What went wrong?
Nothing. WB being retarded is a feature not a bug.
No Martian Manhunter.
This guy's job was to clean up and wash everyone's palate after Zack Snyder's extended flameoutI didn't particularly like his Superman but it was, pound for pound, a top-ranking Superman movie and probably an upper-tier DC movie.I don't think your beef is really with this guy.There is a reason comics reboot their continuity every 10 years and I guess there's a reason they usually land like a huge shit log into an already-clogged dubai slave laborer toilet
Absolutely nothing.
>>220318763>but it was, pound for pound, a top-ranking Superman movie and probably an upper-tier DC movie.It was The Flash, but with a crossed-eyed Jew playing Superman as the titular character. It was visually and plot-wise as bad as The Flash.
>>220319343Okay I mean I forgot they made The Flash and I think it's a time travel movie, and Superman did like four times the box office and has four times the Rotten Tomatoes score but I want to stress that your feelings are valid I guess ??????????There's a narrow definition of something "going wrong" that applies to these facts and we're super lucky you landed on it
>>220318763>top-ranking Superman movieDemon Slayer beat it and it made less than MoS even without inflation. Supes tapped out at 618M while Demon Slayer ended with 741M. Demon Slayer the IP even has significantly more lifetime revenue than Superman even though the IP's just 10 years old compared to Superman who debuted in 1938.
>>220319647>Supes tapped out at 618M while Demon Slayer ended with 741M.
His career peaked with Super and he couldn't top it.
>>220319699Budget was 20M too compared to Superman's 363M . It's a MASSIVE success.
>>220319647I don't give a shit or know what that is, japanese jerkoff cartoons have no value, please go to the board where you can talk to other puddinghead fatass middle school kids about how you like to hitch up your gut rolls and jerk off
WB finally relented and released the JL Snydercut to critical acclaim and then decided they'd rather reboot and release flops instead.
James Gunn's wife needs work pls understand
>>220319869You're so mature. I bet you watch Martin Scorsese movies.
>>220317285the DCU has been one giant trainwreck ever since they didn't bring bale back as batman. the MCU worked because Iron man had two good movies before they even thought about bringing in other superheroes. it built up slowly but purposefully. the DCU ignored its best character/actor and started over with a bad director, then they decided to start over again, also with a bad director, also leaving out pattinsons batman. they made all the same mistakes twice.
>>220320094When the doctor man explained that you have some kind of fucked-up permanent brain condition that will forever divide you from the fully functioning human being you were supposed to be, he meant that you should go home and have a nice weekend and gack yourselfYou didn't catch it because, you know, shit-on-brain syndrome.But now you know.
>>220317285He tried to mimic Marvel movies instead of making DC different. The Dark Knight should have been the blueprint, not Guardians Of The Galaxy.
>>220317285too many reboots and fuck ups. I dont even care what they do with superman or batman anymore, Im not watching any of it
>>220320094>I bet you watch a famous director's classic filmsdo zoomers think this is an insult?
>WB is in financial difficulties.>Superhero fatigue.>Bad marketing.>WB executives are all over the place.>James Gunn isn't the right fit for Superman.>Frankenstein's monster of a slate where some things pre-Gunn Superman are canon and some aren't.>Continuing from that, some projects were greenlit pre-Gunn too (Lanterns etc).>No build up or use of FOMO to build franchise momentum.>Die hard Snyder fans online.>Too high a budget.>Film was just okay and did nothing interesting. >James Gunn is a divisive personality.
>>220320306I find it hilarious that Gunn said Clayface take place before the Superman movie because he killed the character in some dumb cartoon (Creature Commandos) that nobody watched.
>>220317285>What went wrong?[Spoiler]Nothing.[/spoiler]
>>220320094I read books
If you want to make Gunn fans spiral, just ask them where the new universe began.>It was The Suicide Squad, Gunn made it>It was the Peacemaker show, actually>It was The Flash! It ends with a reboot creating the DCU!>It was Blue Beetle! The first film post-reboot!>Actually, Creatures Commandos is the first release of Chapter I: Gods and Monsters>But Superman begins the universe too
Snyderbros are faggots
>>220320764Normies don't even know if Pattinson Batman is the DCU Batman or not.>>220320348Kek what? This is retarded.
>>220320348kek, trying to make cartoons canon with simultaneous movies is such a bad idea
>>220320817They are bloody basterd bhenchods
>>220320817>Best Movies of the Decade>Man of Steel (2013) Because Zack Snyder’s attempted epic of D.C. Comics films turned Hollywood’s worst commercial tendencies into astonishing reconsiderations of myth and beauty, I’ve dubbed him ZSnyder (in memory of the 2016 passing of Vilmos Zsigmond, groundbreaking cinematographer of the ’70s). ZSnyder’s first Superman film holds up over repeated viewings as the decade’s most daring and unparalleled expression of our moral and aesthetic needs.>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) ZSnyder transforms comic-book gimmickry and graphic-novel potential into a powerful ethical query.
all I know is the first suicide squad movie, wonder woman 1984 and the flash are some of the worst movies Ive ever seen. So fuck DC
>>220318763This post right here makes you wonder are there really shills out here? Or is this guy literally retarded? The movie was fucking awful on every level.
>>220317285No sauce.
>>220320940based gay autistic black man
>>220320881>>220320894Wish i was joking.
>>220321274
>>220320940>professional contrarian opens his mouth
>>220317285Snydershit drove the IP into the ground, and they are now playing the cinematic universe game after the bubble popped.Should have done actual movies when they could instead of anything they made after Nolan.Oh, well... at least it isn't snydershit
>>220320989>The movie was fucking awful on every level.At least it wasn't snydershit
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>>220317285>DAY ONE: Hires James GunnThere's no coming back after this.
>>220319647Adjusted for inflation, the superman movies total at like 6.5B
>>220318763Fuck off Gunn, go to bed.>>220320989Maybe he's some pajeet on Team Pedogunn.
>>220317285They literally hired a known pedophile, at a time where he was fired from a far left corporation for being a pedophile (before they realized that, for their far left audience, being a pedophile isn't a dealbreaker)
>>220321274>>220321335>One movie and one cartoon out>Chronology is already fuckedWelp, that's pretty much DC in the comics so at least this time Gunn is doing the right thing.
>>220319743Superman grossed less than man of steel.Combined with the box office failure of the suicide squad, the message is clear: fire pedophile james gunn
>>220321434>>220321434Man of Steel didn't do as well as they needed it too, hence why the executives panicked so much.
>>220321597>making jokes makes you an actual pedophilereally weak bait
>>220321764Just a reminder, this is bogus accounting, and the movie had already covered its expenses before it even hit theaters.
>>220321846Then why did the WB executives panic so much and scrap the build up plan or Man of Steel 2?
>>220317851unironically this
>>220321840Just a reminder that he didn’t just write nearly 200 “jokes” about wanting to have sex with or rape children, many without any setup or punchline, but also authored a book where a character sharing his name raped children. He was also friends with convicted pedophiles, with whom he shared these kinds of jokes.It's all very "icky".
>>220317285Much to the dismay of Gunn, his politically minded fans as well as comic autists, general audiences (especially international) expect a certain style and tone when it comes to DC. From Nolan, Snyder, Reeves and even much of the CW stuff. You will see this confirmed with The Batman: Part II
>>220321923Because DC wanted their own Civil War so they finally made that Batman vs Superman movie they had on hold for years and made it a MoS sequel.
Snyder had vision. Cavill was perfect, so was Affleck.Gunn gave us MCU 2.0
>>220322003And scrambling and changing your plans last minute because of the competition is completely normal behaviour and doesn't reek of the issues behind the scenes. They were not getting the returns they wanted.
>>220321565>Adjusted for inflation, the superman movies total at like 6.5BDemon Slayer's total revenue's at 10B. Compare that to Superman's.
>>220321923Unrealistic expectations. They have the opposite problem now where they grant Gunn enormous freedom.
>>220322083>Compare that to Superman's.
>>220317285Good morning, sir!
>>220322134>>220318787
>>220322112But that is not adjusted for inflation at all
>>220323358It is.
>>220323404No, box office alone adjusted for inflation comes to 6.5B.
>>220317285too many kikes
>>220320504what a bunch of unbridled faggotry
>>220318787Do you want to be white, or is it some worship of superman thing?
>>220320504When will it be legal to kill faggots?
>>220320989Superman 2025 wasn't awful on the level of "Superman and Zod commit 9/11 on Metropolis until Superman breaks Zod's neck"
>>220317285No big assed Wonder Woman
>>220324371It was a total train wreck. The visuals were terrible, the dialogue cringeworthy, the acting accidentally hilarious, and the whole thing was just a dump of plot and character exposition. Despite the story trying to be upbeat, it all felt cynical, like the director just wasn’t feeling it and phoned it in.
>>220323455>box office alone adjusted for inflation comes to 6.5B.
>>220317285Gunn is a one trick pony who is nothing more than a hack if he's given more than he can handle. His Superman movie was literally actually Netflix original tier.
>>220319869>capeshit retard thinks he's above animelmao
>>220325251Justice league?
>>220325518That's not a Superman movie.
>>220324449>Despite the story trying to be upbeat, it all felt cynical, like the director just wasn’t feeling it and phoned it inThis. The same retards that will go "muh media literacy" can't understand this. Gunn is a soulless troma-boy who can't get out of the gutter and direct a decent, wholesome movie. The same shit happened in his GoT flicks and The Suicide Squad.
>>220318763The movie was fucking awful. They tried to make a feel good movie, which was a fine idea, but it was awful. Project Hail Reddit already surpassed it, random shit beating superman can you imagine, and its actual feel good shit. They will waste 5 billions before admitting what everyone can see. You will never be able to start succesfully another universe until you close the zack sneeder one. People wont move on. Wasting 500m so he can finish his movies is a cost saving measure. (without even counting the insane merch that ZSJL pulls to these days, every quarter there are new figures, it never stops selling). Yes, you are being ransomed, yes, its not morally good, but until you pay the fucking ransom you wont be able to start shit on your own.
>>220320217These. People expect a somewhat "prestige" series out of DC characters. Something shitty but pretentious. Thats why even the batman pulled 750m. People dont want saturday morning as they want with Marvel. Nothing wrong with saturday morning, but people expect pretentious shit from dc.
>>220318763Stopped reqding after "top ranking Superman movie" lmao you reddit fuck
>>220321923They didnt, They upgraded MoS into BvS.
>>220321335"Nope" is such a insecure response.
>>220326135He is a jaded ironic genx that thinks being jaded and ironic is cool. He made it look goofy because deep inside he actually thinks feel good and being hopeful is goofy. Thats why everything is a wink to the camera. Because he is a redditor in soul. He cant do sincere stuff. And he believes honest, sincere people are stupid, thats why he dresses them with goofy suits and goofy cinematography.For whatever crap Snyder gets for being dark and nihilistic, he represents hope and human will. And he goes great lenghts to present it as the best thing in the world.
>>220317285Gunn
>>220317285Gunn. Gunn went wrong. He’s OK for Marvel because their entire shtick is built around bickering and soap opera drama, all the way back to its inception. That’s why Gunn was such a good fit for Guardians of the Galaxy, which played pretty much exactly to the model established with the Fantastic Four - a bickering, dysfunctional family. DC characters, at least we got past the silliness of the Silver Age, always had a darker, more serious tone.
>>220320940Fuck yes.
