone, the code is dead. Then Superman shows up and sacrifices himself reminding him what a symbol is supposed to mean. That’s your Excalibur moment not a sword, but an idea. Hope pulled back out of the stone a call to come together and form a new order of knights to defend the planet against the forces of darkness.This terrified jews and breadtuber Americans so badly that they slandered the entire cinematic universe and tried their best to derail and bury it all so instead of Arthurian inspired epics we get "WHAT IF TRUMP WAS LE EVIL SUPERMAN WHAT IF SUPERHEROES SAID SHIT POOP HAHAHA LE FUNNY"They've succeeded for now but in time someone will come along, a new age of heroes will rise and that good time shall come again.You can bury the sword, scatter the knights, mock the idea of sincerity but eventually someone pulls Excalibur out of the stone again.When that happens, all this ironic, disposable capeshit is going to look exactly like what it is...A dark age.
>>220256793Because they can't seem to be able to do anything with the very question they ask ("wot if sooperman bad?"). The result is a 5 season long limbo where fuck all happens.
>>220260258>WHAT IF TRUMP WAS LE EVIL>WHAT IF>IF
