>the Rome HBO show portrays him as a Machiavellian snake who wants to be king even more than Caesar did>I, Claudius portrays him as a well-intentioned and honorable but naive dunce who’s manipulated by his wifeSo which one was more right? Or did he just mellow out with age?
Were you there? No? Well then shut the fuck up
muh legions
>>220276473HBO portrays him as a kid who gets in over his head and doesnt even portray his later life
>>220276473He was more Machiavellian than he was naive, that's retarded. He strengthened rights of husbands over their wives and families so claiming he was manipulated by his wife is retarded, the only bad thing he ever did was his choice of heir.
>>220276473He played the senate and people of Rome like a fiddle, just a shame he couldn't keep his own house in order, Livia likely killed the other children so Tiberius would be emperor.
>>220276473Hbo rome. Read the book the roman revolution if you want a good explanation of how Octavian carefully built a political party around himself to support his autocratic project.
>>220276540>the only bad thing he ever did was his choice of heir.It was his 4th choice the son's of Julia all died young
>>220276540Livia literally ruined the Roman Empire by killing Germanicus in order for her son to rule
ATIA OF THE JULII I CALL FOR JUSTICE
>>220276473Rome gets him more right, during his youth and especially during the Triumvirate he was a murderous tyrant, only after purging Rome through proscriptions and civil wars he showed his "good face" and Rome acclaimed him as princeps. I Claudius is 10x the better show though
>>220276655That's not manipulation, that's subversion.
>>220276687it was both and it was devastating
>>220276683I didn't like how effeminate they made him in the second season, he was not like that at all in the first season when he was a kid.
>>220276473He was totally justified.
Julio-Claudian fucking shits
reminder that season three would have been about Caesarion being Jesus
>>220276746mirin'
>>220276814Sounds kino
he was definitely trans.
>>220276473I'm not super into ancient Rome so I can't directly answer your question but please, whatever you do, don't come to this board for history discussion. It might be the worst one on the entire website when it comes to facebook pop history myths being repeated with absolute certainty by their posters. /sp/ is more historically versed than /tv/.
>>220277289>no fun allowed
>>220277289You really going to claim my nigger Mark Antony didn't ride a chariot pulled by lions into battle?
>>220276537HBO portrays him as Doogie Howser
>>220277618Kek. Spot on. I didn't know Doogie Howser creampied his sister though.
>>220276473drumpf wants to be this but is too retarded and fat to do it
>>220277769hah, epic, reminds me of that president
>>220276608>4th>>220276473>wants to be king even more than Caesar didOctavian wasn't even truly named after him. His younger adoptive brother Juba II, however, was named Gaius Julius (the 4th) Juba after him. The Romans forced Julius Caesar to betray his fellow friend of Bithynia, Juba I, because he had made the mistake of siding with Pompey to establish himself as a pro-roman numidian.Juba II, aka, Gaius Julius (4th) Juba, was the babysitter of Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa for his adoptive older brother Augustus, who got renamed Gaius Julius (5th) Caesar in 17AD, whom died in 4AD.Agrippa himself was responsible for administering the building of the Pantheon, Mausoleum of Augustus, and probably also in some way giving advice for the Mausoleum of Mauretania.Gaius Julius III Caesar's eventual descendant heir was named the 5th Gaius Julius, because Juba II was the 4th, not Octavian.You could argue that Jake Sully's deceased brother is based on the story of Gaius Julius V Caesar dying under the supervision of Juba II, whom then had to anoint John the Baptist as his prospective heir of Egypt/Israel, whom then in turn adopted Gaia-Zeus (the 6th/Jesus Messiah) Massylii as his assistant brother just like how Juba II himself had been adopted by Caesar and Augustus.tldr;Jesus ended up as the named heir of Caesars Egypt, because Caesar despised Rome for making him betray Juba I and Bithynia (thus denegrating his own philohellenism). The Julii and Massylii probably both thought of themselves as sharing equestrian roots stemming from the Aegean/Troy. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Gens Julia stemmed from the greek founders of the city of IOL (berber Cherchell), which is the same city that Juba II renamed into Caesarea Mauretaniae.
>>220277493Never watched the show but did they really call him the anglicized "Mark Antony"?
>>220277663for the Glory of Rome!
>>220277814>who got renamed Gaius Julius (5th) Caesar in 17AD17bc**
>>220277814bro i think you made all those names up and/or you're drunk
>>220277851Yes they used modern words in English for a tv show made in modern times by English people.
>>220276473first oneAugustus didn't have Livia by his side when he stole the imperial throne from Mark Anthony's grasptho Livia might have helped him navigate the social world Domina tv show has the most accurate perspective tho, in Rome season 2 they turned him into some sort of reptiloid that doesn't even act or think the same as the child actor
>>220278231they were forced to end the show early so they recast Octavian, they also were forced to end Deadwood too soon
>>220277863>bro i think you made all those names upIt doesn't take that many calories to verify that Juba II was adopted by the Julio-Claudians dude.just down a bottle of bluepills and forget that you saw my post. it'll all be fine buddy, I won't wobble your smooth wrinkle-less jellybrain.
>>220277814You’ve just made that up
>>220278318no one named Juba ever existed, stfu
>>220278347>oh my heckin headcanon!!!I'd challenge you to ask James Cameron or George Lucas on wether my post makes sense dude. It's literally what Avatar and Star Wars is based on.They'd probably be shocked that a normie would ask such a question though and would sense that you were an envoy.
>>220276473A bit closer to the former. Augustus is so important for his role as an administrator. He was not a shrewd general or battlefield commander but a skilled propagandist and extremely patient. He was most of all careful. He managed to maintain an authoritarian grip while producing an illusion of Republicanism, it’s really quite a feat. I wouldn’t call him specifically Machiavellian, because really almost all of them were ruthlessly vying for a piece of the pie. In short, I would say Rome’s portrayal of him would be a bit over-the-top, but more accurate.
>>220278462they wouldnt talk about Juba lmao
>>220278422>no one named Juba ever existed, stfumy bad,- IUBA** is his proper "show me the heckin source" quotable name.
>>220277814We seriously need to being back sanitariums. This shit is getting annoying.
>>220278577>they wouldnt talk about Juba lmao>spends decades of their lives spoonfeeding retards on his story>wouldn't talk about him to a retard who namedrops himyup that makes sense buddy.
>>220278462I’m curious to know where you got this schizo nonsense from
>>220278595>>220278636youre not smart or cool
>>220278680>I’m curious to know where you got this schizo nonsense from
