>battles are soulless cgi slop>no battle of leipizg>battle borodino is just 30 second scene>napoleon repeatedly shown fighting at the frontlines>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his genius>reduced to a sexually humiliated chud who lucked himself to almost conquering europeRidley Scott is a hack and should never have been allowed to direct another movie.
>>220397855You just don't get it, chuddie, he is an artist. Check out this symbolic "death of HRE" that makes it look like the entirety of Austerlitz was fought on a frozen lake.
>>220398000excuse me matewere you there?
>>220397855A hate letter to the French.
>>220398000Literal capeshit lmao. Actually I think one of the revolving door Marvel directors could make a better movie.
>>220397855Ridley has gone full Eastwood. Just keeps making movies, not giving a shit about quality, handwaving away things like american sniper baby toy. Everything he says is extremely cynical, boomer crap and he can't take any criticism. The unfortunate thing is that he's the only one making historical epics anymore, so he's dragging the entire genre down with him into the grave with every bland movie. The real question is Where the FUCK are the younger directors who grew up on Braveheart, Troy, Gladiator, 13th warrior, Kingdom of Heaven, Last Samurai, King Arthur 2004 who want to take a stab at it? Seriously.
>create historical masterpiece>chuds still seethe over it years later because they can't into kinomany such cases
>>220398186do many bite?
>>220398204You did.
>>220397855>battles are soulless cgi slopThis is just a silly expectation to have desu, Ridley has been going full retard with the cgi since at least 2010. He's also embraced that souless multicam celebrity shoot in full. Seeing Ridley Scott on a movie poster doesn't mean all that much nowadays bro, just a couple nice images. For me, this movie was like a Joker 2 situation. I loved to see all of the first movie and Ridley dickriders cope and seeth at how absurdly bad the second one was and how much of an ancient robot Ridley has become.
>>220398186This but unironically.The director's cut is easily Ridley's best film of the last 20 years
>>220397855Get his fuckin loons off.
>>220398261bait lvls?
>>220398278pleb pls
>>220397855What the fuck is a chud, you mentally ill freak?
>>220398261he hasnt made a decent film since 1492
>>220398261I wouldn't say 'easily' but this is probably true
>>220398261>ignoring Gladiator 2srs?
>>220398358Poor bait
>>220398358Gladiator 2 is entirely serviceable. Pretty fun. No masterpiece tho.
>>220398261>no oscar winsAnd why would I want them?
>>220398261everyone says the director's cut adds nothing of note, I'l believe them over a retard like you until proof is provided that it is not so.
>>220398524>until proof is providedlmao what sort of proof do you want?>why can't you just condense 3 hours of kino into a 5 second webm I can glance at while I'm shitposting!?
>>220397855>>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his geniusHe was a hack. They mock him rightfully so.>>220398030>A hate letter to the French.A hate letter to enlightment, anti-traditional and revolutionary france. What's not to like?>>220398524>everyone says the director's cut adds nothing of noteThe scene of the guillotined nuns is superb and makes Robespierre's fall from grace seem far-fetched. Or the scene of Josephine stepping on the (revolutionary) tricolor flag as she leaves prison...
>>220397855>Man has been pumping out dog shit for years>HE MADE NAPOLION BAD BECAUSE HE HATES THE FRENCHRidley must have it out for the entire world because all his other recent movies have been equally as shit tooWhat did people actually expect? It's like getting mad that the newest disney star wars slop is bad. Duh, where have you been?
>>220398152>Braveheart, Troy, Gladiator, 13th warrior, Kingdom of Heaven, Last Samurai, King Arthur 2004Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>220398652All the early Josephine scenes were actually such kino. I can't believe they were cut.
>>220398696Good: Braveheart, Gladiator, 13th Warrior, Kingdom of Heaven.Average: Troy.Bad: Last Samurai, King Arthur 2004.
>>220398633>>220398652Nice, I'll watch it at some point then. I really wish there were deleted scenes of him talking to his marshals a bit and waterloo not being short and shit though.
>>220398748>I really wish there were deleted scenes of him talking to his marshalsWhy would a movie about Napoleon humiliation have scenes with his marshals to begin with?
>>220398748It doesn't turn it into a different film. But all the scenes are allowed to breathe a lot more. The story is more deliberate and structured. The battles aren't just montages.Joaquin is still too old for the role though. It's still historically accurate in the same places (as if that matters). It's still about Josephine and Napoleon
>>220398801just something to make him seem like a leader of men instead of this uncharismatic guy who just stumbles around and somehow is creating this huge empire, while his heart isn't in it at all it seems
>>220398829>just something to make him seem like a leaderAgain, this isn't what the movie is about. There isn't a single scene in any of the cuts that makes him anything but pathetic incel.
>>220398696I don't feel that I can connect with other men who didn't watch movies like these for the mass battles growing up. You may as well be aliens.
>>220398829The film, theatrical and dx, both highlight that he was a leader because of his skill, not his charisma. There aren't any scenes of him being a funny lad that everyone loves. There are lots of scenes of him being brutal and tactical.
>>220399048>There are lots of scenes of him being brutal and tactical.Like?
>>220399098Literally every single battle scene.
>>220397855>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his geniusGood
>>220399131Literally name them.This? This is tactical? Austerlitz? Where his "battle plan" was to charge everyone into the mosh pit down the hill, which is not only not how it happened but also is incredibly fucking retarded when you are shooting artillery into that mosh pit? The slow-mo cavalry charge at Marengo with no tactics?The slow-mo cavalry charge at Borodino with no tactics?The Waterloo where he literally just freezes? You good? Did you watch some other movie?There isn't a single scene in this movie that actually shows his mind. Everything works for Joaquin because it worked out for Napoleon.
>>220399216This post is incredibly dishonest and I refuse to engage in you if the entire discourse is just going to be you lying about the events of the film and playing dumb.
>>220399695Ah, you were baiting from the start, my bad.
Genuinely one of the very worst "historical" movies ever made. Made me wish cancer on the director.
Genuinely one of the very best historical kinos ever made. Made me want to shake Ridley Scott's hand and give him a medal.
>>220400549based
>>220398261>Ridley's best film of the last 20 yearsEven if this was true, it really wouldn't be a high compliment.
>>220397855>Ridley ScottYou don't need to write anything else.
>>220398809>It's still about Josephine and Napoleonexcept this isn't really true. halfway through the movie it just becomes a standard retelling of napoleon's life with a lot of truncation and creative liberties. by the end of the movie when josephine is mentioned, you're just like "oh yeah, her." i'm not really sure what midley scott's intentions for this movie were -- if it's supposed to be about josephine's relationship with him, why is it so half-assed and historically inaccurate? if it's supposed to be about napoleon foremost, why is there so much contempt for the man in the film?
>>220400549Piss poor bait
>>220398152>The real question is Where the FUCK are the younger directors who grew up on Braveheart, Troy, Gladiator, 13th warrior, Kingdom of Heaven, Last Samurai, King Arthur 2004 who want to take a stab at it? Seriously.Eggers, but you people are only interested in tearing him down for some reason.
>>220401279I think that was the premise used to sell the film to apple as their original take on his life, and way of ensuring it would appeal to men and women.You can see from the dx that a lot of Josephine's scenes were cut, and this is what Ridley originally said when talking about cutting down the initial 4 hour cut. Ultimately, it's a 'classic' historical epic that focuses more on vibes. Nothing in the film is historically inaccurate for anyone who actually cares about films to care about. It's nowhere near as bad as Gladiator in that regards, for example. There's no inaccuracies that really matter in the grand scheme.But yeah, between focus-testing after filming finished, and Ridley being a large-battle filmmaker, the final edit is a lot more of a large scale epic than the initial pitch.>why is there so much contempt for the man in the film?I don't think there is. I think if you fall into culture war bs and refuse to acknowledge the truth behind his life (ie Josephine publicly whoring around behind his back) then it might seem like that. But really it's just a portrayal of Napoleon as a military savant with bad social skills. It still showcases his accomplishments and underlines that he was incredibly brilliant, such that the rest of europe had to unite to bring him down.
>>220401551Eggers is a fucking hack and The Northman was a pile of shitty wank. Literally capeshit for the "I watch Vikings" crowd
>>220401551>>220401675Also lmao at comparing Ridley to Eggers. The Norfman cost over 2/3 of Napoleon's budget.The majority of the film is set in a sparse field in the middle of nowhere with a couple of wooden huts. Compare that to Napoleon having a genuinely impressive sense of scale with multiple large battles. Hate Ridley all you want but at least he understands scale and doesn't piss his film budgets away on cocaine
>>220398000This shit so grey it might as well be a black and white movie holy shit why is Hollywood scared of light and color
>>220398030When you put it like that this movie was based
>>220398186>>220398261I've seen Waterloo so I know what a good Napolean movie looks like and this was massively weak compared, didn't make Napolean seem impressive at all
>>220397855Ridley Scott.
>>220398652>napolean was a hackyeah if you call every great military leader a hack sure, so was Alexander the Great
>>220399048no there aren't, maybe a few moments but the majority of it is him being a shithead and him having good men that win the battles for him
>>220397855>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his geniusAnon the brits that captured him exiled him to a remote island in the Atlantic ocean hoping that he'll die quickly. You have to understand and envision the disdain the british have for this man.Now, Ridley Scott is british. Can you put two and two together? What you're asking from the brits, to have them pay respects to Napoleon as a general, is an impossible request. The best they can do is exile
>>220399216this guy watched the movie>>220399695this guy was on his phone and thinks winning the battles means showing tactics
>>220401630the contempt for him is obvious and while it shows him "winning" battles it certainly doesn't show much of the military brilliance
>>220401675Northman was a much better movies than Napolean and as much of a viking epic as we're gonna get for the next decade or so, obviously its "fantastical" so its not intended to be a realistic movie really
>>220401279>why is it so half-assed and historically inaccurateI find it quite laughable how Ridley artificially extended Josephine's life span to make her be the reason why he escaped Elba. He literally reads about the Tsar visiting her, and it hard cuts to him on the ship. It would be funny if the script didn't take itself so seriously.
>>220397855>>220398000I just don't understand why directors take periods that were full of color and fantastical dress and just turn it into grey sludge. We could've had a Western RAN with vibrant, intercate uniforms and beautiful field tunes combined with the brutal, graphic reality of 19th century black powder warfare. Instead, we just get blue-tinted garbage. I've heard but haven't confirmed that the technical advisors they had on set was a medieval historian and a WW2 historian, which makes complete sense.
>>220398152They aren't Jewish.
>>220397855>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his genius
>>220402023They also poisoned him
>>220397855Napoleon released the jews from the ghetto. He single-handedly destroyed Europe.
>>220401712The differences in budget can entirely be attributed to the casts salaries making it even more embarrassing for Eggers
>>220397855>here's that promising 23 year old captain I was telling you about
>>220402452dah jooooooooz
>>220398152There is a huge history boom going on also. We have paradox games, hell even civ games, we have constant creation of pop-level videos of every historical subject on youtube. You think with deeper-than-surface level history becoming this accessible to the public, there would be a lot of drafts for historic epics. I admit that hollywood might actually be one of the the rather rare cases where the left regulated itself to death.
>>220402023sending him to st helena is an absolutely hilarious move that fully displays the compassion and humour of the english. the other powers wanted to just kill him.
>>220397855I did like how they explored Napoleon's relationship with Josephine, although it was overdone. Everything else was awful, especially Phoenix being ancient and not understanding how to play the character at all. The pacing was atrocious too. I haven't seen the directors cut, but it's probably just more Josephine and nothing to make the movie better.
>>220398152They both are old and know they can die at any moment, so they are in a hurry to push out all they can while they are able. That clearly has an effect on the quality of the movies they do.
>>220401630>bad social skillsLiterally everyone he talked to, even his enemies, came away saying what a charming and interesting guy he was.
As a Napoleon fan, I refused to watch this slander.
>>220402387amazing how men stop growing up past age of 32
>>220402510this is probably partially because kids like me who grew up on the internet are now 30 or older and naturally older men become more interested in history, I find myself reading about chinese history, or french, or mycedonian, or yugoslavian shit every other week
>>220402104Director's cut shows the tactics a lot more clearly
>>220402510The thing is, Hollywood and TV are in denial on what interests people. They still think everyone wants to watch what they are doing, but Youtube has proved time and time again, that there's a demand on well made, long form documentaries just like there's a demand for long form talk radio like all those podcasts have proven. The old media is desperately thinking they are right when they have already lost the race.
>>220401630Just say you liked the vibe of it. The rest is mental gymnastics, the fact that you enjoyed the vibe doesn't say anything about the movie good or bad. Maybe you just had a good night out at the theater.
>>220402478lmao
>>220402725No it doesn't. Can you name these scenes? Them sitting at the giant map and one of the marshals pointing at northern Italy and saying that this is where the Battle of Marengo is going to be and the movie cutting to a cavalry charge is not fucking tactics.
>>220402792It's a good film. Literally all the criticisms can be summed up as>muh historical accuracy>Joaquin is too old>why isn't Napoleon cooler?It's people criticising it for what they want the film to be instead of what it is, which is bad critiquing. The film itself is great. Brilliant soundtrack used amazingly. Great battle scenes. Great acting (inb4 "but he doesn't act like how I think Napoleon should act!"). And it looks great. A great watch.
>>220402658as a Napolean fan I watched it and I was massively disappointed, thankfully I had got into Waterloo a few years prior so that kept my head straight
>>220402725i'll believe it when I see it
>>220402869The battle scenes ITT look pretty bad, they're all gray. You say it's good for what it is, what is it besides vibes?
>>220402869you left out the part where it doesn't demonstrate him as the tactical military genius he was noted to be and instead focuses on stuff nobody cares about
>>220397855tfw Napoleon became a muslim so they're slandering him
>>220402934I think he's saying the stuff nobody cares about was the real point of the movie, like "Amadeus". Josephine was like Salieri maybe
>>220402869>Make film about guy>Title the film his name>gets nothing right about guy>even go out of your way to get it wrong on purposeCmon buddy.>great battle scenes>great actingPhew.
>>220402869>why isn't Napoleon cooler?Well, yes, this is a valid critique. What's more likely, a charismatic genius achieves a ton and becomes Emperor, or a literal mumbling autist bumbling upwards into the throne?
>>220402951except Amadeus is great
>>220402869Always fascinating to see into the minds of legit dumb anons like this one. You just know hes never made 6 figures his entire life kek
>>220402914>The battle scenes ITT look pretty badWdym? You don't like blobs of infantry running into other blobs of infantry? Here is that greatest tactical masterpiece Anon told us about. Just tell everyone to jump into the pit. The Austrian and Russian AI was on easy.
>>220403085dumb people makes lots of money and smart people (like me) make shit all the time
>>220403092>Take the high ground!>Soldiers run down off the high ground to the low groundBravo ridley
>>220402496many are saying this
>>220402869oh boy, you really made the chuddies mad with this one
>>220403190>>220403203>you will NEVER have a pixie-cut Vanessa Kirby gf
>>220403220>>220403234At least they got this detail right.
>>220397855>no respect for napoleon as one of the greatest men of history or his geniusHe won a few battles, but he was also the person who broke the strength of France forever. For the first time since the Hundred Years War (i.e. the first time in like half a millenium), because of Napoleon, enemy armies entered Paris in 1814.Not only did Napoleon cause the first comprehensive defeat of France for 500 years, but he started it down the path of weakness, and after 1814 France was defeated again in 1815, and then in 1870s by Prussia, and then in 1940 by Nazi Germany.Napoleon made France weak and the French love him for it
>>220403203the surprise was a 1992 rapid fire action arcade style sega megadrive joystick with oversized buttons and a copy of street fighter 2 championship edition.
>>220403422Wait a second this sounds an awful lot like the iran war propaganda
>>220403470>hm, this makes me look like a dipshit loser, um, how can I deflect...>um... IRAN OR SOMETHINGGood one, pjotr. Everyone respects you now.
>>220403503You're right only one war on this planet can be a pointless waste of money, my mistake I kneel before your superior intellect
>>220403422Wars are winner takes all faggot, if France just beat Russia they would have become rich beyond your wildest dreams. Russia not being European is the reason Europe isn't lightyears ahead of America and China in economy btw because its so rich.
>>220403914>Wars are winner takes all faggotNo they aren't, most of the time. Look up literally every single war from the establishment of France as a Kingdom to the downfall of Napoleon. France won and lost plenty of wars in those several hundred years. At NO time since the Hundred Years War did Paris ever succumb to enemy troops. It simply never happened, France lost wars and kept going without being conquered by its enemies. Until Napleon. Napoleon caused France to be conquered and utterly defeated.>if France just beat Russia they would have become rich beyond your wildest dreamsThat's not how it works. Poland beat the USSR in 1920. The Russians were defeated and signed a peace treaty. What happened to Poland then?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
>>220404009lol at this anon arguing Napoleon Bonaparte was anything other than THE prototypical great man of history, who rose from total obscurity to master of Europe, for the sake of one evening's enjoyment of a Ridley Scott flick. The Scott bros got their start in advertising and it shows, the movie looks like a car commercial.
>>220404274I don't like Ridley Scott's film>who rose from total obscurity to master of EuropeBut that's not true. Napoleon lost his war. Napoleon elevated the British and Russians to much more powerful influence in the world than they had been previously, due to his destruction of French power.
>>220404418Fun fact, they're considered multiple different wars. Austerlitz was in 1805 and Borodino naturally took place in 1812. Like the 1812 overture. Would you believe the battle of Waterloo was in 1815? Napoleon had the most ridiculous career of any person. He won most of those wars and only lost a few, his fall doesn't change the enormity of what he did. In fact, I'm sure you agree because you attribute historical significance to his actions anyway, just implying that modern France somehow should regret supporting him.
