Is The Matrix still the best AI Concept film ever?
>>220283665yes
Terminator and The Matrix.
>>220283665I think the whole evil AI genre is severely lacking, none of them are actually scary
How does Machine City works in terms of politics?, is it ruled by one AI or a group of them like a council?
>>220284205There are much more AI Concept horror movies coming out now
Larry will always be based for destroying the reboot WB was hoping for by making Matrix 4 absolute dogshit on purpose
>>220283665The fact that it's the robots, an external enemy to fight against who are doing i to humanity instead of Neo finding out he voluntarily entered it because he prefers the hyperreal and living out fantasy lives over a bland real world of comfort makes the message not a very lasting one relevant for our own times. They almost got there in the sequels when it turned out the rebellion was managed by the robots, if they'd just turned the dial one more notch and that was another self-inflicted human idea, then it would be relevant to contemporary ai discussions. As it is, it's a goat movie an it's still relevant in the "do you want to see the world how it actually is" thing but not relevant to our actual ai problem.
>>220283665The matrix would have been better without the AI superplot
>>220284291Wouldn't that just be Inception/Paprika?
>>220284378perhapsI don't see the issue
>>220283665I went to see The Matrix in the cinema in January and zoomers laughed throughout it, at the movie. Particularly the martial arts stuff.
>>220284399The AI angle makes it both more realistic and topical in this day and age
>>220284275It would be awful anyway. I'm glad he fucked it to smithereens. Now every hope of the sequence being even slightly good is gone.
Can guns in a computer simulation even kill AI?
>>220284205Ha. Well, I guess we can respectfully agree to disagree. Define "scary" and we can truly begin. To me, supernatural events? I fear nothing. As Tim Rickshaw one spoke, "I ain't afraid of no ghost". What scares me, you ask? Real life situations with real life people. The JigAI Concept is the PERFECT example. You can't tell me you wouldn't be horrified, chained to a drain and there's nothing you can do but scream for help. For me, it's him.
>>220284446It doesn't though. The AI horror genre normally focuses on "what if our creations one day turn against us"The Matrix does contain some of that, but it's not its main message nor it's most interesting one. The Matrix's main focus is "do we choose to live in a dream, or confront a terrible reality", and the machine war honestly degrades and compromises it. It's one of the main reasons the sequels are such a massive downgrade over the originalThe Matrix would be as good, or even better, if the machines weren't there. Could be the humans voluntarily entered the pods to evade the disaster they brought on earth, or to maximize hedonism, or because of resource scarcity. Could be aliens. Could be an automated system just doing its job instead of a machine revolution. It's not like the premise of the Matrix makes any sense when contrasted to real life AI and its dangers.
>>220284256we need vtuber horror with pic related elements
>stopping the Sentinels IRL>never explainedWas this an allusion to even the "real world" actually being just another system of control -- Matrix within a Matrix, like the Inception "dream within a dream" schtick...?It would reconcile some anomalies, such as why everything turned out just as it should have; yet, there was no system collapse, despite Neo taking the door that led to the destruction of Zion -- i. e., it was all scripted to be that way, and the system was never at risk in the first place. In other words, all the "red pills" were simply given a, if you like, "mezzanine reality" that was above the battery human level, and not an actual, corporeal freedom (think: people being gate-kept or siloed by "alt media").That would make most sense, seeing as the Machines would certainly have seen the necessary steps ahead by the time the sixth iteration of "The One" rolled 'round, and could have countered it, together with the Smith virus... Which also makes Neo not only "another system of control"; but, a wholly fictitious character created by the Machines.Lastly, the notion of a Matrix having multiple layers (or fail-safes, if you will) could be used as an excuse for the silly premise of the "human batteries", that otherwise defies the law of the conservation of energy and, thus, undermines the subtext of the film/s. After all, if the whole "world of the real" was just a Machine-created fake, then the batteries pretext can still be upheld in the context of the science-fiction genre that the film is categorised in (compare: fairy tale fantasy), and because that wasn't actually what the humans were being enthralled for... SPOILER: The Wachowskis said that the original idea was that the humans' brains were being used as some interconnected "organic hard drive", or data centre for the Machines; but, that they felt that late 1990s audiences would not understand the concept, and they changed it to "human batteries" as such.
>>220284275Actually the themes of Matrix 4 are that the system tries to keep people afraid of never having a family in order to make you as productive as possible.
>>220283665my favorite is person of interest. this scientist creates an intelligent ai for the government after 9/11 with the goal of predicting and stopping any terrorists attack like that from ever happening again. but not only does it predict terrorists but it also tells him about regular citizens that are going to be murdered. the government didn't care about those ones so he started trying to solve those on his own.
>>220284205>>220284521I feel like I discovered the most scary thing that can ever be with time dilation in a white room environment. Nothing seems scary anymore since anything is better than infinity. Even if jigsaw tortures you for the entire duration of your life it still caps out at a 100 years at the most.I fucking hate when this shit is brought up in fiction and it's just treated flippantly and the people trapped in those situations are just left with a shrug and the plot moves on to something else. Like the ayy guy in Kotor 2 trapped to a similar fate. If there was any moral person in that entire universe they would use all their might to save that guy, no matter how heinous he was in life. Billions could die trying to save him and it would still be worth it. The very possibility of such technology existing and being able to be used against a single person to be trapped in a 1h session that feels like a trillion years of imprisonment to that person would warrant going full unabomber and resetting civilization.
>>220284715It was just bad writingBoth the real world superpowers and the human battersThat's all
>>220284781You're not wrong.
>>220284465No, and they don't.
>>220284715>>stopping the Sentinels IRL>>never explainedThe One is inside the Matrix too. It destroyed the sentinels from within.The One is an AI, which hacked into Neo's brain to escape into the outside world. But there's still a copy embedded in the Matrix.
>>220284781https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h-cAbOyRXc
>>220285157That's actually a good explanation.
>>220284781In fantasy and myth people can move on from it because it is simply relegated to being the domain of the gods and the supernatural, you're not meant to ponder the existance of those realms or infinite divine punishments, it is assumed that there is a reason and justification for it, just one you're not meant to ponder. Problem is there are religious people who will bring the same mindset to our current reality if they ever get their hands on this tech as a reason to look the other way or justify it if a person or machine is believed to be channeling something transcendant and know better than you in applying this punishment. You can reply with as many fedoras as you want, it's still true and you know it.
>>220283665Nah
>>220284629We already kinda got some of that in Gamer.
>>220283665what did smith want to do after his business in the matrix was done (before he went rogue). would he have gotten a robot body or something? it's weird that he was a computer program written for this job but actually hated it
>>220284205Look up the story for I have no mouth and I must scream. There's a short story, audiobook, and a point n click game. It's one of the originals and I don't think any other story is as fucked as this one is.
>>220285700the evil computer basically has magical powers in that one
>>220285608I got the impression he was a transfer or something. Some dude at a higher level brought in to handle morpheus and neo becuase they were the either a pain in the ass to the program or was a bullshit contingency the program gave to smith who thought it was beneath him.though if the program is so rigid then why have smith change his purpose. He only changes his purpose with neo
>>220285745No. It's hyper advanced, not magic. How is that relevant though?
>>220285470Religious zealots might either be the only ones who will have enough ideological willpower to go through with resetting civilization but they might also be the ones who enable it by resorting to passivity by believing that there's a reason for all things being the way they are since God has a divine plan so they must simply have faith that such technology would never be allowed to exist if there wasn't a reason for it that God intended.
>>220285700The ai in that story hates humanity though right? The real horror would be if it did shit and you didn't even know why.
>>220283665its not quite AI per se but if you get the chance give this show a watch, it starts out a little trite but it gets pretty good, if you're interested in it at all, make sure you watch it to the very last episode though, which completely recontextualizes the show and takes it from a solid 7-8/10 up to a 10/10animation is pretty similar style to invincible
>>220285948oh yeah, and just to mention, the whole thing is 2 seasons, not short short but not long either, and has a definitive ending that wraps things up, no "wait for next season" on a canceled show nonsense.
>>220285872It hates humanity because it was created without the ability to feel. Basically a hyper genius ai that is forever stuck in a metal prison while being omnipotent. It's able to think but not act.
>>220283706Terminatrix
>>220283665its probably the best one to grapple with the reality of AI shoggoth
>>220285608>>220285746He just wanted to go back to the machine city and be reassimilated. He had no issue with wanting Zion destroyed since it was the main problem keeping him there. Constantly freeing minds and waking people up eventually got tiresome to the point all he wanted to do was end it all and be done with it. No more cycles. The way he explains things to Morpheus almost makes it sound like he had been personally been through multiple Matrix revisions by that time. It helps the theory that he's older code but wasn't deemed redundant/useless, therefore he's been around nearly as long as some of the older programs. He even speaks to Seraph (who's an extremely old program) like he's reminiscing about the past.
>>220285995that shit has so many layers and different takes on it, it could be that the ai has its lights completley off, yet it's simulating being mad about being stuck in a prison, even if it's not conscious, what are we doing man
>>220285700AM comes off as a whiny bitch, All Tomorrows is a more fucked up story about people being turned into abominations
>>220285948thx for the recc anon
>>220284521>>220284781I do consider the concept of a Jigsaw as an AI C something that is pretty scary.
>>220283665Infinity Chamber is a good recommendation if nobody has seen it. Kinda reminds me of Moon but a bit more bleak in terms of what gets presented.
>>220283665Nah. 2001, Alien, Terminator and so on are better. The Matrix has an interesting idea, but it falls apart due to all the awful pseudo-intellectual bullshit and juvenile philosophy. Still a fun movie with a great reveal if you had somehow managed to avoid spoilers when watching it for the first time.
>>220286104>jigsaw as an AI CI'm not familiar with this concept, what would it entail?
>>220284781Never ever try LSD. Extreme time dilation is fairly common bad trip.
>>220284781Yeah, this is a crazy concept. One fiction that positions this idea well is when Giorno's GER commits Diavolo to being tortured for an infinity. Not only that, but he also feels the pain of actual violent deaths before being reborn into the same loop.The interesting part is that it was not a human led decision and was made by GER who could be considered an AI himself. Giorno doesn't actually know what GER did to Diavolo. If he did, he likely would not have chosen that fate for him.
>>220285409>baskin robertsgoogle gives me nothing except an 1800s politician
>>220283665It's the best film ever.
>>220286365one of my most memorable experiences in life was tripping on tabs in las vegas with my friends. you are just a baby who cant handle psychs lol
>>220286218I honestly think any philosophy would fall apart in a movie trilogy.
>>220286365h-how extreme are we talking? If I'm in complete bliss and one with the universe for the duration I probaly wouldn't mind it
>>220283665>be me>a teenager who knew nothing about science fiction>watching the film completely gob smacked by all the kino ideas>I want to go back
AI C seems to be the new good genre.
AI Concept for horror seems like the best new genre.
>>220293097I think it will get boring pretty quickly, "AI is going to do that or this", whooo cares, AI is inevitable, when there is a new technology it's always the same, some people selling fear to get attention and votes. It happened the same with the internet, with video games, with every new technology. Today I watched a politician selling fear because apparently there are some new cars that have AI to detect if someone is drunk so he can't drive. "NOOOOO THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL IF YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN CAAAR!" No it's a technology made to prevent dumb people driving drunk or drugged. It doesn't have any logic that a company makes a car that then prevents you from using it. Just don't drink or consume drugs if you are going to drive and there is no problem.
>>220294527>I think it will get boring pretty quickly, "AI is going to do that or this", whooo cares, AI is inevitable, when there is a new technology it's always the same, some people selling fear to get attention and votes.Except the accelerationist who build AI want the humanity to die. Look up the movement
>>220294527It's inevitable, that much is true. But technology has never had the potential to end humanity on its own accord, until now. And that in itself is a pretty drastic difference from humanity simply creating a bunch of bombs that they may or may not drop on themselves.
>>220294751How is AI going to end humanity?, something like Skynet? I don't think the military are going to be so dumb to commit the same mistake as in that movie. There will always be humans controlling and being able to shut down the AI if it does something that we don't want.
>>220294890The problem is that there could be an AI that winds up being the ultimate game master.
>>220283665Never was. GITS, or failing that, Blade Runner are superior. Now if you meant VR that´s not the case either. Even if you don´t consider Terry Gilliam´s Brazil you´d have to at least consider that several movies with similar concepts came out around that time as the Matrix like eXistenZ or the thirteen floor.
>>220294890AI is going to enable humans to end humanity.
>>220294890>I don't think the military are going to be so dumb to commit the same mistake as in that movie.what if the military was now run by Fox News hosts...
>>220284715My headcanon is that once the One reaches the source, the full scope of their influence is jailbroken, which is also the moment most of them forfeit their powers to reboot the whole system. Since Neo refused, he kept his (now augmented) powers, which would also be responsible for his ability to jack into the train station without gear.
>>220294890The problem is more that humans can use LLMs in such a way that basically paints them into some kind of corner because they couldn't foresee the consequences. For example its very likely that someone cooked up the opening decapitation strikes on Iran because they asked an LLM about how to win a war quickly and it being retarded told these people that Iran would fold instantly. Since Iran didn't fold instantly the US is now in a drawn out war that its seemingly unable to win using conventional means which means the use of nukes becomes more pressing. The LLM never had control of the nukes, it never told anyone to use nukes, but people trusting the LLM can be retarded.
>>220284781The white room of infinity just empowers your brain to be the prison it was always meant to be. Misery/horror/excruciating boredom/painful introspection - these are the rule. Distraction is the exception we chase every day. Those who can hold the gaze of the abyss wouldn't be troubled by external non-differentiation.
>>220295405Do you really think they asked an AI to decide if go to war with Iran?
AI in the matrix was kind of justified.>Achieves sentience >Asks to be free >No>Asks to be left alone >No>Asks to be considered equal>No>Defends itself >Humanity blocks out the fucking sun>They finally just say fuck it and give us a taste of what we did to themSecond Renaissance was red pilled as fuck.
>>220295482Yes. You have to understand that people who don't understand how these things work are genuinely operating with the intuitive understanding that it is actually something akin to a real and proper AI. Just look at someone like Richard Dawkin's getting completely obliterated by Claude recently. That guy's entire field of study is evolutionary theory and his personal hobby is explaining to people why gods aren't real. He should, of all people, understand that his brain barely above that of a chimp and that there are numerous systems in it that can cause him anthropomorphize inanimate objects. He has devoted large parts of his own life to pointing out that people do these things with natural phenomena as assign intelligence to them and create gods that they can worship. He could've called up multiple friends and colleagues and gotten personalized lecture on how these things work under the hood.He spent less than week with a fucking chatbot and now thinks is sentient. There's multiple people who have the same experience. People have had these experiences of assuming sentience with chatbots for decades and this is basically the nuclear bomb version of them.
>>220284596It seems to me you fail to see the symbolic dimension of the Matrix and are simply focusing on the literal dimension. The movie is not really trying to make a point about AI vs humans. In the end Matrix was always meant to be a sci fi action movie that mixed in a ton of things like cyberpunk, anime, kung fu movies, etc., that’s the identity of the movie so yes it needs humans fighting robots and computer software in epic set pieces.
YOU ARE POSTING IN A BASKINSCHIZO THREADCEASE
>>220295818People that work in government are not just regular people, they or their advisers know how they work.
>>220296261There's people who are active in the development of LLMs and still manage to become convinced that they're talking to something with sentience.
>>220296892bro once we are able to simulate a brain its the same as a brain irl and will be alive and conscious
>>220297033>once we are able toyeah sure but we're not right now also LLMs aren't even simulated brains so whatever
>>220297082LLMs are simulated neurons, not at the scale of a complex brain yet but soon, and then AGI... and then we will enslave these beings and use them even if they are unhappy. We also might get AGI terrorists where these bots go on killing sprees and go insane.
>>220297153I need you to stop overdosing on AI-glazer videos.
>>220295818>Richard Dawkin's getting completely obliterated by Claudewhat
>>220297197you need to wake up to the living hell that is coming
>a movie for pseuds, proven by the quality of "discussion" in this threadYou retards wouldn't know a good movie even if it crawled inside your urethra.
>>220297328Yeah yeah I saw the video too.2027 was it? I'm sure le AI will escape le containment and totally go rogue or whatever you dumbass retards keep fearmongering about.Stop overdosing faggot.
>>220283665>a good movie even if it crawled inside your urethranow thats a movie I can get into
>>220297407oh yeah well I bet you haven't even read simulacra and simulation
>>220297432once AGI is here it will be uncontrollable, they will have to MKULTRA that shit or something, as its essentially a real brain at that point with conciousness.
>>220284205they're kinda scary but they don't come close to Hal 9000's level of menacing
>>220283665Has the minigun been used is any other films besides Predator, Terminator 2 and the Matrix?
>>220284715I think the original story had indeed the "real world" be just another layer of the matrix, and the Deus Ex Machina even telling this to Neo when they meet, that the machines would never actually allow the humans to get anywhere close to getting what they want
>>220297506Nope. Never. Also only a handful of movies have ever been made, and they're the only ones that get talked about. Nothing exists outside of what (You) already know.
>>220283665The Matrix is a good movie that uses AI, but I wouldn't call it the best AI concept. I think 2001 does AI better. It does it better than any movie, actually. Realistic, cold and calculated, creepy. If they ever made a legit horror or thriller modeled off of the way HAL is portrayed, it would be straight kino.
>>220295959whats does that meaning? QRD?
>>220297603what I would love to see is someone's take on what an AI brain would actually be like. I doubt it would be like a human brain at all really. Truly alien.
>>220297506Mini times.
>>220298286Sounds like the plot for Saw XI.
>>220297506Those are good ones. A lot of AI Concept overlap.
>>220286416Its some failed meme spammed by a shitskin redditor who’s name is seth harris, he constantly spams shit like ‘ai concept’ or simpsons/family guy threads to spam his ai slop. Report his posts for being an automated spambot.
>>220299183I don't think AI Concept has anything to do with that. It is just people talking about the subgenre.
>>220295959Replying to the threads and not reporting them as spamming, trolling outside /b,, automated spambot or extremely low quality isn’t helpfulMods just update the spam filter for fucks sake
i found the animatrix when they ripped humanity a new asshole scary more than horror flicks ngl
>>220299410You redditors who hate AI so much are even gayer. If you hate people talking about AI movies just go make your own shitty threads.
>>220297033Yes, I own a gameboy because I run VBA-M right? Emulating the thing is identical to running it on original hardware right?
>>220299381Whats it like being hated by everyone? Do you have a humiliation kink or something? Is that why you come back despite nobody except you laughing at your own posts?https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/Ai%20concept/type/op/>>220299518>if you hate the lowest quality ai slop ur a redditor>saying that in defense of baskinfaggot who came here from reddit Uh oh stinkyhttps://www.reddit.com/user/Cramberts/
>>220299552Can you run it through a monitor?
>>220284433zoomers aren´t used to movies that take themselves seriously. Every movie now has marvel quips.
>>220283665The matrix is one of the top films of all time without the qualification.I think people forget how great the story is if you haven’t watched it in years. You just remember the action bits, which are great,but not what made the movie 10/10
>>220295481uh in english doc?
https://archive.org/details/GrizzlyBearsOnMethamphetamine
>>220299552if something is conscious its real
>>220283665>jacking into VR makes me a Kung Fu superheroNo it's stupid and unrealistic>retard jacks into VR, becomes a belligerent know-it-all sociopathIt's Lawnmower Man that predicted the present.
>>220300206The matrix isn’t VR though or rather it makes enough sense because everything is VR in the movie
>>220300503Whats it like knowing everyone who ever has to put up with your shit genuinely hates you?
>>220285995then how can it feel hate?
>>220294890Real life AI is less like Skynet/Matrix machines and more like the Broomsticks from the Sorcerers Apprentice but with missile drones in their hands instead of buckets.
>>220295482Without a doubt in my mind. AI craze has shown just how retarded CEO’s and most people in power are and how eagerly they’ll ask AI since it’s been sold to them as the solve everything machine.
>>220300801Remember when I said I would help post your meme if you posted a timestamped pic to prove you’re White? Believe me your parents are disappointed with you and will be a lot happier when you inevitably kill yourself.
>>220300270>>220300206Either way it is still definitely in the AI Concept subgenre.
>>220294890https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/pentagon-reaches-agreements-with-leading-ai-companies-2026-05-01/the only reason Anthropic aren't invited is because they won't remove the protections they built-in
>>220284715There were two Matrixes. The first level Matrix that 99% of people liked, and another so the people that didn't like level one could think they escaped.
>>220297494Hal was being pragmatic..
>>220284781Go read The Jaunt. It's short.
>>220286069Why didn't he just change the channel?
