>What if Superman were EVIL?Okay, but like, doesn't having him grow up in the most tragic environment possible STILL warp that idea? Because now the audience isn't watching a guy who was raised in a normal household abuse his power because absolute power corrupts absolutely, but instead, we're watching a mentally ill man with godlike powers. I understand that his backstory is the inverse of Superman, but Superman is not defined by his powers alone, he's the entire package. So in that regard, we STILL don't have a story that explores "What if Superman were evil?". The closest might be Ryan but they decided their not interested in using that character anymore.
>>220362139Homelander is the good guy
>>220362139Yes
>>220362139Homelander would be a lot less interesting if he was a run-of-the-mill psychopath without a tragic backstory
>>220362139Doesn't even make sense, Superman's an alien so his Kryptonian psychology and brain chemistry is arguably different than a human's and he lives in the same world where magic and demigods obviously exist so the whole "'I'm the closest thing to god" thing he has going on still doesn't work
What if Superman bad?
>>220362437Maybe, but it explores the idea better of, "What if someone with a normal human mind has superman powers? Would he turn into a complete asshole or still strive to be good?". Kind of like a lot of people lean towards the "nice" options in a video game when there is no pressure because of the debate if humans are innately good or evil. By making him a tortured soul from the moment he was conceived, you muddy up that idea.But then again, I suppose the idea was never about exploring the human mind combined with godlike powers (Which are just Greek gods) and just about the world of superheroes being made ugly and undignified. I still think they laid it on a little too thick by having him incinerated as a child. Like, no duh he turned into a genocidal maniac. Could we have dialed it down a bit to suggest that Homelander could've turned it around at some point and chose the point of no return? They dogpiled the tragedy on him so much, I just can't see why he WOULD have a conscience, which I think is a compelling flaw.
>>220362139On top of that, almost every other supe is shown to act like more of a selfish abusive asshole without any tragic backstory, making Homelander look even better by contrast.
>>220362139>>220362437I never read it, but The Plutonian is another "superman but evil" that you might like.
>>220362958Irredeemable
>>220362139>>220362709Homelander is just Reverse SupermanWe still don't have a "Evil Superman" who went the same childhood as Kal-El but goes evil for the luls
>>220363006>>220362139you might have autism
>>220362994YeahSomeone on /co/ posted some pages where he slaughters a crowd at a baseball game.
>>220362139The show sucks, man. The comic was fucking gay too. Stop complaining about your slop you asked for it.
>>220363054nta but you seem to have a low IQ
>>220363148the comic is 100x worse than the show, the comic is edgeslop written as if its written by a 13 year old shadow the hedghog fan
>>220363157yeah, i'm the one with a low IQ because i can understand the symbolic similarities between two characters without them literally having the exact same childhood - makes a lot of sense..
>>220362139>Because now the audience isn't watching a guy who was raised in a normal household abuse his power because absolute power corrupts absolutelyDo you want him "evil", in the sense of he's just a malicious character, or do you want him seeing himself as a good guy but he has lost his way? Because the latter exists in multiple different forms with Superman himself. Justice Lords and Injustice are two obvious and semi-recent examples, but they've been doing that plot line for forever.>I understand that his backstory is the inverse of Superman, but Superman is not defined by his powers alone, he's the entire package.I mean this is sort of the point right? Part of why Superman is the way he is is is because of how he was raised. You change that and he's a different person.>>220363006I'm a little confused as to what you are asking for. You want a Superman who was raised by a loving family but then just becomes evil as an adult for no reason? Or are you asking for like, Superman as a child had an untreated conduct disorder?
Season one: he’s what a random dude would act like if given super powers. A little unstable, and detachedSeason 2+: it’s Trump
>>220362139All capeshit & spaceshit is for mentally challenged goys. Do yourself and the world favor and break free.
>>220363006is this not what brightburn was?
>>220363006>We still don't have a "Evil Superman" who went the same childhood as Kal-El but goes evil for the lulsBecause that is bad writing.
>>220362847NTA, I haven't watched the show but I've read the comics and there definitely is a major theme of how the human mind realistically responds to godlike power, and how ordinary people try to fight narcissists who hopd all the power. Not so subtle allusions to class earfare in therr. It came across not just in Homelander but in other characters too. You're right though it is also just a very edgy take of the ugly side of the superhero genre. Like "dude the Flash would rape so many people" turned into a fictional universe.I think both of you are kinda right. An evil Superman who sees normal people as utterly worthless is a really appealing prospect for a villain. He is also kind of one-dimensional once you realize he is just like every billionaire sociopath but turned up to 11. A great villain but not a particularly interesting person.
>We still don't have a "Evil Superman" who went the same childhood as Kal-El but goes evil for the luls
>>220365029>I'm a little confused as to what you are asking for. You want a Superman who was raised by a loving family but then just becomes evil as an adult for no reason? Or are you asking for like, Superman as a child had an untreated conduct disorder?NTA but basically a Superman who has a perfectly comfortable childhood but just falls to the natural corruption, narcissism and sociopathy that seems to appear in those who gain enormous power. Like pretty much any billionaire. You have ultra rich people who can do what they want with no repercussions and you get something like Epstein island. Now imagine a guy who is essentially unkillable and can destroy the whole world.
>>220365840I don't think this really works 1 to 1 because the reason billionaires are like that is because they are totally insulated from the rest of the world. Clarke spends most of his time with normal people, living as a normal person would. There aren't physical consequences to things he does sure, but he still has to pay bills normally.That being said, a Superman who has to keep his ego in check from the constant praise of those normal people is potentially interesting. If everyone is calling you a near God, you might start to believe it yourself. But I think that is generally kept in check for Superman because he has Clarke. So I think you would still need to change a pretty significant part of either his upbringing, normal life, or both, otherwise he has the fact he is treated like a normal person 90% of the time keeping him level.
>>220366244>the reason billionaires are like that is because they are totally insulated from the rest of the worldThat's part of the reason. Part of it is just that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.>Clarke spends most of his time with normal people, living as a normal person would. He chooses to do that though. If he wanted, he could publicly be Superman all the time. It's not like anyone can assassinate him (by conventional means anyway). He could be the biggest celebrity on Earth. I don't even know why he bothers having money, he could probably make his own gold mine somewhere sell all the gold and become a multi-millionaire and sitll have money to make the local villagers whose land it was rich.>But I think that is generally kept in check for Superman because he has ClarkeAbsolutely, but again Clarke is optional. The fact that people can talk shit to Clarke and he won't punch through their skull is not something he has to endure. He chooses to do it because he is such an insanely good person. People treating Clarke he is some normal, nervous guy doesn't make him actually feel like one, or at least it shouldn't because it is obviously not true. I feel there is a plausible reality where he is not such a good person and gradually just becomes more arrogant and brazen with his powers.
>>220362139not an excuse for being a chud.
>>220362139It's a metaphor about how whites are evil.
>>220362847> Kind of like a lot of people lean towards the "nice" options in a video game when there is no pressure because of the debate if humans are innately good or evil.To be fair, video games lean towards extreme binaries for their moral decisions. You (a powerful adventurer) find a bandit attacking a defenceless villager. After killing the bandit do you: A) Allow the villager to take his life savings back and return to his family.B) Cast fireball on the villager, take his life savings, then mock his family by imitating how he screamed when he burnt?A much more realistic evil for the average empowered person would be to become a cult leader. Save the villagers, show magnanimity, and over time lead them to become completely reliant on and subservient to you. This is especially insidious because you could convince yourself that you were helping them.Yes a sociopath would just brutalise them, but most people aren’t sociopaths. Pride though? We can all fall victim to that.
>>220362709Second image on the top left is Hasan Piker
>>220367092could you be anymore of a jobless fag?
>>220365470No. Brightburn was a normal kid until he got mind controlled into being evil.
>>220362139>absolute power corrupts absolutelyWhy the hell would THEY want you thinking that
>>220365029I think I just want them to dial back the tragedy a bit. It's hard to tell if he was just born a destructive monster because of his genes and them manipulating his DNA, since he burst out of his mother's womb and he killed every parental figure they gave him, or if he's a destructive monster because they locked him in a box for his entire life and subjugated him to horrible experiments. I can get behind him bursting out of the womb and killing someone. He's an infant with superpowers. I can get that they would be afraid and put him in a superhero proof room to control him. But they never thought of bringing on other supes to parent him? Hold him? Feed him with a bottle? Not every supe is susceptible to his laser beams and they can make laser beam proof metal, so like, did we really have to go full Mengele with his backstory? Why not make him a lab experiment with fake superhero parents that are only hitting a checklist of "love" (Scripted "inspiring" speeches, scheduled moments for holding and playing, etc.)? So that way we can believe that Homelander has the possibility of having a conscience and all his evil actions are because he's choosing the worst outcome. It would add to his abandonment issues because his fake parental figures would clock in and clock out and he would never have a sense of time for when they would be back. As of right now, they just did so much shit to Homelander that when he wants to destroy the planet, I go, "Yeah, of course he does, he was literally grown to not have a conscience. How sad.", as opposed to he has the chance to stop and reflect and chooses not to.
>>220362139Yeah it's weird because he's pretty much totally justified to act the way he does. He's just a victim lashing out, mostly at his tormentors and their enablers.
>>220362437>a run-of-the-mill psychopath without a tragic backstoryA tragic backstory IS run-of-the-mill for tv/movie psychopaths.
>>220362709>>220362958>>220362994>>220363122Irredeemable feels like someone got fed up with the evil Superman trend and took every possible batshit interpretation to its limits in one go instead of letting people spend years one-upping each other any further.
>>220362139Megamind is unironically the closest thing to what you're looking for
>>220362139what if you stopped caring about jewish media
>>220362139>"What if Superman were evil?"that james gunn produced shit movie
>>220362437>Homelander would be a lot less interesting if he was a run-of-the-mill psychopath without a tragic backstoryLiterally the comic book version, and its better. The clone didnt have a sappy story, he is just evil because he is
