Here is your aztec wife, conquistador
>>220366437
she would probably be butt ugly irlanime makes any race cute
>>220366437It’s crazy to think that Spaniards fucked the entire Hispanic race into existence
>>220366437I masturbate to AI Chel every day!!https://litter.catbox.moe/a1w21m.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/fjkl2i.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/502gmu.mp4
This literally happened btw. The native tribes would send baddies to cook for the conquistadors and get their pussies filled as a sign of goodwill.
>>220366437She's clearly Mayan
>>220367358I wish I had my own personal harem of tortilla baking indio whores. Hernan's Conquistadors truly lived the best lives.
>>220367358there's a fine line between pimping and being a cuck
>>220367399This is basically the plot of the 50 shades of Grey trilogy
now they clog up the metros of Madrid and Barcelona with their 6 kids playing tiktoks at full volume as revenge
>>220367443You can't pimp your own daughters
>>220367637Montezuma's revenge
>>220366437Unfortunately irl Natives are very trashy
>>220367720Good I hope so. I love native babes more than life itself.
>>220367720No they’re not. Just some of them.
>>220367720I am going to Toronto in the summer, any advice on how to have sex with native babes??
>>220367218when i get a time machine im sterilizing all conquistadors
Thanks bro
>>220367323You don't have the balls to post 5 more of those
>>220368112Saar just be natural self of delusions, raping, and smelling like poo
>>220368434based
>>220368434Would definitely
>>220366437Some chick called me a "colonizer" on IG the other day and I honestly kinda took it as a compliment even though she obviously didn't mean it that way. After I told her this, I was blocked. She also said something about mayonnaise which, I think, was supposed to make me ashamed of being white or something.Reddit and IG allow all kinds of anti-white comments btw.
>>220367720are american indians just jeets?? or is the girl in your pic a jeet WE WUZ indians'ing? i'm confused
>>220370220Thats literally just what they look like
I remember back in the day when the film was still new everyone said she mogged TF out of Jap anime girls. I still agree with that opinion to this day.
I want me some REAL american gf
>>220366437>AztecMayan ackshually
>>220367399>born too late to do thisOr am I...?
>>220366437I love aztec women
>>220370515It's so crazy it just might work
>>220367399This reads like historical fanfiction
Stop calling all native girls Aztec. Aztec women are a distinct ethnic and cultural group and have their own distinct kind of sexiness
>>220370999>their own distinct kind of sexiness I'm sorry to tell you, but most of them looked like this
>>220371103That woman doesn't have Aztec features, aztecs(mexica) came from the north and had slimmer faces, plus most of the hot ones ended up interbreeding with the Spanish. Pureblood Mexica were far hotter at Spanish contact than they are today
>>220371103I'm sorry to tell you but that's distinctly sexy and I would
>>220367218Anon, the spaniards are Hispanic tooe
>>220370515
>>220370220Feather Indians look nothing like Dot Indians
>>220370091you should behave like a bad boy with brown women
>>220371888Why is there sand everywhere in the middle of downtown? Is this common in south america?
>>220372392it's salt
>>220366437After visiting South America I realized all the trashy Latino memes were all about Mexico. The rest of the Latin world is cool as hell and the Latinas are out of this world
>>220371103if you cant appreciate a woman like this you're ngmi
>>220372453Yep. Aztecs were literally insane, avoid Central American latinas like the plague.
Crazy that Oxford College is older than both the Aztecs and Incas.
>>220371888Dear lords…
Chel and pretty much everything else (despite the name of the movie) in El Dorado is based on the Maya, not the AztecThough honestly her facial features remind me more of Zapotec or Mixtec women from OaxacaAnyways I am happy to answer your questions on Mesoamerican history and archeology>>220367358>>220367421>>220367443The Maya and other Mesoamericans were city-states, kingdoms, and empires, not "tribes". Writing, cities, formal governments go back in the region many thousands of years (pic).EX: Teotihuacan was a city in the same area as the Aztec but 1000 years earlier, and Tlaxcala was one of the states which allied with Cortes against the Aztec, and each was respectively on par with some of the largest Roman and Spanish cities of the time. Tlaxcala was also a republic with a formal senate (and Teotihuacan may have also been a democracy) and was compared to the finest Spanish cities by Cortes. The Aztec Empire was nearly, about as, or more densely populated then Spain itself was at the time, and some recent studies put Classic Maya civilization as being more densely populated then Italy during the height of the Romans (though even to me that seems like a stretch)But otherwise, your post isn't entirely wrong: Various Mesoamerican states did give Conquistadors noblewomen or princesses as attempted political marriages, trying to establish alliances and cementing political relationships alongside working with Conquistadors to take out their existing capitals or rival states, since that was how politics worked in Mesoamerica.But the Spanish were not really playing the same political game and didn't see the Mesoamerican states as equal political partners (or even junior ones the same way a less powerful Mesoamerican city state would be viewed by it's capital), so it usually didn't result in those states retaining status within the Spanish colonial system, and the women given as political marriages were often mistaken as gifts as concubines1/2
>>220367218its a weird rape victim fantasy, its not a thing. its like saying the moors fucked Sicilians into existence.if the Mexican revolution never happened this wouldnt be the narrative
>>220370091lol you wish this happened McBrown, you will never be wasp
>>220372926>>220370527I don't know what group these women are from specifically, but I'm willing to bet they aren't from Mexico, let alone "Aztec"/Nahua>>220371103Yalitza Aparicio is Mixtec, and you say "sorry" but she is one of the exact people I was thinking of when I said that Chel looks Oaxacan to me.>>220372612This is "true" but misleadingFirstly, Oxford didn't really exist as a university in the way we think of it back in it's very early history. So it might be more accurate to say that "Oxford" predates the Aztec and Inca Empires, but that "Oxford University" didn't.It's also misleading, or at least isn't meaningful, because the Aztec and Inca just happen to be particularly late forming empires in Mesoamerica and the Andes respectively, even though both had other civilizations and empires going back many thousands of years prior to when those two formed in particular, as you can see for Mesoamerica and the Aztec in the pic I posted in >>220372926 . It's just most people know jack shit about Mesoamerica and Andean history and assume that they were the only or first major political powers in their regions.For example, you could also say "Oxford is older then Germany" and nobody would think that's mind blowing, because obviously Germany is a very recent nation in Europe. That doesn't mean there weren't earlier countries, empires, and kingdoms in the same area. Or you could compare it to Spain, which either formed centuries after the Aztec (and therefore also after Oxford), or at the earliest, when Castile and Aargon unified, a few decades after the Aztec Empire (and a few decades before the Cortes expedition)A much more interesting fact IMO is how the last independent Maya city-states and kingdoms only fell to the Spanish in 1697, almost 200 years after Cortes, and after the 13 American colonies, and even a few years after the Salem Witch Trials in particular3/3 for now
>>220366657you just know that horse fucks her every hole you just know
>>220373186So Oxford U. is older than the Aztecs, then? Got it.
>>220373031Listen here, Haysoos – I'm unapologetically white and my whiteness radiates energy, a white power, if you will. Nobody can suppress my white power.
>>220373264Oxford might be, Oxford as a university isn't.Also, emphasis on "might be", because you said "Aztecs" rather then "Aztec Empire" there The Aztec Empire is particularly recent, forming in 1428, but the "Aztecs" as we think of them existed for a few centuries prior to that non-unified city-states in the 1200s and 1300s (though even after the Aztec Empire formed, it was more a loose network of quasi-indepedent city-states then a unified imperial power anyways), and in some of their own histories even earlier, in some cases to like 900 or even 700AD, though those are probably mythologized records, and even the city-states which don't claim histories going that far back still would have, in their own migration narratives, existed as less organized societies back in Aztlan or whatever for centuries prior to the 1200s too.Plus, some researchers think the Toltecs existed (rather then just being mythical) and would have spoken Nahuatl, which would make them "Aztecs" in some definitions, and they existed from like 900-1100AD. Others propose that Nahuatl or Proto-Nahuatl existed in Central Mexico even earlier, like from 200-500 AD onwards, and that Teotihuacan was Nahua, which would make them arguably "Aztecs" tooSo by saying "Aztecs" rather then "Aztec Empire", you open the door to the Aztecs existing well before Oxford did in any shape or form, as a university or not. Though I admit that calling Teotihuacan or the Toltecs "Aztecs" is a stretch.
>>220366437She should have looked like webm related from SotTR
>>220366437Chel if she in LA
>>220374370I get what she's saying, but "red pussy" can have an unfortunate connotation.
>>220366657yjk
>>220367720>Unfortunately
>>220368434Insanely cute
>>220371103If you don't want a woman who looks like she knows how to kill and butcher you, just give up
>>220373366t. Glen McBrown Santonili ywn be a wasp, muttLol.
>>220373939The mod to give her a cuter face and green eyes is essential for this game. It's a shame the only people who bothered to edit her figure turn her into a monstrosity. I just wanted her to be a bit closer to her anniversary/legend/underworld body.
>>220374745>>220373939Hair https://www.nexusmods.com/shadowofthetombraider/mods/418Face https://www.nexusmods.com/shadowofthetombraider/mods/381Eyes https://www.nexusmods.com/shadowofthetombraider/mods/274
>>220372392thats fucking snow you retard
>>220374370that was clearly posted by a white guy with one hand
>>220375910Sure, pablo
>>220373375>>220373186>>220372926I'm going to bed but I will be around to answer questions about Mesoamerican stuff tommorowHave some depictions of Chel in more historically authentic outfits to entice people to ask stuff (see https://www.deviantart.com/kamazotz/art/Historically-Accurate-Chel-509575222 for more details behind the clothing choices and it being uncensored)
>>220374358Need to smoochee the Sochee
>>220372926>blah blah blah blahactually mouthbreather, they were all borderline retarded primitives who ran around nearly naked and lived in huts made of sticks and mud. they were not some advanced society living in worked stone palaces. the most complex thing the mayans ever came up with was their calendar (which is retarded). they used stone tools and ate each other.
>>220370091great post junior shouldn’t you be getting ready for school?
>>220367323I don't believe you. No man can masturbate to a mere three AI chelsyou must have more
>>220376364have sex, chud
>>220376520>just let yourself get pozzed by some whore so she can emotionally manipulate you into hating her so she can feel persecutedno thanks
>>220368112Anon theres no chugs in torcongo. Only nigs and jeets
Mesoamerican girls are a gift from the universe
>>220366437I had a thing with a girl that looked and was built just like Chel for nearly a year, she was Persian though and married, and clinically insane. But every time I see Chel I think of her
>>220376689Is this fucking game done yet?
>>220367720Is there enough of them for a Scalped adaptation? Good comic
>>220371103I see nothing wrong here.
>>220367720oh no haha that would suck just hanging out in a lakota bar and getting felt up by some trashy lakota girl haha
>>220371103I feel oddly safe when I look at her
>>220368112Be white and look like you have at least a bit of money. Wrap it up though, don't get tied to a native girl.
>>220368112be white and attractive
>>220368112is this a euphemism for all the jeets
>>220377116Can you imagine haha?
>>220377212i feel like shes not ugly enough to not fuck if desperate but not good looking enough to care if she fell off a cliff or broke an ankle, you could just leave her and keep going
>>220376689>gift from the universeThe universe doesn't give gifts, my cringe lord.
>>220372561Yep. Incas are where it’s at
>>220370527Sauce?!
Imagine
>>220371709>>220372559>>220374613>>220377052>>220377212Fucking BASED stout squat goblina aztec enjoyers
>>220375967Here's some other historically-accurate depictions as well.
>another incel sex fantasy threadwhy aren't these removed as offtopic? this has nothing to do with tv or films, go make interracial fetish threads on other boards
>>220374358Median Mexican American household income in California is $112,000 per year now. Most LA Latinas that dress like that now are pure larpers.
>>220377624And yet here you are
>>220377638The professional actress... was pretending?
I made my half mexican gf grow her bangs out and now her hair looks like thatI also made her gain 40lbs she cried at first but now she just enjoys the food and lets me play with her bobs
>>220375967I knew it was youGood shit in that dA
>>220377290>North American Satsuki HNNNNNGH
>>220370091You're not a victim, just playing as one for attention.
>>220366437For me it's the Siberian natives, or what I like to call to call it: S-pop.https://youtu.be/tXLoP9iSU5Y?si=L52-QWfktPLmpK9Q
>>220370220No, Columbus thought they were jeets tho
>>220370527These are South American women.
>>220379609No he didn't, he called them "en dios" essentially "people of god", Amerigo Vespucci had mapped the east coast of the new lands years before. Columbus knew they were going to unexplored land.
>>220372427
>>220371888>Under arrest>For too much ass
>>220376734>she was Persian>and clinically insaneMany such cases
>>220366437I'd give up post 1980 life in an instant to be an 1500-1700 colonizer on a ship. Drinking, sailing and breeding bunda with the bros
>>220373939Spooky
>>220374502Cooming in a bleeding indian (feather) pussy makes no children so no race mixing which makes it even better.
>>220368127I will get a time machine and go then and there one minute before you arrive and once I see you I will shoot you in the head.
>>220379810>No he didn't, he called them "en dios" essentially "people of god", Amerigo Vespucci had mapped the east coast of the new lands years before. Columbus knew they were going to unexplored land.Yes, he did. He called them Indios because he thought he was in India. If anything, he would've parsed indio as "without god." He probably found it an amusing play on words. We're talking about a man who enslaved, raped, and wiped out entire tribes. Columbus arrived in the Americas in 1492. Vespucci didn't get there until 1497 or later.
>>220380677>We're talking about a man who enslaved, raped, and wiped out entire tribesThat was debunked
Why are women like that?Why do they always sleep with the invaders who came to massacre and humiliate their people?
>>220380989>be biological organism>as a female specimen, your evolutionary psychology is built to ensure the strongest genetic material in your offspring is chose for in your potential mates>invaders kill your inferior males, therefore their genes are superior, therefore your offspring will be betterIt's just nature's way of saying "fight harder, cuck"
>>220372961Most latin americans have a european paternal haplogroup and an indio maternal haplogroup. Do the math retardMost of it wasn’t rape though but selective breeding between a conquered race and their conquerors
>>220380989It just do be like dat sometimes
>>220372961retard
>>220381096That's so fucked up lmao
>>220380989>Battle of Brisbane>invadersLiterally just gold-digging whores. The USD was worth like 3x the Australian pound and women are willing to fuck for material benefits.
There are entire wikipedia pages dedicated to the hundreds of nudes of arab women taken by French invaders in North Africa during the 19th and early 20th centuryhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Orientalist_nude_photographshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Postcards_of_nude_women_in_Morocco
>>220381445>all those single digit ages
>>220375967>>220373375>>220372926This guy is a cuck who has been spamming on /pol/ for over 10 years now
>>220368434cinnamon flavored goddess
>>220381445>academic nudewtf did they mean by this?
>>220367218"hispanic race" doesn't exist retard
>>220366437Bros I'm obsessed with this character, she's my exact type. How do I get a chel gf irl?
>>220381445WTF maintenant j'aime les français!
>>220378370>when you're every single Latina in the United StatesStunning and brave.
>>220380912>>We're talking about a man who enslaved, raped, and wiped out entire tribes >That was debunkedThere was some doubt cast on it, but I wouldn't say it was debunked.
>>220381445half of these are 'p lmao
>>220376364They did mostly use stone tools (but also made some use of Copper and Bronze ones), and they did do cannibalism. But everything else you said is just factually wrong. Firstly, see pic related, which has over a dozen Spanish quotes praising Mesoamerican cities, architecture, art, and social order, but I'll also reply to specific things you said below.>early nakedThe Spanish specifically commented on the fact that, unlike the natives of the Caribbean, Cuba, etc, that the Mesoamericans made and wore fine clothing, as an example of one of the ways that the Mesoamericans were civilized in their eyes. You can see a collage of Classic Maya fashion here: https://daniel-parada.artstation.com/projects/Ga5Vx1,and I can link the Postclassic collages too if you want. And to show his art is accurate, you can compare his art here: https://daniel-parada.artstation.com/projects/N5PBkJ to Yaxchilan Lintel 24 if you google it>lived in huts made of sticks and mud...not some advanced society living in worked stone palaces. Many commoners lived in daub homes, but elite housing, civic architecture, and the city centers were absolutely made of ornate stone architecture (and could get huge)EX: You can see a photo of Palenque's palace here: https://media.istockphoto.com/id/527533402/photo/palace-at-palenque.jpg , though like all stone architecture, much of their sculptures and ceramics, it would have been painted in it's heyday, like this: https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/019/164/067/8k/anxo-mijan-marono-palacio-ma.jpg?1562278757You can see just how big some cities got with this collage of Tikal's city center (and it's reservoirs, canals, dam etc network) and it's massive suburban sprawl here: https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1763/01/1763019283656.jpg>>220381634I don't post on /pol/, it's a different anon.But maybe I'll post there eventually>>220377603I mean, it's closer, but I wouldn't quite say "accurate"
>>220372453Mexico is the US of the Hispanic world
>>220382972Are you the mesoanon of old from /his/?
>>220367720Good - the trashier the better. Fuck tradwives, I want a skanky hoe.
>>220383682They're a diamond dozen around every rez in the country. Good luck!
>>220381096They're hookers giving the GIs comfort
>>220380533I will get a time machine and join youand become a conquistador too
>>220372392average /tv/ intelligence
>>220370662The fact that spanish is everywhere on an entire continent, two really, should convince you it's not.
i want to cum inside latinx pussy
>>220383236Yes
>>220381702its a cultural term, not a racial, and most latinxs have spanish dna
>>220379891Shouldn't have moved to Ireland
>>220372926Good thing I scrolled down otherwise I would've had to have been the autismo to point this out.
>>220372453If by south America you mean southern Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay yes, it's much better than the tropical jungle shitholes like Colombia and Venezuela. And thats because the southern cone is where most of the european influence remained
>>220377544can you blame the spaniards?
>>220379891You don't get arrested for that. What likely happened is some dude just bought a pullover with the word "police" on it and kink handcuffs so he can take her away and have his way with her - understandable.
>>220384169i don't blame any colonialists for anything except giving up colonies
>>220382972>all this retarded brown copelmao
>>220370091the shitskins got really mad at this one huh kek
>>220384169
>>220384334>direct quotes from Spanish Conquistadors and Friars, photos of ruins, and archeological site maps are "cope"Okay anon, let's hear it, what would you consider reputable evidence then
>>220384386>waah waste time and debate my shitskin seethekeknext you'll say >m-muh concession
>>220366437You wanna create modern day Mexicans?
>>220384413You're wasting time by replying to me now as is, why not just explain what you consider to be actual evidence?
>>220384169yeah i'm sure they looked just like that
>>220382972Was the depiction in Apocalypto (2006) accurate?
>>220384169SAUCE NOW!
AFWM are whispers of the white man's colonial past, prove me wrong
>>220370542Who/more pls
>>220384645Apocalypto is about as accurate a depiction of the Maya as Gladiator 2 is of Rome. Good movie though. Fun little backstory behind it, Gibson sought out a renowned Mayan historian to consult, but he ignored him 99% of the time, resulting in a super inaccurate depiction with a couple of small weirdly authentic pieces like the language, the casting, the bits of Mayan writing scattered around, etc. The historian only agreed to associate his name with it if Gibson helped fund the excavation of El Mirador, the largest Mayan city ever found, though as a result the movie caused even more of the general public to believe in the myths that the Mayans were a bunch of hut dwelling savages. Kind of a deal with the devil.
>>220384943Most people don't think they were hut dwelling savages. They think they were homicidal savages.
>>220384969It still cracks me up that bleeding heart whites and "whites" cry about how Apocalypto is "racist," but actual injuns love it. Some were even straight up saying, "Damn, remember when we were warriors like that?"
>>220366437Xochitl Gomez?
>>220384969>>220384992kinoooooo
>>220385075Same with whites and viking/roman larping. "Damn, remember when we were horn-helmeted, pagan berzerkers?" In actual fact, they were probably just peasants who occasionally migrated thither and yon like everyone else.
>>220378370white men and latinas are like each opposite side of two magnets, a force too powerful to stop
>>220385075they're still cutting each others' heads off. They just do it to control drug routes now, instead of to keep the sun alive.
>>220384969>>220384992>>220385121"Mel Gibson is le BASED" stuff aside, Apocalypto is genuinely the last epic that came to theaters. Maybe 2 Passion 2 Christ will change that.
>>220384994The average person absolutely does not know that Mesoamericans lived in giant clean stone megacities like pic related
>>220383824Excellent
>>220385315Who did all that cleaning? Oh...
>>220371888
>>220385315>The average personDon't you mean the average united statian?Most people know the aztecs, mayans and incas were pretty advanced and had big cities with actual societies. Its just that they were genuinely bloodthirsty
>>220385390They had professional street cleaners paid either by the state or estate owners, though overall they were just a super cleanliness obsessed society like Japan
>>220385401Given how gay j*nnies are, I'm surprised they were that based there.
>>220385474Given their penchant for being housekeepers today, I'll believe it.
>>220380989Women have never been known for fidelity or dedication. That's why the ones who are loyal stand out. We all implicitly understand they're the exception. It seems to me that a lot of men have a hard time coming to terms with that after being raised on the sugar and spice myths. It's tough to realize what you thought was real and common is borderline non-existent
>>220380989Because back in the caveman days, that was one of womens' defense mechanisms, aside from fleeing or screaming for help. When the men of their tribe were wiped out by a rival tribe, joining them without a fight was their only chance at survival.Hell, that was what the winning tribe's men did anyways, just take the loser tribe's women/girls as prizes.
>>220380989Because they're literally evil lmao
>>220381096Woe to the vanquished
Road to El Dorado >>> Prince of Egypt
>>220384969Probably a controversial opinion, but this is the only truly good movie made by Mel Gibson, the others aged like shit
>>220385782The Professor and the Madman is another.
>>220385810Never heard of it but I'll put it in my list. For the record, I meant Mel Gibson as a director, I think he's a solid actor otherwise
>>220385315>cleanthey weren't clean, they still slept in the dirt and were riddled with stds. syphilis comes from them which probably explains a lot about their retarded culture
>>220385885>syphilis comes from them which probably explains a lot about their retarded cultureA retarded argument, even if the american hypothesis could be valid. What about the other STDs plaguing Europe before that time? Was Europe even more retarded?
>>220385960no, because untreated syphilis can turn you into a raving lunatic hence meso american society was so retarded. probably
>>220376461ok boomer
>>220385854Gibsons cut of Payback is far superior to the DC
>>220386003Weren't they immune? Did any early explorers/conquistadors/etc even document syphilis among the natives?
>>220385390>Who did all that cleaning? Oh...How do you think we got the phrase, "spic and span?" *rhetorical question*
>>220385709ikes grim
>>220384159Ecuador, so yeah. A lot of European and American influence. Everyone is very religious and actually dress well and work hard.
>>220386003Sounds like nonsense, like the hypothesis of lead poisoning leading to the collapse of the roman rulling class
>>220386666Did you know a UTI in old people can make them go crazy?
>>220384169Whomst’ve pls b4 prune
Why do the El browns turn into angry jumping beans every time someone mentions the historical fact that Columbus discovered the new world? Aside from the fact that he thought he was in India, the fact remains that he did, in fact, discover the new world for Europe and anyone that didn't already live there. Sure, other small parties might've landed there (inb4 Leif) but their presence and any subsequent impact or influence was basically null. For 99.9% of the old world, Columbus discovered the new world. I think they're just high on the "decolonize everything" trend and want to minimize his achievements.
>>220386683yeah, my father got one. He didn't funded an empire of blood and sacrifice though
>>220386717>Aside from the fact that he thought he was in IndiaActually he thought he was in Japan or someplace along the Asian coast. The name Indias refers to all Asia, as the europeans called it
>>220384169Stop bumping without answering who this is
>>220385089Nah she's a descendant of native mexicans
>>220386780She's an Italian cosplayer
>>220367218Everyone alive today was fucked into existence
>>220384169>>220386780That girl is italianDon't know the name tho
I love aztec girls.
>>220386780Took me like 10 seconds with image search
>>220367323I've been monitoring this thread for over a day. Post more chel ai porn so I can finally close this tab
>>220386717It’s low hanging fruit. Nobody cares about Columbus THAT much, so he’s an easy target for them to take down. But he was just the first domino. Once they proved they could effectively change history by being about nonsense, they started doing it to all white historic hero’s.
>>220375967>>220382972Cont:>>220384645No, Apocalypto both has a lot of granular errors, as well as deeper, fundamental issues where the entire premise and aesthetic of the movie, and how it presents Maya society even in a basic sense is at odds with realityI'm not saying it's a bad movie, it's well executed, but "what it's trying to do" entirely misrepresents the setting, which I obviously care about, and even putting aside my interest in that setting, it's hard to overstate just how much the movie influences public perception of Mesoamerica and spreads misconceptions in the processThe big fundamental issues are:A: The Maya are shown either in simple idealistic tiny villages as a sort of anarcho-primitivist eden, or in a hedonistic, sadistic hellish urban dystopia. Neither of them are close to the functional societies the Mesoamericans actually had. They did sacrifices sure, but these were city-states with formal laws, diplomacy and social institutions. Again, read the quotes in >>220382972 even if they're about the Aztec rather then the Maya. Even the smallest, most rural village would still have farms, political and trade links to other villages, towns and larger citiesB: The movie makes things look things as primitive and poorly crafted as possible, with some of the clothing etc being entirely made up. This isn't just your usual "colorless medieval filter and layer of grime", it's more like using a town in a Fallout game to represent a IRL American city today: Stuff is actually just built/made worse and tons of things are just totally fictional designs (which are also meant to look poorly made).For more info, see these posts plus pic related (and the second image I'll include in my next post)archived.moe/tv/thread/204623679/#204637541desuarchive.org/co/thread/152289244/#152310774archived.moe/lit/thread/25015193/#250411945/? (Not counting some smaller replies I did)
>>220371103and?
For me, it's Burma, Mr Wayne.
>>220384381Many such cases
>>220380450Most of them died in their expeditions
Are Latinas actually real or just made up by Americans online? t.European
>>220389207It's obviously just made up white mixed with brown of some kind and they usually speak spanish, nobody has a clue so they just call them latina. The only real races are white, nigger, bug, pajeet, persian and maybe south american brown. You could maybe also separate bug into brainy bugs and whorey bugs depending on country but that's probably just culture rather than biology.
>>220389207It was just a prank, bro.
>>220389207Texan here. They're real, and a lot of them are hot as fuck until they're about 25 and get fat.
>>220389540>The only real races areAngloid, mongoloid, negroid, mixed (most central and south Americans) and homo erectus / denisovan abos in Australia and New Guinea.
>>220389719Angloid aka Caucasoid
>>220366437>When Magellan's fleet arrived at Rio de Janeiro in December 1519, the native mistress of a pilot appeared at the shore and presented their son to him. Magellan allowed the seven-year-old son to come aboard as a cabin boy and join the Pacific crossing, but he did not permit the pilot's mistress to come along because women were not allowed on the ships.
>>220389207A complete fabrication created by big tourism in order to keep profiting off airline tickets to the Americas.I mean all this talk about "latinas" and yet not one person seems to actually have a latina gf (except schizos).Curious.
>>220366437This thread is full of delusional porn addicts. The Spanish were pulling up on girls who looked like pic related, not some cosplay whores caked in makeup.
>>220390372You have to go out of your way to be this gay.
>>220387735>>220384645Cont:Also, i'm sure some people may want to point out that the city in the film is meant to be collapsing and in decline, so it makes sense for there to be literal decay of infrastructure and quality of goods, as well as social and moral decay. And I get that, but that doesn't justify just how decrepit everything is and how much completely over the top sadism and the near complete lack of any sort of real social or political institutions we see in the movieI think there's a compelling political thriller you could have made out of Apocalypto, where you have kings priests, diplomats etc grappling with overpopulation or a drought and instead of earnestly tackling the crisis, some of them are doubling down on monumental construction and the scale of sacrifices to further flex their power and appease the gods, further accelerating the collapse, with smaller towns and villages (and so the protag, tho this would likely need multiple perspectives) getting caught up in the increased militarism and political instability, which leads to a broader regional cataclysm and collapseBut Gibson was trying to make a chase movie, not a political drama, so I get that's not what we he was going for. Some of that IS implied in the film, but that implied backdrop doesn't land when the movie presents the Maya as primitive savages offing each other.That's also why I disagree with >>220385263 in calling the movie an epic: It's not showing the fall of a once great civilization and a high society with it's own rich history and culture, with humanized officials and citizens who have a stake in it's institutions and social fabric or their own political interests like what I propose above, it's just, well, again, primitive savages offing each other. I don't see the grandeur or the heroes journey in that>>220384943I think comparing Apocalypto to Gladiator 2 is giving the former too much credit, the latter still has people in fine clothing, actual armor etc6/?
Look at this Latinx slut I just made in Sims 4
>>220390487That's a farcry from how Chel looks, so what does your homosexuality have to do with this?
>>220390372>This thread is full of delusional porn addictsNO WE ARE MIGHTY CONQUISTADORS
>>220391017Do you feel sad that these mesoamerican civilizations you love so much got completely decimated by 500 Spanish rape pirates?
>>220390372The girls the Spanish pulled on on had way stupider looking haircuts than that, and did demented shit like elongating their skulls to make themselves look weirder.
>>220391626>decimated by 500 Spanish rape piratesRetarded retard
>>220367443Pagan societies tend to see woman as cattle instead of christianity and islam where the woman is seen as a lesser human being
>>220389207The hottest ones are in Los Angeles, Argentina and Uruguay. Mexico is full of ugly indio-mestizo tortas.
>>220391638>did demented shit like elongating their skullsNot all of them did
>>220391017Cont:>>220385075Anon this is a inane way to discuss movies, you're too caught up in a stupid SJW vs /pol/tard tribalist culture war discourse mindsetI don't know or care if Gibson is racist or how Indigenous people feel about the movie (plenty are just as ignorant as anybody else about Prehispanic history/archeology, tho I will say most of the ones I know feel the same way about it as I do), and neither should you, as those have no bearing on the film's quality or it's historical accuracy. Talk about the actual film and it's content, don't just talk about the movie and your opinion on it purely based on how it plays into moronic identity-driven pissing contests>remember when we were warriors like thatWhen they were were "warriors like that", they had actual armor, garments, and other military equipment, not just rags and severed bones strung together like in the movie, see the comparison in >>220391017 and pic related>>220385390>>220385622To add onto what >>220385474 said with there being public officials cleaning streets and buildings (at least in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, which isn't the city that anon posted. Also Teno. having civil servants cleaning streets and buildings daily also admittedly comes from a pretty late source IIRC), it wouldn't have been slaves as I assume you were implying, because slaves in Mesoamerica (or again, at least in Tenochtitlan, IDK as much about Slavery elsewhere in Mesoamerica) were domestic servants, not public laborers. That being said, public labor service was something that could be demanded as a tax, so I guess you could still frame that as compelled labor if a capital city conquered another and demanded they do public labor as part of their annual taxesAlso if you're curious, two friends of mine have a breakdown of Aztec sanitation practices (as well as botanical and medical science) here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ijYHAICQuQmtfGu8JlRFHMx27J2DmsouCM_bgSOKw0/edit?usp=sharing7/?
>>220391643How many men did Cortez have when he landed in the Yucatan, sir?
>>220391658>argentinaArgies aren't latinos
What do directors of animated movies actually do?Speaking of which, never forget what (((they))) took from you>Will Finn and David Silverman were originally the film's directors with a tentative release scheduled for fall 1999.[10] Originally, the story was envisioned as a dramatic film due to Katzenberg's penchant for large-scale animated films, which conflicted with the film's lighthearted elements. This version of the story had Miguel initially conceived as a raunchy Sancho Panza-like character who died, but came back to life so much that the natives assumed he was a god. This version also included steamier love sequences and scanty clothing designed for Chel.>However, while The Prince of Egypt was in production, Katzenberg decided that their next animated project should be a departure from its serious, adult approach. Instead, he pushed for El Dorado to be an adventure comedy.[12] Because of this, the film was placed on hold, where it was jokingly referred to as El Dorado: The Lost City on Hold due to several rewrites.[11] Miguel and Tulio were rewritten as petty swindlers, and the setting of the film was changed to a more luscious paradise.[12] Additionally, the romance was toned down, and new clothing was designed for Chel.>Finn and Silverman left the project in 1998 following disputes over the film's creative direction.[9] They were replaced by Eric "Bibo" Bergeron and Don Paul.[11] Katzenberg reportedly co-directed the film albeit uncredited.
Is it coincidence that the Mayan art looked so similar to ancient Egyptian art and mayans had heiroglyphics similar to Egyptian heoroglyphics and also built pyramids like the Egyptians? Is it possible the two civilizations were in contact with eachother at any point in history, or are these similarities a crazy coincidence?
>>220391676>"Latino" refers to people with ancestry or origin from Latin America, including Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. It is a geographic, ethnic term rather than a race, covering individuals of any race, including those with African, European, or Indigenous heritage. "Latino" generally includes Brazilians but excludes people from Spain.
>>220391701Which one do you think came first, and who or what influenced them?
>>220391669Were all Aztecs cannibals or was it only Moctezuma and other elite nobles?
>>220391721Mayan are said to be 4,000 years old and Egyptians 5,000 years old. Maybe they were in contact at some point in prehistory but then lost/forgot how to travel across the Atlantic to eachother? Or the Mayans started as ancient Egyptian colonists/pilgrims who branched away and created their own thing once they landed in the yucatan.
>>220391763Another coincidence I noticed. Mayan and Phoenicians both made the same purple dye out of the same type of crustaceans and in both civilizations it was used by the priest class and nobility.
>>220391701>>220391721>>220391763>simple stuff gets developed indepently of each other IT'S A CONSPIRACY
>>220391717No somos latinos pedazo de mogolico
>>220391803I never said it was a conspiracy. It is simply interesting how the Mayans share these similarities with Egyptian and Phoenician cultures who were their contemporaries. Do you think it's possible that there are some things modern historians might be wrong about or haven't discovered yet, or is that a conspiracy too?
>>220391826chat is this real?
>>220391803>>simple stuff gets developed indepently of each otherAlso if it's so simple, why didn't other cultures all around the world Also independently make heiroglyphics, build monumental stone pyramids, use purple dye to denote their Priest class, and make the same similar looking art style that the mayans and Egyptians shared?
Oh great, the fucking meso-american autist with his first year college paper has shown up
>>220390372would, can't tell, would, wouldn't, would in a couple of years, would three pints in, wouldn't
>>220366437a friend once went to a con with a chel cosplay without wearing any panties
>>220391914you could obviously get a good peek of her lips
>>220391763Perhaps. What I meant was why discount the existence of a third party? No, I don't mean aliens, but tying into what you described what if both were, in fact, influenced by a sea-faring tribe that were completely separate from either party? Perhaps neither were ever in direct contact at all, but unknowingly connected and influenced by the aforementioned.Not to mention that the third party could be nothing more than socioecological circumstances.I don't think there's a lot of stock in overanalyzing or even defining civilizations on minor coincidences, and I say minor because they absolutely are, within the context of their respective civilizations.
>>220391903>meso-american autistHe sucks because he refuses to give Hernan his due for conquering, subjugating and buttraping New Spain.The tlaxcalans were the Aztec's bitch before Hernan and his hermanos showed up to hard carry them vs the Aztecs, this is simply a fact.
>>220391671Read a book nigga
>>220391914>>220391924I'm gettin' a real good peek up them nostrils
>>220391929I'd believe that to, like Mu or Atlantis or whatever lost civilization inspired those two myths.
>>220391939Why couldn't these native allies do jack shit against the Azteca before the Spaniards showed up to hard carry?
>>220391929>within the context of their respective civilizations.Didn't mayans and Egyptians also value astronomy and astrology?
>>220391939Can somebody explain to me how they can be so specific with "86 cavalry" and "16 cannons" but then have a fucking enormous disparity with FIFTY TO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TWO-HUNDRED THOUSAND spearchucksters?Like c'mon nigga, you couldn't find a better estimation, or just meet in the middle and call it a day?
>>220391960Um...purely socio-economic factors
>>220389207I met my latina wife on 4chan. They're real. Some might even be in this thread.
>>220391701Maya hieroglyphics were very different, and pyramids are all over the world, it's just an effective way to build things really tall.>>220391960They weren't unified, that's the reason they hadn't counter invaded yet, but "jack shit" is kind of an absurd statement, the Tlaxcalans had defeated Aztecs in battle several times, their empire was basically right in the middle of the Aztec one. Despite what coping Aztecs said, if they were capable of conquering Tlaxcala, they would have done it long ago.tldr read a book nigga. You can just pick up the actual journals and memoirs of the conquistadors themselves for free online.>>220391991The Spanish had extensive recordkeeping of their own forces, the natives either didn't or those records got burned when the Spanish went on their book burning crusade.Anyway while I love educating people about native americans, with the arrival of mesoanon people are really losing sight of the purpose of this thread, which is hornyposting.
>>220391979Value is a hard concept to back up, because as we find evidence of any minor activity within a civilization, we tend to overemphasize it due to the limited information we have and likely will always have. So is there evidence they looked at stars and tracked the moon as well as planet alignments? Yeah. They live on the Earth. Their crops depended on it. So did a dozen other major civilizations, even further back.Astronomy is, in my opinion, THE defining independently shared socioecological factor between virtually all civilizations, ancient and contemporary.You're sleeping under the same night sky some dude from 35,000 years ago did, and for every one "dude" there were millions across the Earth at the same time he was, looking at the same sky.
>>220392044Why couldn't they unify before whitey came up with the idea?
>>220391960Im gonna guess it's the same reason no one could unify japan until oda nobunaga met with the white manguns
>>220392044>tldr read a book nigga. You can just pick up the actual journals and memoirs of the conquistadors themselves for free online.In Bernal Garcia's book, the Tlaxcalan land seems pretty decrepid and after the Spanish kick their ass 3 times in a row, their chiefs desperately beg for the Spanish to save them from the meanie aztecs and tell Cortez all these stories about the Aztecs oppressing them and stealing their women. They came across as pretty pathetic and helpless. Then when Cirtez says he's going to march in to Tenochtitlan, they repeatedly beg him not to because they're scared he's going to lose.
>>220392171>Bernal GarciaBernal Diaz Castillo I meant lol
>>220372961Moors actually did fuck iberians into existence, all of them have nafri and negroid admixture, ironically there's millions of unmixed natives in latin america today with the highest fertility rates out of any group
>>220392253Yeah my wife's DNA results are fucking crazy. She's a pale Mexican with all this wild shit. Me on left.
>>220391878I wish it was.
Did the Aztecs invent women with long hair and bangs?
>>220391701>Is it coincidence that the Mayan art looked so similar to ancient Egyptian artThey don't look remotely similar but any vague similarities would, indeed, be a coincidence >and mayans had heiroglyphics similar to Egyptian heoroglyphicsAgain, completely dissimilar >and also built pyramids like the Egyptians?different functions, construction, shapes, and more.
>>220392745I believe that honor goes to the Japanese
>>220373263Well, the horse is white...
>>220392253"Moops", anon. The correct term is "moops".
>>220392253Maybe the tribute of 100 virgins isn't such a myth after all.
>>220391914why is her head so tiny
>>220371888sweet baby Jesus
>>220390372Would
>>220378370>plural ruined
>>220371103After three months in the sea surrounded by unwashed spaniards, this could be the very Venus herself.
conquistadors were about as white as the modern american islook up the uymayaad sultanate
>>220366437An Aztec wife sounds great, but I think I'd pussy out when it comes time to do the actual raping into submission. I'll just stick with my boring old consensual wife, I guess.
>>220371888I love the way my brain works because I can almost guarantee something like this will make an appearance in a dream within the next month Keep your testosterone up, the dreams alone are worth it
>>220371888This was some thot's publicity stunt btw. Not a real arrest.
>>220390372This is really disappointing.Why would they go out of their way to find the 7 ugliest women in town to do their primitive attire photo shoot?
>>220371103>All these virgins attracted to female apes Insanity
>>220391669Cont>>220385885See my prior post, they absolutely had high cleanliness standards. It's something the Spanish commented on constantly, in fact there's even a source (sadly one I lost and haven't been able to relocate) which ponders if the reason so many of the Mesoamericans were dying from diseases was because they bathed too much. (not that Medieval Europeans were dirty, that is a myth, it's just that the Mesoamericans were ultra obsessive clean freaks, and there was a specific anti-bathing trend the Spanish had going on even if they kept clean in other ways)>>220392745>>220392967Aztec women, at least the married ones, tended to have their hair tied into various knots and buns, see pic. Having the hair down was considered a youthful trait>>220391732Cannibalism was per most sources, limited to specific ceremonies and rituals, it was not a general dietary practice. Off the top of my head, the two ceremonies I know of that involved cannibalism were one of the rites that was part of Tlacaxipehualiztli, where captured enemy soldiers who were sacrificed had some of their meat given to the family of their captor, and their captor (or everybody but the captor, it varies based on the source) ate the meat in a stew in a feast, and then another ceremony that was a part of Panquetzaliztli which involved so called "bathed slaves" being sacrificed and then eaten during feasts planned by merchants, though the Florentine Codex's description of this is really long and I haven't read it in full yet, so I'm not totally confident that the majority of the guests and people eating would be merchants.So AFAIK it was not just done by nobles, but it was limited to specific rituals and contexts and who could do it in those ceremonies was also particular/selective (EX: only the captor, or everybody but the captor etc)>>220392044Sorry anon, as consolation, I'll post girls with the remainder of my posts in the thread unless I need the image for something else8/?
I like enchiladas
>>220394212For me, it's tamales
>>220390372>they weren't caked in makeupYour own pic just proved at least one point wrong.
>>220393518She won't give you the choice.>>220394186Why are their eyes big, round and European?
>>220373375>Though I admit that calling Teotihuacan or the Toltecs "Aztecs" is a stretch.well as long as you admit itnice breakdown anon
>>220375542Why would there be snow in south america?
>>220390372WOULDOULD
>>220366437>coomerspicrel is a more historically accurate Chel
>>220395314no bueno...the best latinxs have a lot of european dna
>>220395314Let's see her hips
>>220395314She's clearly not mesoamerican you retard
>>220391701>>>/x/ is that way
>>220394186Cont:>>220385417In my experience the average person absolutely thinks that Prehispanic civilizations were just particularly big tribes that built a few pyramids and lived in huts around them while sacrificing each other all the time, pretty much just like what Apocalypto shows, to tie things into what we're all talking about. For example, this x.com/maxescu/status/2051700990366060763 AI slop video showing a modernized Tenochtitlan got a ton of attention a few days ago apparently, in large part because people replied to and quote retweeted it insisting that the Aztec could never have a society with orderly crowds, build actual infrastructure or or run a functioning city. People legitimately do just think that they were basically cavemen who murdered each other all day>Its just that they were genuinely bloodthirstyTo me, "bloodthirsty" implies that it was done for the thrill of it, which wasn't how sacrifice, it was a religious rite, not bloodsports (generally, some sacrificial ceremonies did have gladiatorial elements), though obviously that doesn't mean it was never leveraged for political interests. The scale at which sacrifice occurred at also isn't nearly as big as most people think. Even the Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, who almost certainly did the most of it, "only" sacrificed 100s to 1000s of people a year most likely, which obviously is still a lot, but it's a far cry from the 10,000s and 100,000s people like to say they did, and it's not necessarily a huge amount compared to other historical mass killings and religious conflicts, like the Thirty Years War or the Cathar PurgeAlso keep in mind the Aztec and Maya were not the only Mesoamerican civilizations, and the Inca were not the only Andean civilization, and both regions had very little to do with one another. What you said is like saying "Most people know the French, Italians, and Japanese had complex societies", when ignoring the rest of Europe and East Asia9/?
>>220392617*tips hat*Good morning fellow White
>>220372961You are part eggplant
>>220395860>To me, "bloodthirsty" implies that it was done for the thrill of it, which wasn't how sacrifice, it was a religious rite, not bloodsportsAbout time somebody said this. This is similar to abortion today, where the opposition side thinks it's murder, but it's just a religious sacrifice ritual. Nothing wrong with it. People look at it through a tainted lens.
>>220395860Cont>>220391671>>220391643>>220391626I mean, I certainly wish more of their books, art, architecture and other cultural elements etc survived and stuck around to continue to influence the world over time, at least>500 menCortes's expedition launched with around 500 Conquistadors, yes, but he got multiple waves of reinforcements and additional forces over the course of the expedition, as seen in pic related: There would have been 2000-3000 conquistadors across the course of the whole expedition, and I think this is excluding porters, slaves, cooks etc tooPlus, as I am sure you know, Cortes and his expedition were heavily reliant on the impact of smallpox breaking out and alliances with local Mesoamerican states (tho these occured more from states opportunistically using Cortes to gain or retain political status, rather then resentment towards Aztec rule, see desuarchive.org/int/thread/221180702/#221191125), to the point where the Conquistadors might have been less .5% (half of a percent, not 5%) of their own side in the conflictFurthermore, the Cortes expedition was just the start of the colonization of Mesoamerica: It took another few decades, in some places multiple centuries, of subsequent expeditions and campaigns (all of which continued to rely on allied and subject Mesoamerican armies and the instability caused by diseases) for the region to get conquered>>220392171>>220392183I'm not sure what translation of Diaz's account you are reading, but in the versions I've read, he describes the Tlaxcalteca armies as being formidable, with the Conquistadors and the Tlaxcalteca really unable to make each other budge, and in fact the Spanish almost giving up hope and fearing they would get worn down and defeated, right before they managed to get a really good victory at which point Xicotencatl II stops trying to take them out and is willing to entertain the alliance10/?
>>220395903Cont:>>220391935I mean, my interest is Mesoamerica, not the Spanish, so naturally i'm not going to talk about Cortes muchMy read on Cortes is that he was great at thinking on his feet and making the most of, and weaseling his way out of bad situations and leveraging diplomacy, and that he did a reasonably good job trying to navigate Mesoamerican politics and to play divide-and-conquer. But he was still obviously in a foreign region with little intel so he naturally still didn't comprehend all of the political dynamics and interests that were going on around him, so he still found himself being used and manipulated by local kings at multiple points. That's not me trying to dunk on him, anybody in his situation would be out of their depth, if anything it's to his credit that as much as he was being used, he was still also using them at the same time back. It also probably says something both against him and to his credit that all his earlier and later expeditions were failures unlike his 1519 one, yet unlike many of the men on those expeditions, he survived them all and continued to somehow continue to get charters to do more of them. So, he was a great opportunist, and continued to live another day or to get more chances to try again, and I do think that many other people, if put in his position, would have failed in the 1519 expedition, as he nearly did many times: He got lucky, but not everyone would have been able to seize that luck. He's just not a superhuman genius military commander (as evidenced by his other failures) or a genius manipulator mastermind who singlehandedly organized the entire set of alliances he benefited from, since Ixtlilxochitl II, Xicotencatl II, Xicomecoatl etc were at times playing him as much as he was playing them, and they too at times were spearheading and plannning assaults, retreats etc with Cortes being forced to play along, and often he was relying on them for supplies, lodging, intel, etc11/?
>>220386858I'm a testtubebaby
