The standards were just lower back then. All you had to do to deliver a "great" performance was say cunt and do a silly thing with your tongue while reading lines. The movie does nothing special, nothing groundbreaking, nothing exceptionally well. It didn't influence the artform in any way. It's just boomerslop.

>>220265273
>I truly don't get it.
That's because you are a retarded jeet. Stick to eating shit.

What thrillers do you like better?

>>220265273
female viewers self-insert as foster's character and hopkins makes them wet

>>220265273
It takes awhile to brew in your head but you will find out why it has meme status (in the best way possible) after awhile

>>220265273
>I was deeply offended by Buffalo Bill because I'm a tranny but I'm afraid to mention that so I'll just pretend to hate something else

>>220265273
Your steady diet of microplastics and estrogen has left you incapable of feeling anything other than rage or mild amusement, as well as incapable of paying attention to anything longer than a youtube short. For those of us without brain damage it's excellent at building suspense and tension.

The close ups of the face were somewhat new so I could see why people think it's a product of the times but it's a really good crime thriller in any era.

It vibes.

>>220265414
spbp
/thread

>>220265415
Prisoners

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>>220265273
> >bog-standard thriller
It’s only the “standard” because it invented half the tropes the thrillers have used since.

>>220267006
Such as?

>>220265273
I do actually think SotL is overrated. (In particular, they spoiled Lecter by dumbing down his dialogue.) But even so, it's still pretty good.

>one of those boomer "good for its time" movies that would get like a 6 today.
Do you really think films are getting better? Hahahahahahahaha.

As far as serial killer movies it's at the top with Memories of Murder and Zodiac.

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>doesn't understand what paving the way is
>"b-but the acting is bad"
what kind of ass criticism is that? are you a jeet or a tranny

Lecter was frequently parodied by comedians, because it was seen as hammy even at the time. Buffalo Bill was really good though, especially his "Goodbye Horses" scene.

>>220265273
>with terrible acting
Yeah, nah. Hopkins and Foster alone have more presence than their modern equiivalents would, and Ted Levine was creepy as Buffalo Bill, whereas modern Bill would just be some crossdressing misunderstood anarchist with a lip pearcing.

>>220267006
>invented
you mean stole from Hitchcock?

>>220265273
it's not a groundbreaking plot or anything but it's very competently done

>>220265273
You are right about the plot being just ok and nothing special, and there are some questionable acting choices, but Hopkins acting was great overall and carries the movie.
It's definitely very overrated but I would say it hits 7/10 mark.

>>220267137
Films are certainly NOT getting better but if SOTL came out today it would be on fucking Tubi and no one would care. It's very much "good for its time" and actual good movies are not that.

Actual good movies could release whenever and they'd still be massively successful. Another anon brought up Memories of Murder and Zodiac and those are two great examples of what I mean. They haven't aged because they're timeless great films that live up to their reputation.

Good movie. Maybe not Oscar tier like it was but it's still good.

as opposed to the shitty one shot take with horrible acting, choreography and cgi slop tier movies that are being churned out these days. yeah you're right buddy

>>220265273
>grok please create a thread.
>pick a popular movie
>now say it wasn't great and the generation that experienced it is out of touch
>good now post it

>>220265382
Are you a great, big fat person?

>>220265273
>>considered one of the greats
now go back and read and watch most "greats" and realize how shit they are, and that the west is heavily biased towards legacy.

>>220265382
I agree they just wanna glorify eating people and feel sophisticated about it

>>220268991
>if SOTL came out today it would be on fucking Tubi and no one would care
If it came out today it would be seen as JK Rowling tier hate propaganda.

>>220265273
It was a right time, right place movie. The actors were the main attraction. Hopkins and Foster dominated an otherwise mundane murder mystery story. The cannibalism and transsexual elements of the story was novel at the time. The internet didn't work back then.

>>220265382
>The standards were just lower back then
>>220265273
These criticisms may be on point, but the implication that movies today are better is hilarious.
>>220266696
>Villenueveslop
Now it makes sense. These kids think Villeneuve's a good director. hahaha. Should be a good thread lol.

>>220265273
Name a better written strong female character than agent Starling. She didnt require a gun or be able to fight a man to be able to be seen as competent and capable.

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>>220265273
They needed a scene where Jodie Foster got naked to get into a bathtub or something, how do they expect me to cheer for a female protagonist without seeing her naked?

>>220265273
It seems bog standard to you now because people have been copying it for 35 years

>>220265273
that was back when the world was still sane i.e. every single person got repulsed by trannies

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>>220269696
Nigga she gets cum thrown on her face, what else could you ask for?

>>220269372
>Hopkins and Foster dominated an otherwise mundane murder mystery story.
Ted Levine is better than either of them.

>>220265273
Manhunter was better. Silence is basically an action movie, especially when early 90s Anthony Hopkins is able to break out like he's the fucking Joker.

>>220265273
2nd movie is way better honestly with Hannibal ripping the shit out of everything and everyone, kino sequel, 3rd was complete ass though

It's great. Somehow they made characters looking into the camera work perfectly in a creepy way.

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>Sir I'm with the FIB, have you seen OP recently?
>No... Oh wait, was he a great big retarded person?

>>220270426
You just have to do 200 takes

>>220270343
>Bowels in, or bowels out?
>Gary Oldman as hambuger head
>That Ray Liotta scene
Yeah, it was kino

>>220265273
What it really needed was gay unrealistic neon lights and an unfitting synth-rock soundtrack then it would have been as good as Manhunter.

>eating human meat is le BAD!

>>220265273
stop being brown.

>>220265273
Was thinking the same. The show with Mads as Hannibal is much better.

>>220265382
>The standards were just lower back then
I'm not going to take the bait. But if I were to take the bait, I would probably say something about CGI, flat lighting, muted colors, casting and content of modern movies, constant remakes, and so on.

>>220271138
No, he's right. The standards were lower back then.
>CGI, flat lighting, muted colors, casting and content of modern movies, constant remakes
90% non-arguments.

>>220269412
>These kids think Villeneuve's a good director
He absolutely is.

Mid as fuck. Yes, Jodie was cute, and Hopkins played a fine Dr. Lecter, but that's where the praise ends. The plot was barebones, the side characters may as well have not existed, there's absolutely retarded shit in there like Lecter literally skinsuiting a guy, though, its worst offense ought to be the cartoonish ending with the phone call, holy capeshit!

>>220267128
Wearing the skin of someone else's face to get out of a jam.

>>220267006
I'd like to spend the rest of my life doing that too but have you ever met highschoolers? They're pretty apathetic and don't care so much about the financial state the place they're working at so as long as they can still cash in

>>220265430
Although no woman would ever admit it, this is sadly the inconvenient truth

i love Silence of the Lambs. It is so good.

>>220265273
It was exciting for the time but the things it was popular for have since been utterly superseded by True Detective S1 and arguably even the first two seasons of Fargo and some other "golden age" prestige streaming shows, Billy Bob is straight up better performancewise as Lorne Malvo than Hopkins was at Lecter, it's hammy by modern standards. 90s flicks had this campy theatrical energy that is charming but plenty of it doesn't hold up.

It's best known for the line "Hello clarice" which is not even in the film. Audiences are retarded.

>>220265273
OP is a seething troon

>>220273026
I thought it was global warming

the irony of this zoomer bait premise is that SotL invented modern cinematography…

https://youtu.be/jUjxC3fCt-c

insert close-up’s into facial close-up’s.

>>220269412
>but the implication that movies today are better is hilarious.
They are.

>>220265273
Lecter's escape was capeshit tier and out of place

>>220265415
Manhunter by a long shot.

>>220267175
It's not.

What's this
>>220265494
>>220265512
>>220267188
>>220270801
>>220274278
type of mental illness called?

>>220265273
>>220265273
>>bog-standard thriller movie with terrible acting
>>considered one of the greats
>I truly don't get it. It seems like one of those boomer "good for its time" movies that would get like a 6 today.
Have you seen The DaVinci Code?

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>>220274944
strong as i am and in-a-gadda-da-vida pilled

>>220274023
Have you seen/heard the musical? The songs are perfect.

>>220265273
>>220265382
faggots

>>220265415
Shutter island

>>220265273
Gayest, contrarian thread on /tv/ right now.

I swear, none of the plebs defending this mid have ever watched anything that isn't entry-level filmbro slop.

>>220265273
>t. assmad they made the killer a deranged tranny like ximself

>>220276081
WE AH DOOLY APPOINNED FEDERUHL MAHSHULS

>>220265382
true
lecter's entire personality is spouting bad words like a child thinking it's cool

>>220265273
>>220276183
Just don't cut it off, it's not worth it

>>220274944
manhunter falls apart right during the end. noonan is fucking great and next to cox the only saving grace really.

>>220265273
I'm watching it now. It is the exact opposite of everything you wrote pajeeet bro.

>>220270597
yeah, great movie but that soundtrack aged like milk.

>>220278117
It's a mid case of the week crime procedural, nigga. And I don't even mind the feminism or attempts to separate Buffalo Bill from transgenderism (in some cases the differentiation is probably correct, considering not all transgenders are the same). But it's not a good movie. Calling OP pajeet over it is like saying white people love mediocre shit.

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>>220274823
lololololol

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>>220265382
I'd argue the standards were higher back then due to the frequent basis in which good films used to come out. You could argue this was a "mid" film when it came out. Compared to modern stuff? It's better than alternatives, and that's with all of the tropes and cliches that could make it seem standard.

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>>220280358
Bruv. Here's three seasons of gloriously shitting on Silence of the Lambs.
>Compared to modern stuff?
Even worse. Get your head out of your ass.

>>220280551
>cashgrab shit based on og masterpiece
Yawn

>>220280551
Hannibal was overstylized trash

>>220280662
>>220280673
>better leads, better visual design, better cases
It shits on the the little lambs from space.

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>>220280700
You are either too old to play opposite day or too young to post here

>>220280551
Nigga.. just no

I don’t understand what “bog standard” means. How many types of bogs are there?

Many boomer movies that are supposedly masterpieces are overrated crap like Star Wars Jurassic Park or the Godfather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMCzRj3Syg

>>220280904
^AI written bait

>>220280904
Name a zoomer film that's better

>>220280921
>better
lmao, more like name a zoomer movie that is 1/20 as good

>>220280921
>>220280948
Any movie is better Dahmer show is better than this crap movie

>>220280979
lmao

>>220265273
The film has terrific set design and lighting. The score is pretty memorable, too. I found Hopkins as Lecter too hammy, though. I prefer Brian Cox in Manhunter.

>>220265273
The real Hopkins Lecter kino is Red Dragon
Norton's chemistry with Hopkins is superior

>terrible acting

Assuming this is a troll thread, I'm just going to go out on a limb and also assume OP is a candy ass roody poo.

>>220281418
Hopkins is hammier than Cox but he also has a stronger presence/more aura. Cox was a bit too pedestrian.

>>220269361
trvke
We’d get multiple threads a day with pictures of Buffalo Bill saying
>WAS (X)HE BASED /TV/?

>>220265273
>>bog-standard thriller movie
I don't think there are many "bog-standard thriller movies" with a scene where a schizo guy flings his cum at the heroine though? Is that really "bog-standard" to you?

>>220283904
>...and then he flings his CUM at her!!!1!
Holy f*cking shitballs! Don't let mom see this one!

>>220271212
Superman 2025 is one of the ugliest shot movies of all time and received high acclaim.
>>220274263
“It puts the lotion in the basket” is probably the best known line.
>>220274823
Project Hail Mary is a very safe, unoriginal story and is only so successful because it is the best movie to have come out in years

>>220284483
Yeah, bro. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a scene in Devil Wears Prada 2 where Stanley Tucci flings his cum at Emily Blunt.

>>220274643
>Silence of the Lambs invented close-ups
That is the most excellent bait I've ever scene on /tv/. You perfectly captured the spirit of the Youtube intellectual who was born in 2008 and knows nothing about film.

Well done. Seriously.

>>220277635
>manhunter falls apart right during the end.
Because production fell apart at the end. The final shootout was filmed by like 10 people, including the actors, because the crew was let go.

> It didn't influence the artform in any way
While its true that Dirty Harry inaugurated the genre, SoTL is the basis in which all modern thrillers are made. Zodiac, se7en, etc. Even videogames like heavy rain. All SoTL wannabes.

The rhythm and musicality of the editing is great. One of the best actually. The ominous rhythm and feel is always imitated but never surpassed.

As someone that has read the book, the movie is superior, if only because it has better symbolism.
In the movie, her core memory is that she sees the lamb killing, she tried to save a lamb, and couldn't
In the book she just sees the lamb killing and steals a horse and runs away

>>220265273
Still a great one time watch but nothing to come back to!

>>220265273
A horror movie (or actor in it) winning an Oscar is extremely rare, so that sets it apart. And its influence is clear, since so many other films of this type have copied it ever since.

>>220285362
>extremely rare
That's an understatement. This is the ONLY such film to win an Oscar.

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>>220283652
>candy ass roody poo
heh. now there's a term I haven't heard in these here parts in a long time...

>>220265273
Manhunter mogs it to oblivion, Hopkins is its only real strength

>>220284543
>it is the best movie to have come out in years
JC, just imagine the others.
I guess everthing else was made by zack snyder

>>220285475
>Gargling gay noises: the post

because Jodie Foster is fucking awesome
you can tell the most basic boring story ever but if you have good cast it's gonna be great
Jodie Foster and Ted Levine rock so of course they made amazing movie

>>220285381
>This is the ONLY such film to win an Oscar.
Well maybe best picture Oscar, yes. But Weapons won an acting Oscar just last year.

>>220285494
>it is the best movie to have come out in years
That’s not exactly the flex you think it is, anon. Theatrical releases have been a content slurry pipeline for half a decade. Being “the best in years” in 2025 just means it cleared the limbo bar Hollywood buried underground.

Project Hail Mary is fine. It’s competent. It has a beginning, middle, and end and doesn’t look like it was pre-vis’d entirely in Unreal by interns. That alone makes people act like it reinvented cinema. Standards are in the toilet.

If that’s your benchmark then yeah, I can see why SoTL looks like some untouchable monolith to zoomers. Try watching more than capeshit and Netflix sludge and maybe “best in years” won’t mean “didn’t actively insult me for 2 hours.”

>>220285582
Winning oscars has no meaning nowadays, if ever.

>>220285724
It's still an awful cringe movie with awful cringe characters, millennial writing and funko pops.

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>>220284696
that makes sense then. i mean, its still a good film, much better than the cheesy remake that is only interesting for lecter. and it also has a boring tattoo design compared to manhunter

>>220284543
>the best movie to have come out in years
you dont watch many movies then

>>220286130
It's just as bad as the other modern movies

>>220275384
Being a hotheaded teen.

>>220265273
Media push at the time was ridiculous wankery like it was the Second Coming of Christ. Foster is overrated because some faggot tried to kill the president over her and she's a filthy fucking dyke.

One of those situations where everyone has somehow decided for you that the Emperor's New Clothes are awesome with the 'best performances evar!' before anyone has actually even seen it. I can't believe people fell for that kind of bullshit then, and still can't.

>>220287109
Gonna have to disagree with about Foster being overrated. Have you seen Panic Room (for example)? She was good in that too, and Panic Room has pretty much flown completely under the radar for the most part since it's release. I think what you meant to say was "SotL is overrated", and maybe it is to a certain extent because of how many people praise it. But that doesn't take away from the performances of Foster and Hopkins.

>>220265273
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me

>>220267006
The feeling of 地味 seems unfortunately lacking in a good English equivalent. The sense of "they aren't bombshell pretty, but are maybe all the more attractive in their own right for being unassuming and humble in their appearance" comes across through the context, but it never feels right to see it translated as just 'plain'. It seems quite cultural that ordinariness, shyness and lack of flash is seen as a potential positive so much, in a similar way to how retaining crocked teeth there is seen as a cute thing, where straightening them could come off as unnecessarily prideful dedication to altering your appearance.

>>220265273
This movie earned those accolades on shock value. No one had ever done anything like this before, maybe Pulp Fiction.

The musical is awesome to the max!

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>>220279794
trvke

>>220265430
Only because of Multiple Migs

>>220284543
>Project Hail Mary
>the best movie to have come out in years
You plebs, you.

>>220295321
Pleb is an understatement, that movie visually castrated my eyeballs, I hope whoever was involved in the production of the worst thing I've seen this year gets molested by a pack of jackalopes with aids, complete fucking garbage

>>220295692
>who is Greig Fraser?

>>220295745
I googled it, its a few shitty science fiction movies mixed with some other things , I would say could be worse but since he's part of this too that's not the case anymore

>>220276055
*faggot
It's a blatant samefag

Did the 90s have many effed up movies like Silence of Lambs or Se7en? What about the underground ones which were popular in like 70s and 2000s?

>>220265273
>that would get like a 6 today.
Horseshit. Name one thriller made from within the last 5 years that's even half as good as SotL.

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>>220265273
>bog-standard

>>220296342
He SUCKS.

>>220296575
>Name one thriller made from within the last 5 years that's even half as good as SotL.
Too easy. Red Rooms.

>>220265273
>with terrible acting
fuck off, you fucking faggot piece of shit

>>220296727
Yeah but especially because of hail mary unless theres something he made thats somehow worse but thats pretty impressive if thats the case

>>220270054
based I've actually been getting the itch to watch this again since I've been watching Monk

>>220297000
The Batman?

>>220265273
women

Haven't read the thread but I'll give my two cents. It was an era of slasher flicks and this came out to be a psychological thriller that many weren't prepared for. It was groundbreaking and went against the mainstream horror machine.

>>220297127
It was ok , my biggest issue was what they did with penguin and catwoman because they were my favorites from the original batman movies, an average movie but not eye-burning reddit jokes for 2 hours like hail mary

>>220296511
Hardcore came out in the 70s, my man.

>>220296575
For half as good as SOTL your u have Longlegs

>>220297244
Yeah they somehow made quite a few in the 70s and if they made them into vhs in the 80s, someone could very well believe they found a snuff film because it would be harder to check for authenticity.

In 2000s there was not that much of a mystery of what is real but the torture porn thing resurfaced. I guess "underground" was a wrong term but I just meant they weren't as mainstream always.

>>220265273
>with terrible acting
By fucking who?
> "good for its time" movies that would get like a 6 today.
anything that was "good for its time" is a 12 compared to the slop coming out today.

>>220297184
Fraser somehow managed to make 200 million dollars look like 30 or so. The movie as a whole is forgettable. Felt like a shitty Netflix Daredevil rip-off.

>>220265273

>>bog-standard thriller movie

So much more than I could ask for now


>with terrible acting

Good acting is for allistic normies

>>220265273

Every time I go on a date and the girl starts talking about her other girl friends, I say "Was she a great big fat person" in the Buffalo Bill voice.

Only one has gotten the reference out of like 50 girls.

>>220296575
Every single Saulnier mogs this shit to hell.

>>220297421
Forgettable is the word yeah, but when a movie is really bad it pisses me off, which is what i put hail mary in, its a special category of garbage

>>220297612
fuck no

>>220297718
I haven't seen it yet. Not sure if I ever will. Gosling fatigue, Fraser fatigue, can't stand the directors, and I don't care for its particular type of Sci-Fi.
>>220297850
Fuck yes.

>>220297885
Please dont, its a complete waste of time and every cent you give to these bastards will make them make even more movies

>>220297885
Jeremy Saulnier has two movies that could be even vaguely compared to SotL, and out of the two, only one is even worthwhile (Blue Ruin), but they don't outdo Silence in any way.
Maybe you could compare them to the lesser Hannibal movies but even then I'm not sure.

>>220298002
Everything he's done (except for fucking Murder Party) is better than SotL. Yes, even the Netflix ones.

>>220276033
no that sounds gay

>>220265273
>good movie was... le bad, actually
riveting

>>220298290
If only that wasn't being done to every single newly released movie...

>>220298054
It's fine to hold that opinion but you'll be hard pressed to find many people that share it. I'd argue Craig Zahler is better just for his viscerality and he's also not on a level above SotL.

>establish that she never checks her corners
>expect a bit later on where buffalo bill traps her or assaults her from behind a corner that we just saw she never checks
>it doesn't happen
Very strange moment

>>220298411
Tell me how I know you don't give a single shit about substance and judge them purely on how they are culturally regarded (up to a certain temporal cutoff point, of course) and how they were photographed.
>does it have cult status established before 20XX?
>does it look like what I used to watch growing up?

>I'd argue Craig Zahler is better just for his viscerality and he's also not on a level above SotL.
Zahler does a whole different kind of thing. If he ever did a serial killer film, it would be nothing like SotL. And of course he's on a level above SotL (or Demme). He writes, directs, and composes, and does all that on tiny to small budgets. Saulnier's viscerality is more effective than anything in SotL. There's predictability in the serial killer setting. It's extremely boring, to be honest. Saulnier's settings are rural civilization crumbling. Hold the Dark, perhaps his weakest (serious) entry, still has a ton of haunting scenes to stick with you. SotL has what? Wolf pelt > human skin.

>>220265415
Spoorloos

>>220298700
I could give a fuck about how culturally regarded they are. You gave an example of a relatively unknown (to the masses) director and so did I.
I just don't see any of Sauliner's movies being superior to SotL.
Fincher would be a more worthwhile comparison, but at that point it's kind of redundant to debate which effective movie was better than the other.

>>220265273
I watch bog standard crime movies on tv all the time and this is false

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Buffalo Bill wasn't a real tranny. He just thought he was cause he was crzay. Real trans would never do like that. Also, it take a women to really solve the crime while all the dumb men misunderestimate her.

>>220299213
>Buffalo Bill wasn't a real tranny. He just thought he was cause he was crzay.
Just like real life.

>>220265273
It's a great movie and manhunter is even better

>>220274263
why did we all think that line was in the movie? Is it from a trailer or something?

>>220265273
i think you're a stink ditch thats mad that the movie rightly portrays trannies as dangerous nut jobs. I mean, you have to be to have a delusion that you're a different sex. We used to treat that dysphoria with anti-psychotics.

>>220298908
>SotL
It's literally smut for foids, for fuck's sake.

>>220301446
>the movie rightly portrays trannies as dangerous nut jobs
It doesn't, though. Lecter explicitly tells Clarice (the audience) that Buffalo Bill is not transgender, which is why he was rejected by the hospitals. The movie is pro-trans for all the observant viewer can tell.
>He tells her that Buffalo Bill has come to believe he is transsexual, despite this self-diagnosis being consistently deemed false by doctors, leading to his rejection for sexual reassignment surgery by multiple hospitals