>*the only popular scifi show that bothered to explain how they have gravity*even other shows that just handwave "erm we have artifical gravity generators" never do episodes where it fails
inb4 its not technically gravity
>>220390200>character seen at home>then character shown at work>midwit: but will the audience know how he got from point A to point B without a driving shot??????hurrrrr exposition
>>220390339not even close to the same thingmore like its a universe set in pre-modern times and they suddenly go from one continent to another
>>220390200The Expanse
>>220390339If a spaceship has gravity without a centrifuge, and no explanation for it, it gives me an impression of production laziness. If they cared about it feeling immersive or authentic, there would either be some explanation or they would put in a little more work to depict the crew floating in zero-g
>>220390200The expanse, nigger
>>220390200The Expanse uses magnetic boots everywhere. They just never make a big deal out if it and move on.
>>220391370>>220391782>>220391812didn't know that was popular desu
>>220391769It depends where its set and the level of technology in universe. It doesnt always need an explanation
>>220391970Its literally the only popular scifi show in the last 10-15 years
>>220391769It's technology that was discovered in the show's universe. It doesn't necessarily need to be shown or explained if it doesn't add anything except appease some autists
>>220391769Have you read any scifi or tried creative writing, because if you did you'd see how many problems zero gravity brings up.If it's not a main part of your story, then it doesn't make much of a difference.In Babylon 5 they mention it off handed, but almost all the scenes are set in normal gravity.The same goes for The Expanse.
>>220391985Was for>>220391917
>>220390339>hurrrrrobese boomer idiot
>>220391769this
>>220392077I've read plenty of sci-fi. If it's supposed to be a plausible near future setup, they generally give the ships centrifuge sections, rather than saying some unexplained gravity field generator, or whatever, is doing it
I like the Expanse's way of explaining it.Basically the ships accelerates constantly, so that 1g is always applied inside the ship.When the ship reaches halfway it turns around a decelerate at 1g.It's also shown that the ships can even accelerate faster, but then they need pressurized suits so they can withstand the force applied on them.
>>220392198Manned space travel isn't plausable in the first place. The basic premise of these shows is already fantasy. You're only quibbling over the the details.
>>220392218Yep, that's the only physically plausible way of doing it, besides a centrifuge. Though the energy needed to accelerate and decelerate for the entire length of a long space trip is beyond anything we can currently envision
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>>220392287Not like, flat earth. I mean spaceships flying around between planets and stars with hundreds of people and etc is never going to be a thing. Unmanned stuff will explore and people will never leave Earth in any significant number.
>>220392338we'll just send drones which will spawn our clones on the destination and then upload memories or something
>>220392338People want us to meet aliens because they think they will give us their FTL technology and more importantly the key to immortality and long life. Then give us a voting seat on the galactic council because humans have that intangible spark that makes us naturally superior to aliens and so they will allow us to take a key galactic leadership position if not outright rule them. They totally wouldn't melt us down into bio paste and use it for some totally alien and unknowable reason.
>>220392338Bold of you to project today into millions of years from today
I still can't figure out which wormhole(e.g. takes time to traverse or not) is more realistic, stargate or battlestar galactica
>>220392440>They totally wouldn't melt us down into bio pasteno they just kill the planet with as soon as they realize there's intelligent life on it, dark forest and all that
>>220390200Erm don't the minbari have artificial gravity thoughbeit
>>220392464They are sort of the same thing except Stargates are static endpoints while jumping is random. Also stargates are giant networks while jumping is point a to b to cThe "most realistic" is the more primitive version of battlestar
>>220392464do they fold a piece of paper in any of them?
scififags are actually unpleasable and shouldn't be catered to.
>>220392504i meant that jumps in bsg are instant whereas taking the gates in stargate take a certain amount of time (longer for e.g. pegasus to earth)if you construct the wormhole with the "black hole + exotic matter to hole it open and make it traverseable" it does require time to traverse but i don't know if it's really on the order of being noticeable or not
>>220392474>no they just kill the planet with as soon as they realize there's intelligent life on itYou are still anthropomorphizing too much. The more likely answer is we wouldn't even know why they were doing what they were doing. The same way we don't know why a fish decides to swim left or swim right at any given moment.
>>220392545you are just typing fanciful bullshit
>>220392440>>220392474The first aliens we discover, and possibly all of the aliens we discover, will be relatively simple and not intelligent or a threat to us. That's the statistically likely thing, given that only one species out of many millions of them ever became technological here, as far as we can tell, and it took hundreds of millions of years of diverse complex life on earth for that to happen.
>>220392544Oh, yeah I think the "traveling through the stargate" thing is to take up 10 seconds more of the show time.Something doesn't actually start travelling until it is 100% inside the stargate, like if you stick your arm through it won't transport to the other sideI assume folding the paper is the more realistic version
>>220392523I eat and breathe sci-fi. Movies books and tv shows. It's in my blood and I still don't think we should be looking to contact aliens. It's just really bad idea with a lot of really bad potential downsides.
>>220392591t. dark forest believer
>>220392591That's nice and all, but I'm talking about scifi and people like OP.
>>220392591Very true. Not having a concept of the Prime Directive on Earth has has disastrous consequences already.
>>220392568I'm not taking animals or plants or fungi. Im taking advanced space faring. We will probably never be able to set foot on a planet that already has life on it anyway due to cross contamination. It would probably have to be done remotely or virtually. But ever setting foot on a planet with even primitive plant life is probably out of the question as long as humans have organic bodies.
>>220392440>People want us to meet aliens because they think they will give us their FTL technologynot me. I want meet them so I can fuck 'em.
>>220390200ACKSHUALLY, the "old" (Vorlons, Shadows etc) and "middle" races (Minbari, Centauri) do have anti-gravity tech and it was not explained what it is. Humans and Narns didn't have the tect, with humans only getting it after the Earth was liberated by Sheridan (though it was also experimented on by salvaging Shadow tech)...only to lose all space tech a few hundred years afterwards and fall back to the Medieval Age tech. Eventually, humans clawed back to space and became something like the Vorlons.
>>220391812No hhe expanse uses constant acceleration or spin stations as simulated gravity, they have magnetic boots for emergencies only
>>220392484All of the major races do, besides humans.
>>220392742>The expanse uses constant accelerationHonestly this never occured to me. I like that idea.
>>220392655I'm going to cross contaminate with everything and you can't stop me fucker.
>>220392690Narn ships didn't have any spin sections though
>>220392440No they definitively wouldn't you should trust us unconditionally.
>>220392785What could go wrong?>tfw space crabs that grow to the size of actual crabs.
>>220390339In one of the Doctor Who episodes one of the characters realises that there is a "cut" and she is in another location and that she does not feel like any amount of time was spent inbetween "cuts".
>>220392762Not blaming you because I don't know how much of the expanse you've seen, but it's mindboggling how many people miss the constant acceleration/deceleration part. It is constantly referenced visually throughout the series.The one thing that didn't get an explanation in the show is how Ceres and the other asteroid bases work. In the books they do mention that all of those have also been made into spin stations and everyone is just walking around on the "ceilings"
>>220393050I was going to bring up Ceres in the thread but I don't know how large Ceres is ir if its big enough to have its own gravity.
>>220392287they just fly in a curve
>>220392568The statistically likely form of aliens we come across is a more advanced intelligent species who will fucking kill us
It's called gravity plating and probably metaphasic fields are involved somehow, that's pretty darn scientific if you ask me.
>>220393332More likely an advanced species who will point and laugh at the retarded monkey people on the backwater mudball. "They didn't genocide their jews and niggers? These fags are never getting to the stars, ayylmao!"
>>220393357Alien Romulus probably has the most kino use of artificial gravity as a plot device in a movie or show. With Undiscovered Country as a close second.
>>220393332I'm hoping that if there's an alien species advanced enough to travel seamlessly between solar systems, they have evolved beyond physical needs, and now just travel for fun.Maybe they transform earth into a human zoo.
>>220393430shut the fuck up hahahahaha
>>220393441From all of the YouTube science videos I've seen on actual discovered exoplanets Earth is prime real estate and all the other planets discovered have some kind of catch or flaw to them like being too close to the sun or tidally locked with no day night spin which ends up boiling one half of the planet and freezing the other with massive crust earthquakes from gravity flexing from the sun constantly pulling on one side. Earth is literally prime real estate.
>>220390200wow, this is so realismpilled and wholesomerino!
>>220393501Yes, to creature evolved on this planet, Earth is pretty awesome, but to the Whateverians from the planet Whogivesafuck IV the thought of beings living on this volatile ball with a corrosive, flammable atmosphere is pure poppycock.
>>220393501I imagine aliens who travel for fun have reached the point where they can just create their ideal planets.Kinda like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy style.It's not intuitive to think about, since we only have our era against cavenman era to compare to, but in my mind the entire human race at this era to such advanced species is like a single ant compared to us; not even worth the trouble of thinking about, beyond going "huh that's a cool ant" and then we are at their mercy of what they decide to do.
>>220393313A curved flight path which takes double or triple as much time as it does in reality?
>>220393783plus a lot more fuel probably
They use rotation for gravity in this. Watched it free on YouTube yesterday and it absolutely mogs Project Hail Mary. Totally underrated and forgotten movie and the ending holy fuck.
>>220392440>>220392655>We will probably never be able to set foot on a planet that already has life on it anyway due to cross contamination.This is in fact not as likely - as in, it's not that we would cross contaminate, but we have evolved for a specific arrangement of chirality and carbons and molecules and proteins and enzymes and amino acids, on Earth, and we interact with those things on Earth. So if and when we were to encounter alien life, the chances that we would be able to either eat it, or them eat us, and nothing would result because due to how our bodies produce enzymes and amino acids and such in certain configurations, we would not be able to gain any nutrition from alien food, nor aliens nutrition from us. We couldn't even digest it, so we might not contaminate it so much as get square plug round hole problems.Alien life could very, very easily use a different number or composition of nucleic acids or amino acids, which our enzyme sites won't recognize. Some are probably ubiquitous (glycine) but life doesn't need the exact number and types as here. There are loads of amino acids that evolution could have adopted here but didn’t. So our amino acids are left handed, our DNA spirals right, and this shit is really, really important at the most basic level. Thus even if chirality of the molecules is the same, we could very easily be biochemically unaligned even if the alien world has air and water.
>>220392287There's actually infinite parallel Earth's on a single plane, so going on that flight will just get you into flipped Earth, and flipped Earth's flight will travel to regular Earth.Kinda like floor tiles.This pattern continues infinitely, so there's infinite regular Earths and infinite flipped Earths.
>>220392271That's the magic handwave that powers the Expanse lore, some guy accidentally developed a hyper-efficient drive system which lead to a gold rush era of space expansion. It was... interestingly named.
>>220393867The germs and microbes don't care your thesis. They will try. If it's not edible then so be it. Things got to where they are through billions of years of evolution and death to where everything on Earth now eats everything else.
>>220392338>>220392267Thats why it's called science fiction
>>220392791That's why they were strapped in their seats whenever we see them on a Narn ship.
>>220390200its all slop
>>220393050i've been reading sci-fi since i was a teen, i think i only fully wrapped my head around that stuff in my late 20s, so that's a whole decade at least. i only watched season 1 of the expanse (before just going to the books, i didn't like the acting in the show) and i had no problem understanding what was going on but i don't recall them ever directly referencing it.
>>220395212>i didn't like the acting in the showThe guy playing Holden is not good. Especially when he tries to go all "I'm getting angry" it's pretty bad.
>>220393050>>220393222Ceres has negligible gravity. I can’t remember where I came across this info, but they used bog thrusters to “spin up” Ceres to provide centripetal pseudo-gravity. You really walking on the “ceilings,” and at one point, they curveball you with that fact by having some gangster Belter types walking through Ceres’s docks, then space a guy through an airlock port in the “floor.”
>>220393826Fantastic movie.
>>220390200It was the only sci-fi show brave enough to have a synagogue on the space station and a rabbi holding a service.
>>220395449interestingly in the end i found the characters in the show were exaggerated mirrors of book characters. whoever was annoying (holden, naomi) became even more annoying in the show, while whoever was based (amos, murtry, bobbie) was even more based in the show. the one major difference was miller who was based in the books and meh in the show, due to the writing, even though i love tom jane.
>>220395526>>220395212forgot to say i watched a couple of episodes of season 2 before dropping it, hence why i know what bobbie was like in the show
>>220392077>>220392198>>220392064>>220390200>>220391769Don't they think that there's some subatomic particle that's responsible for gravity? you could theoretically explain it by saying we identified the particle and then made something that bombards people with the particle like how we have lights that bombard people with photons.If you have any kind of FTL then saying you have a particle gravity generator isn't a big deal. The spinny shit is only needed if you are doing like generation/sleeping ships or like constant acceleration ships or something and even constant acceleration ships wouldn't be super feedable just based on how much fuel they would need
>>220395650I think you’re right. Most of their gravity generators use the theoretical particle called the graviton. The super-advanced ships also tend to have things called inertial dampeners to keep the crew from getting smushed when maneuvering.
because hard-science is a trap unless you're enthusiastic about explaining every atom
>>220395650We have literally never found gravitons, despite knowing exactly where they should be if our understanding of physics is true. It's part of the problem of squaring GR with quantum theory.Which leads to the joke that gravity doesn't exist (because it is not where it has to be in order to exist, so either way we have a blind spot about how the universe works that we haven't solved).
>>220396388isn't there some whole fucking meme about >maybe gravity works different on large scalesthat people seethe over because none of the experimental data supports it being any different on large scales?I'm a chemist, not a physicist
>>220396388Why can't it just be a bending of spacetime with no particles
>>220396564it can be, particles just add another thin layer of flavor
>>220396757Imagine space time is bending like a pringle. Can you really picture that without a little salt on the chip? Of course not. That's what gravitons are.
>>220396789I preferred Einsteins analogies
>>220396875>Einsteins sounds like a kike, i'm sure he'd approve of goyim using goyslop analogies to communicate concepts amongst each other
>>220390200Gundam did it 20 years earlier. Fuck off with that shit.
>>220396952yes, and space odyssey did in 1968, what is your point, exactly?
>>220396564There are some theories that gravity is a force acting on the universe from outside. Basically not a force between masses but an effect of the warping of space time by mass. Then there's dark matter/energy that is definitely there because if it isn't then the math doesn't work.
>>220391769you're just an autistic faggot
>>220396875Einstein famously disagreed with the notion of the Big Bang because the person who proposed it happened to be religious. He tipped his fedora so hard he'd rather be wrong than agree with a Catholic.
