We live in a world where Christopher Paolini has a better grasp on dialogue then Christopher Nolan Arya should have still won the Erogonb Owl
It's amazing how god awful "writers" are these days.
I forget did they have sex with the dragons in this?
>>220326836nolan never had a grasp on anything
>>220326892>/lit/‘s equivalent of barneyfag
>>220326836>he's a dragonfucker through and through
>>220326836
>>220326836Nolan has always been terrible with dialogue. Big guy for you became a meme because of it. He's also a shit director in general, he only gets away with it from slightly clever plots.
>>220326836To be fair Paolini is in his 40s now so I'd expect him to have a slightly better understanding of what makes good dialogue compared to when he was a teenager.>>220326973No but there is a pretty funny scene at the very end of the last book after the bad guy has been defeated where Eragon is sitting alone with the elf girl that he has been crushing on all throughout the series and who friendzoned him while their dragons are off having sex in the distance. What makes it hilarious is that they can feel everything that their dragons so the implication is that Eragon is basically just sitting there with the world's worst case of blue balls being too much of a pussy to make a move on his designated love interest.
>>220327240>Eragon feels his baby girl’s dragon pussy getting smashed*hits pipe*
>>220326973there is a magic forest orgy scene in book two. The MC and the elf dont participate but every animal and elf within a mile radius in in on it.
I like the Inheritance Cycle
>>220328208It had many issues, but it's still fun overall
>>220327240>>220327490So that's where Fourth Wing came from.
>>220327240Fuck, that's even worse than what happened to eren from AOT
>>220326836I think this might be because there was a 2017 translation of the Odyssey by some American woman and possibly it's an attempt to "modernise" the story.I've been wondering what the purpose of this film is since it was announced: Nolan isn't going for historical accuracy, or mythological accuracy, or a deconstruction, or CGI spectacle. So why make a grey, 21st century looking movie that strips out most of the aesthetic of the original?Possibly because it's trying to be a hip new retelling that is accessible for a modern audience (blacks and women)
>>220328468>>220327240kek
>>220328633Nolan explicitly said he was going off of Emily Wilson's translation in an interview, and she even used the term dad in the book
>>220328636>No, the cuck ending stays canon and finalbased
>>220328718>Emily WillsonThat explains it. Unrioncily if wasnt for Amy Hennig carrying her entire gender on her back, I would advocate for the ending female literacy.
>>220326892My God. Absolutely no comparison.
>>220328718Yeah ok, thanks for the info.It's trash then. The motivation for the movie is basically that "modern people NEED to know the odyssey!". Why? It's an ancient Greek story, if you strip everything about it's time and place and people from it, all that you have is themes that could be communicated better in a completely modern movie about some cheating slut, or an army veteran coming back from Afghanistan etc.
>>220327240>>220328636I can't say I liked the books that much but them not ending together makes perfect fucking sense. It is a bit of the dreaded "subverting expectations" but she has all the reasons to not want him (including being centuries older and actually having emotional maturity to know this) while his reasons that he does are basically that she's hot, competent and pretty much only female he interacted with for quite some time. The "romance" feels like an adolescent boys infatuation with his teacher because that's essentially what it is.
>>220328718>Nolan explicitly said he was going off of Emily Wils--
>>220326892Fucking brutal. Sanderson has really fallen off. He was no high-tier writer, but he finished off WoT okay. Books 1 and 2 of Stormlight were genuinely good.
>>220328208It's fun popcorn fare. Don't expect anything but entertainment and you'll be happy.
>>220326892But write. Sanderson. DID.
>>220326892Calling Sanderson a "writer" is too much
>>220329317>>220330009I didnt know who Brandon Sanderson was till I watched a few of his lecture series. It was filled with so much humble bragging and out right fart sniffing that I lost interest in any of his works
>>220330009Rhetoric. He wrote a book.
>>220330306>Rhetoric. And you believe it?
>>220327081are you talking about the guy with screenshots of tv schedules that says 'slit your throat'?
>>220326892The only thing Sanderson is good for is being a stepping stone towards reading better literature for kids/teens. An adult reading this slop is concerning.
How is the Eragon series? I never read it but I like dragons and shit
>>220330468i'll take a fourty.
>>220329129no but she did want him, she just rejected him too oftenhe decides to push her away which is more based
>>220332765it's okay'ish, but nowhere near the media hype of being next Lotr/harry potter, just like Narnia and DUDE LEWIS IS TOLKIEN BIGGEST COMPETITOR
>>220328718What's next, a Beowulf movie based on Maria Headley's "bro" translation
>>220328834>That explains it. Unrioncily if wasnt for Amy Hennig carrying her entire gender on her back, I would advocate for the ending female literacy.Tell me about Amy Hennig. What book should I start with?
>>220333409Not books, videogamesLegacy of Kain Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, and Defianceyou're welcome
>>220334358>you're welcomekek, thanks Maddox
>>220332765The first book is passable "Star Wars but fantasy". The prose gets pretty purple at times. Second has some of the most egregious elf wank I've seen in fiction and some naked retcons and some more pilfered Star Wars beats. Third book is wheelspinning. Fourth book is just shit.
>>220326836He's right
>>220326836>fandompulse
>>220326836>fantasy "writer" opinion>literaly the most poorly written genrelel
He wants to appeal to the youngins obviously. Probably be a movie teachers can put on.
>>220327240>>220329129do people really read fantasy books where the main character is a loser?its like that D&D movie but an entire book
>>220326892And Tolkien isn't even that great of a writer, albeit, he's a good storyteller. His specialty was linguistics. Millennials just can't write at all. Zoomers are even worse. Eventually we'll have to turn to AI to bring back good writing.
>>220335171Sanderson isn't a millennial, but he does write for millenials.
>>220326836>"YO Momma where Helen at? Who da nigga who dem stole her from us?!"
>>220334358>>220333409https://youtu.be/4DOKzTHaPfMHere is the intro for Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.>>220328834Dude, J.K. Rowling has written some good stuff. They even made a television series of her detective novels.
>>220335171>Tolkien isn't even that great of a writerTrue his prose is unbearable
>>220334572>The prose gets pretty purple at times.
I would have been your daddy
>>220326892Sanderson writes exactly like a redditor, or LLM. No wonder
>>220326892Left reads like it was written for a children's show like atla or shit like that.
>>220332787>a fourtyWhat a rotten way to drink.
>>220335171>>220335217>millenials catching strays for the sins of Gen Xnot again
>>220337489>catching straysstop talking like a black zoomer. you do realize the origin for this expression is "catching stray [bullets]", right? as in, getting shot in the ghetto?don't willingly introduce that shit into your vocabulary.
Everything about this movie looks so badI wonder if Nolan is just taking the piss? What's the endgame here?
why does every Nolan movie have the same muted yellow/blue color grading
>>220338077because he's a hack
>>220326892>>220332741Tbh I don’t get what’s the big deal. He writes mediocre genre literature and that’s all. /tv/ has literally a horror general that discusses mediocre genre movies.
>>220335171>His specialty was linguistics.Which is why he was one of the very few writers that could consistently pull off archaic English that doesn't sound like renaissance faire cringe. Unfortunately most modern writers don't even bother and just have their characters talk like millennial hipsters (which is becoming rather dated now, amusingly enough) regardless of the setting.
>>220330242Sanderson’s main selling point was that, in an industry full of has beens that increasingly got lazy, he was incredibly prolific. Being able to release a doorstopper popcorn book every year was a massive advantage, and he only got more appealing as publishing houses started aggressively gatekeeping anyone without diversity cred out of the industry. He also was a very vocal proponent of internal consistency in fantasy, which was a breath of fresh air in an atmosphere that increasingly pulled the dragons lmao line to excuse their writing being fucking retarded Unfortunately he let the fact he was essentially winning by default get to his head, and he surrounded himself with people feeding his worst excesses while never refining his craft, leading to shit you see ITT.
>>220332896this, it's a back and forth and i geniunely love it>i'm basically a kid, and i love you>ew>wow you saved me multiple times now that's kinda cool>whatever, don't tease me, bitch>yo i'm basically an elf now can we fuck>lolno, i am suffering serious uncanny valley issues from your very existence right now>hey you've developed a lot, maybe we could try..>no, i am busy now, you silly wench, the whole world is in conflict>well, we're fucked, maybe i can diddle the elf now>no, i am busy now, you silly boy, the world is in conflict>oh shit nasuada wants him, i want him now>bitches leave
>>220339456internal consistency is something i value deeply in fiction.Eragon tried hard to make magic have rules and limitations and I respect that. Even had someone try to "learn" magic and mostly fail despite showing some potential with it and having an insane amount of determination
>>220328208I re-read it a couple years ago, ironically the first 2 books where everything is derivative there is no depth whatsoever and the writing is bad fanfic tier still make for a fun reads as an adult because of the breakneck pace and the ultra cringe dialogue had me lol many times,while the 3rd and 4th where he tries to actually be a writer are just terrible slogs to read with no redeeming qualities
>>220339432>archaic English that does[n't] sound like renaissance faire cringe>characters talk like millennial hipsters funnily enough, Dragon Age has both, at different points, from different horrible writers
>>220340300>Dragon AgeFuck you for reminding me. It makes sense though; the overwhelming majority of vidya writers are washouts from film and tv who could only find work in a medium that is still considered "lowbrow" by most.Think of the most poorly written movie or tv show you've ever seen. 90% of vidya writers failed to meet that standard...
>>220337112https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose>In literary criticism, purple prose is overly ornate prose text that may disrupt a narrative flow by drawing undesirable attention to its own extravagant style of writing, thereby diminishing the appreciation of the prose overall.
>>220332765I don't remember much about it even though I read the first 2 books. There was a secondary plotline with Eragon's brother (?) leading a rebellion or something. The movie sucked.
>>220340560>Think of the most poorly written movie or tv show you've ever seen. 90% of vidya writers failed to meet that standard...Ouch. It wasn't always this bad, was it?
>>220326836Reminds of gow ragnarok dialogue eww
>>220340560I wonder if this could reverse in the future. TV shows have degenerated into retarded garbage where characters have to tell the audience exactly what they're thinking or going to do becaue nobody actually pays attention to them. Vidya don't have this issue, and games like TLOU prove that you can tell a compelling story using a game as the vehicle to do so. Idk, just a thought
>>220326892That redditard therapyspeak in a fantasy novel is just rancid.
>>220341114Yes and no. It was "bad" in the sense that the writing was never held to a high standard, but that generally didn't diminish what they were going for.The writers used to be largely nerds writing for nerds using the nerd material as a baseline for it all, making generally stupid but entertaining window dressing for the gameplay. Baldur's Gate is a great example, since it's effectively highlander set in D&D, but it works perfectly for what it is.Add a good soundtrack and some decent dialogue performed by good VAs and they gave a very fitting atmosphere.It was far better than when bitter washouts with a grudge against the plebs they feel unwarranted superiority to infected the industry
>>220341301Modern fantasy come off as a bunch of californians trying to be funny at the DnD table
>>220340300
Gen X writing vs millennial writing. We need a petition to make it legal to chop off the hands of every millennial "writer" so they can never poison media again.
>>220341455Isn't Netflix DmC written by the same pajeet behind the Castlevania """"anime""""?
"For me, it's JK Rowling's dialogue" said Anon, ironically
>>220341455there is no way the right one is real, right?it's literally unbelievably bad
>>220341455The hidden problem is that when you're writing about the abnormal, you need good actors to sell sincere dialogue. It's easy for an actor to affect a dismissive air and pretend they're just sneering at some dumb lines to a friend while waiting for coffee, but having someone weaving flowery imagery while talking about a time travelling vampire conspiracy without sounding absurd takes true skill. The senior writers know that they'll likely be hiring from beneath the hole scraped in the barrel, so they don't bother correcting the writers shitting out whatever drivel lands on their desk.
>>220341626JK Rowling is a children's author though. I haven't read the Strike novels but I think the criticism would be more valid if she writes in that way in those. Sanderson claims his audience is supposed to be adults
>>220341626this is the kind of complaint that only other writers care about
>>220326836The funny thing is, Zach Snyder of all people understands this. The guy has no idea how to write believable stories or normal human interactions but he understands big, epic moments that need to have gravitas. He understands larger than life characters that are metaphors more than they are people. I've said before Zach would be perfect for writing a Greek or Norse Mythology film.
>>220326836LOL Penis + Gaylan BTFO
>paolini criticising writingshut up fag
>>220326836Language = sophistication of the culture = how the structures of political power maintains corruption, exploitation, delusional schemes of conquest and domination = how the people trapped in it can't escape it or learn to master it for personal profit. This shit is missing in Dunc.
>>220326892This is just writing for people with an imagination vs people without. Tolkein writes so you can picture it in your head, Sanderson doesn't.
>>220342796BOOOOYAAAH
>>220328208>>220339685>I like the Inheritance CycleAnd that is okay, it is a fun popcorn read. Ironically Paolini is the perfect example of not moralising when you are not up to it. It's perfectly okay to write 'and then evil guy lost' but the moment you dab even a little into muh grey morality, you can lose debate with your own villain. Rebels were same dickheads as the King and his forces and Paolini didn't write himself out of it.
>>220329317this is so reddit coded, im glad I've never read anything from this hack
i read eragon for the first time last and was pleasantly surprised been reading the expanse but hoping to pick up eragon sequel after that
>>220343124Literally his catchphrase champ
>>220341677My friend, they wrote a story about US army invading hell and oppressing poor demons, dressed like muslims.It was a triple whammy at the time, because there were two other bigger IPs that tried to paint literal demons of Hell as misunderstood.
>>220341455Everyone is so allergic to sincerity these days. The Internet makes everything so scrutinised that everything ends up having to be ironic, flippant or whimsical.
>>220327240Huh I read those books and I don't remember that at all and I hope that I will forget it again. WTF is this shit ?
Fuck Nolan and fuck Sanderslop, post your favorite fantasy.
>>220341198>TLOU>Compelling story
>>220343767Stealing the plots from The Road and Children of Men is "compelling storytelling" to the low intelligent with low testosterone.
>>220343763It's more like "science fantasy," but still
Eragon is high literature compared to the stuff girls read.
>>220343935Women will read and flick the bean to "Werewolf Rape Dungeon 3: Prolapse Princess" and have the nerve to call men "pigs" that "only think about sex."
>>220343979weird none of that gets adapted, aside from 50 Shades
>>220335149>do people really read fantasy books where the main character is a loser?Jack Vance - Eyes of the OverworldYou're welcome
>>220341455Now that I'm old, I find sincerity is becoming one of the most important factors in whether I like something or not. Even something is complete fucking slop, if the people who made it come across as sincere and it's acted/voiced sincerely, I'll probably find something to like about it.
>>220343763Looks interesting. I can see why you used that cover though kek
>>220344089The digital editions of Vance's books are all terrible. It's great stuff though.
>>220344124Got to that Last Shot excerpt before I had the close the pic from sheer embarrassment. Being a Star Wars fan must suck nowadays. As a Dune chad, I sympathize.
just rewatched Eragon a few days ago. it absolutely sucks, it's not funny-bad or anything, not worth bothering.but fucking hell: Jeremy Irons is trying. he's not how i pictured reading the book, but he understood the assignment and give it his all.
>>220339493Kek
>>220343935It's funny. For all the legbeard bitching about men writing women, male writers are the only ones that can reliably pull off female protagonists.
>>220338077Hoyte van Hoytema
>>220344018Cugel isnt a loser he's a based retard.
>>220326836Paulini isn't a very good writer.
>>220339685>fun reads as an adult because of the breakneck pace i discovered the Conan the Barbarian books way too late. as a 14-year-old i was impressed by Eragon because Paolini actually described the action in swashbuckling terms. actual sword swings, blocks, parries. that was so cathartic after Tolkien where he skips over entire battles (look, i was 14).turns out you can have it both ways, and for me, that's Conan. Robert E. Howard writes battles both 'mechanically' AND poetically. he can paint a vivid scene of an entire battlefield, but you also know where Conan is and what he's doing at all times. then off he goes, on a fun little romp to kill a wizard or something.
>>220344455isn't this guy a Muslim?
>>220344552He is nothing
>>220343979It is amazing how women will go from>"you incels don't know what real women look like. Ban this sick filth!"to>"Leon S. Kennedy owes me sex!"Without any kind of cognitive dissonance.
>>220344552He is whatever makes him money and/or keeps him out of prison.As an aside, I've heard about this nigger for years now but never actually watched his content until relatively recently. After hearing him speak he sounds fruity as fuck.
>>220326836That's because Paolini actually reads. Ursula Le Guin has an amazing essay about this exact issue that's worth your time and consideration.https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/L/Le%20Guin%20-%20From%20Elfland%20to%20Poughkeepsie.pdf
>>220343763Hard to pick favourites but picrel and it's continuation is top tier. First Law trilogy is also kino. Also Warrior Cats, if that counts as fantasy.
"oh hey that's neat, she ordered her archers to 'loose' instead of 'fire'! it's historical pedantry for a fantasy film where they're speaking English anyway, but it's nice that someone in the production--">10 seconds later in the film"oh. oh, i see why."
>>220344455>>220344706forget hearing him, you can see the way his mouth forms words in the webm and see he's zesty and brain-damaged.
>>220341407everything about the creature is just disgusting and annoying.
>>220344774What is picrel trying to say? That certain dialog seems trite in a fantasy setting but fits more in a modern setting? I mean, I guess that makes sense.
>>220344774guess she wouldn't like picrel lol
>>220345080using modern style dialogue in a fantasy story can break suspension of disbelief
>>220345158Makes sense to me. Also I think she's saying that if you use that sort of dialog in fantasy, you may as well just not be writing fantasy, since you've just made it aesthetically identical to a novel set in a more realistic, mundane setting. Basically, a lot of authors don't actually make their fantasy fantastical, and thus miss the entire point of the genre.
>>220345158somehow it works in Game of Thrones them saying fuck and cunt all the time
>>220345229they speak in a fantastical way in GoT, it's just low-brow instead of noble and idealized
>>220345220>>220345158depends a lot on the type of fantasy, doesn't it? Settings like ASOIAF >>220345229 that are low fantasy and more akin to our reality for the most part benefit from having true to life, gritty and unpoetic dialogues. And then there's urban fantasy like >>220345146 which is even more distanced from the classics and includes a whole array of character types from the mythical ones speaking in poetry to victorian era whores and coppers
>>220343763>>220344089>>220344194how in the flying FUCK do i read Jack Vance?i'm guessing like a lot of other anons got there from Dungeons & Dragons/Appendix N. i'm in the UK (and i care about spelling, typography, etc. if i'm given the option). the only edition still in print was a 2000 'Fantasy Masterworks' version called Tales of the Dying Earth. everyone said it sucked for one reason or another.BUT, supposedly, a new edition was on the horizon. they'd cleared up some rights issues, NEXT year we'd get a wonderful new reprint! then the next! then the next...! meanwhile, every old neckbeard still had their 1975 edition on a bookshelf somewhere.this was about 5-10 years ago, do any British anons know if it was sorted? or if i should just buy the 2000 edition? i hate reading on a screen, i'm not bothered about cover art. i just don't want a photocopy of an old manuscript or whatever the problem was.
>>220329129>makes perfect sense.Whether something "makes sense" or not has nothing to do with romance or love. Either the protagonist (and by extension the writer) has attained enough confidence in himself to make his desire reality and pound the woman he loves, whether she's a centuries-old elf girl or not, or he makes up a bunch of excuses in his head about why he can't and he chickens out.The ending Paolini wrote is a coward's ending masquerading as "thoughtful" and "mature." It's an ending written by a guy who thinks, "She'd never say yes to me anyway. And even if she did, I'd just fuck it up somehow. It could never work." It's an attitude that has absolutely no place in a coming-of-age fantasy story.
>>220345331I bought a bigger doorstopper dying earth anthology at barnes and noble a few months agohave you tried living in a real country?
>>220345367that's a lot of projection
>>220344455Bookggers absolutely annihilated. >uuuuuh i flip pages uuuuuh bet women are aroused when they see me
>>220345306True, I think the essay is mostly focusing on that very specific type of fantasy. Still, I do agree with the general sentiment that dialog in fantasy should not be so mundane that I may as well be talking to the DMV, nor should it be witty redditisms that make me feel like I'm reading r/funny.
>>220344623He is Allah's smartest warrior.
>>220326836God I wish a better writer was as autistic about magic worldbuilding as Paolini was. That was the best part about the series, actually explaining shit.
on the other hand...
>>220341626the third example is fine, it just means she misses her wand a lot, as opposed to just saying it casually or whatever
>>220345158>>220345220>>220345229>>220345306the writers had this problem with Deadwood. it was famously sweary at the time (might have broken some records). supposedly they had looked into period-accurate cursing, but that meant 'dag-nabbit! yer a darn-tootin', yellow son-of-a-gun!'so, instead of making everyone sound like Yosemite Sam, they decided to be anachronistic and write the characters swearing as it would sound/feel to them at the time. it's a bit like how Shakespearean English wasn't 'Shakespearean' back then, but it is now.honestly, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. but it can definitely get distracting. watching Spartacus or Rome and someone says>your tits, arse and cunt could all do with a rough fucking!it just comes off childish, ironically. especially if they're also speaking more poetically about the gods and such.
>>220328208Same, but then I only read them at age 10 or something.
>>220326892Does he start a new line every sentence?
I never read Eragon books because the dragons in the cover art look stupid Dude can't even spell "Dragon" correctly
>>220332765It was good when I was 8. Only read the first 2 books. Roran bashing the bat-creatures were the best chapters.
>>220326836>Eragon>Aryanow those are names i haven't heard in a long time
>>220346517I read up to Brisingr, I somewhat outgrew the books. I don't even remember Brisingr all that well.
>>220326892Is the passage on the right a joke? Is it real? Or has it been edited to sound retarded?
>>220343763K I N O
>>220340300morrigan is a creepy weirdo who's never spoken to anyone other than her mother, so it fits. I don't know who the other one is and I get the feeling I don't wanna find out.
>>220346745>morrigan is a creepy weirdo who's never spoken to anyone other than her mother,She fucked around, so she was definitely talking to people.
>>220343763
Are there any books worth reading in the Skyrim/Oblivon/Morrowind (Tamriel, ig) world? I struggle to get into any of the games because I seem to have a low attention span when it comes to vidya, but the lore seems cool. Surely there are tie-ins?
>>220343763Reporting in with the Patrician's Choice, and it should also be a /tv/ favourite due to the protagonist's (i.e. author self-insert) obvious appreciation of his lover's feet.Abridged versions are for pussies BTW. Go unabridged or go back to Sanderson.
>>220337778He is just using millennial language though>>220341455Based and fuckin 40 year old pilled
The dad line really did stand out in the trailer. Just made me instantly think they should've gone with father.
>>220347004The Infernal City and Lord of Souls by Greg Keyes have good reviews, never read them myself. From what I think of TES Lore, it's a more "show, don't tell" world where reality is not exactly set in stone, so I don't know if novels do it justice
>>220347004You should read the books that are in-game in Morrowind itself. They're all lore-building and there's a lot of it
>>220345536goddamn it>>220346745but you shouldn't have to do the writer's job for shit to make sense. la creatura on the right is an obnoxious non-binary autist. depending on your tolerance for cringe humor, you might laugh.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkzTIEBZSxQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tfq2AZefSk
>>220345804that's what you do for dialogue in direct speech.>'Hello,' said Alice, 'how are you?'>'I'm well,' replied Bob.to be fair it probably flows better on an actual book page, which might be why you're seeing it the way you are (equally, the LotR paragraphs might look 2dense4zoomers).not knocking you anon, and i'm not defending the way it's written: in fact it highlights the problem. sometimes snappy back-and-forths work. but if every exchange of dialogue is turn-taking to the point your Return key is worn down and you're looking in a thesaurus for 'said' and 'replied' synonyms, MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP WRITING THAT WAY.
>>220347004>>220347183oh god i lived for this shit as a teenager.i know Morrowind is clunky. look at more like a traditional RPG with dice rolls (spells can fail, your attacks can miss, etc) and you'll have a better time. break that potion-brewing system wide open.but the REAL game was sneaking into Vivec Palace Library and reading all the lore. you can complete the main story and there are still conflicting accounts about Red Mountain, the Disappearance of the Dwarves, etc. it's captivating.also hopefully not a spoiler or anything, but the 36 Lessons of Vivec books have two different secret messages in them (the clues to which are hidden elsewhere). no bearing on anything, but it's neat.also go read the original Daggerfall version of The Real Barenziah. it's censored in Morrowind for both in-universe and IRL reasons. shame you couldn't walk up to her and ask about that time she fucked a Khajiit with his barbed cat-penis.
>>220326892Sandercels, our mormon lord is a fucking hack!
>>220347480I built my own library in Caius Cosade's hut
I read a few of these as a teenager. Would they still hold up or was I fooled into liking them by my naivety?
>>220347727/lt/ - /sffg/ here. On behalf of my community I recommend that you read something other than Feist.
>>220326892I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened
>>220348005Why does the Sad Faggots Fisting Guys community feel offended by Feist?
these books had a great magic system, that was probably the best parthaven't read them since I was like 11 though
>>220348193My favourite magic system is in the black company books where the MC does not know anything about it and just sees pretty lights and suddenly 300 persons are dead with their flesh flayed from their bones
>>220339346Brandon Sanderson is currently the wealthiest, most prolific, and respected author currently writing in the fantasy genre. He has tens of millions of dollars, a professorship, and honorary degrees. His books are highly anticipated, and he's famous.Yet, he's a hack retard, as anyone can see when they actually look at it.It's not contrarianism to expect that highly regarded work that made this fat retard a millionaire should be GOOD. We're not picking on some fanfic author, we're picking on a man who sold that book to millions and made 10,000,000+ dollars.It is completely fucking fair to expect better.
>>220348410Don't forget that he's also spineless and bent the knee to literal mentally ill communist
>>220348193It's literally just Earthsea but trying to be more technical and suffering for it. Like, he clearly thought that gaming the effort:effect economy with super precise spells was cool and clever, so instead of making obscenely high precision and range have a cost so that spamming Power Word: Hemorrhage isn't practical in the first place, he retcons in the whole concept of wards so that he can just shrug and say "Well he's shielded against that". Which then results in the autism that wizard battles aren't actually about casting cool spells, but instead just having a psychic staring contest to break in and figure out what instant death spell is missing from the opponent's ward stack.All that because he wanted to leave the door open for stuff like Eragon effortlessly making a gold ring by leeching all the errant gold particles from the dirt in a miles wide radius. It's easy to do because the particles are so tiny and light that it takes practically no energy to transport them even across a large distance! It's a very creative idea, but also very troubling for the setting.
>>220348705QRD?
>>220341198It is amazing how you can slap a blockbuster story in a video game with some emotional bait and people act like that is a compelling story.
>>220349020He's a pretty religious guy and was consequently against gay marriage. He made a pretty middle of the road post about it that made his stance clear but still being empathetic to the other side. Well you would have thought he made gore of him stepping on puppies. He couldn't handle the pile on and has been apologizing ever since. This was in the early days of the new culture war. (Late 2000s iirc). So internet mobs against mainstream things were still new.
>>220342796You know Roland Emmerich? Roland Emmerich always felt like he was a big time director like Steven Speilberg. But whilst Speilberg could kind of build emotional schmaltz, Roland's attempts at it always came across as a parody. Roland just couldn't speak to the audience in the same way, in came across cheaply.Zack Snyder wants to be like a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan. But Zack Snyder just lacks a certain something, a certain disconnect that make his movies feel lesser. Watchmen is visually very accurate and yet completely misses the point of the comic. Sucker Punch wants to think itself like an inception, but feels rather cheap. Man of Steel is the closest attempt to ape off of a Nolan film but ended up feeling divisive to many. And then you look at Rebel Moon, he wanted to make a Star Wars film and it is just rather bland. I don't hate Snyder but damn, he would make a visually spectacuar mythology film that would also be devoid of substance or human elements. Love or hate him, for as stupid as the Odyssey movie looks in trailers, Nolan still knows how to connect to audiences more.
>>220349154I legitimately believe 300 is comparable to the best of Nolan
>>220330009>Lord TyrantNigga wut
>>220341455Seems more of a "male vs female" writer divide
>>220349098He's the kind of guy who is very, very sensitive to his profile. In a way, it's where his money comes from. Literally. It is quite literally his livelihood to convince redditors to like him and buy his shit, so it doesn't surprise me that he instantly folds when he incurs the wrath of those kinds of people.They don't mind if he's a narcissist asshole who sniffs his own farts despite not having the skill to back it up; annoyign band kid redditors are like that too, so it doesn't bother them. But it does bother them to not be okay with FAGGOTS. Everything goes out the window when you're not 100% dialed in on FAGGOTS because they make FAGGOTS a quasi-religious value.I'm happy to say that Brandon Sanderson is an apostate sellout by the standards of his own religion for giving up on his values to play ball with FAGGOTS on behalf of his career. It brings a certain level of satisfaction to know that someone I dislike is a hypocrite sellout within their own ideology, even if I don't necessarily believe in it.I may not be famous or rich, but at least I've never sacrificed my religious values so reddit FAGGOTS would keep giving me money.
>>220327188Nolan does overly dramatic theatrical dialog. When done well in the right circumstances it has great impact but when it's not it is the cheesest shit you've ever heard.
>>220329129>adolescent boys infatuation with his teacherSo she should be fucking him.
>>220326973No but they have like a mind link and he looks in when his Dragons getting raw dogged by accident and basically feels it, the dragon doesn't care and thinks it's funny lmao
obviously
>>220346961The books are superior to the comics(especially the newer ones)
>>220326836*Ardwen - Arwen*Isenstar - Isengard*Mithrim - Mithrim or mithril*Angrenost - Angrenost*Morgothal - Morgoth*Elessari - Elessar*Furnost - Fornost*Hadarac - Harad*Melian - Melian*Vanilor - Valinor*Eridor - Eriador*Imiladris - Imladris*Undin - Fundin/Udun*Gil'ead - Gil'Galad*Ceranthor - Caranthir*Isidar - Isildir*Oromis - Orome*Eragon - Aragorn
>>220353032This, /co/ fags don't know true literature.
>>220326836Yes because Tortellini's writing is sooooo much better right? I mean he does consider himself on par with Nobel prize winning author Seamus Heaney and Tolkien "at his best". Just look at how he describes a crackling fire:>The branch Roran had added to the fire burst asunder with a muted pop as the coals underneath heated the gnarled length of wood to the point where a small cache of water or sap that had somehow evaded the rays of the sun for untold decades exploded into steam.
>>220353082Well at least for Eragon it's just dragon with an E
>>220353257That's the bullshit cope he has for an excuse.
>>220328208then you should read the Belgariad books by David Eddings. It's where Paolini stole a lot of his ideas from and they're great fantasy books.
>>220353082>story is also a 1-to-1 retelling of star wars a new hope12 year old me was seething at this shameless plagiarism when it dawned on me as i was reading
>>220353525And The Empire Strikes Back too. Right down to "Eragon, I am your f̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ brother".>At the start of the story a princess leading a rebellion against an evil empire is being pursued by the evil emperor's right hand man. She's in possession of an object of great importance which was stolen from the empire. Before she is captured she attempts to secret the item away to a hermit who once belonged to an ancient order of warriors with mystical powers. However the item inadvertently comes into the possession of a boy of foggy origins living with his uncle on a remote farm. The evil emperor's minions track the item to the farm and destroy it, killing the boy's relatives. But the boy escapes with the old hermit who gives him a sword he claims belonged to the boy's father. As they travel together the hermit trains the boy in the ways of the ancient order of warriors. Then the hermit dies protecting the boy, the boy rescues the princess from the start of the story with the help of a dashing rogue, and the boy, rogue, and princess journey together to the rebellion's secret headquarters which has come under attack by the evil empire. At the story's climax the boy saves the day with the timely help of his friends. Afterwards he has a vision of a powerful master of the ancient order of warriors who can finish his training. He seeks the master out and trains with him, growing very powerful. But before his training is finished the boy has premonitions that his friends are in danger. He decides he must go to help them despite his master warning him not to. The boy promises that he will return and leaves. He finds his friends just in time as they are threatened by the evil emperor's right hand man. In the ensuing fight the evil emperor's right hand man reveals that he and the boy are related.
>>220346980I can see the slit.
Remember when there were entire websites dedicated to hating Eragon
>>220354976Anti shurtugal, right?Alogs before Anthony even heard of Chris
>>220353353Belgariad feels like an old anime. It's basic, good and evil are clearly delineated.>giant tokukatsu fight>tsundere loli redhead dryad princessI wonder if the nips liked the novels?
>>220335149>do people really read fantasy books where the main character is a loser?It's either classical hero, classical anti-hero, or modern soikuk like that bard one where the author projects HARD their cuck fetish and writes pages of cope about how having the girl stolen away means he wins.Name of the wind.
>>220347727I think I got up to King of Foxes and lost interest because the new set of characters sucked ass.At least the story ended on some kind of epic note apparently. One thing that bothered me is that Feist doesn't flesh out any consistant background. I can't articulate it properly because I only vaguely remember this shit, but it's to do with the overall cosmology and mythology etc. When approached about the subject, which is kinda integral to the story overall, he was like>dunno lol i didn't think about it that muchleaving glaring holes in the plot that don't add up. Learning this annoyed me.
>>220355938reminder he refused to write more books because America didnt deserve his works while trump is in power
>>220356053Even if you don't care about the cuckshit, the entire series so far is>Kvothe invents a completely new thing by being the smartest (again)>he's hanging out with Denna (again)>he spends all his money on dumb shit like a guitar or whatever (again)>Denna leaves (again)>Kvothe is poor and sad (again)
>>220347727im currently up to servant of the empire and its starting to feel like fantasy shogun/Nobunaga's rise to power only Yasuke is a White man and the Nobunaga is a loli princess. its certainly not great fantasy but better than more modern stuff thats all soiboi shite
>>220335171There is perhaps only about 10 writers that stand out every century and we have only just begun this one. The thing is everyone gets to publish so easily today and it is much harder for real talent to be found. Democracy has ruined us.
My favorite
>>220356108>The thing is everyone gets to publish so easily todayunless you'rea) Whiteb) malec) anything to the right of full blown gay race socialismthis excludes mormons of course, mormons are to sci-fi/fantasy literature as kikes are to hollywood
>>220356150Oh and everyone can spill their thoughts in word today used to be you had to pay a lot of money for parchment and ink
>>220326836But paolini is a fucking genius? He literally wrote eragon lol
>>220326836don't know who that is but he's right, particularly about the original dune film - plebbitors endlessly repeat that it was 'bad', very likely parroting without understanding why david lunch said he considered it a failure.the atmosphere captured in it is a sense of the epic though, otherworldly from the beginning.there was another example of deliberately archaic/out of place dialogue discussed recently on here but I forget what it was about, but it was to similar effect.modern dialogue is atrocious, there's no feeling behind it and it might as well be overheard from two teenage girls in a queue in starbucks
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>>220356053That’s his excuse, but the reality is that he wrote everything while larping as an eternal student, and when he stopped he completely lost all motivation and inspiration.Or, as his publisher theorised, he stole everything from someone at college and leaving means he can’t leech off them anymore. Imagine being so lazy and insufferable that your own publisher openly speculates you’re a plagiarist.
>>220356108>tfw almost all the up and coming authors all caught Martin disease and stopped writing, or worse got pozzed and ruined their series>tfw self publishing is the only way to find entertaining scifi/fantasy >tfw you have to wade through a tidal wave of isekai/knock off cultivation shit to do so
>>220356330>That’s his excuse, but the reality is that he wrote everything while larping as an eternal student, and when he stopped he completely lost all motivation and inspiration.That makes sense, maybe he realized the "I'm le brilliant genius, I'm just lazy" thing is fucking stupid and is embarassed he wrote nvoels about that very thing
>>220329317This shit sucks and it's partially because Sanderson surrounded himself with yesmen too scared to tell him to edit his slop>>220330009This bit is completely justified in-universe since it's supposed to be Kelsier basically setting himself up as a martyr for the peasant masses.
>>220353353I used to love Belagariad and the Mallorean as a kid, Ce'Nedra was so hot. David Eddings is a terrible person though.>picrel
>>220356470I need a slightly longer rundown. It doesn't say sexual abuse so I'm guessing they were just too lazy and neglected the children?
>>220356487They kept them in cages and beat them
>>220356492:(
>>220356470was Belgariad the books about several groups of people doing their own stories to accomplish some overarching story I can't remember with some magical sword that breaksor was it some weird ass elf that I dunno goes kinda crazyor a third thing
>>220356506The MC is a sorcerer and secret heir to a kingdom. Him and his party are the sole focus and are trying recover a magic orb and defeat an evil god.
>>220356545wtf am I even thinking of, there was one story with a kid and maybe his brother that descend a cliff into a weird fucked up valleya girl with a wizard doing god knows whatand then some guy with a sword, and a woman maybe others, he fucking breaks that have to go to some forsaken shithole to maybe repair it or something else I dunnoand maybe the point of all of this is to taken down some grand evil? Genuinely do not remember
>>220341626I don't mind this IF the character description is before the dialogue, because it changes how you imagine it>Bob angrily walked towards me, "Who are you?" he saidI imagine Bob stomping forward and saying "Who are you" with anger>Bob walked towards me, "Who are you?" he said angrilyI have to go back and reimagine the scene because I didn't realise Bob was angry when saying the dialogue
>>220356573nevermind I think it was sword of shannara
>>220356573>there was one story with a kid and maybe his brother that descend a cliff into a weird fucked up valleyI think you may be thinking of the prequel book Belgarath the Sorcerer? >some guy with a swordThe MC does have a special sword, it's what the orb goes into.A lot of the stuff that happens in the books are tropey and easy to forget to be fair. Eddings quite literally retells the same story over and over and over.
>>220345536that's unfortunatelyly realistic. I never liked borderlands, the 'humour' was painful, the writing dogshit and the characters intolerable.only played it for an excuse to coop with a friend, beyond that I never touched them.that guy must have played it a lot more.it's since the 90s that that level of overtaking has become prevalent, same applies for food packaging.it uses to be "open, pour into container, best consumed within minutes."it morphed into an informal wash of unnecessary familiarity with the packet addressing YOU directly and itself as "me".i just want to go back, far far back
>>220343763One I read recently that shot up my rankings was pic related, very interestingly written.
>>220341455>is solely dependent on jew marketing terms to explain his entire existence and that of everyone elsewow acherly I'm a sagittarius so that means haha I'm soooo sucky at writing teeeh heeeeoohh, one of my aids pustules just popped lol!
>>220343361it's media derived, count how many action films in the last 25+ years have been sincere.i only know one, Dredd from 2012.fantasy films are even worse, most were a bit of joke even in the 80s, but in the 2000s they're perpetually self referential meta tripe.
>>220329317I sometimes question my own writing, not that I'm published; but this is abysmal.would I improve the world's average writing quality if I did bother to write a book?
>>220326836How much do you think he paid for that tweet?
>>220326892it reads like gpt sludgeeven starts with that "not/but" list.
>>220356650>it morphed into an informal wash of unnecessary familiarityI feel you could apply this to our whole culture. People give you a nickname after knowing you for a day, nobody uses honourifics, women greet you by hugging. When you pretend to be best of friends with everyone by rote all of those things cease to have any real meaning.
>>220356770>women greet you by huggingI wish that was true :(
>LOTR: Forth, and fear no darkness! Arise! Arise, Riders of Theoden! Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises! Ride now!... Ride now!... Ride! Ride to ruin and the world's ending! Death!>Braveheart: I AM William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you fight? Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you'll live -- at least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!!!>13th Warrior: Lo, There do I see my Father Lo, There do I see my Mother and My Brothers and my Sisters Lo, There do I see the line of my people back to the begining Lo, They do call to me They bid me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla Where thine enemies have been vanquished Where the brave shall live... Forever >Alexander: The greatest honor a man can ever achieve... is to live with great courage and to die with his countrymen... in battle for his home. I say to you... what every warrior has known since the beginning of time. Conquer your fear... and I promise you, you will conquer death. And someday I vow to you... your sons and your grandsons will look into your eyes. And when they ask why you fought so bravely at Gaugamela... You will answer, with all the strength of your great great hearts: I was here this day at Gaugamela for freedom.... and GLOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYY..... of Greece!! ZEUS BE WITH US>the odyssey: alright boys let's goo
this movie is gonna such a car crash
>>220341198>TV shows have degenerated into retarded garbage where characters have to tell the audience exactly what they're thinkingLiterally blame streaming services for that for that. Matt Damon was being interviewed and he gave his personal dealings with them. He had a story that plays out like a typical action story would where the big action piece is near the end. They told him if he could put that action set piece at the beginning to get people to wanna watch it and that the characters need to repeat the plot over and over throughout the movie because people are going to be looking at their phones and will not being paying attention.
>>220356770that's been happening over a longer period of time, but I remember there having been a jarring shift to intentional informality, "pally" speak on packaging which was bizarre and distasteful.the imperative was marked as to be unused and personalisation of inaminate objects and corporations chatting like they're your friend at primary school became the ever-growing norm.as for films, compare conan the barbarian with most other fantasy films and there's a reason why it stands out.one of the reasons why destroyer is so poor in comparison. what a shame that just after escaping 60s circus act adventure films, the followup was thrown back into that mire and then almost completely discarded as a genre thereafter.would be nice to have a non self referential dungeons and dragons film, something it deserves given the level of influence it has had on games and film overall.
>>220344657It's not all woman. It's women with the same mentality as the male incels who bitch about women then turn around and sadly ask why no woman wants to be with them cause they're perfect. They bitch about men all day and then ask why no prince in shinning armour isn't sweeping them off their feet. They have a shitty personality that keeps people from wanting to form a relationship with them. I can also guarantee they think they're owed more than just sex and think this whole world has been personally against them.
>>220344124>How did they regroup so quickly?>Does is matter?It does when you're in a war and you gotta understand how your enemy acts. Jesus fuck, who is writing this crap?
It's so hard to write a book, bros>t. written a few novellas (never showed them to anyone)>stuck at the plotting stage for two years now for a real story
>>220355911I would say that it just feels like normal classic fantasy.
>>220357474In my experience, both from my own writing and observing others, overplanning is poison. Trying to build out the plot and the setting too much ahead of time will just paralyze you when you actually sit down to write. You'll end up with an outline of events and concepts you're enthusiastic to hit on that will make everything in between feel tedious to write. If you're bored writing it, the reader will be bored too.My approach is to always go with the flow. The plot and characters will write themselves for the most part and the setting will unfold as you need it, rather than binding you before you've even gotten off the ground. You can have ideas for how you want things to go, but you should be prepared to let go if you can feel it's just not going that direction anymore.Staying comfortable and natural will make writing easy.
>>220357474Just rip off other people's works. It worked for Neil Druckmann and Hideo Kojima.
>>220343935My GF reads the sameShould I be worried?I already teased her about it, but she swears they haven't fucked even once so far.
>>220328468Nothing is worse than character assassination to the utmost degree and having your sister make out with your decapitated head.
>>220343979Let women enjoy things lmao
>>220326892I'm about half way through The Way of Kings and while I find it a very digestible read despite its girth, a lot of it sticks out to me as him just trying to do things to please the audience, which isn't inherently bad, but it makes the whole endeavor feel more like marvelslop than a work of passion despite it apparently being something he spent a long time on before committing to paper.
>>220341566yes and he cosplayed as Dantelook at this faggot, thinking he's cool lmao what a loser
>>220355938I'm not sure The Name of the Wind counts because in the sequel Kvothe ends up being fuckbuddies with a magic immortal sex fairy who is so hot that men go mad and die for her and who tells him that he is the greatest lover she's ever had despite Kvothe being both a) a 16 year old and b) a virgin. He is also the first guy to NO WAY FAG her at which point she practically begs him to stay and makes him promise to return to her after he's done doing all the other important shit.I would also like to point out that Rothfuss spends almost a 100 fucking pages on this shit while skimming over stuff like Kvothe being captured and escaping from pirates in one paragraph. He also has a weird obsession with repeatedly specifying that Felurian (the immortal magic sex fairy in question) is around the same height as a child.
