2026, and this is still the definitive Batman.Many attempts have been made, all good in their own right.But none come close to this.
>>220326761Its a children's cartoon though. That's kinda a negative
Bane was treated very poorly in this, which is one of the few downsides. But it redid Freeze in a fantastic way and that more than makes up for it.
>>220326761I really wish they hadn't redesigned everyone for that 3rd season.
>>220326862why? would it suddenly be better if batman was allowed to say fuck?
>>220328492The art style is too cartoony and it's sometimes too silly. Its not just swears and sex that separates kids entertainment from everything else.
Catwoman owes me sex
>>220328969Gain taste.
>>220328969Muh edgy muh harley farts and barbara sex
>>220326761Riddle me this Batman,What's seven feet tall, 328lbs and surrounded by darkness?
>>220326761I really like the fact that the Arkham games borrowed so heavily from this.Batman and Gotham have such a rich lore and so many things going on, it's criminal there was never a live action series.
>>220329446>there was never a live action series.There is a prequel show called Gotham, it features a Gotham City straight out of the comics.The sad problem is that with live action, all the directors have this gay obsession with making Batman grounded and realistic, where his biggest enemies are the mob. But the mob/organized crime is only one of many things Batman fights
>>220326761I remember some new animated show was released like last year and it was advertised as the same team as this, yet it came out and no one gave a fuck, what happened?
>>220326862batman is for childrenanyone who says otherwise is retardedbut it is ok to enjoy things for children, just be honest about it
>>220330371Bruce is gay pervert
>>220330371>Over the hill brain destroyed by gooning to the point he made the Penguin a woman Bruce Timm
>>220330371Caped Crusader just wasn't very good, there was a cool episode where he fights Gentleman Ghost though.But I'm biased because I love it when they have Batman fighting supernatural enemies
I wanted this to happenlike for adult swim, but not sure what writing style
It makes me cry bros.
>>220328969>this cartoon is too cartoonyGive me an example of a cartoon which is the right amount of cartoony
>>220330631This is cancer.
>>220328969Probably the first time I've seen someone have negative taste.
>>220326761Everyones definitive Batman is the one they grew up with.For the creators of B:TAS it was clearly 1970s Batman which they channeled.
>>220330631>what if they were all teenagers and knew one another
>>220330631damn, harley is standing blowjob height
>>220331369>>220331245they do know one another
>>220326862Batman is a comic character. He's for children by default
>>220328969>it's sometimes too sillyI like the artstyle, but I kind of agree with this. I rewatched it recently and there was this scene where the Joker gives Batman a present with a spring loaded pie in it and I remember thinking it was way too silly for me.
BTAS and pic related are pretty kino
>>220331557>the clown had a spring loaded pie>too cartoony>clown>cartoony
>>220331616I think I just prefer my Batman grittier. I know it's a silly concept, I can enjoy the silliness of it when it's really played up, like the Batman 1966 show, but I think the issue is that BtAS tries to have it both way. It tries to play these stories seriously, but then it also goes for silliness that clashes with the overall serious tone. It's a good show with plenty of qualities, art style, voice acting, etc. I just wish it would have leaned slightly more towards the serious tone.
>>220326862Superheroes are for children you retard.
>>220326761>Many attempts have been madeHave there been a lot of attempts though? Every single Batman cartoon since 1992 has either been gimmicky or a low budgety piece of crap or some toyetic thing primarily focused on selling toys to little kids. No one has attempted just a basic-ass Batman show focused on characters and storytelling.
>>220330631die
>>220326885Bane was never that good. Azrael taking over as the dark knight after Bruce gets his ass kicked to become a more ruthless and cruel Batman and Bruce subsequently getting his grove back and finally confronting Azrael to take back the mantle was the actual interesting conflict of Knightfall. Bane breaking Batman's back is just the catalyst to that
>>220330371It seems insane that they decided to go for serialization instead of episodic shows, maybe more of a Justice League type thing where they would do 2-3 episode arcs at most but full serialization with cases? Eh... It could work but it's totally a "why" situation.
>Take a joke character and turn him into a tragic villain>New origin is so damn good the comics turn it into the canon backstory
https://youtu.be/Nri3o0KFg-8?si=iPDWCIylN_xJDVeeNah, this is the one.
>>220326862This is precisely what Alan Moore was talking about when he said that superhero comics had totally lost their way. To this day, people still don't understand that Watchmen was satirical and entirely intended as a criticism of the comics industry in regards to how they were leaning more and more towards making superhero comics gritty. No, Batman should not be fucking portrayed as a detective who is investigating serial killers. That is fucking preposterous. And it's so stupid that we are now at a point where we're supposed to take a movie about a dude who dresses up like a fucking bat to fight crime as seriously as The Seventh Seal or Irreversible.Fanboys just can't stand the idea of growing out of their heroes and need to force them to grow up with them.
Batman Beyond is the only thing that compares and that can be considered a continuation.
>Create sidekick character for Joker>So incredibly popular gets brought into the full DC comic universe
>>220330371turns out Bruce timm is a one hit wonder.
>>220332121Alan Moore talks a lot of shit for someone that made a career of making comic book and public domain characters edgy. That's his entire shtick.
>>220332178Bruce Timm was only one component of what made Batman: The Animated Series and other DC shows at the time amazing. There were many other people involved with these shows that made them sing, people like Eric Radomski, Paul Dini, Dwayne McDuffie, Alan Burnett, the list goes on.
>>220332154>show is mostly just boring teenage soap opera boring
>>220326761>all goodLmao. No
>>220332188Spoken like someone who has never actually read any of Alan Moore's superhero comic work at DC before The Killing Joke. Particularly his work on Superman. Go read For the Man Who Has Everything and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. Go read Tom Strong.
>>220332217Didn't he hate the Killing Joke? Furthermore is it not edgy? What point are you making?
>>220330371People gave a fuck about how bad it was. Outrage like that has a short half-life though. Warner knew it wouldn’t be a success, hence why they let Amazon have it.
>Basically a love letter to the Batman that inspired the show creators>Voiced by Adam West
>>220332217I read all that and his brit stuff as well. His entire output is repackaging trite shit.
>>220332239I'm saying that if all you think to Moore is edgy superhero reinvention, you've never read Alan Moore.
>>220332061not just the comics, the 1997 film
>>220332287If you think V for Vendetta is trite, then I'm not sure why you read comics at all. Hardly any comic comes even close to that.
>>220330371It was super low budget with stiff animation, had bad acting, focused on the female characters instead of Batman, and was super "woke".
>>220332284no, it's a homage to the pulp fiction and matinee serials that inspired BatmanThe Shadow, Zorro, etc
>>220332284B:TAS is inspired by the 1970s Batman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WgoiJs8vFE
>>2203323471970s Batman was far more hardcore than anything in BTAS. That's total BS.
>>220332387Tell me about the Phantasm, why does he wear the mask?
>>220332276I went into the show with low expectations but I wanted a simple Batman show that was just Batman doing detective work in 40's Gotham with a really bleak and dirty looking city but everything is just sterile looking and looks like it was made on a pretty low budget.
>>220331562the redesigns were too radically different and stupid for me to enjoy it
Outside of the comics, this was the only time Batman was ever good. Throw the last season in the trash though.
>>220330371>>220332178>>220332195It was Bruce Timm but none of the other animators or writers
>>220332412Basically all the shows that followed BTAS were low budget, at least relative to when they were made.Look at other modern examples of ‘cartoons for adults’ like that invincible show. It’s all about cutting corners in the hopes people show up for the IP.
>>220332412>>220332489The follow up series evolved from the Superman seriesThey learnt that the animation style on BTAS was too difficult for the overseas studios, and expensive too, so they had to simplify it a process that already began on the Superman series
There is no reason to watch any cartoons after the 1990s. Unless you're high and have a high tolerance for low effort/no budget animation.
>>220332412>>220332489>>220332513On BTAS they did storyboard and layouts in the US and sent the work to studios in Asia for the animation, TMS being the best of them and Akom so bad it got banned (or was that Simpsons that banned it?)iirc they did infact outsource all the work for some episodes of New Batman Adventures - in fact looking at imdb I can see 5 Japanese names have director credits
>>220332676to give you an idea of TMS quality, they were the ones that _airbrushed_ the frost onto Mister Freezes helmet something that was never in the storyboards or character design - they decided on their own to improve it, iirc it was a senior manager who hadn't even animated for a while that did it tooTMS were responsible for Robin doing the Akira slide and Bruce doing the Akira motorcycle jump punch in Phantasm as well, the same animators having worked on Akira
>>220332121>No, Batman should not be fucking portrayed as a detective who is investigating serial killersHe should actually.Reasoning -> it improves the level of storytelling by removing more of the limitations the Saturday morning approach has.And there's no reason why you can't do that either, since the only "fantastical" element of Batman is a military type suit that could be conceivably worn by a vigilante IRL.
>>220326761It was shit, and signaled the downfall of western cartoons.
>>220326761Mayhaps, but my favorite depiction is still pic rel. Good story, and Peter Weller's more subtle approach as Batman is underrated.Michael Emerson as the Joker is also great. Brings a believable, serial-killer esque quality to him.
>>220332996Yeah. G.I. Joe, Hong Kong Phooey, and The Smurfs were a lot better.
>>220332121The grit didn't begin until Watchmen and DKR.Watchmen started out as a story to bring the Charlton Comics characters into the DC universe.This evolved into a story that was about trying to expand comicbook story telling, being the Moby Dick of superhero stories.Moores criticism of superhero comics didn't begin until later.>No, Batman should not be fucking portrayed as a detective who is investigating serial killers. That is fucking preposterous.No it isn't.
>>220333019X-Men the animated series mogs those
>>220333014Something it overlooked is how Batmans appearance changes as the story progressesAt the start he is a classic late 1960s-1980s Neal Adams derived BatmanBut as it goes along he becomes bulkier, hunched, warped
>>220333053TDKR Batman IS the classic Neal Adams one, he's just at the end of his rope. And yes, he replaces agility for strength at that point in his more advanced age.
>>220333052I would hope so. It was a 90s cartoon. The only time cartoons were ever actually good.
the one bad thing about Batman TAS is that it introduced harley into everything
>>220332217Have you read Moore's Swamp Thing? It's straight up horror with some drama mixed in. So if he imposed his own suggested limitations on himself, a good amount of his works wouldn't even exist, including Watchmen which is still a superhero comic.>but muh satireNot an excuse.
>>220326761I liked Arkham Batman, don't count his death as canon.
>>220333033>The grit didn't begin until Watchmen and DKR.Tell me you've never read a single Dennis O'Neil Batman comic without telling me
>>220332121Batman was out there investigating serial killers basically from day one. Batman #1, 1940, the Joker's very first appearance is as a serial killer taking people out with a slow-release toxin so that it looks like he's getting through tight security to murder them.
>>220326761How does the version voiced by a gay man also have to most devout Christian values?
>>220332121>Batman should not be fucking portrayed as a detective who is investigating serial killersthis is literally what the character started as dumbass. the magazine he originated in is fucking called detective comics.
>>220332121>Fanboys just can't stand the idea of growing out of their heroes its fine to indulge every once in a while as an adult, but yes you shouldnt be geeking out over it all the time.>need to force them to grow up with them.yeah, thats the gay part. superhero edgeslop is embarrassing and old cartoons are infinitely more mature despite being made for children
I always forget this episode exists. I rarely ever saw it on rotation on Kids' WB.
>>220333721Annie, are you ok? are you ok? Are you ok, Annie?
>>220332489invincibles at least has decent character designs. all the batman shows had him looking lame as fuck, regardless of animation quality
>>220326761This show has the greatest depiction of every single Batman villain across all forms of media, except maybe Penguin in the Burton film.
>>220326761Much like The X-Files a 3rd of the episodes are hot garbage.
>>220333887yeah devito was born to play that little freak
>>220333887Penguin in the show was great. He was deformed but he was also sympathetic. The Burton version is great too of course, but definitely a more evil character.
>>220333914Nah. Unless you count the Kids WB season, there's like, 6 or 7 bad episodes. Even the 'lesser' episodes of Batman were better than the best episodes of any other kids cartoon.
Its still garbage for kids Batman needs an R rated movie
>>220333940That's kids stuff. Batman needs an NC17 movie. I want to see bat-erections everywhere. And this time when they rape Joker, I want to see the penetration. I want to see body fluids.
>>220333928the fake bongoloid rendition in the bamham games is pretty entertaining too, though he's more of a joke there
>>220333964>so ya think nothing's funnier than a creampie, do ya Mr J? Let's see how funny you think this creampie is
>>220333940I want an R rated Thundercats movie. And G.I.Joe. And Muppet Babies as well.
>>220334099a dead serious Megan is Missing remake starring the Muppet Babies would be on message for the IP as well as psychologically damaging to the audience. It's a win win.
>>220334131I could see them doing that with Arthur
>>220332121Alan Moore is a cynical, shroom-addled old fart who made one good thing 40 years ago and hasn't had a single good opinion since, and if anybody on this planet is an arrested development manchild it's unironic Alan Moore fans still trapped in their teenage contrarian nihilist phase.
>>220333940>Muh grimdark shitno thanks
>>220332121>Alan Moore says superhero should not be gritty>Writes The Killing Joke, one of the most notorious gritty takes on BatmanMaybe he shouldn't have made them gritty then? Gritty works well sometimes, sometimes more silly or childish works better. I think there's room for both.>Watchmen was satirical and entirely intended as a criticism of the comics industry in regards to how they were leaning more and more towards making superhero comics gritty. No, Batman should not be fucking portrayed as a detective who is investigating serial killers.Whatever the quote about satire, clearness of purpose and target is. If no one can tell it was meant to be a satire, maybe it's because it went well outside the scope of what it was trying to achieve. Yes, it's like if these characters were gritty and real, they would just be these fucked up people who would end up doing more evil than good. But then that in and of itself is interesting beyond the scope of mere satire and ends up telling a really compelling story about competing visions for a better world and utopianism.I don't get why one interpretation would invalidate the other. And again, if he was against making superheroes gritty, why make them gritty?
>>220334529ntg, but Alan Moore regrets writing The Killing Joke. He thinks it's cringy as fuck now and is embarrassed by it.
>>220332121>To this day, people still don't understand that Watchmen was satirical and entirely intended as a criticism of the comics industry in regards to how they were leaning more and more towards making superhero comics gritty.So Moore is now claiming "I was being retardedly edgy and juvenile on purpose"? Lol. Is that unwashed faggot Garth Ennis doing the same with The Boys?
Harley Quinn and Robin carried this show Batman and Joker sucks they are both gay and are boyfriends
>>220332061My GOAT.
>>220334540>He thinks it's cringy as fuck now and is embarrassed by it.>Worships GlyconArguably more cringy and embarrassing.
>>220326761For me, it's Baby Doll.
>>220334561Except Watchmen isn't retardedly edgy or juvenile, have you even read it? The people within the story are intended to be portrayed as real people. That's like the whole point of it, is that real people are incongruent with superhero antics. If a real man had Superman's powers, he would abuse them or become apathetic to suffering. If a real man behaved like Batman, he would be a mentally ill loner with an anger problem and conspiratorial paranoia. It's insightful and surprisingly empathetic.
>>220335418>rorschachs journal: today I tortured a pedophile to death then dropped a guy down an elevator shaft for annoying meyeah, not edgy at all
>>220335523I'm really confused here. What exactly qualifies for you as something that is edgy? Is it any movie that deals with dark themes? Is Schindler's List edgy because it specifically deals with the topic of the Holocaust? How about a movie like The Hunt starring Mads Mikkelsen? Is that movie edgy? Is anything that is PG-13 for you considered edgy? I know this is a blue board, but if you're not an adult, you should get off this site
>>220335626>Uhhh what's the definition of edgy again?Don't use words you don't understand my ESL friend. I accept your concession.
>>220330636
>>220335626nta but you sound like a complete head up your ass faggot cunt
>>220335626nta, but in order for something to be edgy for me, its roots have to be rooted in something inherently childish. Like a superhero comic with graphic violence definitely qualifies. To me it's like making a Care Bears fanfic where all the characters get raped by Pennywise or something. Or, you know, a movie starring a Batman villain getting raped in prison. It's a bit cringy and juvenile. A movie like Se7en, which is not an inherently childish thing, is just adult. I don't think Watchmen is really that bad of an example, there are much worse examples of comic books (or comic book movies) trying too hard. But I do think most of the attention that Watchmen as a comic book got in 1986 came from insecure adult comic readers who liked it simply because it had "naughty" bits in it.
>>220335717jesus i can hear your accent through the screengo back to having a pint and crying about chelsea or arsenal or whatever the fuck you louses do in between meals of vindaloo and nandos
Obese neckbeards be like:>This isn't edgy, it's realistic
>>220335754That's really the problem. People used the word edgy decades ago to describe any movie that had a hard edge to it. A rated R film. A film with lots of gore. But now people use it dismissively to regard any piece of media that they regard as pretentious. It's not a real criticism just like "it insists upon itself" is just a meme criticism from fucking Family Guy
>>220326862FpbpOP BTFO
>>220335805Again, clearly someone who has never read this comic before, or likely has never read any book, comic or otherwise, before in their fucking life. The whole point of these scenes was to demonstrate Rorschach's total emotional instability. Just because comic book nerds took it to mean that the guy was badass or telling it like it is, doesn't mean that was what Alan Moore intended with the work. Rorschach is established as being unhinged, violent and prone to outrage over everything because of a disturbing childhood meant to mirror Batman's own horrific upbringing. Alan Moore is attempting to showcase what an actually damaged person becoming a vigilante actually looks like. He was more right than anyone could have possibly known.
Don't mind me, just posting the single most soulful Batman show
>>220326761I have Batman TAS on Blu-Ray. the quality is so good. I needed some TV shows to add to my physical media collection, and decided to get this despite never watching the original run of the show. the best aspect is just the fact they drew onto black paper, so all the blacks hit extra hard in every little scene. even the colors have a slight blackened color to them that gives the show a completely unique feel to any other cartoon. thats why i always enjoyed cartoons/anime. yeah nowadays you can use CGI in movies, but for a long time cartoons was the ultimate way of showing pure fantasy. even some things are just better left into cartoon world as far as what drawing a show vs filming can accomplish.
Go back to /co/cksuckers fatsos
>>220335984you sound desperate
>>220335863>NOOOO YOU NEED A HIGH IQ TO UNDERSTAND ALAN MOORE DONT POST THE SOURCE MATERIAL NOOOOOOO
>>220326761>>220326862>>220328969This had the major benefit of being made right at the tail end of when animation was still made by hand and didn't look like shit, like weren't the Akira guys the animators? and you had this weird situation where DC or WB or whoever let the writers actually write shit that wasn't just lasers and lasers but blue. It really leaned into adapting believable versions of all the rogues and since it predates the other DCU characters and series so they didn't need to make like superman level threats. The early Batman and villains are pretty grounded considering it's comic book stuff
>>220335863You tapped all that out and didn’t realize you said the exact same thing as the post you replied to.
>>220326862>>220328969You’re brown.
>>220328969>>220326862Just wait until your little mind is blown knowing the animation team behind many Batman TAS episodes were Japs. so is the animation better or worse knowing the country with the best animated movies and shows also were the ones putting pencil to paper in making this show?
>>220330226he fights the mob in like year 1 and in the long Halloween. year one apparently triggered the shit out of that fat fuck kevin smith because he rewrote it to have batman piss himself in one of the scenes>>220329446Were the Arkham games specifically based on the cartoon?
All of a sudden, the white man grew found of Batman TAS.
>>220332121>entirely intended as a criticism of the comics industry in regards to how they were leaning more and more towards making superhero comics gritty.the irony being that all of the comics that came after were aping watchmen because watchmen was gritty?
>>220335754In the care bears movie, the villain is a kid who was sexually abused at a summer camp. For you, since we’re ignoring what it actually means, does that qualify as “edgy?”
>>220326885bane was a lame character, he only became a meme when nolan made him farcicalsee also iron man being lame and not widely known before he was picked for marvel film head
>>220336417I actually liked Iron Man before the movies. But the first one is decent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63i2NR9-LE
>>220331562I'd snap the eraser head embryo robin's neck with one hand just to rid the world of that hideous bobble headed abomination.batgirl is close to receiving the same.
>>220336417Ironman started being cool as soon as they put him in an arcade fighting game.
>>220326862It's a man in a bat costume
>>220332387never liked that film, seemed a waste. crappy villain, nothing really happens.it's well made but a waste opportunity.
>>220336530thats ok, i too watch through it and just dont think it was that great.
>>220333014don't know if I've seen those, but I like Peter Weller so I might have a look.cheers
>>220335833Because “edgy” originally meant “pushing the limits of what’s socially acceptable.” On the “edge” of being offensive. It was a game of oneupmanship where the last edgiest person/thing defined how far the next could go and still be “safe.” Thus “edgy” becomes an utter joke when everyone has unfiltered access to every manner of mental illness. Making an almost racist joke has no impact when you’re standing next to someone frothing at the mouth and screaming “all niggers must fucking hang.” The “irony” game also collapses when no matter what anyone can “ironically” say or do, they’ll be within earshot of someone saying/doing the same who isn’t being “ironic.”An ESL would say “this is to be the language is the evolving,” but the reality is more about how once corporations lost control of what could be said and done in media, their ability to have impact vanished.
>>220333887catwoman in burton film was Michelle pffeiiffer
>>220333940there is a XXX one, watch that
Batman TAS threads are always so comfy, bros. i can accept if people just don't like the show (fair enough), but i hope 4chan never becomes so cynical we lose this.
>>220336301That isn't what happens in the movie, that's just you projecting your traumatic childhood onto a movie for toddlers.
>>220336610I’ve never been to a summer camp.
>>220336628To answer your question, yes, if Big Bird molested Elmo it would be "edgy". No matter the context.
>>220336477>>220336462dunno, he was pretty lame in the 90s, despite him having his own cartoon series where he fought weird comedy aliens and chinamen every week.do you mean marvel vs capcom?
>>220336542never spoken about it before but I was disappointed when I watched it, having liked the series itself.felt like they didn't have rights to any of the villains, or a decent story.
>>220336661even if Elmo is a little slut?
>>220336661So your definition of “edgy” is exclusively “adult themes” in “children’s media.”
sigh, you do understand that the main reason why Batman TAS is so highly praised is because they took Batman, which was originally a noir themed detective, and made him feel more akin to that kind of content.yeah its ridiculous that batman is a bat man. but within the sphere of comics and superheroes he isn't one, but he is suppose to be the worlds greatest detective and fighting crime because his parents death is his main characteristics. so when you say this show is "for kids" its actually bullshit because its more mature as a drama that most kids wouldn't get and they would just watch it because look at this cool guy dressed like a superhero fighting crime. its a nonsensical argument to make or engage in because you clearly didn't watch the show.
>>220326862>>220328969Epic bait
>>220332178>>220332455Timm was hard carried by Paul Dini
>>220327429What's your issue? Input the scripts and screenshots of the episode into ai and get the original look
>>220332996You literally have no taste
>>220336661This shit is for children Its embarrassing that grown men are calling this cartoon a masterpiece read the pre Flashpoint comics thats where the best of Batman is before James Gunn ruined everything
>>220336960Comic books are for children, yes. You don't have to be embarrassed though, it's an anonymous message board, anon.
>>220329445your mom being airtighted by several nigger midgets
>>220326862Anon, I…
>>220336826Nope. It's when adults try to take children's media and make it exclusively for themselves by injecting R-rated content into it.
>cartoons are for children!!!!!!!!im sorry did i stop you from enjoying your network television slop of globo homo leftist propaganda?
When i see the Joker i can no longer take him seriously i just laugh thanks to Todd Phillips Alan Moore and Christopher Nolan
Batman and Robin are both Gay
>>220331797You’re a fag
>>220337033>nope. its [the exact same thing (you) said]
>>220337052Yes
>>220337376No. Superman seeing the color of Lois Lane's panties is an example of "adult themes" in a PG movie. That is fine. Superman ripping Lois Lane's spine out her neck would not be fine.
Harley is a cute girl
>>220337947anon. you don't know what edgy means and just made up your own definition. >>220336588
>>220332217Spoken like someone who is cherry picking Alan Moore's work to make it seem like he isn't just a very pretentious capeshit writer at the end of the day which is precisely what he is.He's one of the best comic writers ever but he's also a huge cunt and a fucking retard who hates everything including his own work.He's the Harlan Ellison of comic books -- a great writer whose work is outshined by his own ego.
>>220337988Making superheroes (an inherently children's medium) something so r-rated that it's no longer appropriate for children is 100% an example of edginess. Batman and Superman are no different from Kermit the Frog or Raggedy Ann. You can have adult themes in a movie featuring Kermit the Frog. But you shouldn't show sex or gore in a movie with Kermit. The same is true of sueprheroes. The only people interested in r-rated superhero media have insecurity problems. There's where edginess comes from: the desire to be seen as more adult, to be taken more seriously. Even though pushing those adult themes often has the opposite effect. It makes you look like a child.
>>220330371It was peak kamalacore.
>>220338063>just keeps repeating his made up definition
>>220338102Funnily enough, a lot of these guys who create these edgy superhero stories eventually do mature to the point where they realize how embarrassing their past "edgy" works are. As is the case with Alan Moore. He was an edgelord when he was young. But he did something that not many manchildren do: he matured.
>>220338051>He's the Harlan Ellison of comic bookskek, so true
>>220338051>He's the Harlan Ellison of comic books damn if that isn't a good way of putting it.
>>220338126You don't have any idea what you're actually talking about.
>>220338214We can just talk about how shitty Zack Snyder's movies are if you like. I'm always game for that.
>>220338126Just stop dude this is embarrassing lmao
>>220338230Being embarrassed over everything seems to be the root of your problem, yeah.
>>220338063>Batman and Superman are no different from Kermit the Frog or Raggedy Anndo you actually believe this? because it's absolutely retarded and it sounds like you have no brain of your own and just adopted some alan moore statements as your whole complete and unnuanced worldview. you shouldn't do that. in my eyes, your only redeeming feature is that i don't believe you actually meant what you said and were just exaggerating for effect.is a picaresque novel the same as the epic of gilgamesh? is a tv show the same as the count of monte cristo or anna karenina?
>>220338247that is a "no you" that only a brown would lack the self-awareness to pull.
>>220338221for me, it's how this cartoon for children gave a supporting character a similar 'angel or devil?' speech as Snyder's Lex Luthor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAS-803geQkexcept he actually had a character arc and a genuine motivation to think this way. the Jesse Eisenberg Lex was just insane, or something...?
>>220338326Yes. Batman and Superman are children's characters. A man who dresses up like a flying mammal and punches bad guys at night while driving around in a car shaped like his own face is purely the stuff of silly imagination.
>>220338398Your fear of the other also comes form your deep-rooted embarrassment of yourself.
>>220338456anon. no one is afraid of browns.
>>220338408The 90s DC cartoons are amazing. Better than the comic stories being done at the time. I have no idea what they were thinking with that Lex Luthor choice. I'm guessing they didn't either.
>>220338476It's not me you have to convince.
>>220326761>>220337107THEY KNEW!
>>220338412hmm yess i'm leaning more towards on the side of believing you're trolling after this response.have fun in that case, we all gotta do what we gotta do to entertain ourselves
>>220338522I dunno, if I don't convince you that you're stupid, who will? who even can?
>>220330371I watched this last night after it was mentioned in this thread and holy shit, it's like Batman TAS without ANY of the soul.Also, you can tell how much those Jap animation studios contributed. They definitely did a ton of the heavy lifting in terms of animation because this show looks like every poorly animated piece of shit that comes out these days.Also, Bruce's new voice actor is very flat and one-note, and a terrible fucking Bruce Wayne with none of Conroy's charm or whimsy.>female PenguinWhy. Lots of "why" here even though I really like the initial idea.
>>220336990Wrong again, Batman
>>220335891I'm a zoomer and this is the show I grew up with. I remember liking the game on the ds.
>>220332175...and then becomes pure cancer
>>220338498>I have no idea what they were thinking with that Lex Luthor choice. I'm guessing they didn't either.you know how in the mid-20th century, hypnotists were villains? some pulp writers read a news story and thought, 'oh shit, imagine if these guys were evil'? well, the recent trend of dweeby tech CEOs is the same shit. they're eccentric weirdos but they have strange powers.even before Bezos and Musk, the writing was on the wall. Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999) is made-for-TV kino and still the best Steve Jobs flick. and the Sontaran two-parter of the new Doctor Who in 2008 had a dweeby tech CEO villain. you could release that exact same story today, anons would complain 'we KNOW who that's based on, WE GET IT.'
>>220339310yes anon, everyone knows why they wanted lex zuckerberg, the issue is it failed, as he just comes off as a spastic that no one would ever tolerate, much less obey, for any amount of money.in order to nail lex bezos, you also need him surrounded by similarly spastic incompetents who's positions were secured either by sycophancy or just outright bought. To the point where lex musk isn't even the main threat, but the system of upward failures he created out of self-aggrandizement.
>>220330636chuck jones
>>220332175>>220339286this shit sucked immediately.i know it has the famous cover, but this comic book is one of the worst i've ever read. i know there was weird shit like JLA: Tower of Babel, but this was just incredibly uninteresting.so Harley Quinn is just some girl who's already nuts and she's a Joker fangirl, she stalks him until he agrees to fuck her, then he immediately wants to get rid of her.Poison Ivy decides so that Harley can become a cool new OC-donut-steal, she'll brew her a magic potion that: increases her reflexes! boosts her strength! grants her limited healing!...i guess in the 90s, you couldn't just have normal human characters fighting, because then nerds would complain about power levels and shit? so EVERYONE had to be partially metahuman/magic/whatever?her and The Joker don't have any chemistry or a relationship (whether that's a genuine one or an abusive back-and-forth). i'm guessing the writers wanted to leave their options open for her return. or maybe they didn't understand WHY people liked the character yet.the 'Mad Love' comic they did for the actual DCAU comics, and then adapted into the cartoon episode, that was so much better.
>>220335891It was more of a DC all stars show than it was Batman. It couldn’t decide what it wanted for an identity either. It was built on campy classic Batman, but tried to dip its toe into creepy and edgy stories now and then that left it feeling a bit jarring.Having the spic blue beetle play such a prominent side character was a mistake, also.
>>220339433>in order to nail lex bezos, you also need him surrounded by similarly spastic incompetents who's positions were secured either by sycophancy or just outright bought. To the point where lex musk isn't even the main threat, but the system of upward failures he created out of self-aggrandizement.you're onto something there, anon. but maybe that cheapens Lex himself, if people just want HIM to the big villain?but you could essentially scale up the Gene Hackman version for the 21st century. instead of individual bumbling sidekicks, it's entire teams of them. sort of like picrel.
All I know about Alan Moore is he claims to have seen Constantine IRL, that he practices real magic, and that he believes in a Roman snake god
>>220339839The “modern lex luthor” is cheap, replaceable, and a servant of a machine he can’t comprehend.
>>220340770Yeah, no thanks
>>220326761Ra's al Ghul had the best episodes imo. His episodes felt like a mini movie. Also David Warner had a great voice.
>>220332121Watching /co/mblr moore dickriders get mocked anytime they leave their containment board is always hilarious. /lit/ roasts these fags especially hard.
I thought he was a donut steel, but he actually was in the comics.
>>220335891I remember the amount of butthurt this show initially started.
>>220335891>The hammer of justice is unisexKINO
>>220326862>Batman is for childrenyes
>>220336477Nigga he was in (one of the best) arcade fighting games that's older than you.
>>220341017This episode suckedFelt like a lazy stealth pilot for the werewolf, the whole backstory dump was unnecessary
>>220340816Hence why Snyder’s Luther is a complete failure as a character and villain. Even if he didn’t miss the mark completely, it wouldn’t be compelling.
>>220339880>real magic
>>220331797You're a faggot who doesn't like Batman you just like indian slop.
>>220341206Being behind Captain America when Captain America was considered lame and gay isn’t a good look. I do vaguely remember playing it once, but then Konami put out xmen and that one may as well not have existed at all. Pretty sure the one place I played captain america and the avengers was a grocery store
>>220341328I never said I believe him, just that's what he claims
>>220341206Sir that’s a beatemup not a fighting game.
>>220337972Guess what color her slit is
>>220341374I've always said that some day when I get fuck-you money and build my mansion-bunker, my game room will have either the x men or avengers cabinet in it, along with time crisis 2 an air hockey table, one of those flat bar-table pac man units, and an old galaga/centipede/space invaders 3-in-1, with the big ass cueball for the track ball.
>>220340770>>220341310writing characters (especially villains) has tended to shift more towards psychology and trauma and shit. you can call that 'three-dimensional' but, not really. in plenty of old myths, characters do evil because of WHAT HAS HAPPENED not because of some internal struggle.people laugh at old comics. 'Curse you, Superboy! You burned off my luscious hair!! I'll get you for this--in fact, we are now arch-enemies!!!'that's far more readable and understandable than some inner turmoil that needs to be explained (otherwise, how would we know?). and frankly it's just better storytelling, 'it's too 2D and cheesy!' critics be damned.Smallville Lex struck a good balance. businessman, in his father's shadow but doesn't want to become him, a schemer from day #1 but not for 'evil' reasons. the problem is the writers had no idea where to take it.
>>220341615That Colossus roar.wav plays in my head with crystal clarity 'til this very day
>>220341720>the problem is the writers had no idea where to take it.the main problem with smallville is how they literally couldn't take anything anywhere, as that would be leaving smallville, thus, no longer smallville, which leaves it stuck as an odd teen soap that can only allude to other things.
>>220341720>lex>inner turmoil the only struggle lex really has is that the god damned alien menace known as superman keeps everyone from understanding and accepting how truly based and smart he actually is.
>>220342184yeah the writers should've made it a superman show after they left high school but i don't think they knew how to write a superman story, just how to write teen drama>>220342258based
>>220329446Paul Dini, one of the writers of the show, wrote for the Arkham games aswell
>>220327429Except scarecrow. His redesign is 11/10
>>220330631I remember 2008-2010 being the "imagine X, but they're in high school"what a terrible timeof course, today is more terrible but didn't know that then
>>220339880>he claims to have seen Constantine IRL,I'm sorry he fucking what?
>>220342184yeah it's pretty funny in hindsight. they obviously decided some rules early on but then what? what about when they leave high school? it's all just a 'parallel universe' Superman, not the normal one?they (wisely) never gave their ages, but it's hilarious reading the Smallville Wiki where they've figured it all for the sake of consistency. these are 14-year-old kids. i guess Lex is about 20, just hanging out with them.
>>220329446We actually had a live action batman show it was season 1+2 of arrow
>>220336230I know they were japs and I dont care. Anime is the worst of all because of those lazy long panning shots thag substitute for animation and 5fps
>>220336462I remember Season 2 having an amazing Soundtrack . https://youtu.be/Y63i2NR9-LE
>>220336260Arkham games were indeed based on the cartoon, in fact Paul Dini wrote for both Asylum and City and Origins and Knight took major cues from a lot of storiesCartoon in turn is basically a more stylized take on Burton Batman so really Arkham Batman owes itself to '89 and Returns
>>220326761Poison Ivy is my BTAS waifu10/Melony is my BB waifuSTAS, BTAS and BB are timeless
>>220330371is this the one where catwoman is black?
>>220332061His voice in TAS was so kino. Even retarded ass kid me knew he was a real nigga.
>>220326761Batman works best as a story written like an actual story with a beginning, a middle, and an end. Dragging it out forever like the mainline comics continuity does degrades its themes.
>>220335418>If a real man behaved like Batman, he would be a mentally ill loner with an anger problem and conspiratorial paranoia.Isn't that the route most modern media take Batman anyway? Something that struck out to me with the other wise meh Watchmen/DC crossovers is that the DC bunch never fault Rorschach for going off the deep end given the circumstances he had to work with. He did his best, and others were willing to pick up the torch and iterate upon his legacy.
>>220343740No in Caped Crusader Selina is a rich, white, socialite who's running out of money to fund her lavish lifestyle.It's that trashy Harley Quinn cartoon where she's black, and as an aside, apparently DC forbade them from showing Batman eating her pussy
>>220332175It should have been Livewire that blew up.Perfect foil to Lois, Clarks human side and other Superman villains.
>>220326761Bane is a small guy
>>220342823 I actually kinda preffer this Iron Man theme over Black Sabbath one, glad this isn't /mu/. Though Ozzy was trully magnificent.
>>220332061How can anyone deny that the animated series is the best-ever depiction of the Batman character when it's the source of so much of what we love about Batman? Harley Quinn, the Arkham games, tragic villains like Mr Freeze, Kevin Conroy's Batman etc. Nothing else comes close frankly. When I think of Batman I think of this show first.
>>220342676Constantine is based on a real person. He’s still going around fighting demons.
>>220344516For you
>>220333721pure kino
>>220344257wait, Bruce (?) ran to the boy's left, but when the boy looks at his right then Bruce (?) is there again?Wat?
>>220330631Amazing how this became Beyond.
>>220332061why dont they just have AI redo the series?
>>220326862>Children aren't allowed to have engaging media that excels in all aspects This is why BTAS was never topped and everything afterwards sucks.
>>220330371It was just really bad. I don't know what happened but Bruce Timm is a really obnoxious faggot these days.
remember in the comics when Joker creampied Batgirl they beat the fuck out of her until she lost the ability to walk?what a sick fuckyou keep her healthy so you can keep cumming inside her
>>220332154Everyone on this site always seems to love this show but I watched it on release and hated it. Seeing Bruce getting old and feeble while Gotham is still a shithole made it feel like he accomplished nothing and was depressing, and Terry was a really gay and lame protagonist by comparison. His suit is pretty dumb too.
Daily reminder that the only person more stupid than some jackass shitting out low quality bait is the dumb fuck that actually bites the hook.
>>220326862I can't give a single shit about a thread where it is so obvious that OP samefagged the first post for traction. I know it's probably the meta but it's retarded. Fuck you and fuck WB marketing dept.
>>220326885He's voiced by Freakazoid in the early episodes
>>220346407Everyone has to do this so your thread lasts more than 5 minutes
>>220346064If someone wants to look stupid, help them.
>>220346407Lol I swear to god I'm not op
>>220326885Dini and Timm weren't fans of the character, or anything from the current comics at the time. Same goes for Superman, they right our refused to have Doomsday in S:TAS. Doomsday would, eventually, make his way into the DCAU during JLU.
>>220343740No. Catwoman is white, but Harley is a asian and fat.
>>220333721Strange, they played it over and over again where I lived. I got tired of seeing it.
>>220344403I like good girl, hungry for Supes, Livewire
Batman crimson is badass
>>220340917Every villain voice was spot on. John Glover The RiddlerPaul Williams The PenguinRoddy McDowall The Mad HatterJohn Vernon Rupert ThorneAdrienne Barbeau Catwoman
>>220348703the one thing i hate about this show was how criminally underused the riddler was
>>220348744They said he was too hard to write for. That his plots would come out too silly or too complex.Which I'm willing to believe, but then we got silly shit like Beware The Creeper, and Harley's Holiday
>>220348744i also don't like catwoman being a wealthy socialite who everyone knows is selena kyle
>>220348744He did a lot in the comics based on the show. But then it was cancelled with him left in a coma. Unless you count The Adventures Continue comics to be the same continuity
>>220348890Admittedly, Catwoman was one villain they had a hard time getting a handle on. They really didn't nail her character until TNBA, but then fucked it up with that new design
>>220326885His first episode was lame, but he was one of the few good redos in TNBA
>>220332387Everyone always jerks this off as one of the GOATed superhero films and the writing is still fundamentally of "kid's entertainment" quality, just pitched a little more seriously. The animation however is plain gorgeous.
>>220349418Return of the Joker is, arguably the best of the DCAU movies
>>220332178>Bruce timm is a one hit wonder.I mean he's a voice actor not a writer. If you have him voice Batman doing retarded woke shit then he's not really the problem.
>>220329446>>220336260>>220342876The first Arkham game (Asylum) was mostly inspired by Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on a Serious Earth. Dini and Timm wanted to make a BTAS movie based on that plot but it came out as a regular episode (Trial) of the show
>>220332175Its a shame Hollywood can't seem to make a good film with her. If they just kept things simple and had a hot ditzy blonde going on a bank robbing crime spree with a classic convertible and a rocket launcher getting in Blues Brothers style wacky car chases with the cops then they'd sell tickets like hot cakes.But no, I can't have a movie about a hot chick raising hell without getting a dull lecture on feminism.
>>220332121I think Robin was a mistake and Batman works best as a guy in tights. The whole batfamily thing is retarded.
>>220326885That's because Timm & Dini are fans of classic Batman, and Bane didn't show up until the 90sIncluding Bane was actually a mandate by DC
>>220349274I remember this episode. The one where Comissioner Gordon discovers Batgirl's diary after she is killed. And the diary has all of Batmans secrets written down inside it.The one thing that bothered me was that I couldn't believe Batman didn't have an emergency plan in case the police turn on him and discover his identity. The police literally storm Wayne Manor and Bruce was totally surprised.
>>220333155What death? Arkham Knight had him rebrand with scarecrow toxin.
>>220330371>I remember some new animated show was released like last year and it was advertised as the same team as this, It was a Batman TV show set during the 1940s and 1950s. It's more detective oriented with a film noir vibe like classic old school detective stories.>yet it came out and no one gave a fuck, what happened?It was well received by Batman fans and has been renewed for additional seasons. The only difference is it was released on Amazon Prime streaming since Warner Bros doesn't have a "Kids WB" TV channel anymore like in the 1990s.
>>220350213You have the details wrong.Batgirl is killed by Scarecrow and Gordon goes berserk because Batman had her on his team.But it's all a hallucination the Scarecrow gave Babs
>>220350318gr8bm8
>>220346064>you should let dumb people have their way, alwaysBait isnt't real. At no point do you get to say dumb shit, get called dumb, and then claim victory. If someone decides to share their corrections rather than letting idiocy stand that is fine by me. The problem with "pretending to be stupid for attention" is that the stupid are natually good at it.
>>220326761>>220326761Cum Eat-shuner Gordon.
>>220339880>All I know about Alan Moore is he claims to have seen Constantine IRLthisnigga goes to peoples houses asking about their daughters
>>220332996It was one of the rare instances that western cartoons were actually decent. They've since become pure slop, which is why anime is dominating.
>>220350362>Gordon goes berserk because Batman had her on his team. But why go after Batman and not scarecrow?
>>220350822that's dresden tho
>>220335891Fucking loved this show and I'll forever bash the retards that hated it for being a homage to Adam West era Batman and not just another TAS derivative
>>220331402Dude, that's Penguin.
>>220351077penguin is under standing blowjob height
>>220333014A lot of the movies are good, and it annoys me they don't get the recognition they deserve. The Justice League animated show too, though I occasionally see it get some love.
>>220349497The Joker has been killed off a hundred different ways in various continuities but this is still the best one by far(not the gay censored version though).
>>220351120>>220351120Are you a virgin or just retarded? Draw a horizontal line from Harley's mouth across that image, and tell me who exactly she's at standing blowjob height for.
>>220351220see
>>220351383>Only takes the tipfucking virgin
>>220350964Scarecrow was already arrested.But Gordon considered Batman a friend and alley and yet he secretly had Gordon's daughter on his team (and in harms way)
>>220351695>confuses ghetto gaggers with real lifeturbovirgin
Tangentally related but the habit of using a character's first name in the field is fucking retarded in Arkham Knight. Are you absolutely sure you killed every thug in this copypasted Penguin room, Nightwing? I thought we didn't do that but okay. Thanks for fucking calling me Bruce in front of them.
