I just finished watching all the Tom Baker serials, now I'm going to start watching the Peter Davidson ones. What am i in for? Is he the GOAT?
>>220311908Nowhere near the GOAT.
Oh boy he's in the three doctor shitheap.
>>220311908On the whole it is mediocre in a serviceable way. To be clear, I am not saying mediocre as in bad; with Fifth the show also does get something of a freshness injected into it following the staleness and issues that Fourth Doctor was getting. Yet there is something of a blandness to it, even if this is perhaps not the correct word. This is perhaps not the best wording either but, it is as if the show is somewhat treading water a lot of the time with the Fifth Doctor in terms of not knowing what direction to go and thereby can feel static or regressing even when it should not be.
Earthshock and Caves Of Androzani are very good.
>>220311908You just saw the GOAT
>>2203130047 > 4
>>220313757In terms of character, sure, but you're smoking crack if you think 7 had better written stories.
>>220315275He did.
mostly boring
Davison is my least favourite era of the original run, for what it's worth. He still has a couple of banger episodes, but it's all quite bland on the whole.
>>220312769Davison himself said he didn't really feel like he got a handle on his character, until Caves of Androzani, which is pretty bad.The crowded cast of mostly not great characters doesn't really do him a lot of good. I like Teagan and Turlough in a vacuum, but we needed some time with them as solitary companions. Adric is Adric, Nyssa is attractive but boring, Peri doesn't really get a personality until she teams up with Colin.
>>220316927He very suddenly becomes The Doctor in Frontios ep 1 imo
>>220316927Nyssa wasn't attractive.
I like Davison as a kind of put-upon Arthur Dent type, who can go surprisingly hardcore when his back is up against a wall. That's why the episode Kinda works. It's just the Doctor trapped in a space colony with a crazy man.
>>220317687fair enough.
>>220316927>Caves of Androzani, which is pretty bad.Retard.>>220317687The Fifteenth Doctor would be more up your AIDS-ridden alley, gaylord.
>>220317877No, retard. It's bad that he didn't know what he was doing with his character until his final serial. Caves of Androzani is his best episode by a mile
>>220317877Bill is more attractive than Nyssa.
I will not tolerate this Nyssa libel.
>>220311908
>>220312769'Blandness' works because it's exactly what they were going for. A young, normal bloke in a beige outfit that represents one of the dullest English sports imaginable. Previous Doctors carried weak stories by filling the screen with their eccentric personalities. An ability Davison lacked. I like 5 and appreciate his place as the 'normal' one in context with the other doctors. But as a stand alone performance it's pretty weak.
>>220318128Kill yourself, NL.
>>220318553NL? What does that mean?
>>220311908Davidson was okay but Baker was better still worth watching tho
>>220311908Gods no. He plays him with a streak of hartnell's pissiness that makes him extremely unlikable compared to Tom Baker's doctor. Add to that production values were at an all time low during his run.
Didn't Big Finish make him kind of wimpy?
>>220317687don't be gay
>>220319468>pissinessAll Doctor's sort of have that, or at least should. The key is balancing it out. The First Doctor as a character quickly moves on from just being that to having both grandfatherly and trolling characteristics to balance it beyond just this idea of being an aloof or grumpy old man.
>>220319564She wasn't a very feminine female.
>>220319585He's occasionally grandfatherly to the girl, a condescending asshole to everyone else. They all could lose their temper if the situation called for but he's by far the worst, with Eggonface running a close second.
>>220318522like I said before, he's at his best when they play him as an Arthur Dent type. Put-upon and slightly irritable Englishman, in a bizarre situation.
doctor who
Why is /who/ so dead?
>>220311908The 80s doctors are all too fleeting to be the GOAT. The first four all have a large amount of material to compare. But if you go watch peter davison, you're done with it pretty soon. It is good though. To me doctor who maintains a sort of minimum baseline quality level until it gets fucked over by the bbc at season 23. At that point the show is fighting against all odds to be good, and it does succeed a lot of the time, but the budget is clearly devastated after that. The fifth doctor has plenty of budget though. I'd say peter davison doctor who is better than tom baker's last couple of seasons.
>>220311908He pretty much hated doing it and it shows.
>>220319490He makes Troughton look like Rambo
>>220323918Because the last doctor was pic related.
>>220311908Good, there are some excellent stories. Overall more hits than misses. Frequently suffers from an over-crewed Tardis to the point the script writers give up after a bit ("you wait here for two episodes and do nothing basically"). Several zoomers in this thread don't understand his big novelty was the idea of a physically young (but actually "old minded") Doctor as they are coming to it through Nu-Who where that became normal. At the time this seemed enough.
>>220328127Also, within the BBC stable (pardon the pun) somewhat "one for the mums" who'd liked him as Tristan Farnon.
The special edition Warriors of the Deep on the bluray set is actually decent They replaced the shitty Myrka without going too overboard
>>220323918Because like Wars, Trek, Gundam, etc. they have literally outlived themselves
>>220311908Peter’s issue is his character is the same as he was in All Creatures Great and Small
Dr. Who never looked good as a blonde.
post peri
Peri's tits aside, she was one of the worst companions. Always stuttering and acting like a broken housewife.
>>220330268She was bongs' idea of an american.
is old Who on streaming anywhere? Disney has rights but not there
she killed millions....
>>220330582 And I’d forgive her every single time.Peri didn’t kill millions, the writers did. Trying to be all grim and “shock value” in Trial when nobody asked for it. They had no idea what to do with her besides scream and look stacked in pastel tops.She was pure 80s cheese and cleavage and somehow still more memorable than half of nuWho’s tumblr OCs. If that’s a war crime then lock me up too.
>>220330279>constantly whiny and needyI suppose so
>>220330533YoutTubes?>>220330582She still looks good, too.
>>220330533youtube has full stories eited together, also tubi
>>220319468>production values were at an all time low during his runcertainly not.
>>220319468the Doctor should be pissed at his companions because they deserve it. he's not your hugbox, if you want that you can keep watching the new series.
>>220333494>"I'm 800 years old and I have to babysit these chimps."
>>220311908The classic series was so stupid, why on earth does the doctor need levitation as a power
>>220311908Unironicaly Baker 2.0 is the best. He only has a bad rep because the BBC themselves wanted to cancel the series because the show-runner at the time was a gaylord. This being the 80s being a gaylord was the equivalent of being a trannie today and the top brass at the BBC were really hardcore Tory party suporters (they literally let Thacher use their most popular sitcom at the time "Yes Minister" in a vanity puff project for free).Because this was pre-internet it was very easy to control the narrative, all it took was a few letters and articles in things like the radio times, the Sun or the Daily Mail and the general public would take it as gospel that this was the prevailing public opinion. People being sheep and having nothing to counter that narrative published would adopt that opinion as their own, for fear of standing out or looking un-cool. Thus the BBCs campaign made people not watch a series that was better than it had ever been, even during the Baker 1.0 era, and had tones of top dollar guest actors like Brian Blessed and Ken Dodd (the biggest comedian on the planet at the time). The Doctor himself was much cooler too, like an 80s action hero now, but anti-authoritarian and sarcastic and doesn't afraid of offending anyone.Its pure, undiluted, double strength, kino.
>>220311908>New rumour is that RTD's final episode will close out the Nu Who era and then the show will return in a rebooted fashion Are we about to get Classic era 2.0 or will they fuck it up again?
>>220334103RTD2 was meant to be a reboot of the show lol, the BBC is filled with incompetents who don't know how to make a good shows so I doubt any future Doctor Who will be worth watching
>>220330533Pluto has a dedicated channel and most everything except a few of the newly restored early serials are back on tubi again.Britbox has everything but they're a pay service.
>>220311908Suffering. Pete is fine, but holy shit his companions
>>220333369All I remember is a whole lot of nothing going on and a general cheaping out on effects even more than usual it seemed. Granted, they were putting in effort on locations and not just shooting in a warehouse or random quarry. for a change.>>220333494Jerks make for poor protagonists, esp. when the jerk is the one who dragged you along in the first place and then acts put upon. Going from a goofball to that amounts to tonal whiplash.
>>220334103Didn't he literally already reboot it
>>220312817I've never cared for the hammy 80s Cybermen
>>220311908Only his last season is really that good
>>220311908No, after like season 16 the show isn't really worth watching anymore.
>>220337317Romana II isn't that bad
>>220337760That's the only good thing about the last 2 seasons.
>>220337317Yeah season 17 was borderline parody, and season 18 was just boring
>>220337876Castrovalva puts me to sleep
>>220337791That and City of Death is also absolute kino
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>>220334160>I doubt any future Doctor Who will be worth watchingThis. Its been a shit-show of woke nonsense for at least a decade now. There is no reversing course.
I just finished Pertwee's first season, I really don't care for him much. I saw Troughton in "War Games" in color on blu ray and liked him far better. I wish we'd get a Troughton blu ray season set.
>>220338099Richard Dawkins is a lucky man.>>220338241Pertwee gets better after his first season imo, that's his "what kind of Doctor am I" part. If you don't like him after Season 8, he's not for you.
>>220338241I like Season 7 but did they all need to be 7 parters (aside from Spearhead)?
>>220338280>7 parters (aside from SpearheadCreatively? No. For budgetary reason? Yes.
>>220311908You've already watched the Phillip Hinchcliffe seasons so you've already seen the peak of the show. Now you get to watch the show steadily get worse until it finally gets better right before BBC pulls the plug.
>>220338260>Richard DawkinsThey are divorced now. She is on her third husband.
>>220338241Watch the first serial of Season 8 and see if you like him better when he's acting opposite Roger Delgado. They have some great chemistry. Also Jo is a much better companion than Liz.
>>220338298That's why I prefer the Baker era format where every serial is 4 parts with only one 6 parter per season. You also got more storylines that way.
>>220338345Really? Well shit. I wonder if its her, or if its her preference in men.>>220338372Its much better than the entire story squashed into 1 episode Nu-Who was saddled with.
>>220338372The bigger limitation on the Third Doctor era is it being Earth-bound (or at least for most of it). That is not necessarily an problem in a broad sense, yet it does sort of inherently limit story options and if the UNIT stuff does not work for an audience then it drastically hinders the era for them.
>>220338394>Really? Well shit. I wonder if its her, or if its her preference in men.I suspect it is partly her, but Tom Baker and Richard Dawkins both seem like they would be nightmares to be with.
Meanwhile with Mary Tamm...>Tamm was married to Marcus Ringrose, an insurance executive, from 1978 until her death from cancer on 26 July 2012. They had one daughter, Lauren, born November 1979.[15] Tamm had been diagnosed with cancer in 2010, and had kept her illness secret from all but a handful of her closest friends.[24][4][25] Ringrose died from a heart attack just hours after Tamm's funeral on 7 August.[26]
>>220338430>Ringrose died from a heart attack just hours after Tamm's funeral on 7 August.>literally heart-brokenAww
>>220338394On the other hand, classic who could have dreadfully boring, padded out stories across 6 parts.I think 4 parts strikes the better balance.
Are there any serials that were long that did not seem padded or you wished went on longer?
>>220338567I remember going into the Evil of the Daleks expecting it to be badly paced and padded given it is a 7-parter, yet I did not find it to be and really enjoyed it. In general, judging the pacing for Classic Who serials has two views regarding how you can look at it. Firstly, watching it in all one go or over a few days as if it was a film effectively which is what I presume most people do. Yet, that is maybe skewing how we are even judging it given they are not actually designed to be viewed like. Obviously even with weekly or biweekly viewing there can still be pacing issues, though a lot of talk about pacing in the contemporary sense comes from us just viewing them different to how they were designed and watched at the time.
>>2203385234 was ideal, 6 worked if the story had enough meat to work without excess padding. The amount of times>oh no, the Doctor is incapacitated this episodehappened
Hot take: in the 80s they should have experimented more with a 45 minute episodic format (no, the 6th Doctor stuff doesn't count). Being a 22 minute serial was starting to date the show.I also don't know what JNT meant by airing 5th Doctor serials two parts a week, on Tuesdays and Thursdays
>>220338969>I also don't know what JNT meant by airing 5th Doctor serials two parts a week, on Tuesdays and ThursdaysDid he even have a say in that?
>>220338969Should have ditched multi camera production, even if shooting on video.
>>220338124Good episode, sad ending
>>220338260So was Tom…until he wasn’t
>>220338415She said it best, they forgot to give credit to the other monster, she was talking about Tom
>>220338415Tom Baker in the late 70s/into the 80s was a drunk
>>220339302I'd assume so, since JNT was always pulling random stunts to make the show more popular
>>220340169Those times he used the BBC's money to go on holidays overseas by using the excuse to film one or two DW scenes lol
His first season is extremely kino except for Time Flight
I would not say it is the worse, but the most disappointing 5th Doctor serial is Arc of Infinity. It is such a lacklustre use of Omega, who if you were watching it at the time without being familiar with The Three Doctors must have seen as a complete rando given how the story does little to properly establish him. The only thing I particularly like about it is how ride or die Nyssa is shown as being.
>>220341543>Time FlightThe pain on Doc's face when he is stuck again with Tegan.
>>220341857The new Omega costume sucked and there was a random giant Boba Fett chicken (predating Family Guy)
>>220342783>>220341857The most incredulous thing is just running in Tegan again. Why even do the part from Time-Flight of leaving her?
>>220311908People shit on '80s Who since it's arguably post peak, and I'm biasted because it was my era, but it still has its charm and the occasional great episode
>>220317687Your poof is showing
>>220338191Doctor Who was always woke.
>>220334040based perceptive kinoisseur anon.few are able to see through the propaganda when all official statements of the BBC say the series was cancelled in 1986 because of its alleged "poor quality". new series ""fans"" despise what is essentially the complete antithesis of the character assassination they dare to call the """Doctor""". they are more than happy to repeat the 40-year-old lie that everybody always hated him just because they do. that's why we should repeat again and again that S22 had the exact same average ratings as S21, that none of the actual pre-RTD fans ever believed such bullshit as "Doctor Who is dead" while watching The Twin Dilemma. such reactions are those of a vapid teenage girl with no interest in science-fiction, let alone in kino. seeing so many now-grown men still conforming their views with this shallow (and long-gone) part of the audience in a desperate bid to "fit in" is the proof that the true spirit of Doctor Who has been irremediably lost.
to me "woke" means when television and film characters turn to the camera and scold the audience for X/Y/Z reasons
>>220338241>not liking the undisputable best season of the show
>>220343715Colin Baker was a great Doctor and a great actor for the role. But there's no denying a lot of his episodes were pretty shit. Combined with the budget cuts, and Peri being super annoying (yet hot), it's one of the harder eras to rewatch.
>>220343799Jodie > Colin
>>220343799He's my absolute favourite but you're not wrongThe writing was at its all-time lowest point and it felt like they were running out of ideas. Baker was so good though that he kept it afloat. Also Peri cworrr
>>220343914My one wish is that there was a real Season 23 like they planned instead of that Trial of a Timelord bullshit garbage
>>220343799a lot of Tom Baker episodes were shit too, but at least he had the time to reach high kino. Colin was so penetrated by the role that given enough time writers would have started to write for him, just as for Tom. he would have also benefited from having a different script editor putting him on a different perspective, again just like Tom.
>>220344050If Eric Saward and Ian (((Levine))) fucked off sooner, it would've saved the show.
>>220343949Trial of a Time Lord is kino.
>>220344240If you're gay, sure
>>220344315Nu-uh
Polly Wright
>>220343914The show had been going nonstop for 22 years by that point. Impossible to think nowadays.
>>220345688Honestly it really isI'm barely old enough to remember catching a few late Baker Mk I episodes as a wee lad, not even realising that the sun was already setting on the show creatively speaking, and subsequent episodes only really served to exist by capitalising on the show's dwindling but still substantial popularityBaker Mk II was my favourite era since I was an '80s kid, and the show was still fairly popular even then (I had quite a few toys and comics), but it was clear even to me that the heyday was firmly behind it, and that older family and friends who were once fervent viewers had basically given up on it
>Hinchcliffe era is accepted by everyone as the undisputed GOAT era>Gothic Horror based mature stories >Yet no showrunner does this again Are they retarded?
>>220345957Similar story with today's NuWho situation. Except worse because now they have 2-3 year gaps between seasons so people have even less of a reason to give a shit.
>RTD suddenly wants to focus on godlike beings he dubs "the pantheon">barely lives up to this new premise>aliens hardly show up anymore>only 8 episodes per series>most of them are a gay gimmick
>>220337019Me neither to be honest but the story itself is good.
>>220346146>why doesn't he just alternate between the Master, the Daleks, the Cybermen, or an alliance between two of them? just like in the good old days where he had creativity!
>>220346072Moffat kinda did. or tried
>>220346293nigger, just because he didn't fall back on the usual crutches doesn't mean the "fresh" ideas were still any good
>>220347301why did you read this as defending RTD2? he has always been a hack, he just got exposed to people who only rewatched his first era with nostalgia goggles.
Moffat >RTD1 > Chibnall > RTD2
>>220344240Imagine how much more Kino it would have been if Holmes hadn't died part way through writing the conclusion and they hadn't farmed it out to Pip and Jane (although in fairness its definitely some of their better work). Imagine as well if Ben Aaronovich had been writing for the show then and they'd given it to him.
>>220348201Why did British people in television have a knack for dying halfway through something? It happened a lot throughout Doctor Who.
>>220348245I love when you read about them and it'll say "they had taken ill and were very infirm" and you think they were like 80 but they were only 45
>>220348030R2D > Chibnall
I just saw ''Kinda'' now. The Tegan dream subplot is so bizarre. I Kinda like it (no pun intended). Thoughts about this serial?
>>220345688>>220345957for a long time there were only 3 TV channels and I think that helped give the series a ''captive'' audience.>>220348201I remember hearing that in the original script the Valeyard was the 13th Doctor, that had run out of incarnations and so wanted to extend his life, and ignoring the paradox.but I'm not sure desu.
>>220317687you are a gayTegan/Nyssa is the hottest companion combo ever
>>220348617It does show the flaws of the three companion set up that they had to have Nyssa spend the entirety of it asleep
>>220348739>Chris Chibnall: what if I brought back three companions as everyone loved that so much in the 80s right?
What does Ryan do to keep getting stopped by the police?
>>220330533BBC iPlayer has all Who for free and if you're not a bong it can be accessed outside of the UK with a VPN
>>220348903They discriminate against people with disabilities (even though his disability was mentioned literally once and then ignored for the rest of his tenure on the show).
How the fuck do yanks get to watch Classic Who on YouTube for free
>>220348617might be my favourite Davison serial, apart from Androzani, which is pretty much hands down the best.
>>220346379Moffat is cut from the same cloth as Gaiman as a writer. Obsessed with being "clever" and stroking his own ego. His whole shtick is riffing on throwaway jokes of old stories and drowning them in bathos and cheap puzzles. Even Heaven Sent is a glorified Chronic Hysteresis.
>>220349171If you want to watch the non nigger versions that have been properly presented in good quality then you have to buy or pirate the blu rays. So they're still getting their money.
>>220349451I don't disagree.I like Moffat up to a point, but only up to a point.
I'll still defend Moffat to my dying days as most of the critics were only using the (first) RTD era as a measure of quality to compare with instead of the entirety of Doctor Who.
>>220349654I mean, he's like five times better than RTD.Still, I like only like him up to a point.That fucking Dracula series he made really soured me on him. The first two episodes were great, and then it was basically the worst thing I've ever seen.
I had to endure 10+ years of>David Tennant was better>When's David Tennant coming back?>David Tennant was the best Doctor>David Tennant should come backAnd then I pissed myself laughing when they got what they deserved.
>>220349885>David Tennant returns as THE Doctor, not time travel, a multi-Doctor story, or a flashback>he's a grizzled old Kramer looking fuck being told off by a trannyppppfffffssshhhhhahahahahaha
>>220349885He was an improvement over Eccleston (and I think Eccleston is a great actor, just dead wrong for The Doctor), but the Tennant era basicallly forced me to accept the sad truth that nu-Who is pish and I never looked back
>>220350096Nuwho > classic who
>>220351281If you're gay.
>>220352243I love Doctor Who and I am straight.
>>220349534>you have to buy or pirate the blu raysNot OP but I've been buying the blu rays because I like to support shows I want to see get releases (like both seasons of Blakes 7 and hoping the other 2 seasons get released)Black Friday is great and most sets are under $30 and a lot under $20. The extras are incredibly packed! I do wish they'd hurry up and release more though.
>>220312769One thing I found offputting when I was a kid watching Tom Baker hand it off to Doctor Five is Baker's costume was silly and eccentric but someone might actually dress that way. Dr5 wore literal ?'s on his collar like some supervillian from.Gotham Ciry. The vibe was 'Kid Show' unignorably.
Pertwee viewer here again. I did watch Colin's first season when it first came out on blu and recall liking it and him. Davison was dull. Tom is fun but holy shit his fucking mouth herpes! Haven't really seen McCoy aside from meeting him at a con and seeing the Fox tv movie 30 years ago. I've been buying the blu rays for years now, most are still shrink-wrapped, think I saw most of Tom's on streaming years ago. Finally dug into Pertwee, I have no choice but to keep watching because I already own all his sets, I'm trying to do a chronological viewing run starting with him (still buying the first 2 doctors but will watch them out of order. While Pertwee didn't really grab me, I still had fun enough with the stories so It's not a bother to continue, glad to hear his next season gets better.
>>220353326>It's not an '?'. Where I'm from it's a symbol of hope.
>>220315275>but you're smoking crack if you think 7 had better written stories.The entirety of seasons 25 & 26 is just a straight 8 serial run of absolute kino, Baker doesn't even have 8 good serials across 7 seasons let alone 8 in a row.
>>220348622That's actually a pretty good twist, one that would have set him up to be a much greater adversary to the Doctor going forward. It also fits well with the Doctor becoming more badass now (albeit in a very British way with sarcasm, bantz and the cutting verbal insults he dishes out to his adversaries); you can't have a fuddy duddy in a scarf or a bland ex-vet fighting his greatest enamy, Himself. The Valleyard would always be two steps ahead as he had literally seen what went down when he was the Doctor, how do you defeat an opponent like that?If anyone could, the chad with the awesome coat could, and it would have been a blast finding out how he would have done it.
>>220350096Neither Cracker nor Doctor Who were the same after Eccleston left. Tennant had a few very good stories, but he also had a higher proportion of bad ones. As popular as Tennant was with normies, you can more or less draw a direct line from the overly hyperactive way he played the character to the high kicking, all singing, all dancing, “yas queen!” shouting Doctor that basically killed the show. I think Eccleston was right to play it with a bit more seriousness. Capaldi also did that for one series.
>>220323918The show is pretty much dead, isn’t it? There’s supposed to be a Christmas special later this year, but so far nothing has been filmed. Not sure it’ll actually happen desu. RTD wrote four different versions of a script depending on whatever the BBC decides to do with the show beyond that (and probably whether David Tennant is available again). There doesn’t seem to be a new Doctor or showrunner lined up either.
>>220355023That Christmas special is gonna be an utter clusterfuck. RTD can barely write something competent when he's not trying to tie up all his loose ends. You just know he's gonna salt the earth on the way out
>>220349534>that have been properly presented in good quality then you have to buy or pirate the blu raysLol no, they've fucking ruined the last 3 Collection sets with overly egregious AI upscaling. They've been using it for years mainly on stories without any surviving film inserts but these recent sets have dialed it up to 11. 8 years I've waited for season 21 to get Androzani in the best possible quality and they completely fucked it up. People have done tests with their own VHS footage and found they've started running shit through something called Topaz, on the default settings with 0 quality control and the results are truly abysmal.
>>220354944>after Eccleston leftCracker was just hitting its already impressive stride when Eccleston asked to be killed off, and they followed up his departure with some incredible episodes until it started getting stale towards the end of series 3Generally I would agree though that Eccleston era was the peak. Fuck, Cracker was just an amazing show from the start really
>>220353732kek
>>220348739>that they had to have Nyssa spend the entirety of it asleepThat is less of a creative limitation and more a retarded contract decision/mistake. They wrote her sleeping due to Sarah Sutton not be contracted enough as a main cast member for the full series.
>>220311908I've watched it since the 1970s and I can tell you for certain that the GOAT is here
>>220330582I orbited weekly for her satellites
>>220350096Eccleston is the only good reboot doctor
>>220356530Both RTD and Eccleston completely misunderstood the appeal of the show and the character
Zoe Heriot
>>220311908If you did not like Adric under Fourth then you probably will find him worse under Fifth. Fifth and Adric just do not particularly mesh together very well, coupled by the show also having to give less focus on the dynamic given there are two other companions (and the lack of real variance between the team) and even just writing Adric even worse in a general sense.
>>220356715Polly, Victoria, Zoe. 2nd Doctor era had good taste.
Tong McGinty
>>220356409I'm trans btw.
>>220356716I don't think anyone has ever liked Adric except JNT who was probably getting some nice bum fun from himHis death was pretty well done though and I remember being shocked as a lad that they actually did it
>JNT and his boyfriend would scope out Doctor Who conventions for what they referred to as "doable barkers" (young men)
>>220357481I do not get the conceptualisation of Adric as a character. JNT apparently intended him to be a Artful Dodger working class street smarts criminal type character, yet he is just a maths nerd. It is not even as if they the two have to be all that opposed. I imagine you can write it so he is good at maths and also a more brushful & cunning type character, given that is really what the Doctor is. Not that I particularly rate his actor, it is not even as if you can say it comes down to the actor given he is just not written like that at all.
>opportunity for someone to be in a position where he could get molested by Lalla Ward as Romana>position goes to a fag
>opportunity for someone to be in a position where he could get molested by both Sarah Sutton as Nyssa and Janet Fielding as Tegan>position goes to a fag
>>220356530Smith > Eccleston
>>220356476
>>220358480How did she age so bad?
>>220358538She's Asian
>>220358480kinda surprised they didn't drop a Barrowman joke knowing The Boys writers obsession with sex and how the episode was about trying to become immortal
>>220334040>>220343715Incredibly based 6 Doctor fans. He owes a fair bit to his books, they really help him shine in a way the series sadly wasn't able to.I've heard the audiobooks are even better at that, but I haven't really listened to any.>>220343799I struggle with his Dalek story thanks to that bizarre romance aspect with the funeral attendent
>>220353371>glad to hear his next season gets better.He bounces of Jo much better than he did Liz, the first (and best) Master and him work together wonderfully, it comes together. As I remarked earlier, if you dislike it after that, 3rd's era just isn't your cup of tea.>>220355023>There’s supposed to be a Christmas special later this yearBlunt take but I think making Christmas Specials a big thing for Doctor Who was a mistake, or at least, making them be "Christmassy" instead of a good story that happens to be at Christmas>>220356715She has a nice bum.
>>220359049Simm > Delgado
>>220348617The final psychedelic/surrealist classic Who serial.
Anthony Ainley is great but definitely overused
>>220359301It is more he is often wasted with bad scripts for both him and the character to work with.
>>220349451>Chronic HysteresisBased Meglos appreciator
>>220359301He loves the part and gives it 100%, itsas>>220359343said, stuff like Logopolis, Castrovalva, they just kind of suck.
>>220359369I know many people say they like Logopolis but to me it was always nonsense
>>220359404The book made it clearer for me what the writer was going for, but it was still obtuse even for Doctor Who
Peak Ainley is from the cutscenes for the that game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2LkspJTxU
>>220359049>She has a nice bum.I cannot blame the guy on the right at about 9 seconds in.
>>220359301He's a tryhard Master.
>>220359404Do people like it for the plot, or is it more for the aesthetic, tone, vibe, whatever you want to call it that the season as a whole has that they more like? The whole season has a sort of melancholily and parts dreamlike aspect to it.
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>>220359404If you want nonsense then The Leisure Hive is worse.
>>220348617I believe Moffat's kink for doubles comes from it.
>>220340090Drunk on set even, and it shows in some episodes.
>>220348617Like a lot of Doctor Who serials I like the concept, yet the execution is all a bit so so.
>>220359719which ones?>>220359721its why the books and audiobooks can cheat a bit, the stories are often, not always, much grander in scale than the tv show ever could manage
>>220359721What is the biggest case of a concept being interesting but being badly executed?
>>220359429Although The Leisure Hive is more pure nonsense and drivel
>>220359673Funny I just had this reply >>220359808 ready to go before yours
>>220359763The Great Intelligence in general. Though I think that is more due to the concept itself being interesting in a way that a narrative around it cannot just particularly explore without becoming removed from the core interesting part. I remember watching The Abominable Snowmen several months back for the first time and thinking by far the most interesting bit was when the head monk talks about when he was astral projecting and he encountered something. It is all very Lovecraftian in the idea of there being some immense thing that is hard to understand and describe being stumbled upon, yet then actually trying to do something with the concept just does not work. It either becomes just sort of generic stuff like the Yeti's or sort of undermines the scale and mindfuck of the core aspect like what NuWho did.
>>220359643Oh yeah I definitely dig the atmosphere in Season 18 but Baker is at his peak "I don't want to be here" which brings it down a lot
>>220359847I don't think Web of Fear or Downtime do the Great Intelligence justice either, its used more as a puppetmaster than what it could be. I'm not saying I'd find it easy to execute the concept myself either, and even with the full potential unreached, I am very fond of Abominable and the aforementioned follow-ons
>>220349595>>220349451Moffat's bullshit is really bad when it doesn't work, and even when it does work you need a taste for it (I personally love it but I recognise it's not objectively great, it just plays well to what I like), but I'd say it's at least entertaining.
