Which bit of /tv/ revisionism is worse?People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?OrPeople claiming The Force Awakens was hated upon release when it clearly wasn't?
Is this because disney erased the sequels
>>220376486TPM was loved by the mainstream because it was a cultural moment. It had many detractors but there was so much hype frenzy that many of the sins were forgiven by the younger GenXers. Kid millennials loved it for the most part. TFA wasn’t explicitly hated but it was met with a fucking tonne of ambivalence. Average Millenials were stumped/annoyed that it basically felt like a 1:1 remake of A New Hope but it didn’t inspire much of an emotional response. The following two caused a seethe tidal wave though.
>>220376581>TPM was loved by the mainstream
gen x are a bunch of crybabies
>>220376486Both of those claims are accurate
>>220376706To this day user scores for The Force Awakens are higher than the Phantom Menace.
/gif/ used to have threads filled with young Obi-wan force edits way before webm was ever a thing.
>>220376486For me it’s the revisionism that TLJ was a switch that made people instantly go from loving to hating NuWars.In reality, TFA had a gigantic marketing blitz that undeniably worked, netting them vast amounts of good publicity for the first year, but that honeymoon period faded pretty quickly.Rogue One got a lot more scrutiny, the NuEU was utterly torpedoed from the outset by cuck wendig, rebels was a clear downgrade from TCW and people were walking into TLJ with more objective eyes. There was still enough residual goodwill to give it a massive opening weekend, but not enough to prevent it having the biggest drop in history.
>>220376775>Rogue One got a lot more scrutinyAre you high? Rogue One was universally love. Shit the few detractors of TFA loved Rogue One without question despite it having all the same issues. People still defend Rogue One as the only good Disney Wars movie.
>>220376486Children DID love Phantom Menace when it came out, though. And that is always who Star Wars was for. The Force Awakens was released at a time when children were no longer interested in seeing movies, so yes it was definitely hated since it was largely seen by an audience it was not for.
>>220376706No they aren’t zoomer
>>220376810>Children DID love Phantom Menace when it came out, though. And that is always who Star Wars was for.Okay now this is the worst revison in /tv/ history.
>>220376809Why did rogue one feel soulless
>>220376486For me, it’s the revisionism around Attack of the Clones that’s the most annoying. I knew even as a kid that it was by far the weakest Prequel.
>>220376831Because it was a retarded nostalgia baiting piece of shit with a girlboss but so long as Vader shows up that apparently absolves it.
>>220376775>the NuEU was utterly torpedoed from the outset by cuck wendigLMFAO, I remember that asshole! He's a terrible writer, but he was mostly remembered for his florid twitter rantings. Whatever happened to that crazy cunt?
>>220376486I personally thought TPM was ok at the time, not amazing but not bad either. The general public did make a big deal out of it because it was the first SW movie in 30 years but the accepted view at the time was that the prequels were inferior to the OT. I believe this is still the case but thanks to Disney Wars people have chosen to slightly correct their assessment. The prequels are still considered inferior to the OT, some even call them bad, but they recognize that they are still Star Wars and add value to the plot. Disney wars is fundamentally different because it adds nothing. It just shallowly uses established elements for recognition value in order to bait audiences into accepting something that is not Star Wars as Star Wars. Many people fell for it initially but grew disenchanted because the new thing was just legitimately bad independently from the relationship (or lack of) with SW. This has allowed them to see a truth they may have not seen if the movies ended up being good. I don´t think it´s revisionism though. It´s been just 10 years. Some people are just that slow.
>>220376809No it wasn’t.The hallway scene went viral, but a lot of people critiqued the cast of utterly forgettable characters and how it made the start of ANH make no sense.The trailer also got so much flak that it forced reshoots.
>>220376486I loved it. It was everything I hoped it would be.
It's not flawless but TPM brought a lot of good stuff to the table that people still remember fondly. Podracing, great lightsaber battles, top notch costume and ship design. TFA has none of that, there's nothing in it that people will talk about positively in 20 years. Remember Rey's speeder that's just a brick with a seat attached? Remember.....?
>>220377279Most the shit people liked about TFA were ruined by its sequels.People were raving about>Oh cool who are Rey's Parents!?>Oh wow what caused Luke to leave the Galaxy?>Wow the Knights of Ren are cool I wonder what they did to destroy the Jedi>Man Phasma seems cool!And yes people even liked the new shit introduced like BB-8 and TR-8R.The funny thing is Like ROTJ the Force Awakens is viewed entirely in context of its trilogy because no one can seem to criticize either film in a vacuum.
>>220377118>I personally thought TPM was ok at the time >it was the first SW movie in 30 yearsYou're a zoomer larping as millennial or gen x. No one alive and self-aware during this time would mistake 1983 - 1999 as "30 years".
Why exactly did people not like The Phantom's Menace? It was visceral kino
>>220377279Podracing was boring filler and is remembered for being a meme punchline.
>>220377815Shut the fuck up, everyone knows Jar Jar was hated, the actor almost committed suicide from the hate.
>>220376581I hated TFA and was baffled by the positive reception. I didn’t even care if it was a New Hope remake, the fact that it basically made the entire OT meaningless, and that this time the Death Star is super duper bad and 1000x bigger (despite all the lore shit going into the first ones construction). I hate powercreep.
>>220376581I don't think any of Gen X liked it. Even the very youngest were like 18 at that point and had all seen the original movies in the original cuts a few times on VHS. Too old and too set on the tone of the OT to buy into a movie for very young kids.
>>2203779741. The prequels did the same thing with character assassination and ruing Character motives2. ROTJ did the bigger, stronger, badder death star first in just the second sequel. Fuck the Phantom Menace did it too with the Trade Federation's "not death star"
>>220378029Yeah but this was more egregious.
>>220376486I remember walking out of the theater in 1999 after seeing the Phantom Menace and this guy walking out with us screamed "THAT FUCKING SUCKED" and some of the people walking out cheered him lol.
>>220378046I mean Vader being turned into a whiny pansy that killed kids to save someone he had no chemistry is over the top. Honestly Vader had worse character Assassination than Luke.
>>220377974If they'd kept it as light and mythic as the OT it would have worked fine as a one and done nostalgic revival, with just a few smart novel elements like Finn being an ex-Imperial. But instead TLJ shit itself by trying to be subversive and to create a future for Disneywars beyond nostalgia it sucked and retroactively made TFA suck.
>>220378057I remember the same for Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull
>>220376486why would anyone hate a complete copy of a new hope
>>220377974Honestly if they just got rid of the starkiller base the movie would probably still be loved and considered the best of the sequels. It's not like the base is even imperative to the plot.
>>220378092Nah that’s fine. The PT reads as a homage to Shaw Brothers movies. I didn’t even watch any of the movies after TFA do idk about Luke
>>220378643>Current Year + 11>still ignorant of the "soul" vs "soulless" paradigm
>>220378716>counting 2026 as current year +11 instead of +14>ishygddt
>>220376861It’s funny that despite all of the prequel revisionism AOTC has still not and probably will never get a rerelease like TPM and ROTS.
>>220378787What are you talking about? Current Year is 2015.Plus, you biffed big time by not posting Costanza himself on an imageboard.
>>220378835>imageboardIt's a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>220376486I feel like they were received in pretty much the same way. In both cases fans were incredibly hyped, the movie turned out to be disappointing and fans coped with excuses "w-well they're just starting a new saga after a really long time, they need to find their footing, this movie totally sets up a solid groundwork for the next one to be awesome".
>>220378899Yep
>>220376486Plenty of TFA haters concede liking TFA on first viewing. It’s extremely well paced and hits all the beats as a Star Wars fan
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?the ppl who seethed about it were the minority. far outnumbered by those who enjoyed it. this has always been the case with the prequels. internet echo chambers may very well give one the opposite and wrong impression.
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?the average normie loved it and pretty much all kids didthe forum posters hated it along with your typical contrarian film critics
>>220378955You’re delusional. My relatives kept the prequels hidden from me like it was porn and introduced me to the OT only.
>>220378955How the fuck do you retards say this when there is plenty of evidence proving you otherwise? The only prequel that was not reviled upon release was Revenge of the Sith but you fags seem to think that same reaction was shared with all the other films. That or you retards are confusing marketing hype for positive reception.
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?Loads of critics and old school nerds praised it immediately after it came out, it took a while for the sentiment to turn overwhelmingly negative.t. actually alive back then
>>220376486THM was loved upon release is not a revisionist.
>>220379144It is.Born in 1986. Everyone fucking hated it. Saw it in theatres.
Sure there is plenty of evidence that a lot of ppl didn't care for the prequels much, or hated them outright. I'm simply saying those who either liked them, or thought they were OK, outnumbered the ones who did not. There were plenty of OT fans who liked em just fine, then you had legions of kids who loved it, and no shortage of normies who weren't obsessed with the franchise, who enjoyed it, and came back to the theater for the next one because it was a good time. Back when we had good movies at the theater, and it was the thing to do. Anyway, I find it bizarre that ppl react so strongly to this. Time and time again, they sperg out with insults and trash-talk. It doesn't warrant this kind of reaction. It's as if I'm speaking heresy to these weirdos. Yes, you are weird for sperging out so strongly over this matter.
>>220376486both sucked
>>220377969The hate in question was all coming from reviewers and the media who couldn't stand him, most fans were like "eh he's kind of fucking annoying" at most.
..the force awakens? What's that one?
>>220377929Now THIS is shitposting.
>>220379229Forgot to add, it clearly demonstrates some kind of extreme insecurity over it. A lot of them seem to be RLM adherents, or at least, they really took the Stoklasa videos to heart as an authority on the matter for all-time. Even after people have scrutnized those reviews, and pointed how faulty, bullshitty, and even how outright dishonest those reviews were. They're insecure even over this. The Stoklasa prequel reviews haven't endured. They've continued to weaken as time goes forward, especially as so much of its charm was due to edgy humor, and not so much as an actual legitimate critique.
>>220379284Honestly none of the sequel titles make sense when you think about it.>The Force AwakensThe force never went away, Luke's had an entire Jedi academy and Kylo's still using it. Leia's also a Jedi too according to the last movie.>The Last JediLuke and Leia are both still around and the movie tries to imply Rey and Kylo are both Jedi deep down>The Rise of SkywalkerAll the Skywalkers are already dead by this point.
>>220376632>Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times gave it three-and-a-half stars out of four and called it "an astonishing achievement in imaginative filmmaking" >In a front-page review, the Los Angeles Daily News gave it 3½ stars calling it "pretty good" overall and "outstanding in many parts">Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly gave the film a "B" grade and complimented Liam Neeson's performance and the action scenes.[218]>ReelViews' James Berardinelli wrote, "Looking at the big picture, in spite of all its flaws, The Phantom Menace is still among the best 'bang for a buck' fun that can be had in a movie theater," and said the film was a "distinct improvement" over Return of the Jedi.>Andrew Johnston of Time Out New York wrote, "Let's face it: no film could ever match the expectations some have for Episode I – The Phantom Menace. Which isn't to say it's a disappointment: on the contrary, it's awesomely entertaining, provided you accept it on its own terms>Susan Wloszczyna of USA Today said that the film does "plenty right" and praised the characters Darth Maul and Watto>David Cornelius of efilmcritic.com said that the film's better moments "don't merely balance out the weaker ones—they topple them".>Colin Kennedy of Empire magazine said that despite problems with pacing and writing, "there is still much pleasure to be had watching our full-blown Jedi guides in action". He praised the visuals and Liam Neeson's performance and said that the duel between Darth Maul and the Jedi is "the saga's very best lightsaber battle".
>>220376810>The Force Awakens was released at a time when children were no longer interested in seeing movies, so yes it was definitely hated since it was largely seen by an audience it was not for.the force awakens was not for kids, it was for middle-aged people, which is why there will be no "critical reevaluation" of it as with the prequels.
>>220376727>To this day user scores for The Force Awakens are higher than the Phantom Menace.Couldn't that simply be that the age of the average review website user skews younger, so they're more likely to give higher ratings to recent movies that came out during their adult lives, rather than older movies that came out before their era?
>>220379549It's because RT at the moment consists of thousands of paid shill bloggers who don't "review" anything but modern slop in the first place.
>>220379464Last Jedi will
>>220379658It's not just RT.Meta critic and IMDB's user scores reflect the same sentiment.
>>220379424>Susan Wloszczyna praises WattoTop kek
>>220376581I was a kid millennial and the phantom menace literally put me to sleep. I'm not someone who naps. It was that boring.
>>220379424>Had to cherrypick reviews>Even the cherrypickef reviews have to admit the film is heavily flawed and only worth seeing for the special effectsTopkek
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?Don't know what the fuck you are talking about. 12yo me absolutely loved Phantom Menace.
>>220376486why are her rags so dirty, does she wrap her arms like that every day? did she not think of stitching the rags together into sleeves?phantom menace was a massive hit, with some parts criticised but on the whole popular, especially among children who were the intended audience.compare that with the lacklustre reception of the disney forgeries
>>220378852I bet that was funnier in your head
>>220376486The Phantom Menace, The Force Awakens, and Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull all had the same phenomenon, where people REALLY wanted to like it, so they convinced themselves it was good, then later finally admitted it was garbage.
>>220380229>does she wrap her armsshe wraps her arms like that because Luke had ww1 style puttees on his lower legs. one of their goals was to assassinate Luke's character, and everybody else for that matter, but they needed the decorative veneer to hoodwink hopeful fans. the whole Disney trilogy is a decorative veneer for horrible things.
>>220376486It was loved up until the point it was released, that's what people are confused aboutThe marketing and hype for ep 1 permeated every level of culture, everybody wanted to see that shit, up until it actually came out and word got around
>>220377969Jar Jar hate is similar to nickelback hate. Basically a meme in the original sense.
>>220380476Jar Jar actually sucks though. Hating Nickelback is more like hating Hayden Christensen.
>>220376486They were both hated, shitty baitget back to your gutter, street shitter
>>220376809rogue one had jackie chan doing force kung fu, it was a shit story people thought was going to be the bothan plot from the original trilogy with a decent space battle tacked on using the aesthetic space ships from the original trilogy, they knew it was kinda crap so that's why the put darth vader at the end
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>>220380476space jamacians was lazy and racist
>>220380676there's only one cool thing from the prequels in that image, the jedi fighter
>>220379424this the best you can do? lmfao
the special effects of the prequels did not age well
>>220376486The truth is both were liked by general audiences(thats why people went to see them) and hated by a vocal minority of people, especially online personalities like RLM and now Critical Drinker, but only the prequels are proving to have any lasting popularity between the two.
>>220380825Then why did Attack of the Clones the biggest box office drop off of any star wars film?
>>220380676This is what the prequels had that the sequels don’t. A lot of the designs and the settings are goofy, impractical, or too derivative (space diner with 1950s Italian chef and robo-waitress) but they were memorable and now are nostalgia-bait with the passage of time. The sequels were just “‘member this? What if dark and moody” over and over again and the original ideas that they did have (casino, light saber fights in snow, reformed storm trooper) were half-cocked or writers room focused to death for payoffs that nobody cared about because the trilogy was an incoherent and unthoughtout mess.
>>220380859Why did still more than half the amount of people who went to see TPM still go to see AOTC?
>>220380810They look better than most blockbusters made now
>>220376486the answer is>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?Everyone upon release could see that this shit was not right--there was just some cool pod racing and light saber dueling and hints of sith lords mysteries that made us think we just had to be patient and see where things were going. There was some hope but there was doubt. TPM was NOT loved, Force Awakens WAS hated. Harrison Ford getting killed off cause you know he doesnt want to be in that shit, the confusingly conflicted storm trooper character that made no sense, the untrained Rey doing too much, terrible world building and lore. She's like Luke but its a different sand planet except without any sense of character or location or life, her origin in both location and story felt empty. Oscar Isaac was fine but he too was clearly just playing some nu-Han Solo that didnt quite make sense. It was just all bad. Antoher Death Star but bigger! The Empire is the Empire again except we'll call it the First Order! Like TPM, Force Awakes had hope but there was mostly doubt, mostly hated.
>>220376486Toys sales speak for themselves, zoomigger. Nobody liked your dogshit sequels, while the prequels led to peak sales for the franchise that will never be topped.
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?>clearly wasn'tLet me guess - your source is RLM video of a few cherry picked reviews from random retards on the streets? Let me tell you some funny facts - so many people hated ESB when it came out that Lucas and Studio had to make RotJ as child friendly as possible and even brought in fucking teddy bears people.
>>220378022I think that’s a somewhat fair observation. Same with the oldest Millenials too. But I’ve met plenty of both lovers and haters in both age groups, so I guess it’s not as black and white as I painted it. For reference, I’m 36 and a guy I work with thats 40 still despises Anakin and hates the PT.Looking back it was a blessing to be a kid back then, because I was fortunate enough to have my first exposure being the Special Editions in cinemas in 1997 and immediately get a huge new movie two years later and live through that Star Wars hype as a kid, toys, magazines, books, everyone at school going wild for it. Comfy shit.
>>220380953Every single prequel got standing ovations, in the theaters.
>>220381110ESB won the people's choice award for best film you lying sack of shit.The Phantom Menace was getting made fun of on Children's programing.
>>220380896>Half the people that saw the phantom menace hated it and didn't see the sequel! Isn't that greatUmmmm anon... what are you trying to prove?
>>220378955well yeah that much is always obvious.
The Prequels were obviously hated and a complete commercial flop because myself and other middle-aged losers didn't like them Please watch RLM to see how Lucas was basically bankrupted by the movies
>>220379281Explain the fan edits that were made editing jar jar out of the movie then? That wasn't made by the media or reviewers and speaks to a general hatred from fans towards the character
>>220381838Seething shill, you lostAll your time spamming the board and decade long reddit prequel meme op was for naught
>>220381020The prequels were hated, the closest ne wars cartoon was loved
>>220381774>1 Billion(TPM) to 650 million(AOTC)No, not half, more like 30 to 35%, so the minority. The majority went to see the next movie. And even then more than half the people who didn't see AOTC went to see ROTS.
>>220376486We will never know something that had as big a hype as Star Wars during Phantom Menace again. It was amazing man.
>>220382844too bad it sucked ass
>>220376581>TFA>met with ambivalenceIt had excellent holds and is still the highest grossing movie in the USA ever, like top 5 adjusted for inflation. If people didn't like the movie it wouldn't have made that much money
>>220376810It's weird how the prequelshill will alternate between insisting the prequels are either underappreciated political thrillers or just FOR KIDS depending on which argument is more advantageous for them in the moment
>>220383527TFA's box office wasn't the result of a critical reception. TFA was the return of Star Wars after decades, making it a big cultural phenomenon, but it failed to generate anywhere near the same cultural hype as TPM did. Interest in the entire era of DisneyWars and a complete wipe of its existence are the sequels' legacy.
>>220376486They've both had a mixed reaction, how can it possibly be hard to understand.
>>220383527because the clone wars cartoon rehabed the franchise and people had hope star wars was back and in the hands of people who knew what they were doing only to be greatly disappointed, it didn't make that money from any kind of merit in the actual film, you pilpuling kike
>>220376486Saying people loved the prequels will trick some into watching bad movies.Saying people hated the sequels will have some avoid middling movies.In terms of the greater evil, prequel apologists waste more of others' lives.
>>220383700the prequels generating hype was because it was the first star wars movies since the original trilogy, it's reception was much like the force awakens greeted with mass disappointment
>>220376486https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-1999
>>220383757Retard lmao
>>220376775TFA is bad but it could've been easily ignored. TLJ is the worst one. There was really nothing they could do and they also just ran out of time. Fisher died, Ford was way too old, Hamill was the only one that actually wanted to be there and they killed him so after that they had an 85 year old man in a fur costume.
>>220383815hating TLJ is the mark of a soulless brand consoomer who doesn't like Star Wars as cinema they just like consuming ancillary material and buying toys90% of TLJ criticism boils down to "Luke Skywalker was sad and that hurt my feelings" and "that doesn't align with my wookieepedia headcanon understanding of the UNIVERSE"
>>220376486Kids like me liked the prequels.It was only retarded Gen X like Red Letter Media and South Park upset over them and forcing other people to hate them.
I never understood why anyone liked the force awakens besides it being "it's star wars!". It was boring as fuck
>>220376486You fell for RedLetterMedia propaganda
>>220383851Now THIS is shitposting.
>>220376809It caught some shit for CG Tarkin and the unnecessary Evazan and Pondo Baba memberberries.
>>220383886>>220383851reddit spacing and gay generational larpwhy do you shills out yourselves so easily
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>>220376486first is worse. elementary school children were able to understand how brutally retarded those movies were. the pod racing game was 100x more popular.
>>220384168nothing from the prequels were popular, redditor
>>220384258>nothing from the prequels were popular, redditor
>>220384258>zoomer knows nothing about the deluge of popular Lucasfilm games in the 2000sHow many games have been made during the actual Sequel era (and not the period between RotJ and TFA)?
Prequels scare boomers and Gen Xers. because they exemplify the real thing. Jedi were very overpowered in the prequels and the space battles were better and the overall quality and effects were top notch. they know they cannot hate on these films for this reason because when you open that conversation up, then you have a chance to dissect the original trilogies special effects.new thing good and strong, old thing getting older and older. just like them.
>>220384113King Arthur was murdered by his incest son and Beowulf gets old and fat and then dies fighting the dragon, his death signifying the extinction of the Geats. If anything, Luke Skywalker getting old and dying is entirely on brand, because Rian Johnson has actually read the myths star wars is based on whereas your sole engagement with Star Wars is that you want to larp as the biggest toughest kid on the playground, then cry that anything that doesn't validate your fantasy is Jewish subversion
>>220384286>>220384346you really think you're cooking by trying to frame these retarded arguments around the generations, you're not
naboo was a cool world.
>>220384411kike pilpul
>>220384831ya, i really loved the jamaican frogs, didn't take me completely out of the movie at all
>>220384807force is not with you on this one, chief.
>>220384831no it was temperate
>>220384975the sequels being shit doesn't make the prequels goodthe original trilogy was loved by all generations, trying to frame arguments with generational /pol/ demoralization ops is antithetical to the franchise and ip in general
>>220385358yeah no yeah no yeah no yeah no yeah nothere is nothing you can say that will change my opinion. get buried with your VHS copies for all i care boomtard.
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>>220381020Prequel merchandise sales were mostly collectors and scalpers. Shit would sell out, more would be produced, and it kept going until sales slowed down. The darth maul figures alone sold more than any other toy in history, and most of them are either sitting unopened in a warehouse or in landfills now.
>>220382595Go compare that to Star Wars and empire strikes back real quick. Remember to adjust for inflation.
>>220383527TFA isn’t even in the top 20 adjusted for inflation what are you babbling about.
>>220385719This.1999 action figures still don't sell well on the after market while power of the force figures do.
>>220385775It's #11. So I was wrong, but by six numbers, apologies, still the highest grossing sw movie besides the original
>>220385612>he cried pissed and shit himself when luke blew up the death star.I AM a Star Wars fan, but you and I know there are levels to this. This is (You) BTW
>>220384807you said *nothing* from the prequels was popular.I countered that the video games from this era were popular.you replied in zoomer-fashion without a further argument.I accept your defeat.
>>220385930if you were confident, you would have mentioned the games, you would be styling on me by posting screen captions of them, you're just grasping at straws, like you've been doing for the past couple days
>>220385855I seriously doubt you like Star WarsYou're a parasite that feeds off the culture war around it or an actual autist contrarian
>>220385824Adjusted for inflation, and domestic only, both empire and return of the Jedi are above tfa. And avatar. Not sure why they’re excluded. Oh it’s ordered by “estimated tickets sold.” What a crock of shit.
>>220386181thats cringe, i literally watched A New Hope yesterday. but only because we were talking about what is the best way to enjoy the older films, which is the 2011 blu ray, which i own and it so much better. go back to disney plus and watch your darken 4k copy that i think is inferior.its literally the best way to enjoy the old star wars films. but im sure you will antagonistically disagree because you just dont like new things, you boomer fuck.
>>220376486Some people didn't like TFA when it came out, but it was never reviled. Even today, people don't care about it enough to go back and realize just how little there is to that film now that we know nothing in it meant anything.
>>220386228I don't believe you because these threads are split into two camps of retards, prequels and sequel shitters, you bringing up the original trilogy is susYou're just here to throw shit on the wall and see what sticks, you're the lowest form of life on this website
>>220377974I remember being shocked that they just redid the empire but with a new name and actually did that shit with the death star 3.0 (I don't even remember what it was called in TFA). I couldn't believe that actually got past committee and they made a whole ass film based on it. It's still kind of unbelievable.
>>220383851Funny how literally nobody who professes to like TLJ can go five posts defending it without deflecting onto the OT or PT.It’s literally impossible. At some point before that some retarded aspect will back the larper into a corner, whereupon they will be forced to try some variant of>well X did it too and you were fine with it then?! Confirming that even the persona they adopt thinks that the film they claim to enjoy is fucking stupid, but gives it a pass for unspecified reasons.
>>220386262It was so reviled Disney spun up an entire media industry and meme catch phrase "and that's a good thing" to pushback against people reviling it
>>220386348Is it in the room with you right now?
>>220385975Why do I need to post screen captions? The evidence is so overwhelming that it's laughable to pretend you still have an argument. Just admit you're "merely pretending" to be retarded and want recommendations, I gotchua senpai:Episode I (4):>Phantom Menace>Jedi Power Battles>Battle for Naboo>Obi-WanEpisode II (3):>Clone Wars>Attack of the Clones>New Droid ArmyEpisode III (1):>Revenge of the SithPrequel-era, but not tied to films and/or a specific game series (8):>Racer>Racer Revenge>Starfighter>Jedi Starfighter>Battlefront II>Super Bombad Racing>Bounty Hunter>Republic CommandoAnd these are just the ones linked to the prequel era, in case someone is tempted to stupidly argue "well, it's Star Wars, it's popular no-matter what, this isn't indicative of the popularity of the Prequel films". There are still 11 other Star Wars games released during this time set in the Old Republic or OT era.
>>220386378here ya go1 of 2
>>220386310Hey it worked for prequel fags who just deflect anytime some shits on those movies. For fuck sake some retard constantly argues that Qui-gon using the Mind trick on Watto was not attempted theft.
>>2203863782 of 2
>>220386378BTFO and that's a good thing>>220386431>>220386453
>>220386431>>220386453None of these mention the force awakens.
>>220386301yep, just waiting for you to roll over so this world can be mine.
>>220386403Well it's important to post screen captions, so we can see what was cool about the game, you know how people do when they like somethingI was gaming at this time and no one gave one a shit about Star Wars games during that era, they were all playing stuff that was popular like, WarCraft, StarCraft, Diablo 2, World of WarCraft etc etcJust because these games existed doesn't mean much, especially if they're on a console and not a PC, you can't make shovelware good
>>220386431>>220386453Bruh “and that’s a good thing” was just standard clickbaiting at the time. It wasn’t invented by Disney
>>220376486TFA should have been hated upon release though. In actuality, the fact that it wasn't hated when it came out just proves how disliked the prequels STILL were at that time.
>>220386499this is the aftermath of what the force awakens left in it's wake for being so reviled and this is disney doing the worst damage control possible and that's a good thing
>>220386524Like tpm, it got a soft pass on the basis of the sequel. The sequel was tlj.
>>220386536You’re getting very close to claiming Disney invented clickbait.
>>220386515>so we can see what was cool about the gameYeah, because I'm going to post captions from 16 fucking games.>I was gaming at this time and no one gave one a shit about Star Wars gamesYou didn't have friends or interact with online discussions. I remember actually reading about KotOR in magazines. The Clone Wars game took forever to rent because it was in high demand at Blockbuster.>Just because these games existed doesn't mean much...shovelwareCope. LucasArts was cranking out plenty of solid games at this time because Star Wars popularity was peak. You lost. Don't reply to me or my wife's son ever again.
>>220386563>You're getting very close to claiming something super generalized, that you didn't, because I said so, to avoid facing the fact that I was wrong
>>220386585>the games were super popular! No I didn’t buy them I just had to wait super long to rent them!
>>220386605Yes, you are. Because “[bad thing] and that’s a good thing” was in no way limited to or invented because of fucking star wars.
>>220386499The first one does in the bottom right hand corner"Why Star Wars: The Force Awakens Not Screening for Critics Might Be a Good Thing"There's also another one on the bottom saying "Kill Your Parents - Why It's Good That George Lucas Was Kept Away From The New Star Wars FlimsThat's definitely in reference to the first film
>>220386545Look, TLJ is a shitty movie, there's no denying that, but I'm also tired of people acting as if THAT'S where everything went wrong. TFA was dogshit. Not just in retrospect or with hindsight but just looking at it in isolation. The story was basically nonexistant, the characters were terrible, it was a blatant ripoff of its own source material, and even the legacy characters were done dirty.
>>220386536So where are the defensive Rogue One articles? Why are all these articles published after The Last Jedi premiered?
>>220386613I bought and rented different ones, retard. How does what you said contradict the obvious truth that Star Wars games were popular 1999-2005?
>>220386648Yes, “THE FIRST ORDER REIGNS” is the exact point everything went wrong. See I could get behind the republic thinking leia is crazy for giving a shit about the first order, which before the tlj title crawl had only a small child army, a riced out star destroyer, and a big gun one-shot gun stuffed in a hollowed out ice planetoid.
>>220386670There's plenty of Rogue One articles in there, can you not read"Star Wars: Rogue One Is Not Getting a Sequel and That Is a Good Thing"Rogue One is a different kind of Star Wars movie, and that's a good thingThere's twoThere's two on the second line down from the top and more below that, on this post 1 of 2 >>220386431
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>>220386626>Disney spun up the media with a catchphrase>>uh...no they didn't!>over 50 fucking examples of them doing so>>b-b-but they didn't "invent" itOnly you claimed they *invented* that phrase, no one said that What's your next cope going to be? A bitchboy semantic argument? Angrily posting the box office for the movies as some kind of "gotcha"? lmaaoooooo
>>220377969damn looking at that pic takes me back to June 1999
>>2203864991 of 2 has an article titled The Force Awakens is fan fiction and that's a good thingLeft side third from the top
>>220386730Oh wow the 2 that aren't defensive
>>220376486Mike “A Case of the NOT GAYS” Stoklasa ruined Star Wars.Why people listened to this faggot communist is beyond me.
>>220376486My 10 year old self and all my friends LOVED TPM. Tv fags are embarrassing and out of touch with reality. Shit was a cultural phenomenon and all of the prequels did great in theaters bc of it
>>220386752>nooo the clickbait means something it does why do you think this?
>>220386783The claim was Disney was pushing “[bad thing] and that’s a good thing” for damage control for tfa. To “prove” this (you) posted screen caps of headlines related to Star Wars at all that ended with “and that’s a good thing.”You’re either delusional or just retarded
>>220386863All four of them are defensive and published before 2017, are you illiterate
>>220386946You got blown out, take the L
>>220386896>>220386946>No, it's all just a random coincidence, or clickbait, or you're a schizo, or delusionalI'm not sure why you're in such a state of feverish denial and scattershot accusation, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Is it a contrarian need for (You)s, or is your emotional state really tethered to the Mouse?
>>220386972You're stretching to make you narrative hold any water
>>220387028Yes, it’s a coincidence that Disney marketing used an extremely popular clickbait headline at the time.
>>220387034You're trying to save face on an anonymous imageboard, against irrefutable proofAnd you keep desperately lying to do soI take no joy in being part of your delusion, this is just sad and pathetic
>>220376486I loved Phantom Menace when I was a kid. Adult opinions didn't matter. It was awesome. One of my favorite theater experiences of all time.
>>220387105>>220387034Say "Disney sucks". Say "Disney sucks" right now.
>>220387193Not them, but Disney sucks. Inject Lucas with drugs and make him write new Star Wars.
>>220387171>I loved Phantom Menace when I was a kid. Adult opinions didn't matter. It was awesome. One of my favorite theater experiences of all time.
>>220387236Nice to see you and your brother met Trump.
>>220378029>Fuck the Phantom Menace did it too with the Trade Federation's "not death star"That was a rhyme, an actual homage. It didn't break the setting, unlike every single thing in nuwars. >Star devouring planet that blows up star systems>Hyperspace kamikaze >Every ship is now a death star>Mandalorian armor makes the wearer immune to all threats
>>220387229>Not themWe don't care if you say it, moron. The point is to discover if this is a legitimate Mouseshill.
>>220387193Disney sucks the Talmud is bullshit and you’re proving mental illness and mental retardation are causally linked.
>>220387252I wonder if your last 3 digits are greater than the combined IQ in the photo.
I don't care. TPM was still kino renting on VHS. I miss the 90s/00s era of movies. Everything since the recession has become comically bad unreal engine shit, gosling shit, blatant baitshit, documentaryshit. God forbid we get a colorful fun kino in the kinoplex. I just get depressed going near movie theaters these days.
>>220387369you just miss being that age.
>>220386348It was reviled after TLJ came out you fucking idiot
>>220386348For one, you are claiming that Disney is behind the proliferation of “[bad thing] and that’s a good thing.” This is provably false as it was already a meme about clickbait when tfa came out.Secondly, Disney was not damage controlling TFA. Disney thought they had cracked the sci-fi code and it was off to the money printers forever. The damage control didn’t start rogue one and tlj underperformed.And in closing, if you want to say Disney marketing forced a concept into the public sphere to damage control the steadily declining box office grosses of their Star Wars movie, you don’t claim they forced what was already a maymay, you talk about “franchise fatigue.” This utter nonsense they cooked up to claim they didn’t make bad movies, they made too many good movies too quickly!
>>220387615Disney has been furiously damage controlling since they decided to put John Boyega's big zoomed in nig lips front and center on the trailer as a jump scare broadcasted to screens worldwide, which caused one of the biggest board reactions this website has ever seen
>>220388025You’re conflating damage control and marketing.
>>220387572It was reviled as soon as it came out and even before that since there had been leaks dating as far back as two years, no one liked it being a worse version of a new hope or that they killed off han to make ford happy
>>220376486wow, you're a special kind of mad. prequels were perfect, tranny.
>>220388507you have a problem with reading comprehension
>>220376486It's the same people claiming both things....PREQUELFAGS.They are the cancer at the heart of Star Wars fandom.
>>220388561/thread
>>220379144Bruh, I was there. People were walking out of the theatres before the credits even rolled in a lot of cases, and nobody was going to wear that shit for Halloween the way that everybody did with the plastic lightsabers and vader masks from the OT. It was a trash fire, we just look back on it with fondness because our original reaction was ignorant of how much further down we had to go. Everything looks better with hindsight.
>>220386348Really pissed the mouse shills off with this one, got their esl chatgpt shitskin in overdrive
>>220388561This is the answer. Why the fuck did it take 200 replies to say something so obvious is a better question.
>>220388690Well, because we're not allowed to excommunicate people to die in the wilderness when their opinions and ideals are objectively wrong anymore, we just have to live with retarded people and hope that they don't destroy society with their brain rot.
>>220388714Shut the fuck up prequeltrash.
>>220388561>>220388690>>220388714But the force awakens was hated upon it's release
>>220376486>Which bit of /tv/ revisionism is worse?>>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?>>Or>>People claiming The Force Awakens was hated upon release when it clearly wasn't?the people pretending immediate reactions matter at all
>>220376486>People claiming that the Phantom Menace was loved upon release when it clearly wasn't?Obviously it's prequel fans who claim this. Their agenda is to make the prequels appear popular when they never were.>People claiming The Force Awakens was hated upon release when it clearly wasn't?Obviously it's prequel fans who claim this. They have an agenda to make the sequels appear hated so the prequels look better by comparison.In summary, prequel fans are to blame for absolutely everything. That might sound like a joke but it genuinely isn't. They have poisoned Star Wars discourse with their repugnant autism and disgusting lies. They chase away potential Star Wars fans with their hateful behavior. I find them thoroughly sickening as should any decent human being. Not even memeing. Fuck you, prequel fans.
the people who have driven away star wars fans
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>>220388953Is it strange I can tell EXACTLY what kind of person she is, and what she's attemtping to say, without needing to read a single word? The length of the response says it all.
>>220376486>The Force Awakens was hated upon releasei hated it and people were clearly in shock by how awful it was, but they had belief that the second film would be good with luke returning. that never happened so retroactively people correctly realized tfa was also shit and only built on false promises
>>220388517I gave it a soft pass. The idea of redoing a new hope and then sequel being about rebuilding was what I took away from TFA. Instead, “THE FIRST ORDER REIGNS,” despite being nothing but one riced out star destroyer, a child army, and a one shot weapon stuffed in a bored out ice planetoid.
>>220376581>Average Millenials were stumped/annoyed that it basically felt like a 1:1 remake of A New Hope but it didn’t inspire much of an emotional responseI held that opinion but it was by no means the majority. Most people were soifacing over getting another Star Wars and eagerly lapping up Disney's liquid diarrhea
>>220388979trumpian
>>220389048Unironically the earlier drafts of the script weren't as cringe inducing with it just being empire remnants
>>220389106most people were complaining about how rey knew how to do everything from fixing a ship she's never been on to mastering the force and how awful the dialogue was
>>220389203I unironically can't tell if this is an insult, accusation, agreement, suggestion, or low-effort bait.
>>220388767It was not
>>220389355disney bought positive reviews, there's nothing from the force awakens people actually liked, rey sucked, the dialogue sucked, the locations sucked, it was already subverting your expectations by killing off the obi wan character replacement max von sydow in the first thirty seconds etc etcyou mouse shills are relentless with your disinformation and missing context is this really what you like doing with your time defending dicknose's plagiarism and enshitification of his version of a new hope:mary sue edition loldid you really like the stupid alien with the goggles that made her pea sized eyes giganticno one even trusts the rating sites anymore, we went through a whole decade of them lying and manipulating the scores
>>220388517>Muh focus groupsGet a bunch of normies and then you MAKE them give specific things they liked and didn't like. The general consensus among everyone else was them either liking it or they not talking about it because it bored them. There wasn't a massive section of the fanbase that absolutely hated it at the time either, because most skeptical fans just went "well, MAYBE it'll go somewhere." >J.J. Abrams He was getting Disney money, so you could've hoped that they had even the slightest bit of a plan.
bring out the next mouse shill
>>220389510what is this fucking esl reading comprehension greentext headcannon, holy shit is your chatgpt bot broken
TCW and its adjacent shows is all Yidsney has now.
>>220389552LMAO you're such a disingenuous faggot
>>220389708What you wrote made no sense in relation to the comment you replied to
Everyone knew TFA was bad too but there was a group of people saying it's okay that it's bad because it "has to set up a new series, the next movie will have the payoff". If you were actually here when TFA came out you'd know there were tons of people mocking Rey instantly knowing how to mind control people with the force, knowing everything about the falcon etc. mocking Kylo's incel freakouts and saying the "TRAITOR" guy was the only good character. There has never been a moment in time when TFA was well liked.
>>220388517>no one liked it being a worse version of a new hope or that they killed off han to make ford happyIf this isn't focus group shit then it's just false. The rest of my message still deep dicks you up the ass thoughever
>>220378852I'm an old fag who just returned yesterday and this is the 3rd time I have heard this mongolian basket weaving joke. Is there really only like 4 people on here anymore?
>>220389900How russian of you
>>220376486the TFA one of course you can literally search for all the negative reception and criticism onlineGet Raped
>>220389455Sounds like cope from a prequelfag
>>220390095Yeah too bad it doesn't exist until the Last Jedi released 2 years later.
>>220390116Debunked in this very thread
>>220376486People "liked" force awakens at the time for what it COULD lead into, the world (except the people who tuned out the moment Boyega showed up on the trailer) gave it the benefit of the doubt because "surely there's no way the next movie will undo this one entirely and answer nothing while simultaneously setting nothing up".
>>220390327Also debunked in this very thread
>>220384113I disagree, tlj was so effective at what it set out to do that star wars has been dead ever since. It did crush it, and rather easily at that. Never recovered, never will
>>220390433Obviously not, if it's removal from canon has everyone hopeful and people like you pizzing shidding and farding in rage
>>220390353lazy reply = falseget some energy going nigger
>>220390116Yeah too bad you are a raped faggot full of aids
>>220389582a decade passed and they are still in prequels era stuff
>>220384411>if anything [retarded babbling from a raped faggot]yeah yeah, your ass is bleeding after it got raped, we know
>>220376486it wasn't universally hated but it wasn't well recieved either, people were still thinking "well it's just a first movie maybe next ones will be better" but by last jedi almost everyone lost all hope and by ep9 it was completely cooked
>>220390795It was universally hatedMary sueNo finn and poe team upCringe kanja club subplot goes no whereIt was a bad joke from begining to end
>>220390795>"well it's just a first movie maybe next ones will be betterIt's funny because people said this about Episode I, and it turned out to be true, with Revenge of the Sith being the best of the prequels. Sequels started bad and went beyond rock bottom.
>>220390544Meds, schizo. I have not touched this franchise once after tlj spit on my face, and many others reacted the same way. They can decanonize everything jewsday did and I will applaud them for that, but it does not erase what happened in reality. I'm not giving them a cent ever again much less as long as the one getting the money is the rat
>>220390946>Revenge of the Sith being the best of the prequelsIt's the worst one though. While TPM and AotC are bad, they at least have little bits and pieces of interesting ideas that could have worked if expanded on properly. RotS is like a rushed last minute assignment "oh shit we've gotta wrap this shit up, throw in all the member berries to tie every single thing possible into the OT" and every single thing related to Anakin is just fucking stupid. There is literally nothing positive to say about that movie except that people find Sheev chewing the scenery funny.
