>>220288404
Is ATJ the titular witch? I only saw this movie once and i dont remember. I know she has witch powers in Northman so I'm not sure if I've confusing the two.

>>220288404
>hey bitch you want some butter?

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>>220288931
>Is ATJ the titular witch?
Yes and no

What happened to the chubby cheeked, relatively curvy version of ATJ?

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This is one of those movies that fully deserves to be described as "Every Frame A Painting".

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>>220288404
>>220289140
I love it and love Eggers work in general but I worry he’s lost touch of the ambiguity on the question of the supernatural that made his work so interesting in his early career.
In The Witch you have the rotten corn possibly explaining even supernatural events (at least in part) as hallucinations, same story with The Light House and extreme isolation mixed with alchohol. Even in The Northman you’ve got ptsd and booze as a possible explanation for some of stuff Amleth sees.
In nosferatu there’s none of that really; it’s just straight Dracula believed in (for some reason) by 18th century secular bourgeoise.
I’m hopeful werewolf will be a return to the norm with a believable context of the 13th century explaining the headspace were a peasant could believe in a lycanthrope as a candidate explanation but I worry the success of nosferatu might have convinced eggers it isn’t worth it actually give a fuck about the craft over what the box office wants.

>>220289372
didn't the baby go missing before the failed harvest?

>>220289006
She was so cute before she turned herself into a skeleton, women should not be allowed to make decisions that permanently affect their bodies.

I watched this movie from start to end just for the ass shot at the end

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>>220289565
>>220289062
One of the biggest tragedies caused by Boggedlywood

>>220289710
I donnt know how to spit water like that, Im sad because of that

>>220289372
>why wasn’t his movie about NOSFERATU a heckin secular pro science movie that caters to my modern opinions
Stfu

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>>220289517
Yes; and that’s part of the ambiguity.
What’s cool about the older eggers movies is there are also something’s that don’t have an obvious rational explanation; some things which (just like in real life) are extremely weird/unexplained and which lend themselves to supernatural explanation.
But there’s a huge difference between baby weirdly disappears in his sisters care and
>”le scary romainian mostache man transforms into let bat creature on bed and he’s still there in the morning omg he’s a vampire omg 0o0”
Eggers understands or at least understood the grey area actual supernatural claims exist in the real world where (despite red.dit fedoras claim) there is actually SOME evidence; it just isn’t something you can prove scientifically.
That’s what made him interesting; that’s what made his films unique.

>>220289811
>YOUR A FUCKING FEDORATARD FOR WANTING GOOD WRITING AMBUITY!!
There are options besides Star Trek and the lord of the fucking rings dude.

>>220289846
>I know it's an adaptation of Dracula but that doesn't mean you gave to include a literal blood sucking vampire
You are a midwit

>>220288404
Thomasin lust. Supple bosom. Hairy vulva. Delicious girl. Would buy her for 2 horses and keep her in the city. Kick the rest out.

>>220289881
>“Good writing ambiguity” means there should never ever be a supernatural creature in my supernatural horror movie
You’re legitimately retarded, also the movie address this subject
>We are not so enlightened as we are blinded by the gaseous light of science. I have wrestled with the devil...and I tell you that if we are to tame darkness we must first face that it exists
I bet the references to Paracelsus, Agrippa, astrological signs, and the Scholomance all flew right over your head too

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Anya is one of those girls who legit look terrible when they're skinny. Some women can pull off a skinny, she's not one of them.

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>>220289986
I mean Roberts made a movie about witches while keeping the existence of the witch/the devil pretty ambiguous.
Don’t se why I ought not be able to expect the same level of writing out of a writer/director he’s produced before.
>>220290076
>We are not so enlightened as we are blinded by the gaseous light of science. I have wrestled with the devil...and I tell you that if we are to tame darkness we must first face that it exists
And how much cooler would this line be if you weren’t quite sure if the old man was full of shit or not?
If you didn’t know if the girl just had shizoprhenia or if there actually was an ancient blood sucking demon preying on her at night??
Again this is not impossible and again Eggers himself has done it before; he just needs to apply himself to his craft as he has done in his past films.

>>220290413
The entire main theme of Dracula (which obviously Nosferatu is copied off of, with minor changes) is the conflict between old superstition and modern science. There’s a reason Dracula leaves his stuffy old castle in the “superstitious east” and seeks out to live amongst the more “enlightened” modern western folk. They don’t have a natural immunity to his supernatural powers, and it is up to the protagonists to combine their scientific mindset with superstition to defeat the evil.

For Eggers, his “science” that defeats Nosferatu is rooted in renaissance esotericism, which at the time people saw as a blend of natural philosophy, theology, and the occult, which is why you have references to the aforementioned thinkers, as well as astral spirits and angels and demons - not demons in the strict christian sense, but instead the archaic daimones, or lesser intermediate spirits often associated with the planets. Anyone with an interest in western esotericism would have recognized many of these symbols and references

Now tell me how that is worse storytelling than “lol the girl be crazy and shit”

>>220289809
look anon, i'm just heading over from /from/ and don't have much time, in order to spit water like that yo-
look, let's talk about this another time, gotta go

Also, the Witch is probably the leat ambiguous movie he has. The lighthouse is up for debate whether they were crazy or if something odd was going on there. The northman doesn’t explain if Amleth’s visions are real, or are events being interpreted in his mind by his pagan religion.

The Witch (subtitled a New England Folktale) not only tells you from the title that it’s a folktake, but shows the witch steal a baby and fly on a branch in the first 10 minutes of the film, not from an observer who could be unreliable, but direclty on the camera. There was never a shred of doubt the witch was real, because it isn’t some modern take on how mental illness is the REAL horror or whatever, but because it is a folk tale, and very direct.

Eggers has always placed mood, atmosphere, and historical immersion over some bait and switch “oops looks like it was all in their heads the whole time hehe” plot device that is anathema to modern filmmaking

This movie actually made me better at English (ESL). On the first watch I could barely understand wtf they were saying even with the subtitles, and the accents didn't make it any better so I had to rewatch it soon after and it got much easier on the second viewing. Then I googled some of the things I didn't understand and adjusted to those quirks of the Early Modern English. Basically, thank you based Eggers, period-accurate English sounds really cool

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>>220290521
Maybe I should have said this at the top but just to be clear Robert Eggers in the greatest director working today and (even with the issues I have with) if it was up to me Nosferatu would have won best picture of 2024.
>The entire main theme of Dracula (which obviously Nosferatu is copied off of, with minor changes) is the conflict between old superstition and modern science. There’s a reason Dracula leaves his stuffy old castle in the “superstitious east” and seeks out to live amongst the more “enlightened” modern western folk. They don’t have a natural immunity to his supernatural powers, and it is up to the protagonists to combine their scientific mindset with superstition to defeat the evil.
Which is why it’s such a great potential setting for Eggers and such a disappointment (at least to me) the film didn’t live up to its full potential.
It could have been a film people talked about for years after; redefining the genre and elevating the medium but instead we got a extremely competently made mostly traditional Dracula movie that mainly stands out in comparison to slop that festers around it.
>Now tell me how that is worse storytelling than “lol the girl be crazy and shit”
What part of the word:
>”Ambiguity”
Do you not. Fucking. Understand. Dude?
Your right some fucking fedora ass “she just has BPD LOLZ” wouldn’t be as cool but that is NOT the only alternative.
What makes Eggers great is his ability to work in the grey are shit like this actually exists in.
I’m not going to apologize for wanting a director I care about to live up to his potential or at least reassend to the peak he has achieved before.
The only options are not fucking high fantasy or scooby fucking do; you CAN write a story that neither dismisses the supernatural nor fully embraces it.

>>220289372
Eggers had wanted to make Nosferatu since he was in high school. Like to the point where all his other movies were just training until he felt ready to do Nosferatu the way he felt it deserved. I don't even know how you would make an ambiguously supernatural version of that story without drastically changing it. No amount of rotten corn, booze, or opium is going to cover the shit that happens in the movie, and even if you could, it would detract from the movie as a whole.

I don't want to watch a Dracula movie where there could be a logical, scientific explanation for everything if I read between the lines. I want to watch a Dracula movie where he's an evil, seemingly unstoppable supernatural menace. I imagine that's what Eggers wanted, too.

>>220291195
I'm still mad that Anya didn't end up playing the main heroine in Nosferatu like Eggers originally wanted. Bogged or not, she's a way better actress than LRD

>>220291302
Agreed. I actually like her possession scenes, I think the overacting works there, but her normal dialogue scenes are tough to watch. Feels like a Pride and Prejudice school play or something. Anya would have been great.

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>>220291362
Fortunately, they seem to have a great working and personal relationship so we can look forward to Eggers-Anya kino formula in his future projects

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>>220288404
The Puritans were largely trying to liberalize society, arguing that social cruelty was from the kingdom abandoning God's love. He was just a guy who needed to be the most Christian in a Christian colony.

>>220288404
>be god
>see a baby get abducted by satanic witches
>see them mash the baby into jelly
>"wow that's craaaazy"
>goes back to watch catholic priests fisting boys


why is god like this?

>>220292119
Trust the (divine) plan (TM)

>>220289372
>I’m hopeful werewolf will be a return to the norm with a believable context of the 13th century explaining the headspace were a peasant could believe in a lycanthrope as a candidate explanation
It will be about a rabies infected turk

>>220291101
Not that anon, but wouldn't having Nosferatu be another ambiguous horror movie pigeon hole Eggers too much? He already occupies the historically accurate niche but branching out and doing a more obvious horror after being so ambitious with The Lighthouse would be a breath of fresh air. Werwulf is coming out later this year and it will probably be a return to form.

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I like both the Witch and Nosferatu (kind of an unique individual around these parts). AMA !

>>220292480
Not that anon either, but I was thinking of exactly what you've written. Eggers has a lot to offer as a filmmaker why limit him to only one particular way of telling stories?

I see the reddit greatest achievement atheist have arrived. guess what, ANDREW, that's what's going on your grave marker btw. God is real

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>>220292480
>Not that anon, but wouldn't having Nosferatu be another ambiguous horror movie pigeon hole Eggers too much?
A case could be made there but I would only say in response being pigeon holed into that is being pigeon holed into the most compelling and interesting supernatural media possible (though perhaps at the moment it’s not as commercially viable).
Anyway, as you say I agree, I think werewulf will be a return to firm and with increased resource Roberts now has at his disposal it could well be the best movie of the decade.

>>220292496
I love The Witch but thought Nosferatu sucked, was boring, trope-y, and Depp's daughter can't act for shit.

>>220288404
>dat photobomb
Black Philip really is the Devil.

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>>220290734
That scene being filmed doesn’t mean it’s objectively happening exactly as is anymore then any of the individually witnessed experiences in the film.
I always understood that scene could just be a culmination of the puritans fears, the mother’s dreams which get mentioned and revisited later in the film.
If it’s supposed to be just so obvious why don’t we ever se the witch riding on the broom infront of the family as Thomasin describes?
Why does no one but the children ever se the witch/the devil at al if it isn’t meant to be ambiguous??

>>220289988
Oh fuck yes.

>>220290587
Lmfao

>>220288404
Why did they take the goat devil with them?

>>220288404
any man who is too extreme for Ra's Al Ghul is not to be trifled with

>>220289372
Wrong take. He's always said the supernatural in his movies really is supernatural, there is no ambiguity. It can't even really be interpreted that way regardless of his say so, it's just redditors trying to be more clever than everybody else and rationalize it sciencestyle. They are all explicitly supernatural

>>220289846
Stop semi-colons on 4chan btw dumb pseud, everything you're blabbering about is wrong

>>220288404
>devil is real and can hurt innocents
>god doesn't do anything because....

>>220289846
nosferatus supernatural elements have all the scaffolding of rationality as his other films so im not sure where this complaint is coming from
they keep the audience grounded to the setting with plausible explanations and then by the end of the film give you direct, unambiguous depictions of the supernatural
it invites the audience to the irrational world where those myths are real things to the people who believed in them

Lmao, I've never seen the Eggers' commentary for The Witch, dude's an autist obsessed with detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qdP7lr8kI4

>>220288404
Love this movie.

>>220294651
He's Kubrick reincarnated

>>220294688
Nah you don't

>>220290413
>I mean Roberts made a movie about witches while keeping the existence of the witch/the devil pretty ambiguous.
The devil little shows up in the flesh what the fuck was ambiguous about that?

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>>220294716
>"Sometimes I wish we'd CG'd her earring holes out...but...maybe that's getting insane, I don't know"
KEK

>>220294778
You don't get it bro maybe she was on like mushrooms like my friend Ryan bro he saw things

>>220294743
I do, I came inside the dvd case.

>>220294829
Didn't happen, also you don't own dvds

>>220289140
It's funny because if you listen to the Director's Commentary, it's nothing but whining about the mistakes he made making these shots.

>>220294864
>yeah, actually they wouldn't have that many candles but I needed to light the shot
>the thatching on that roof is wrong, I'm such a hack
>the stitching on her shirt is a little too modern and not something they would've done

This is rumored to be what Werewulf will be based on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Stumpp

>>220288404

Finchy!

bloody good rep

>>220294897
>The firewood is too much like modern firewood, it's too uniform
Literally unwatchable, what a hack

>>220288404
>Too religious
You're such a disingenuous faggot and I hate you

>>220293086
The film was supposed to be like "ok, remember all these retarded confessions from the witch traials and fears people used to have in the old days about witches and demons and stuff? What if they were were actually true???"

There's nothing ambigous about it idiot, the witch took the kid and made some pulp oinment with it so she could fly in her stupid broom. That's what those people really believed and the scary part is watching an honest non cynical interpretation of those fears, which is even more impressive given the absolute state of modern people' attention span and full on disdain for true horror in movies and how cynical we have become to the point witches are supposed to be comedy characters now not horror monsters. Eggers took witches back from modern society and made them scary again for a moment.

Is this movie worth a watch or will it disappoint?

>>220293850
>nooooo you have to communicate in ebonics!!!!
Kill yourself you repulsive subhuman

>>220295074
The binary is not "being such an insufferable pseud you're spamming semi-colons on 4chan" and "muh ebonics" you are the only retarded subhuman you are, and no amount of semi-colons will change that stinky

>>220289372
Rotten corn doesn't cause hallucinations, ergot fungus does, and there's no sign of that

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>>220289140
I guess we have a different definition of that phrase

>>220295026
For me it's very worth it. I can see how it could be disappointing though, in the sense that if you're expecting big scare jumps and shit like that. For me it was the athmosphere that grabbed me, eveeything seems so authentic: the way they dress, how they speak, hints of how they think, and so because that it allow me to get immersed me into their world and I became totally invested into this story so much that I saw it like 3 times in one week the first time.

>>220295074
You're not even using them correctly btw lol, many such cases with pseuds like you who think it makes them look more intelligent and are actually just illiterate

>>220295110
>nooo not proper English aaagh I'm going insane!!!
You're a disgusting zoomoid mutt and you deserve your fate

>>220295130
That may be a good thing because I don't like the cringey horror tropes in general: jump scares, gore, etc. Don't mind the supernatural, though.

>>220295160
Spamming semi-colons incorrectly is not "proper English" you're just a pseud fedoralord retard

>>220295122
Now THIS film is the real shit

>>220292728
He clearly has a love for the original Nosferatu so the remake was very much a passion project. You shouldn't worry too much about him moving away from grounded historic fiction. The North man shows that's where his heart is. Especially after the failure that was the Wolf Man last year I'm excited to see Werwulf

>>220295272
It's funny because I think it's a pretty common sentiment that Nosferatu is his worst movie, but it was supposed to be his big moment and was something he planned since before he started his career

>>220289000
Kekked and chekked.

>>220293524
Kek

>>220295316
It's also his most successful. It still has his signature style but it's just more accessible to a wider audience. I think that was his intention with the movie.

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>>220288404
if ATJ were my daughter i may want to dip into the devil's cauldron a time or two if you get my drift

>>220294778
Yeah and the only one who sees him his Thomason after her entire fucking family is dead and she’s eaten spoiled corn for days on end.
Not saying it’s not supposed to possibly real btw; just that it’s murky which makes it interesting.
>>220294822
>”lol you like seriously think like chemical compounds can like cause you to hallucinate and stuff ?!?!?! lololol XD
Yes.

This is the only movie I've seen where the children actors mogged the adult actors. The kid playing Caleb in the possession scene is fantastic

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So it's a bad idea to break away from other believers and go it on your own because you find other people in your congregation annoying or think you've found something in your Bible that no one else has noticed before?

>>220296404
>I'M RATIONOOOOOOOLIZINGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!
He literally shows you a scene of a witch in the opening separate from all other characters to make it clear it's not ambiguous or hallucinations. He has expliclity said that was his intention. Get over it

>>220288404
That's a big part of the movie, the dad being a fucking idiot who ruined all their lives but none of them can really call him out on it because of the culture and time period. Part of how badly the mother blames Anna for the kid going missing is because if she blames her husband she's being a bad wife and a bad woman, so it all gets diverted onto Anna as a socially acceptable scapegoat.

>>220297400
Nah that's not what happens