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It's not necessarily that bringing Palpatine back was a bad thing, it's that all of the how's of the process were completely glossed over. Combine that with Isaacs' flat, matter-of-fact delivery and his facial expression (you can literally see him thinking "I can't believe I have to read this shitty fucking line") and it made for a memorable moment for all the wrong reasons, rushing yet another plot along simply to get tobthe next scene, adding even more fuel to this dumpster fire of a movie.

>>220270914
>Palpatine was probably the best part
Yes.
But failing to understand why it's dumb that they not only brought him back both textually and metatexually while also not explaining how makes you dumber than the dumb movie.

>Palpatine was probably the best part
I think I have a genuine mental block for this movie. I can barely remember anything from it other than the shitty parts everyone was complaining about constantly. I think Finn met a black woman or something?

>>220270914
Imagine in the next Spider Man movie, Ned runs up to Peter to tell him somehow Doctor Octopus returned.

>>220270914
thanks for circling the subtitles
I wouldn't have been able to see them otherwise

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You really believe the problem was Poe Dameron's deliverance of the line?
This is the equivalent of erasing MCU's Kang and bringing back Robert Downey Jr: it's dumb and unnecesary and just reveals how desperate the creators are. They have zero idea on what to do and just keep rehashing the old stuff forever.
Palpatine's return should have been hinted but it made zero sense how they bring him back. Yes Ryan Johnson was dumb when killing Snoke, but the real idiots were the producers including Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams who never truly had any idea on what shape should the trilogy had.
I know the original trilogy was also constantly improvised until the last minute, but at least it is consistent from a certain point of view.

>>220270914
Because there was no foreshadowing and no explanation of how it happened. Everyone could see that they were just making shit up as they went with no overarching story plan, and that scene was just sort of the final straw.

>>220270914
>somehow, the faggot OP returned

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>>220270914
>can the Star Wars boomers please explain
No. The desire for everything in fiction to be "explained" is one of the biggest culprits for the decline of all of these franchises. If you don't have a problem with anything you mentioned, why do you need to know what the problem is? Just enjoy what you enjoy.

>>220270914
As other anon said, it's bad because Palpatine returning clearly wasn't the plan in the previous 2 movies, so it feels abrupt and lazy and haphazard. As if the "somehow" came from a rough story outline that they forgot to expand on and clarify later

>>220270914
The fact it was obviously just a contrivance born from the fact they accidentally killed off the villain in the previous film aside, it totally undermines the narrative of the previous six films.

Anakin was actually the chosen one and he does bring balance to the force when he kills The Emperor in Return of the Jedi, bringing his arc and destiny to a close.
...except, The Emperor actually survived, lol?
So none of it meant anything.

No understanding of or respect for what came before.
That's how Disney managed to kill the unkillable franchise.

no one called him palpatine in-universe
they should said
>"somehow, the emperor has returned"
or
>"somehow, sheev has returned"

>Can somebody please explain why they have a problem with a massive plot point not being explained at all? I mean, who cares?
You're incredibly stupid, otherwise this would be amazingly crafted bait.

>>220272213
Iirc the name Palpatine is never spoken in the OT but it is spoken in the prequels.

https://youtu.be/RN9msMF_psk
Can someone watch this and tell me whether it mogs Disney?

>>220272322
I tried watching it but couldn't get by the shitty voice acting

>>220270914
It should have been Rey turning to the dark side and Kylo brings her back. A complete inversion of Luke/Vader. The Last Jedi seemed to be going in that direction but backlash and nostalgia forced their hand.

>>220272319
So why would they start again?

Boomers are fake fans are out of touch and they liked the Sequels from Disney LGBT Wars

>hm how should we reveal the return of the ultimate villain of the entire franchise?
>i know! we'll have a character state it directly to camera at the start of the movie!

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>>220272799
Cause he isn't technically the Emperor anymore and the sequels were made after the prequels

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>>220270914
>why "somehow Palpatine returned" is such a bad line

Show, don't tell. The "somehow Palp returned" is just lazy, soulless, and incompetent writing, which is essentially a summary of the entire Disney Star Wars catalog.

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>>220272906
What about the Fortnite event?

>>220272947
All they had to do here was say "this appears to be the only way in or out" and it would have been overall less dumb

>>220270914
The only way to save star wars is to bring back jabba the hut to fuck rey in her tight ass for two hours straight

>>220272906
Palpatine was revealed on camera during the intro with Kylo before this though

>>220272976
What Fortnite event? I have to play Fortnite to understand a fucking movie now? Put it in the trash, any movie that requires some gay children's game tie-in to understand one of its primary plot points is worthless.

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I thought it was just weird he said Palpatine and not "The Emperor" His generation wouldn't have known him as Palpatine considering no one ever referred to his name like that during Luke's generation.

>>220272213
>>"somehow, sheev has returned"
No one called him Sheev out loud in ANY movie, that's even worse. You only know that name because of Wookieepedia autists who dig up pointless trivia from outside sources.

>>220272976
>sheevs broadcast that is only mentioned in the opening crawl in the movie is in Fortnite
This would have been like releasing the Tantive IV raid in episode 4 on the Atari 2600 and not in the movie itself

>>220272570
That's still a redemption. An inversion of Luke/Vader would be something like the Emperor/Horus, where the subject reveals themselves to be simply a piece of shit who must be killed.

>>220272213
somehow,buddy returned

>>220270914
Because the film refused to give a definitive explanation. It just has a visibly uncomfortable actor sigh and hand wave it and a hobbit who we’ve never seen before says a couple of maybes. Then that’s it.
Also bringing him back at all completely undoes the two trilogy arc of Anakin being the chosen one who eventually brought balance by killing the emperor

>>220272213
What? He’s called Palpatine in all three prequels and in The Last Jedi. He’s never been referred to as Sheev in a single film though

>Conjuring starships

>>220273087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0ejXC7kFs

>>220270914
because the films were just
>le subvert expectations
and never set up anything or explain anything
>yeah that guy died, but he's back, because ah, reasons

>>220273498
>Palpatine is resurrected in between movies by a fucking live service video game event
This is the gayest shit I've ever heard of. How will people watch these movies 30 years from now when all that information is inaccessible? This is even worse than Episode 3 assuming you've watched the Clone Wars cartoon.

That scene is so retarded lmao. Gandalf returning is fine though

>>220270914
>can the Star Wars boomers please explain why "somehow Palpatine returned" is such a bad line?
It's bad because it looks like they when wrote/filmed the scene they were sure how he returned so they added the "somehow" part to it. Oscar Isaacs dull line read and his *sigh* before speaking clearly shows the actors frustration with the entire thing.
Characters thought dead return in media all the time. But normally it's in ways like
>another character saw the supposed dead character
>dead character suddenly unmasks or appears on a video screen to the shock of all
>character does something heroic or evil, making his return epic

>>220273653
Gandalf literally explains how he returned. With Palpatine it's merely speculated about
>secrets only the Sith knew, even though I seem to also know about them

>>220273601
That's all disney does. Marvel and Star wars are set up that you need to watch all the shows or nothing makes sense. In between season 2 and season 3 of mandalorian required you to watch the diarrhea show that was boba fett, because it included a major plot point, but not until the last episode or something.

>>220270914
if you cant tell why its ridiculously poor writing, then wait until youre a teenager. itll be obvious then

>>220270914
If you used a line like "somehow, character returned" in any level of writing course (including high school tier) you would instantly fail.

I honestly cant believe such a line made it into an actual film, let alone a high budget one. It truly shows how rotten to the core the industry is.

>>220273403
This was also pretty fucking stupid
>I’m alive!
>And for my next trick, I’ll pull an entire fucking fleet of Star Destroyers with Death Star planet-killing superlasers out of the ground, but keep them all planetside instead of going into space for some reason. I hope they don’t get stuck here and destroyed, that would be pretty embarrassing.
By the next trilogy they’ll have superlaser blasters.

>>220276373
>why didn't they just use these in the past, instead of bothering with a death star that took like 25 years to make?
>umm, LOOK, WELL THEY JUST DIDN'T, OKAY!?
Disney has some really top-tier writers on board

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>>220276373
The fictional explanation in other media is that Palpatine didn't conjure those ships out of nowhere, rather the population of "Sith cultists" on that planet spent decades building them. The guys filling the stadium around the final battle.
The movie of course failed to touch on this

>>220276521
Why does palpatine still look like this? He looked like a normal guy in the prequels until he got lazered up my windu, so ostensibily he usually looked normal and then in that incarnation he got maimed. So if he re-incarnated why wouldn't he reincarnate as a buff young chad or something, why would he come back looking like a blob monster still

>>220277605
I think the implication was he was either using force powers or just actual makeup and shit to hide his real appearance, and he just made that excuse to stop bothering

OP is brown

>>220270914
Are you retarded? It's funny because of how unceremonious it is despite being possibly the most important thing to ever happen. The "correct" way to do it would have been as a twist at the end of movie 2 or something.

>>220277605
The snokes are all ugly as shit too, I think it’s a dark side thing. Though it might be because Vader killed him and he needed to juice up on the Reylo soul bond to heal

>>220270914
>can the Star Wars boomers please explain why "somehow Palpatine returned" is such a bad line?
Lazy storytelling, the literal incarnation of the term "Tell, Don't Show", which is an insult to the audience.

Goe do these movies cost so fucking much if they looked like low budget streaming slop and had no major battle sequences?

>>220272947
>that pic
A prescient and perceptive representation of the unreliability of ai

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>>220270914
If you can't see how this artistically bankrupt garbage then there's no hope for you. Companies like Disney aren't capable of making fun and interesting stories anymore. They are run by soulless corporate pricks who hire talentless mercenaries to write slop that is often laced with unhinged current year college level politics.

>>220270914
it's the archboomer equivalent of "a wizard did it!"

not even midichlorians were this bad as an explanation

>>220270914
It summarizes how stupid the entire movie is. His delivery is also really funny.

>>220278794
>sith values
this always makes me chuckle, it sounds so stupid and mundane. sith teachings or ways of the sith would have been better

>>220271403
come to think of it, does the audience really find out about palpatine being back from him? some random sequel trilogy side character mentioning it??

why couldnt they just keep it secret until the final 1/3rd of the movie, and then play the emperor's theme while rey is spelunking in old tombs, and then palpatine reveals himself there?? like they could even play around with it, like rey thinking its a force-induced illusion or ghost or something. if anything that could have been more interesting, like have palpatine come back as a corrupted force ghost, like a obi wan did but a lot more violent and demonic

did not see the movie so i might be retarded

>>220278931
He's in the prologue when Kylo goes to see him, but there's no excuse given as to why the Emperor is still alive until that line in the op.

>>220278794
makes me laugh every time, based elijah

>>220270914
It's a meta admission of defeat about how they couldn't think of any other ideas or how to justify it.

>>220270914
It's sarcastic as by this point, the Star Wars writers gave up because of all your complaints, and are just feeding you the pure shitslop you've grown to love from the EU books.

Hence resurrecting and cloning the Emperor over and over after killing him, once and for all, as a satisfying conclusion to the previous story, for you, the Droolers Enfanboi.

It happened because you drool and go OH WOW. No story ever truly ends. Not in the good way, but in the crap all over the previous ending way because you droool and woowowie!

If you still watch Nu Wars you enjoy this Rey is Canon for Nu Wars

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Somehow, dinosaurs returned...

>>220279028
Never forget! They invented midichorians to crap all over the mystery of The Force, for the Droolers Enfanboi.

Never forget, they imported wirefu for you, the Droolers Enfanboi.

>>220278970
They never actually give a reason why he's back or how he came back in the movie, it's just "uhhh the force works in mysterious ways lol".

>>220276373
No anon, you forgot that they were trapped on the planet because of the storms, but there was a safe path through the storms that apparently was mapped out eons ago in a Sith Holocron because apparently on Exegol storms and cloud patterns don't fluctuate at all so the path has remained safe for tens of thousands of years, but instead of mapping it out and giving those directions to every single Star Destroyer in the fleet, only a single Star Destroyer out of thousands had the instructions and was just broadcasting it to the entire fleet so the rebels were just able to destroy that one ship and then the entire fleet was stuck there forever.
Never mind that the rebels were able to get through themselves and just appeared out of hyperspace in the middle of the planet because we've previously established that hyperspace can ignore even planetary shields, shut up and stop asking questions.

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>>220279150
>he doesnt know about the Whills

>>220279142
Just use the claw and the scene is fine. I’ll never be convinced that this movie wasn’t tanked on purpose.

>>220274931
>gandalfs explanation
>uhhhh god said it wasn’t time or something
Bravo Tolkien

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>>220279431

>the emperor came back to life in fortnite and then hatched a plan to become a woman

>>220279518
so why dismiss it so easy?

>>220279499
Gandalf's immortal and basically the LOTR equivalent of an angel when you get down to it, so "God said I still got shit to do" seems like a pretty reasonable explanation in that case.

>>220272213
>somehow, old ass pale wrinkly nigga returned

>>220279518
>m-muh space wizard movie intended for children
yeah, MANchildren

>>220279518
>Children love the minutiae of taxation and trade disputes

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>>220270914
SOMEHOW

>>220271403
>Combine that with Isaacs' flat, matter-of-fact delivery and his facial expression (you can literally see him thinking "I can't believe I have to read this shitty fucking line")
This. It's the delivery of the line. It's fucking funny as shit and you can see how soul crushing it is for him.

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>>220270914
I like TROS so much that I actually rewatch it on its own sometimes. Adam Driver delivers a solid performance. I've always liked Daisy Ridley. And even Harrison Ford made me feel a little bit when he appeared. Luke comes back and uses the Force as a ghost I think? Babu Frick was fun. And the final action scene when the whole galaxy shows up to save the day is legitimately emotional. As someone who is more of a C3P0 than a real human, I liked that he had a moment of heroism, perhaps one of the biggest moments of heroism in the whole series. He faces down death fearlessly like the Golden God that the Ewoks knew he was.
>Picrel It's me, fuck you, you Sith lovers. TROS is such a pro-Jedi movie that it's ridiculous. The Light Side of the Force is absolutely stronger, as Master Yoda said. May the Fourth be With You.

I'm still in awe how Star Wars as a brand got completely ruined in record time by Disney.

>>220279657
It just shows how unprofessional Oscar Isaac truly is and why he is nowhere to be seen anymore. You get paid more than some people see in a lifetime to deliver a line in a fantasy movie, try not to act like such a douche about it.

>>220279674
>And the final action scene when the whole galaxy shows up to save the day is legitimately emotional.
Disgust is an emotion, I suppose.

>already know the movie is going to be a disaster
>a billion dollar brand, ruined
>get called to reshoots
>fly halfway around the world
>read the new script
>this is how they're fixing it
loool

>>220270914
It was the laziest shit ever to bring him back, and also completely undoes Anakin’s whole arc throughout Episode 1 - 6. They panicked and hit the button to bring McDiarmid back (who’s probably the only watchable thing about 9) and then basically didn’t explain how except for ‘Somehow…’.

You have an iconic villain of about 30+ years of cinema who is not only brought back but his return explained in about 20 seconds of clunky dialogue. It’s completely insulting to the fanbase and reveals something even more insulting: these fucking retards jumped feet first into a new trilogy without any sort of plan.

The very decision to bring back Palpatine voids the entire arc running through the prequels and then the OT. 20 seconds of dialogue because a studio panicked at their retardation has undone a story thread through nearly thirty years of story telling.

>>220279712
Good triumphs over evil, sometimes against impossible odds. Yeah, how disgusting. What a terrible message in this day and age.

I still cannot believe how they completely ruined this shit. They just couldn't help themselves. They wanted to woke it up. They wanted a strong female protagonist in the biggest white nerd franchise to ever exist.
Why the fuck would you do that? Why the fuck would you prioritize your retarded agenda over the billions of dollars you could've made in perpetuity?

>>220279745
You lost me at Episode 1.

>>220279762
How was it impossible odds, they literally only had to destroy a single star destroyer and they somehow managed to summon infinity million ships to do it.
Shit bait but I still responded so enjoy your (you)

>>220279745
If you take Star Wars too seriously its your fault its not real what does it matter if Palpatine is resurrected? the important thing is to be entertained Darth Maul will survive his second death in Rebels its the fault of the Lorefags who cant have any fun

>>220279807
Your bait is very impressive, you must be very proud.

>>220279782
Palpatine had absurd lightning energy at his disposal, whatever I know I won't convince you but if you look at it with good faith like you weirdos do with those terrible prequels, if you suspend your disbelief Palpatine had a fleet large enough to absolutely rule the galaxy forever. I guess I just like stories where tyranny loses. I don't care about stupid "Greek tragedies" written by idiots where the bad guy wins due to all the good guys having force-induced brain fog.

>>220279745
>have a new villain pair in Snoke/Kylo
>show them both to be a complete fucking joke that nobody can take seriously
>oh fuck it's the third movie already, shit we have no villains left
>uhhhh fuck it people remember the emperor right, who gives a shit, the fans are still going to watch it
There was no more thought put into bringing Palpatine back than the writers hoping the audience would go "HOLY SHIT WOW IT'S PALPATINE I REMEMBER HIM"

>>220270914
Somehow, Palpatine had sex…

>>220279856
More Canon than the EU Rey is

well they did explain it. it was a cloning. movie still was a massive mess and a shitty retread of ROTJ

>>220270914
Because Poe's body language is of annoyance, not fear. He's reacting like a Rick and Morty character who knows he's in a movie and is annoyed by a plot beat. A real person in this situation would be terrified.

Reminder that the Skywalker line is dead and got usurped by the Palpatines.

>>220279840
Hard to suspend my disbelief about his galaxy-ruling fleet when they're too incompetent to work out how to get off the planet without a map.
>all the good guys having force-induced brain fog
Every character in the sequel trilogy has this, good or bad. We're supposed to believe the First Order are capable of taking over the galaxy in a weekend but then they still fall victim to Poe literally calling them up and going
>hey is your fridge running

>Somehow, anons are defending the Prequels.
It begins.

>>220279856
Thank you for your service, anon.

>>220279920
I don't rewatch TLJ but one time I was on an unspecified substance and laughed my ass off at that entire movie, I was laughing with it. It's absolutely a misunderstood comedy. Yoda showing up and acting like a goofball is so Light Side its ridiculous.

To be fair, I am not gonna defend every stupid thing about the sequels. I just enjoy Rise of Skywalker in a "good guys win and it's uplifting because fuck you that's why" kind of Romantic Comedy sort of way. That's all lol.

>>220279891
>desperately try to rebrand episode 1-9 as "The Skywalker Saga"
>no Skywalkers appear in episode 7 outside of a last-minute cameo by Luke
>all Skywalkers are dead by the end of episode 8
>episode 9 just has a character take the name up in literally the last few seconds of the film for no fucking reason

I meant the sequels. I'll show myself out.

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Whats the point of reading all these books if none of it is Canon? none of it appears in the movies and shows and besides many elements of the EU have aged terribly it was Peak Boomer fantasy the EU is better off dead lets pretend it never existed

>>220279990
The amount of plot points in TLJ that are just rehashes of Spaceballs jokes are uncanny, it has to have been intentional.
>Snoke's ship is unfeasibly oversized, just like Spaceball One
>"oh no we're out of space gas" despite fuel never being mentioned as a concept in SW
>"take that ridiculous mask off, how do I know you're not making faces at me behind it"
>Finn and whatsherface get arrested for illegal parking
I know there's more but I can't recall them all right now. Then there's also the ironing scene straight up referencing Hardware Wars.

>>220280024
Because some of them are decent, who gives a fuck what the house of mouse says is canon or not. Their canon is all gay shit anyway.

>>220279710
Did you miss Frankenstein, Dune, Beef, Spider-Verse, The Card Counter, Addams Family 2, Scenes from a Marriage, and Moon Knight? All of which were since Rise of Skywalker

>>220279657
>>220271403
>it's soul crushing for isaacs

Headcanon. In a recent interview he revealed it was during a reshoot and he didn't think much of it. It was just a tuesday. He was more bothered by the wig that he had to wear and hoped that nobody would notice that it was reshoots. There were no feelings of creative integrity, he is just a normie whore like everyone else in the cast.

>>220279999
The real skywalkers were the friends we made along the way

very nice quads btw

>>220281405
Retard, do you think he'd be honest in a fucking interview? You don't step on the mouse's tail

>>220281826
Headcanon.

>>220271403
>It's not necessarily that bringing Palpatine back was a bad thing
It is, you dumb nigger

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>>220278794
based

>>220281319
Out of that shitty list of self-serious slop I only saw Moon Knight. Oscar Isaac is a joke and a spoiled prima donna.

>>220270914
>can the Star Wars boomers please explain why "somehow Palpatine returned"

it's a shit franchise for idiots by idiots

Did anybody else get the implication from the OT that The Emperor was largely in the shadows? Like nobody really knew who if anybody actually ran the Empire, it was just an autonomous entity at that point. If felt weird hearing somebody outside of the Jedi/Sith Order actually reference Palpatine.

>>220282887
>be me
>live in the Empire
>meet a guy who calls himself the Emperor
>"Huh, I wonder who runs things around here"
It's pretty obvious if you think about it.

>>220270914
>Palpatine sounds like Palestine
>It's always the bad guy
i'm noticing...

>>220279499
>I died and went to heaven, but God sent me back to continue my mission.
This is a completely reasonable and clear explanation.

>>220273126
it's like people knowing Hitler instead of Fuhrer

>>220270914
Only if you explain to us how he returned, no supplementary material use only the film.

That's the fun part about having a narrative, without consistency even the fantastical becomes unbelievable.
Suspension of disbelief has it's limits

>>220272976
Good Lord, I can't believe they thought that would be enough.

>the best Disneed shills can do is shame you for caring
Hilarious

>>220283173
This isn't just the shill approach. It's the approach of the directors, writers, and everyone involved. In the commentary for The Marvels, they literally said "who cares about continuity" several times.

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>>220271403
Bringing back Palpatine was absolutely a bad thing, you dicknosed faggot

>>220279518
cope, the original trilogy had a lot of stuff not intended for children and it was beloved by all ages, which is why it became so popular, you faggot fucking retard

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>>220279712
don't tell me you didn't start clapping when the cavalry appeared

>>220270914
ORIGINALS
>how we overthrow evil space empire via guerilla tactics and Force
PREQUELS
>how evil space empire came to existance through subtfurage and deceit
NEWSHIT
>evil space empire resurects itself into bigger version of itself out of nothing, and we must bring it down via guerilla tactics and Force, again