>>220342455
Yup.

>>220342455
>People like those movies even less now than they did a decade ago.
Who exactly are those "people" you talk about?
Oh, right ...

>>220342455
For what it's worth, I do like The Last Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker is a fun roller coaster ride of a flick. The Force Awakens, however, is a legit abomination and poisoned the Star Wars well so badly, that it will only diminish further in reputation.

>>220343945
Weird to just publicly announce you're mentally retarded but go off king

>>220343969
I'm smarter than you, but it's okay.

>>220343945
>The Rise of Skywalker is a fun roller coaster ride of a flick. The Force Awakens, however, is a legit abomination
Did you confuse these two? Because episode 9 barely even worked as a film. Episode 7 was just being way too safe, but at least it had some kind of structure.

>>220344070
TRoS has character arcs, tons of locations, themes, and fun meme bullshit like "Somehow Palpatine has returned" and "They fly now." There is a ridiculous amount of Star Destroyers for no reason, Sith cultists getting crushed by debris, Force dyad shenanigans, Hux getting disposed of in the silliest way possible, and so on. Glorious trainwreck. Force Awakens is just empty.

>>220344148
>TRoS has character arcs
Meh. Somewhat, for Kylo Ren. That's about it.
>tons of locations, themes, and fun meme bullshit
Yeah, that's the problem. It's a mess that rushes through its plotline like crazy and never lingers on anything.
>Glorious trainwreck.
When people say that, they usually don't mean it as a compliment, you know.
>Force Awakens is just empty.
Yeah, I agree with that assessment.

>>220344270
>Meh. Somewhat, for Kylo Ren. That's about it.
Poe has his whole background laid out and Finn's story finally goes somewhere giving him fellow deserters. Rey finds out about her real family and decides to get adopted by the Skywalkers.
>Yeah, that's the problem. It's a mess that rushes through its plotline like crazy and never lingers on anything.
True. It's two and a half movies in one.
>When people say that, they usually don't mean it as a compliment, you know.
I mean it as a compliment. In some way.

>>220342455
Disney paid shills run out of money. They all said the same shit but even now on reddit the sequels get shit on

>>220344364
>Poe has his whole background laid out
That's not a character arc. Just a backstory, which contributes very little to who he is. The only character arc he ever got was in episode 8 via Leia and Holdo.
>Finn's story finally goes somewhere giving him fellow deserters
Again, not a character arc. He doesn't develop in any way as a person. Again, episode 8 was the only time he actually made some progress, in the casino subplot that gets so much hate (which proves that people never actually cared for Finn in the first place), plus a mini-arc in episode 7 where he goes from fleeing for his own safety to protecting Rey.
>Rey finds out about her real family and decides to get adopted by the Skywalkers.
That whole thing was just a complete mess. Particularly because making her "someone" after she had already had struggled with being "no one" wasn't really giving the character a meaningful conflict.

>>220344070
For as shit as episode 8 is it probably has the best pacing and structure. Ut perfectly executes and resolves its A B and C plot. It just shits on all the characters while doing so.

>>220342455
I’ve already been seeing revision for the Last Jedi so idk what you’re talking about. That’ll be the one to take on the status of Episode III aka “the good one”

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>>220342481
>Puts the word "slop" at the end of something
>Tells others to grow up

>>220344570
No, he reconnects with bis past, reunites with his girl, and gets them to join the final battle. It's at least 50% character arc. Finn finding his place among fellow deserters qualifies as a character arc, thin as it is in practice. Being no one would have been more interesting to go with, though, they retconned that as Kylo trying to manipulate her, iirc. And the Skywalkers adopting her is plausible in the context of her being someone.

>>220342455
Dude, it's only been six years since the last one. Way too early to make that statement. Give it another decade at least.

I'm surprised people on here don't praise Rian for destroying this franchise. Boomers need to move on from their childhood, rian finally made this kiddie shit unappealing

>>220344644
Stupid boring movie by itself and part of the series, but undeniably the best of the three

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>>220344757
>Boomers need to move on from their childhood
Real.

>>220342455
sincerity shines through over time. insincereity is felt and hated more over time

>>220344730
>he reconnects with bis past, reunites with his girl, and gets them to join the final battle. It's at least 50% character arc.
A character arc means moving forward in some way. I don't see how his past does that. "His girl" is pretty much a non-character who contributes very little to anything.
>Finn finding his place among fellow deserters qualifies as a character arc
If it was actually something he was shown to be longing for, maybe. He never is. It also doesn't really prompt a character change for him.

TROS had a latently smart message about how you can’t just clone or repeat tropes without it being functionally the same thing (which is exactly why Palpatine somehow returned and said he literally made Snoke) but the writers weren’t aware of that subtext and were just doing damage control because of TLJ so it turned out to be childlike playing with action figure storytelling.

>>220343945
trolling outside of /b/

>>220344818
>Make peace with thing/person that kept you uneasy because of uncertain relationship status -> move on with your life.
And Finn moves on from his weird Rey friendzone/cuck situation.
I'm not saying any of this isn't too little, too late, but they tried, okay?

>>220342455
I just put OP's post through Google Translate and it was much more honest
>I am a complete autist who makes this thread every single day not only because I am miserably lonely but mostly because I've been gay for Luke Skywalker since I was a kid and I will never, ever forgive this movie for killing MUH PRECIOUS LUKE and yes I am a massive faggot who will be making this thread for the next several decades because there is literally NOTHING else in my life so get used to dealing with The Last Jedi living in my head rent free because I'm going to force it on all of you as often as possible

Thanks OP very insightful

>>220344757
>rian finally made this kiddie shit unappealing
he literally created porgs

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>>220342455
>is the only memorable part of the sequels in your path
What went so right with Kylo where everything else failed?

>>220345055
Great actor. Compelling character. When I read he flung a chair at the wall next to Lena Dunham I wasn't surprised. Guy is a beast.

>>220345055
He, or a character with the same backstory and bloodline, was going to be the star of the show no matter what.

>>220342455
Lucas actually had a vision and a plan for the Prequels, even if it wasn't perfect or even well thought out.
The Sequels are beyond a mere mess, Abrams just copied ANH for his first movie while setting up a bunch of mystery boxes, then Rian came in, with the full blessing of Kennedy, and not only undo the ste up from the previous film, he destroyed every single storyline that could be used on the next movie while setting up nothing in their place.
Then Abrams was brought back to try and shit out a finale for this mess, and his best idea was "Palpatine did it all".

>>220345055
trolling outside of /b/

>>220342455
and the best part is people are loving the prequels even more, they're the highest watched movies on Disney+. woke is dead and disney is retarded.

>>220344975
>Make peace with thing/person that kept you uneasy
That wasn't actally the case though until the very moment the backstory came up. The whole thing happened out of nowhere and was resolved out of nowhere within, what, five minutes?
>And Finn moves on from his weird Rey friendzone/cuck situation.
I guess. He still keeps screaming her name all throughout the film anyway.

>>220342455
Wow you sure owned that strawman you made up.

>>220342455
This, people still generally liked TFA a decade ago, nowadays is seen with as much disdain as the other two. As always, George ultimately won.

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>>220342455
Mark Hamill's a fucking cunt. I give this movie 10/10 just for kicking his raggedy fat ass out of Star Wars forever.

>>220345208
>people still generally liked TFA a decade ago
And people like a New Hope to this day, the difference is that, the movies that came after ANH didn't suck dick.

>>220345336
>the movies that came after ANH didn't suck dick.
Funny. You're the first person I've seen defend the fucking Holiday Special.

>>220345199
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm not saying it's a good movie. But it does stand above Force Awakens, the true turd.

>>220345336
has nothing to do with the follow up, TFA always sucked ass

>>220345380
>But it does stand above Force Awakens
Well, I don't see it that way, but I now understand why you would.

>>220345372
The animated part was good.

>>220345380
>But it does stand above Force Awakens, the true turd.
Correct

>>220345208
no one liked the force awakens, they didn't like the nog being shoved into their faces, they didn't like max von sydow being killed off in the first thirty seconds, they didn't like the nog being split up from poe to push the black male white male demoralization etc etc they didn't like the deconstruction of han or leia
shit movie, shittier shills defending it

>>220344644
>>220344784
in a vacuum, tlj is a pretty well made movie
the problem is that it doesnt exist in a vacuum, it exists as part of star wars

even then, id argue a lot of its unpopular decisions were a result of its hand being somewhat forced by tfa's setup, or lack thereof. it has some missteps of its own, but its head and shoulders above tfa's derivate slop and the absolute clusterfuck that was tros

>>220345208
>people still generally liked TFA a decade ago
They only thought they did. The Last Jedi opened their eyes to how shit the characters (except for Kylo) and story setting were, and how utterly bland the "Sequel" era visual design is.

The last jedi killed an entire generations interest in star wars and that's what it was meant to do

>>220344787
>Mandalorian confirmed boomerslop
I FUCKING knew it. That shitty-ass wannabe western with awful action scenes, claustrophobic cinematography, bad acting and worse writing had been getting too much praise for way too long.
>s1 was great, it's only later that it became bad
NO!
Season 1 is mediocre AT BEST. It's still full of every criticism I wrote above

Rise of Skywalker was so bad it actually made leftists abandon their Last Jedi culture war line in the sand.

>>220345301
rian johnson or a trump cvck
call it

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>>220345055
God he's so fucking hot
I'M GETTIN' A BONER

Rian was on a mission to destroy things people he didn't like enjoyed

>>220345434
trolling outside of /b/
the last jedi was so bad, it killed the solo movie

>>220345497
please tell me where in my post i said it was good

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>>220345479
>God he's so fucking hot
I'M GETTIN' A BONER

>>220342455
>People like those movies even less now than they did a decade ago.
I've never been a Star Wars person, but the last 12 years of Disney's sloppification has been fascinating.
>pay $4 billion for super popular franchise
>by the book sequel that copies lots of things from first movie
>woman as lead and some DEI/current year things to """modernize""" SW for NPCs
>fuck up major iconic characters
>don't create any new, memorable characters, except maybe Kylo Ren, and the little Yoda thing
>let fan criticism of prequels influence the film, like with light saber choreography
>"Somehow, Palpatine has returned"
>films still make a profit, and the first two get mostly good reviews
That is, I've read some criticism from Star Wars geeks, as I'm not a big fan who'd know nearly as much as them, and it's stunning how badly Disney fucked up. Doesn't seem like such a hard thing to do -- make good new films, as a giant corp, to follow the original SW movies.

>>220345470
That was always so fucking weird, thousands of people defended that movie for no actual reason other than the fact Star Wars fans didn't like it.

>>220345497
Solo is unironically the best of all 5 disneywars films by a fair distance

>>220345521
fuck off, nigger
implying last jedi was well made, you're smoking crack and sucking cock

>>220345546
gonna make the rogue one sisses seethe with this one

>>220344787
>Andor is for millennial leftist losers
>Clone Wars is for zoomer chads
I knew it

>>220342455
>Wait 10 years and people will love them
Well it is 10 years later and they are more hated than ever.

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>>220345476
I wrote this >>220345301
as bait because I knew you wouldn't be able to resist defending your precious Mark Hamill OP

I knew it was you, and you've just proved me right, thank you
Look like my first post was 100% right
>>220344979

>>220345553
i said it was well made *in a vacuum*. its nicely shot, there are passable attempts at themes and messages, and its plot and character arcs would make sense in a self contained story. but again, it doesnt exist in a vacuum, so that all largely falls apart.

i get that youre retarded and probably dont understand the phrase "in a vacuum" but google is helpful for this kind of thing. sometimes it pays to take 5 seconds to check youre not being retarded before going off about how woke is ruining everything or whatever

>>220345055
Kylo Ren is a terrible character. He's a guy choosing to be evil (for unclear reasons) who is struggling to fight off the urge to do good. Pure nonsense, only schizophrenic jews could write this and think it makes sense.

>>220345553
>implying last jedi was well made
Well, that's what critics and general audiences say. It's not what youtube and reddit say, of course.

>>220345582
>Clone Wars is for zoomer chads
Why would chads like TCWslop?

>>220343945
HAL9000 edits of sequels are way better. Additionally his prequel edits fix those movies, somewhat. I actually fucking liked jarjar can you imagine.

>>220345497
TLJ is a terrible star wars movie

And a mediocre sci fi original tier movie movie

>>220345546
SOLO has the only TWO genuine star warsy moments of all 5 Disney movies....

>Han and Chewie meeting for the first time in the mud pit
>Woody Harelsons final lesson for Han

>>220345546
I wish. I like the underworld setting, but Glover, and Clarke, and that shitty droid (on some level I believe the character was a cynical meta joke about companies doing virtue signalling shit) suck too hard. Would have been a solid pilot episode for a show, though.

>>220345609
Fuck off, none of that is true
you're just posting shitty bait and trolling
get a life faggot nigger
the last jedi is one of the worst movies ever made, only faggot contrarians try to refute that fact

>>220345553
Look faggot. It's still a 6/10 movie. It's well paced and has a few peices of good cinematography but it's still poorly written and has only one good action sequence (ironically the only good fight scene of the entire nu wars trilogy)

>>220345606
bodied that freak

>>220345615
Clone Wars is constant military porn, jailbait padawan barely avoiding panty shots, and Anakin and Obi Wan aurafarming. It's also well animated and a good show, if we ignore that a third of the episodes completely suck and that it is extremely incompatible with the movies.

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>>220345611
you mean the completly fabricated and fake leftist media that is hell bent to defend this subversive deconstruction and demoralizing piece of propaganda, don't you need to go dilate your axewound or jump off a bridge

>>220345720
>the completly fabricated and fake leftist media
Is this a conspiracy theory or something?

Woke people has destroyed so much culture and entertainment the last 20 or so years, it's depressing really. It's such an ugly world.

>>220345673
>Fuck off, none of that is true
>the last jedi is one of the worst movies ever made
are you going to articulate why or are you just going to keep spamming the edgy no no words you heard they use on four chan dot org from your grifter sloptuber of choice's subreddit?

>>220344757
Literally the theme of the movie

>>220345679
Nigger, the last jedi is a literal zero out of ten movie that retcons the original trilogy and is soundly rejected by every person that actually likes star wars, people want every piece of media referencing the last jedi burned in a nationally televised bon fire and many of them would cheer on the coming of the 4th Reich to get it to happen

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>>220342455
fuck off op

>>220342455
Dude its not even that they are bad but Its they are bad in a hyper specific way that says in a different timeline these movies are genuinely masterpieces that changed cinema as we know it forever. They don't feel quite..real. If you just made them correctly they could be 10/10 stone cold classics. That is why people hate them not because they are bad but because they can easily be 40 times better.

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>>220345758
when I do you just run away and make another thread and start this whole troll dialogue tree all over again

>>220344757
>Haha you are a loser for watching our product
>W-wait where are you going? Come back NAZI, GIVE US YOUR MONEY

>what if Star Wars but it's so bad it's not even memeable

>>220345546
This anon spoke the truth

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>>220345747
>Woke people
You mean like George Lucas, who saw the Empire as a representation of America, Emperor Palpatine as a representation of Hitler as well as some right-wing presidents (Mainly Nixon and Bush) and the rebels and ewoks as the Vietkong?
That kind of woke people?

>>220345546
Whomstever, with the addition of Andor Rogue One is elevated tremendously

>>220342455
Hey OP could you please stop being a friendless star wars autist shitting up our board please k thx bye

>>220345878
No not really, george actually made a story. He didn't just take an existing story and make the main character a black lesbian

>>220345715
>Clone Wars is constant military porn
It isn't military porn at all. Compare TCW to Stalingrad, Band of Brothers or whatever.

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>>220342455
The Star Wars sequel trilogy is dead. Forgotten. Buried.

>>220345878
No not that kind, he was still an artist first not a fucking creatively bankrupt woke tard remaking shit but with more black people and a gay couple thrown in.

>let's just make a couple generations of childhood heroes a fucking loser dork

>>220345954
>but with more black people
Lando was reportedly cast to bring in black audiences though.

>>220345955
>also Han is a divorced loser and still a dirty smuggler
>Leia is a divorced hag who cares more about Palpatine's daughter clone granddaughter than her own friends and blood

>>220345771
Makes you wonder. Did he know he was making dogshit?

>>220345930
>He didn't just take an existing story and make the main character a black lesbian
And when did Disney do that?

>>220345735
Either a conspiracy like a media empire purchasing good press or media personnel growing fond of their own farts.

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>>220346016
He knew the target audience and decided not to target them. Or rather, target them in a different way.
And of course, if you get hired to make a Star Wars, you do know you're supposed to make dogshit.

>>220342455
Fuck off OP

>>220346052
>like a media empire purchasing good press
Then why didn't they do the same for episode 9, which got completely destroyed by those same critics who lauded episode 8? Or most of the shit Disney put out that doesn't resonate with critics at all?

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>>220346052
and that's a good thing, and that's a good thing, and that's a good thing

>>220346090
the last jedi was so bad and the critics had so much egg on their face defending it they were willing to throw jew jew abrams under the bus to try and shield their darling rian subvert your expectations johnson

>>220345949
But RLM told me all those kids that grew up with the sequel films would come back to it out of nostalgia? I thought that was the only reason anyone could possible have to enjoy the prequels?

>>220342455
The trannies will get the next generation.

>>220346116
You sound like one of those qanon idiots. Literally.
You must realize that nothing of that makes any sense whatsoever.

>>220345949
I watched the first season of Andor enjoyed, but I never watched,and never felt the need to watch, the season 2.
Also
>Attack of the Clones ahead of Return of the Jedi
I knew it, Ewoks ruined that movie.

>>220343945 (You)

>>220346091
Disney spent much, much more on these movies than they admit.
Just look at how they bought the media.

>>220346143
what i say makes more sense than you staking out these threads or even making them defending this faggot garbage
What is the fucking point of these threads, are you training a new generation of llm bots how to lie by having them defend the prequels and sequels, gaslighting people who have actual tastes and can easily see how inferior they are to the original trilogy
Like what the fuck are you doing, are you an actual fucking person defending subversive faggot trash made by kikes and snarkers like jew jew abrams and rian johnson

>>220345208
They liked it because TFA promised an explanation for how everything went to shit after the original trilogy and set up a climactic finale. When it became apparent none of these promises were going to be fulfilled in a satisfying way, TFA became obsolete

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>>220346036

Remember, the Force is Female and everything you ever loved as a kid is shit. Thanks, Disney.

>>220346181
That surprised me too. Clones is easily the worst of the 6

>>220346181
that's for one fucking day and you're already using it to defend the prequel trash, fuck off you pathetic cherry picking faggot

>>220346221
So you admit that you're full of shit. Good for you. I almost thought you actually believed in what you spout.

>>220346063
>work in an industry made and filled by pedophile satanists
>act high and mighty about it
What a faggot.

>>220346209
Not only did they buy the media like this, remember those subreddits called prequelmemes, that shit wasn't organic

>>220346245
No idea what that even is, or what story it's supposed to be copying. Never heard of "space witches", but it sounds incredibly stupid - regardless of whether they invented the concept or stole it from somewhere else.

>>220346262
that's an insane incoherent take away from what I just said, are you even literate or did I just break the bot's programming

>>220344757
This is only admirable for those who already hate Star Wars and its influence. Making an anti-Star Wars film as an attempt to make a successful Star Wars film makes no fucking sense and I'm still baffled why Disney did it

>>220345771
People always say this, ignoring the fact that this angle in the movie only makes up 1/3rd of it. The other 2/3rds are about Poe, Holdo, Finn and Rose and it's utterly catastrophic. Even if you like all the shit with Luke and Rey undermining the point of Star Wars it's only a fraction of the film.

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>>220342455
I miss boxoffice posting a lot.

Just needed to make fun video games and maybe a movie about Tie Fighter pilots and everything would've been fine

>>220346301
>that's an insane incoherent take away from what I just said
You quite literally outed yourself as a troll. That is the obvious takeaway. And, as I said, good for you. Better a troll than a mentally insane conspiracy theorist.

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>>220346344
no you

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>>220346246
>Remember, the Force is Female
Not sure why you feel the need to promote old Nike products out of nowhere, but you do you.

>>220346384
this is what's important right, slapping the brand motto onto ugly consumer goods

>>220345949
Keeeeeeeek, get fucked disney

>>220346410
>the brand motto
Wasn't a brand motto at any point, but just a campaign motto. And, yeah, the campaign was literally about products that said that very slogan. Rather lazy, but apparently it targeted women who like to make that very kind of statement. Even though Nike never even clarified what they meant by "the force".

>>220345878
>Woke people
>You mean like George Lucas, who saw the Empire as a representation of America, Emperor Palpatine as a representation of Hitler as well as some right-wing presidents (Mainly Nixon and Bush) and the rebels and ewoks as the Vietkong?
>That kind of woke people?
You're retarded. Lucas is "liberal" in a "normal" sense. He's not "woke" as in "shove ridiculous characters into stories for "representation" and idpol reasons no matter how it affects the final product."

>>220345995
That's still different. I bet you need it explained why, probably. Haha, idiot.

>>220346826
>shove ridiculous characters into stories for "representation"
Lucas' works have more ridiculous characters than pretty much anything else.

>>220345055
Bro is built like that skinned giant from the Chinese cartoon with the walls and the spiderman kids with boxcutter swords.

How the fuck is he built like that? Very odd physique.

>>220346847
>That's still different.
Is it? Why? Because it happened at a time before there was a huge outrage over such decisions? Or because you grew up with it already having happened.

>>220342455
>starslop
grow up

>>220343945
all of them are very bad

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>>220346864
>Lucas' works have more ridiculous characters than pretty much anything else.
AND WE LIKE THAT

>>220346091
>And that's a good thing
Hilarious. The mainstream media is certainly disturbing though.

>>220346344
>mentally insane conspiracy theorist.
lol. We've got a reeeal smart guy amongst us /tv/. Watch out if you post something that doesn't 100% line up with current orthodoxy -- you could be called out by the Super Smart Anon.

>>220347520
>disney bought good reviews for last jedi. but only that one, none of its many complete flops.
Right. All about "orthodoxy", not about you making sense.

>>220346275
Dave Filoni- the guy running star wars now- is obsessed with space witches and is even married to a fat Satanist woman who identifies as a witch on social media. Get ready for 10 more years of gay space witches if you're a star wars fan.

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>>220347580
It's a good thing I'm a prequel fan and not a star wars fan then.

>>220347576
Shit Disney paid rt so much they changed audience reviews to only be possible if buying a ticket through fandango and for any score under 7/10 to be rounded up to 7/10

>>220342455
>a decade ago
Fuck...

>>220345949
Ha. Fuck Disney. Too bad it didn't hurt them at the box office. Surely a number of people there knew it wouldn't.

>>220347609
>Disney paid rt
Right. Disney paid a platform that was owned by their competitors Warner Bros or Comcast/Universal. Why wouldn't they?

>>220346864
okay. You're just here to shit up threads and try to have fun arguing ridiculous points. Enjoy.

>>220347722
You disagree? Seriously?

>>220346262
you're hilariously terrible at trolling

>>220343945
>>220343992
You overuse commas.

>>220346885
>like that skinned giant from the Chinese cartoon with the walls and the spiderman kids with boxcutter swords.
Dude, everyone understood you know Attack on Titan quite well. Why do you pretend you don't ?

>>220344644
TLJ is weirdly compelling as you watch it, because it's such a well produced, paced, and shot trainwreck of a script. It was a movie made with intelligent malice.

I actually think TLJ is flawed but better than the other two slops and at least tries something. It's bad, but the reputation it got was overstated and it's biggest malpractice is enabling unemployed neets to eat up my YouTube feed with shitty reviews.

>>220347324
Jar jar binks was a fine character. He was even funny sometimes. Boomers are such overdramatic faggots

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>>220348687
A turd-pie is novative. But I wouldn't dare to say it's better than a nothing burger just "because the baker tried".

>>220348709
I didn't watch this slop. Is this kiss and their relationship just sort of out of the blue -- as if they just HAD to insert an interracial relationship for some virtue good boy points? Or did it seem natural for these two characters to like each other. I'm guessing the former.

>>220348709
That's one of those wtf moments that even the movie itself lampshades. Why did you crash into me and stop me from saving the rest? Why are you kissing me? What the fuck is happening? Look at Boyega's face. It was intentional, and nobody knows WHY they chose to make such a film.

>>220342455
women ruined star wars.

>>220348783
Let's put it this way, they don't even acknowledge it afterwards and Rose is almost entirely absent from the next movie

>>220348687
I used to think this but there's no point in giving participation trophies out. All 3 are worthless. Just because TLJ has more to talk about with how bad it is doesn't mean it's any less insulting. The movie has naked contempt for its source material and audience.

>>220348846
Pretty awkward to insert it then. But it checks a big box with a biiig check.

>>220348862
>The movie has naked contempt for its source material and audience.
Did you know that Rian Johnson looked for inspiration in Kurosawa's films and actually used a lot of his visual language in The Last Jedi? Kurosawa was one of Lucas' greatest inspirations.
Just in case you wondered why George Lucas publicly lauded that film while heavily criticising The Force Awakens. But, hey, George Lucas doesn't respect his own work either, right?

>>220349205
He was just being nice.

>>220349456
So, no, you do not.
Carry on then.

>>220349358
>He was just being nice.
And why would he be nice towards episode 8 when he was very outspoken against episode 7? Maybe because he liked one better than the other?

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>>220349205
trolling outside of /b/

>"It was beautifully... made"
>Not a single word spoken about it ever again
Some praise

>>220349553
Still nothing to contribute?

>>220349555
Yes. Now look up what he said about The Force awakens. I remember some commentary about Diney being "white slavers".

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>>220349564
The last jedi and rian johnson are pure fucking shit
get that through your fucking skull you smarmy ginger haired faggot

>>220349621
Sure, anon, sure. Great argument there. You show such a deep and rooted knowledge of film and the filmmaking process in this post of yours.

>>220344429
You're posting in a disney shill thread, as have been the last 20 star wars threads over the last few days. They come-in swinging with negative takes then try and samefag "actually it wasn't so bad".

>>220349645
>filmmaking
>women ruining star wars

pick one.

>>220349699
None of the filmmakers in any mainline Star Wars were women. The closest any woman ever came was probably Marcia Lucas when she edited her then-husbands work.
Not sure what you're trying to argue.

>>220343945
This but unironically

>>220349533
He's never praised TLJ since then, and to my knowledge he never mentioned ROS at all. He barely cares about the movies, just like the rest of the public.

>>220345423
Faggot

>>220346181
Andor season 2 is trash. I'm still waiting for people to realize how big of a drop of quality it was holy shit.

>>220349813
Nigger

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>>220349820
>Andor season 2 is trash.
It really was. It had a few quality episodes, but as a whole I was shocked as to how bad it was.

>>220349891
>lets discuss our rebellion plans in the open at this wedding reception within earshot of others. We should be seen together often
t. Mon Mothma

>>220349790
>He's never praised TLJ since then
He barely comments on anything nowadays. I'm not sure when the last time was that I heard from him. Might even be that TLJ statement. Andy, yes, he didn't seem to be too thrilled about Rise Of Skywalker, since he didn't even turn up to the premier. But I think his very elaborate criticism of Force Awakens serves as a better point of comparison exactly because of its unashamed verbosity.

Now we're at the phase where the jeets have switched tactics and now shit on the media that got any positive praise in the hopes of elevating the real subversive trash by dragging everything deep into the dumpster

>>220350002
This is some advanced false-flag psyopping, Ranjeesh

>>220350087
you use the same tactics when you defend subversive games on /v/
you're not slick, street shitter

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>>220350087

So 85-90% of /tv/ is now jeets? fug

>>220350002
Oh the shills do that all the time, like the paramount paid shill in /trek/ calling everyone geezers. They also like to absolutely shit on the thing they're promoting so that people will correct them with more nuanced takes.

>>220345582
how's that 30th birthday looking?

>>220342455
>let filoni make ep 7 but he has to sign a contract that asokha won't be in it directly or indirectly
>make it a smaller scale story. Its about two guys that Luke pays to go find force sensitives to train. Its basically like xmen first class, they go around and find troubled forcesensitive teens.
>maybe a bad guy finds an old empire weapon and is using it to terrorize some locals.

Its so fucking easy. Getting jj to make a mystery box and then a clincally retarded man to break it was fine too i guess.

>>220350815
Sounds terrible, anon. You've never written anything, have you?

>>220350847
Just that post and this one responding to you.

>>220350854
As expected. Seriously though, your story needs actual characters and a conflict. Not "some guys going around looking for trainees" and "nondescript bad guy does evil thing". You're just doing the same bullshit here Abrams did with Finn and Snoke: "Some guy whose whole personality is being some guy, but his role is that of a renegade stormtrooper, plus some big bad who's just there so we have an antagonist".

>>220350901
The guy had a premise, not a storyline. You need to read a book or something and figure out the difference you overly smug retard

>>220351148
>The guy had a premise
No, he didn't. Your premise is not supposed to be "there are these general character roles". A premise needs to be something central to the narrative: What do you want to make it revolve around? What themes do you want to illustrate? Any messages you want to communicate?
A very general premise for the original Star Wars would be something along the lines of "A young man, after losing everything, reluctantly decides to follow in the footsteps of his estranged/deceased father, gets caught up in fighting for a greater cause and grows beyond himself as he learns to trust the people around him and his mentor's teachings, to bring down an oppressive force's superweapon". Ideally, you'd get a bit more into the other characters and how they work towards the same main themes as well.
What anon did was the equivalent of:
"There's this regular guy living with his aunt and uncle who'll meet a mentor figure and go on an adventure. Also there's a bad guy working for an evil empire with a superweapon."

>>220342455
The kids at my wife's school like the sequels

>>220351393
It was supposed to be an alternative to the retardation of disneed. Anyone with context of the thread and topic could see that. Thanks for the useless wall of text.

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>The kids at my wife's school like the sequels

>>220351510
>It was supposed to be an alternative
And it ended up being nothing at all.
But apparently you don't understand even the basics of storytelling.

>>220351512
Imagine being a grown man and having that image saved

>>220342455
I haven't watched the sequels but the prequels are still shit. They would be embarrassingly shit if I didn't still have some residual goodwill from the Original trilogy

>>220351555
For some reason there's a rather large intersection between Star Wars fanboys, particularly those who grew up with the prequel trilogy, and fringe right-wing /pol/tards obsessed with transsexuals. Don't ask me why. George Lucas would hate them.

>>220351555
I don't have to imagine it, faggot.

>>220343945
Lol no, TFA is the best one, TLJ is bad but with good cinematography, and TROS is genuinely one of the worst movies ever made.

>>220344364
>Poe has his whole background laid out
He has a character show up for five minutes who nobody's never heard of before but she apparently has a magic coin that lets them get onto the big star destroyer without being detected (which despite being fucking retarded is immediately thrown out because they start shooting the second they land on it) and she only exists so that women will stop going "wow is poe gay? he and finn hugged one time so they should be gay together!" that, and getting the actress a cheap credit
Most people couldn't even tell you the character's name without looking it up.

Ah yes the tolerant Lefts new tactic. Accuse people of being "Street shitters" when they start losing the argument. What a genuine people they are.

>>220342455
I can’t possibly hate this movie any worse.

>>220351611
You'll never learn.

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>Padmé Amidala and Anakin Skywalker have a 5-year age gape, with Padmé being 14 and Anakin 9 when they meet in The Phantom Menace.

>>220351603
Just about everyone who speaks english has at least heard of star wars. The spaces you inhabit just trend right wing.

>>220345747
It’ll be weird in the future when the whole woke thing is truly done, rewatching media from the franchises that survive this, and you get to the 2010s and there’s this weird phase where all of them just become the same anti-white slop before going back to normal.
Like think of Batman. You have 60s pop art Batman, no 70s Batman, 80s goth Batman, 90s toy commercial Batman, 2000s realistic/tacticool Batman, and then you get to the Batman movies where Catwoman bitches about White privilege and a strong black lady mayor makes Bruce Wayne Do The Right Thing and the Joker is getting raped for being an incel in another universe. It’s gonna be weird. I imagine the last decade will be skipped in most people’s rewatches

>>220346120
What’s weird is in the very beginning of the first Plinkett review, they acknowledge that the under 20s demographic did like the movies. They call them idiots for it, but they do acknowledge that fact. Now I see prequel haters saying the prequels were all universally despised by everyone and anything else is “zoomer revisionism”

>>220351845
I'll never understand why any right-winger would watch any Star Wars and become a fan of it, considering how blatantly left-wing it is in its messaging. Particularly the prequels.
Of course, media illiteracy is a thing, and judging by several right-wing Star Wars grifters on youtube, it does seem to be at play here.
Another thing that seems strong in those groups is the ability to stubbornly project their own believes onto films and characters. Which means that they can interpret something that has the bad guy reenact Hitler's rise to power in Weimar Germany as either non-political or, more astonishingly, as a pro-right-wing message. And then watch the Star Wars sequels, which (in those few moments when they have messages at all) rarely ever have any political drive behind them - and claim that they are somehow "woke" and "feminist".
Still, I like to think of human beings as mostly rational entities, so the notion of a right-wing Star Wars fanboy will never sit right with me.

>>220352085
Your mushy brain lives like in 2022. Yikes.

>>220352116
What are you even trying to say, anon? That we live in a post-reason world now? Besides, these politics-obsessed Star Wars fanboys have existed for decades, arguably half a century now.

>>220352085
The Rebel Alliance overthrowing the Empire are like the American revolutionary army fighting off the evil britishers- right wingers love that shit.

>>220352281
You know what, you're absolutely correct. Thank you, disney shill desperately hoping to bait people into being positive about star wars. Star wars just isn't for me or other right-wing/normal people.

>>220351660
I fucking love when they do shit like that. Just abandon all pretence of being noble or just and spew the most hateful thing they can think of, which is being non-White. Very very telling.

Lol, most of these shitty franchises fell on its face 20 years ago. Rightoids are retards.

>>220352408
>disney shill
Interesting that you consider a remark like
>sequels, which (in those few moments when they have messages at all)
as "shilling".
That's the lack of (media) literacy I was talking about.

>>220352385
>overthrowing the Empire are like the American revolutionary army fighting off the evil britishers
Except that Lucas made it pretty clear that the Empire is America, not Britain. Culminating in the ewoks as a blatant allusion to the vietkong in their guerilla tactics. So American nationalist patriotism taking a stance against (an also right-wing) Britain doesn't quite cover it.

>>220352085
>I'll never understand
yeah, I can tell you don't understand a lot of things.

>>220352590
Help me then. Explain what your understanding of the situation is. Intellectual numbness or willful ignorance?

The only good star wars movies are the original trilogy

>>220352621
They aren't that good. Adults shouldn't care so much about this shit anyway.

>>220352548
>Except that Lucas made it pretty clear that the Empire is America, not Britain. Culminating in the ewoks as a blatant allusion to the vietkong in their guerilla tactics. So American nationalist patriotism taking a stance against (an also right-wing) Britain doesn't quite cover it.
You are out of your fucking mind. Go back to /pol/ and stay there.

>>220352697
If they weren't good the constant spam to promote their sequel subversion wouldn't be necessary

Liberals were right about almost everything.

>>220352769
Prequels already subverted the originals and there's nothing wrong with subvertion. Politics turned your brain into mush.

>>220352802
No, stop trolling
You suck at it

>>220352697
What should adults care about (on-topic)?

>>220352775
liberals weren't right about anything

>>220352729
>You are out of your fucking mind.
Lucas himself outright said that it was exactly that, so take it up with him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxl3IoHKQ8c

>>220352618
Holy shit you can't pass as a native English speaker at all what the fuck is that sentence structure lmao. They pay you guys far too much for this incompetence lmao.

>>220352834
Movies for adults, not corporate slop for children. You certainly shouldn't cry manchild tears that they ruined your childhood hero - a bland character from a 50 year old movie with puppets.

>>220352889
>Movies for adults
Like?

>>220352618
>Explain what your understanding of the situation is
Fucking kek, you're all going to be replaced with LLMs you know.

>>220352889
You are 100% correct fuck star wars. Thank you.

>>220352889
Being really concerned about being seen as an adult is very childish

>>220352881
>you can't pass as a native English speaker at all what the fuck is that sentence structure lmao
... says the guy unable to use punctuation.

>>220352889
They are removing your subversion from the canon because everyone that matters hates it

>>220352895
All kind of movies. Dramas, arthouse. You can watch Star Wars or capeshit and treat it as any other movie. The sequel trilogy is shitty because they are bad movies, not because they ruined your heroes, lol. Grow the fuck up.

>>220352954
Post titles.

>>220352954
Post titties.

>>220352954
It's both

>>220352971
>anon posts 10 year old takes as if they were fresh shit
>has to be a foid
Deep.

>>220352834
Love Exposure (2008)

>>220352943
>but but what about (you)?
Weak to the point of being unable to defend yourself kek

>>220352954
You're correct fuck star wars. In fact I'm going to tell my sister not to take her kids to mandalorian and grogu. You've opened my eyes, thank you.

>>220352954
>not because they ruined your heroes,
You're wrong about this.
You have been tainted by cynicism and have betrayed yourself to the extent you can't even remember authentic experiences.

>>220352889
>corporate slop for children.
This should be seen as a war crime.
Children should be raised with kino and ageless myths, not harmful trash.

>>220352981
It's not. These flicks aren't even political, you're just angry that Luke wasn't some badass warrior. That's the main complaint about the second movie.

Wowee this angry guy makes a good point, I'm cancelling disney+ right now and never ever watching any star wars again. It's not for me or my friends and family.

>>220353064
>defend yourself
How needlessly combative. I'd rather have a civil debate, defending talking points rather than "myself".

>>220353095
I agree. Children should be raised with French arthouse films.

>>220342455

Correct.

>>220353018
Seems juvenile.

>>220353143
You got called out and did nothing to refute the accusation and just tried a desperate "b-but u". Do you need me to define any other words or explain any other contexts or situations for you, esl brainlet weasel?

>>220353180
>You got called out
On what, exactly? You not liking some specific sentence structure?

>>220353279
Fuck you I'm not duolingo. You exposed yourself, don't beg me to be your teacher.

>>220353365
In other words, you are a moron who cannot speak his own language.

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>>220346324
Seriously where was the alternative media. back when I was.... so much younger, one of my best friend was the biggest PT hater I knew but he still played HOURS of Battlefront 2.

>>220353390
Sure is my language we're both speaking in. You're damn right. Not whatever yours is kek.

>>220353427
>Sure is my language we're both speaking in.
Ah, so this is supposed to be a full sentence?

>>220342455
Did people revision the prequels in 2009-10? I think it took until atleast Disney buying LucasFilms, if anything I didn't really see it until maybe 2015-16

>>220344148
I get what you mean about TRoS. It was my favorite of the three. Not that I watched any of them twice.

>>220353493
No one really revised his opinion of them. It's just that the children that grew up with them slowly turned old enough to join the discourse. Which in turn also emboldened manchildren who'd always liked them to come out of the closet.

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>>220353493
I feel like this is always something that older fags take for granted. Myself included. We've seen it all. Our standards are biased. But for younger audiences with fresher eyes things are different. Novelty isn't really a defense and quality is still judged by merit not nostalgia, but our own novelty and nostalgia isn't any better by default. I saw my younger nephews playing light saber duels with wiffles bats the same way we did with the OT. There's value in that. But are kids playing ST? I don't think so.

>>220353579
>But are kids playing ST?
They're probably playing this Star Wars Battlefront shit on their consoles. Times have changed more about the form an experience takes than about the content of the experience.
Just like we used to still read actual physical books back in the day.

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>>220342455
Star Wars 1977 and Empire Strikes back are still great movies today. The rest are varying degrees of shit. Ewoks and the softening of Darth Vader ruined RotJ. Jar Jar Binks and all the bing bing wahoo ruined the prequels. The Disney feminization ruined the sequels.

The cartoons and silly animation series are all shit. The side stories are all shit with maybe perhaps Rogue One being not quite to the level of actual shit even though it probably is.

The only people who care at all anymore about Star Wars are some low-IQ, low-T, manbabby millennials, but that's it. Zoomers dropped Star Wars just as they have purposely dropped everything and anything embraced by millennials. Gen Alpha never even noticed Star Wars because they were captured by Marvel. Star Wars is dead otherwise, dead now and in the future because already the only audience it has left are a few aged manbabbys.

>>220353441
It would only seem that way to a native English speaker

>>220353639
>Star Wars Battlefront
If anything they're playing Fortnite and getting SW skins, but even then they're not playing as Rey and Finn or any of the other sequel shit, they're buying Darth Vader or stormtrooper skins instead because they look cool.

>>220353722
>Rogue One
It tries to hard to be a gritty serious story but there's too many characters that nobody gives a shit about, or they're just one-note side characters that are there to have a single "cool" scene and immediately die.
Everyone remembers Obi-Wan Kenobi and Princess Leia but nobody can even remember the names of "asian monk guy", "guy with big gun", or "vaguely ethnic pilot guy who gets tentacle raped" from Rogue One off the top of their heads.

>>220353743
No. It's definitely an elipsis. Missing a subject. (In case you didn't notice, I just provided another example of that.)
Meanwhile, you still are unable to point out why exactly you disliked my sentence structure in that post.

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>>220343945
Absolutely peak contrarianism. This has the added benefit that it will really enrage people, causing them to respond, while being about a totally pointless topic. Everyone who replies to you has already lost.

>>220348259
I have to disagree, I’m not that poster. Not the one in particular you replied to. But, I do have to say, I think his usage of grammar, particularly his mastery of the most humble comma, was just sublime.

Utterly, utterly, utterly, utterly sublime. Poignant even. Breathtaking. Exquisite. The kind of sentence you wish you could dive inside of, and live there forever. Forever, among the rolling hills of whimsy, where penmanship, a good grasp of grammar and prose, and the oxford comma can all commingle together, watching the iambic pentameters frolic gailly amongst the borogroves.

Oh, a comma, a comma, my kingdom, for, a, comma! And now, with one final coma, I slip, into, a coma.

>>220353896
>The kind of sentence you wish you could dive inside of, and live there forever.
What you describe is called "coma", anon, not "comma".

SHITE IN MAH MOOTH

>>220342455
The key is GEORGE LUCAS. The prequels are made by him, so they are canon by default, and accepted now as so.

The sequels were largely not by him, as Bob Iger told Lucas to fuck off. They used like maybe 5% of his ideas. They will not be accepted as canon, because they are greedy corporate fiction.