why didn't a simple garbage disposal manager living in a mansion like this raise any suspicions?
>>220325966Because managers at a garbage company can make $250k+
The FBI was investigating him for 6 seasons.
People can own companies and profit from them without being rank-and-file workers
>>220325966It's a house made from cardboard on land that is either a reclaimed swamp or garbage dump
>didn't raise any suspicionsLiterally everyone knows he's in the mafia though.Pretty sure even in season 1, Melfi knows who is is because he's a "suspected mob boss". It's an open secret.
>>220325966>garbage disposal manager How could that be? Just don't put any spoons or chicken bones in there.
>>220325966We have people running day care centers with no kids driving Ferraris and the government keeps sending them checks.
>>220326000Thet don't get paid in garbage???
>>220325966In the 90s a shoe salesman could afford that house.
Didn't Carm's dad hook them up with the home or something? or did I make that up
>>220327783nah i think he maybe did some diy around the house and then carm and her dad tried to build their own house
>>220325966Most garbage men could afford homes like this in the 90s.
>>220325966He was under suspicion the whole time. Do you not remember the cops on him?
>>220326081Spoken like a true civilian. The kitchen can be a battleground and when the garbage disposal goes that’s like losing a division of men.
>>220325966He had other businesses, and gambling income - which is untaxed
>>220325966Waste management actually pays pretty well. Probably not well enough to buy a McMansion in Nyu Joisey though.
>>220326006And their case fell the absolute fuck apart without Tony even knowing it
>>220326069>Melfi knows who is isGood morning saar
“Kill all Borko viewers”.
Carmelas dad would have been all over the development applications etc and wasn't this just after their wedding? Also, wasn't he technically a consultant which could mean anything. Consultant at my last job was billing us $310 an hour
>>220326025there would still be a record of who owns it and the FBI would be checking.
>>220329327>Consultant at my last job was billing us $310 an hourWhat the fuck? How is a consultant of any kind getting paid that much?
>>220326069>>220328664OP is asking why the feds let him get so powerful and wait too long if everyone knew he was a mafia member.
>>220329431if you're a consultant with one of the large consulting companies that works with fortune 500 companies then they charge a lot. Also getting billed doesn't mean that's your salary.
>>220329451They were more focused on the New York side and paid little attention to New Jersey, they also really underestimated just how paranoid Tony was.
>>220329431CFO with over 30 years in a very specific industry. I was the finance manager and they dropped me pretty roughly, been off for about 6 months now
>>220329220The case only fell apart because every informant they flipped ended up deadWhich, come to think about it how did all their snitches dying not get Tony straight up arrested? You have a very clear case for motive since Tony's not only a suspect and person of interest but has a reason to see these people dead. That's usually good enough to get someone arraigned and remanded.
>>220325966>disguised as a duck
>>220329431>How is a consultant of any kind getting paid that much?>implying their billed rate is what the worker actually receivesConsultants are salary workers. The company they work for is who's getting the billed rate. Much of the time those Deloitte guys, even the senior consultants, if you calculate it out are making sub $40/hr when you account for the fact that they're often working 12+ hour days.
>>220329451For the same reason that they "let" any famous real-life Mafia boss like Capone or Gotti get so powerful: Because they didn't have the evidence to secure a conviction in court yet and so they're still building their case before they arrest the guy. Even if 100 credible witnesses testify that you're a Mafia boss, they still need a specific crime to actually convict you of.Tony's rise and fall as a powerful mafioso happens pretty quickly relative to the speed of a federal investigation of a powerful mafioso. The show opens with him as a mere capo, and he's still in a power struggle with Junior as the first season ends. He doesn't have huge prominence for long. Takes a while to prioritize a guy, build a case, and bring him to trial, especially if he's careful at all.
>>220325966It's in Newark, real estate is cheap as no one wants to live there
>>220325966it was before internet phones and social media made everyone hate success
>>220329837they've had RICO since the 80's so there was no reason for the jersey family to get powerful in the first place.
>>220329890It's actually in North Caldwell NJ, where upper middle class people live and the properties cost a lot.
cause I was fuckin his fat parmagiano ass ya mmamalauejrf
>>220329918RICO convictions are incredibly rare. They are very difficult to prove.
>>220329837>>220329918>Because they didn't have the evidence to secure a conviction in court yet They had evidence, just nothing a lawyer couldn't get suppressed or labeled circumstantial. They had circumstantial evidence in abundance but you need admissible evidence for a case to go to court, to be able to issue an arrest warrant too.
>>220329918There's legal limitations with RICO the FBI can't really circumvent without getting cases tossed out of court.
>>220330034the only limitations that exist are mental ones, like self-doubt. The FBI just needs to believe in itself and with that power they can convict anyone they want to.
>>220329689One killed himself out of guilt, the other had a stroke in the car before being able to attend a meeting with a wire.Adriana is harder to prove because they never found a body. Big Pussy though, they've had him flipped since '98, that's their fault they didn't bother to record any of his testimony in case something exactly like him getting whacked were to happen, the feds should've thought of that as a real possibility since their prime target had suspicions Pussy was a rat, a signed affidavit would've done a world of wonders for the court.
>>220330006>just nothing a lawyer couldn't get suppressed or labeled circumstantialLike fucking what?
>>220330120Yea but Pussy never really committed he played both sides to the point they were just going to arrest him
>>220329918RICO was 1970. The main tension behind the entire show was that RICO was decimating the Mafia and the sun was setting on their lifestyle. Have you seen the show? Real world examples, Gotti wasn't even made yet when RICO passed, and he lasted 4 years as boss, same ballpark as Tony, before being arrested. Vincent Gigante lasted more like 10 years as boss before being arrested. Even post-RICO, it takes time and specific crimes that they have good evidence for.
>>220330006Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. What an absolute midwit thing to say.
>>220330218>Circumstantial evidence is still evidenceBut it's not admissable in court, shit it's not even enough to get a search warrant most of the time. Prosecution almost always needs concrete, admissable evidence when presenting their case to a judge. If they don't then it blows the fuck up in their face.
>>220330202Feds should've made RICO easier then. >Be italian>have a huge house>never be seen at your jobthat's all you should need for a conviction and a lethal injection.
>>220330098>the only limitations that exist are mental ones, like self-doubt. The FBI just needs to believe in itself and with that power they can convict anyone they want to.This is true. My dad was an FBI agent, and he got many mafiosos convicted simply because he yelled a lot in court and at his boss.
>>220330295Well, sure, I can agree with that in the case of italians. We would want to watch the slippery slope on that one for sure though, lest it someday be used against white people instead.
>>220330319>My dad was an FBI agent,Your dad's a fucking faggot who spent his career with James Michael Bulger's semen dribbling down his chin.
>>220330286Circumstantial evidence is allowed in court.
>>220330286Wrong, you can get circumstantial evidence labeled as admissible in court you need evidence of motive (slam dunk actually) and reasonable inference.The case against Tony should've secured conviction even without informants but somehow it didn't.
>>220330286>But it's not admissable in courtlol. What you mean is it's often not enough to convict. It's better to have blood everywhere and video footage of the crime, but circumstantial evidence is very useful in court.
>>220330295Sounds liked anti-Italian discrimination to me. I can't let this slide. Columbus is a hero on this board!
>>220330384OOOHHH! The balls on this prick!
>>220330496Wasn't circumstantial evidence by and large what they used to charge OJ? Because that should've been an easy conviction
>>220330567why would an innocent man run from the police?
He also owned the pork store and was a part owner of the Bing, no?
>>220330567OJ is different because we now know the darkies on the jury voted not guilty because they couldn't let go of the Rodney King shit
>>220330698He also had commercial property he was renting out which became the Jamba juice. I get OPs point but if the house can be explained as a wedding gift from his father in law, Barone sanitation covered his stable income and health insurance and then he laundered his way into all these random businesses I think the show pretty well covers this off.
>>220330698Even then those could be chalked up to diversifying his business ventures, this is again, why the RICO case was nearly impossible to pull through with.
>>220330698And wasn't the pork store inherited from his father?
>>220330827>diversifying his business ventures,Is there not a limit to how many businesses you have a hand in or a stake in in America?
>>220330809ok but how did he get those properties? They would know they werent acquired with cash at market rates.
>>220330800>the darkies on the jury voted not guilty because they couldn't let go of the Rodney King shitMarcia Clark bungled this case, expecting black women to come around to see the case from her view. Fuhrman didn't help either, but this should've been an easy conviction.
>>220330915I believe a few of those were under Junior's name, if I'm not mistaken.That was another reason why Tony managed to beat the Feds was that they were convinced Junior was the mastermind of the whole operation and Tony was a pawn
>>220330915Yes shit you wouldn't get away with today but 60s-90s they would have had means, especially when people like satriale wasn't saying shit
>>220331065he doesn't have to say anything. They just check transaction records and see that no money changed hands.
>>220331128Yea that's my point all of this stuff was acquired before modern record keeping. They could have used cashier's checks stubs that were forged from the begging. And the Bing, it seemed like it was mostly Sils so if Tony bought out 20% of it as an investor with vendor finance etc. It seems like with nearly everything he was a part owner
>>220330800They voted motivated by the wrong things but they came to the correct conclusion. OJ didn't kill them. He was at the crime scene before police got there and you could easily argue he was an accessory after the fact but he was obviously not the one who used that knife. He didn't want to see his son go away for life and he knew for damn sure he stood a better chance of getting out of the situation a free man. I don't agree with what he did but I don't blame him for doing it.
>>220325966I really can't tell if op is a thirdie or a Europoor by calling that house a mansion. It might be considered a mansion in your country but it's really just a big house with a pool here. No one would call it a mansion.
>>220331390you're a retard dude, it was only OJs blood mixed with Goldman and Nicoles. No dna of any other person was ever found
>>220331527Yeah, because they didn't try to match it to anyone else, and the sample was an unusually low percentage match, almost like it wasn't his DNA but a very close relative's.
>>220330907Lol no. Thank god im not a europoor
>>220329918Pretty sure it’s a running theme of the show that the mafia wasn’t what it used to be any more. The NJ guys were small timers who didn’t even have real fuck you money beyond having a medium-large mcmansion and some fancy jewelry and cars. The NYC guys were more powerful but better established and operatedMight as well ask why the fbi doesen’t take down every gangbanger who posts their automatic weapons on instagram. They have limited resources and a small time mob family isn’t worth all of the effort needed for an immediate absolute conviction beyond a couple agents
>>220331691they weren't a small-time family. They would've been causing lots of problems all over whatever city they were operating in. They had their hand in all the building construction and would've been getting protection money from most small businesses.
>>220331390>OJ didn't kill them.you've gotta be fucking around right? There's tons of evidence, which I won't go over here, and the Bronco chase etc. He very certainly is guilty.
>>220331841Their entire operation was probably operating in the low millions a year, if that. That’s about the yearly revenue of a busy mcdonalds store. The government absolutely feels like they have better things to do than devote an entire state department to get absolute convitions on these guys
>>220325966because all his irs filings were legit and the money was right.
>>220332240The problem is they were killing and assaulting people left and right over petty grievances.
>>220331527we barely even knew what DNA was in the 90s.plus it's his fucking house of course his dna is going to be everywhere.
>>220332240lol zoomer… that gets contradicted in a million different ways throughout the show. we hear major fucking numbers quoted all the time. the esplanade alone was worth millions a year. https://youtu.be/9tRHf7tgPNk30 boxes of ziti. in one duffel bag run. tony barely acts surprised.
>>220326132hmm cool i guess
>>220325966Everyone knew? The cops, fbi, his own neighbours.
>>220331566I don't know what sample you are talking about that had a low percentage match or from what piece of evidence it was taken from?
>>220325966But he did, the FBI was constantly building a RICO case against him and his crew. They even bugged his daughter's dorm by accident.
>>220327431Yeah but Tony never scored 4 touchdowns in one game, he never had the makings of a womens' shoes salesman.
>>220332445They wanted to listen to that thick jew chick's farts
>>220332308all big police departments were taking dna by then. You could possibly explain Nicole's dna being found at OJs but there is no explaination for why Goldmans blood was found inside OJs home or vehicle or how it was a mixture of blood from all 3 of the people involved.
