>>220403495
Why didn't they just mind trick watto?

>>220403512
Mind tricks don't work on Jews. Only money.

>>220403495
The Hutts would catch wind and kidnap the queen for ransom.

>>220403571
i was going to post about bad writing but it was probably this. trying to sell a Naboo Royal Cruiser would raise a few questions

>>220403571
But entering a huge popular race ran by the hutts doesn't bring any attention whatsoever?

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>you have a child slave, I don't give a shit about making fair business deals with you
>*decapitates him and takes whatever he needs*
Would that really be that hard?

>>220403571
Didn't Qui-gon promise Watto the ship as his share of the entry fee for the pod race?

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>>220403682
>Force Chokes don't work on me, only mone-ACK

>>220403682
Watto honestly seemed to treat Anakin and his mother pretty decently for slaves.

>>220403495
Why didn't the Jedi ever come back and get Anakin's mother out of slavery instead of letting her get kidnapped and raped to death by sand people thus preventing Anakin's turn to the dark side?

>>220403495
They followed the will of the force

>>220403678
yeah, but the queen didn't have to leave the ship because it was just a bet.

>>220403682
To me it would have made far more sense if Vader just never came back and left the planet as a blindspot, a memory of a life he forgot
>>220403641
Watto entered the race, using “Qui-gon’s” pod. Why would that be suspicious? The implication in the movie is he’s entered several races before

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>>220403552
Unfathomably bold risk taking from whoever signed off on the AotC redesign

>>220403728
So Palpatine could blow her up in her fancy apartment on Coruscant and make Anakin turn to the Dark Side even faster?

>>220403682
The funniest fucking thing I've seen in a long time.

>>220403749
Couldn't Watto have noticed the ship was a Naboo royal cruiser and just out Qui-gon?

>>220403512
Why didnt they just kick his ass?

>>220403753
I mean if there were I dunno a Sith tracking your movements I don't think entering a race where half the planet's population is attending and standing in the pits where anyone can see you is a good idea.

>>220403552
why didnt they mind trick a non-jew to get money for watto?

>>220403844
Why didnt they take their republic credits to a money changer and get local currency?

>>220403682
>Vader totally killed Watto
Retarded redditism
He liked him, as one can like a slightly abusive father figure. AOTC already shows him returning and facing his old dad, such as he was.

He had already grown past him as an 18-year old

>>220403758
Jedi could've easily freed her and let her set a new life on a decent planet and hidden it from Anakin so he wouldn't form a bond to his mother but he would know she was free and safe

>>220403868
The money changer is a relative of Watto's

>>220403495
Better question: Why didn't he just gamble with Watto in the first place and then Jedi-kike the space dice?

Or if Watto wouldn't gamble and Qui-Gon has no qualms about fucking people over like that anyway, just go to the nearest gambling joint and make a fuck-tonne of money, then come back and pay Watto in space-pesos or whatever the fuck he wanted.

Jedi know how quickly you can compound shit if you can be certain of the outcome right?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Iznv3PNKQ

>>220403809
You the audience know there’s a Sith after them. The characters didn’t until later in the movie when Maul attacks them. As far as they know nobody with any affiliation with the Federation they are running from is on the planet. Going to the race didn’t risk their cover with the knowledge they had.

>>220403755
Anon it was an independent film

>>220403905
>Two Jedi came into my shop, assaulted me, and then stole some parts and two my slaves!
No one would believe Watto if they just did that. He would turn into Tattooine's Alex Jones

>>220404000
Kek
>I’VE SEENA THESE PEOPLE. THEY’RE REAL AND THEY’RE AMONGST US. THEY RIDE NUBIAN CLASS AND TRAVEL WITH LITERAL ROYALTY.

>>220403682
That part of that comic was just someone imagining thats what vader did. Not an actual event.

>>220403902
Thats just a classic greek tragedy plot with the hero attempting to cheat fate. No matter where she ended up she would have died before ani could save her

>>220403495
just lightsaber the shit head and take the girl. or mind control someone else and make them give you all their money. you clearly have no fucking morals and mind control people all the fucking time to get what you want, but oh no mind rape is fine but you draw the line at killing the fucking slaver. prequels are so fucking stupid.

>>220403682
gay and retarded
obi knows ani the best and bets he'll never return to tatooine so he hides there overlooking his son
>um akschually he went there x times after becoming Vader

>>220403905
Jedi can only use their powers for defense, never offense. Qui-gon wont purposefully try to cheat people. But if someone forces him into a bet he can act.

>>220404882
>but you draw the line at killing the fucking slaver.
Slavery didn't seem to be frowned upon in SW universe.It's part of the social structure, it's just bad luck.

>>220403922
Oh please you can't argue that going to a fucking major sporting event, in the fucking line of sight of everyone, is not conspicuous but also think selling their ship is too conspicuous. Not to mention regardless of whether the characters know a sith is tracking them, as the audience we do know Maul is looking for them and recognize that Maul should be looking for them at the Pod Race. Otherwise Maul comes off as a complete retard for not looking for them at the one event that has the most people on world in attendance.

>>220404924
He was literally going to steal the hyperdrive from Watto using a mindtrick.
How is that any different fromgoing yo the Hutt casino and betting big or just mind tricking one of the pay out officials? Hell he could have done that at the podrace and no one would know for awhile anything was missing given the amount of money being exchanged.

>>220403495
Why didn't he just cut Watto in half, storm Jabba's palace, kill him and lead a slave uprising across Tatooine?

>>220403879
This. He was already a half-step above being a bum by Attack of the Clones, even had to sell off Shmi to Lars just to make ends meet. Plus, like other anon said, he never seemed particularly abusive to either of them, they even had their own apartment.

That said, I still fail to understand how slaves still hold any value in the Star Wars universe when droids are widely available everywhere, even on shithole backwaters like Tatooine.

>>220405459
It makes far more sense for him to be looking for them anywhere but the sporting event, because there’s no reason for them to be at the sporting event

>>220406782
>I need to find these people
>Should I go to an event where the most people will be?
>No I shouldn't, I shouldn't even bother sending one of my probes....
>Oh wait I did...
>And it somehow didn't see or notice the fucking Jedi sitting on the high open seat watching the entire race for a half hour
>Fuck me I'm one stupid fucking sith lord hopefully this won't cause me to get cut in half and live in agony the rest of my life.

>>220403495
Watto didn't have any ships. He owns a junkyard, not a hanger bay.

>>220403728
Tattoine is not a part of the republic and thus the jedi aren't allowed to interfere with non-member countries' politics. Same reason why Europe doesn't help Ukraine fight against Russia directly.

>>220404882
Watto is just an innocent businessman who partakes in shady activities. You can't just take someone's life for that.

>>220405829
because Tattoine has a standing military and will go after the Jedi.

>>220405516
He wasn't going to steal it, he was going to pay for it in republic credits, which Watto wouldn't take.

>>220407166
>jedi aren't allowed
They regularly break the rules as it suits them. If Qui Gon killed watto to "free the slaves", no one on the Jedi Council would give a fuck as long as he has this fig leaf of good intention. We can only conclude in universe that Qui Gon was simply a thrill seeker and was looking for amusement when he made that bet with Watto. Had the he lost the bet, he would just taken what he wanted from Watto anyway.

>>220403571
But the Queen is Jewish. They wouldn't kidnap one of their owns.

>>220407325
they make judgement calls and maybe will make immoral ones if needed in the moment but going and freeing a slave from a distant plantet is not something that is an immediate action.

Also he would've had to go travel back there and the council isn't going to allow him to travel to an independent planet for a rogue mission.

>>220407384
Hutts are jews now?

why didn't lucas just make better movies

>>220407426
he's not a good director and nobody else wanted to direct them so he had to do it himself.

>>220403755
George could do whatever he wanted you fucking idiot

>>220407308
You do realize forcing someone to take a worthless currency in exchange for something is theft right? If that's too fucking hard to understand think of it like this. If I put a gun to your head and told you to take monopoly money for a car you were selling that would be theft regardless of the fact I paid you anything. I coerced you to take a deal against your will. That is theft.

>>220407401
>freeing a slave from a distant plantet is not something that is an immediate action.
Unless that slave is Anakin... Jinny is just a fucking hypocrite

>>220407590
he was racing for him and was force sentisitve so it was necessary. Plus he was freed in a deal and not through violence or immoral ways. If you go back and free his mother then at that point you're showing favoritism and that just leads to corruption. There's probably hundreds of thousands of slaves in Tatooine so what do you do with them?

>>220407703
Or maybe.... he could just come back for Anakin and Shmi when his mission is over and save everyone the fucking head ache? Where's Anakin going to go? Not to mention it gives him an excuse to go back and buy Shmi with Annie.

>>220407401
>>220407590
>higher than master Yoda
Fucking over a random local businessman who is keeping Jedi Jesus as a slave seems exactly like something the Jedi would be all about.

>>220403495
Why didn't they get the eagles to fly Anakin to Coruscant

>>220403669
He would gain too many dark side points and lose influence.

>>220407820
>Citing Jedi Microbes
Please fucking stop. That shitty plotpoint has enough retarded baggage for it's own conversation.

>>220407811
Anakin just won the podrace as a kid so he's gonna be a well-known figure and likely get a lot of attention and offers for stuff. You risk him fucking off to do other stuff and not wanting to do jedi training anymore.

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>>220403495
Why didn't he mind trick the next best junk dealer?

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>>220407854
Midichlorians aside, they think they have literally found their messiah as a slave in a random junkyard. Saving him would be on the same level as dealing with a sith lord, and they had no problem just straight up arresting the Emperor.

>>220406364
Because cheap droids suck. They're dumb and clumsy. You literally have to delete their memories and re-teach them how to do their job periodically because they go crazy if you don't.
Droids are unironically one of the more well thought out parts of the setting.

>>220406364
Droids don't fuck and make more of themselves for free.

>>220403495
Try doing that with your car. No, go ahead, try it. Let me know how it goes

>>220403868
Maybe on the black market or larger sums would've raised attention.

>>220406364
Because owning slaves is a bigger status symbol than owning droids

>>220403495
why would watto say republic currency is worthless despite the republic ruling the vast majority of the galaxy, why would watto even have slaves for physical labor when driods are so readily available and easy to make that a literal slave kid can make one in his free time, why would any of them even bother with trying to buy one when they could have just found some way to contact the jedi and ask for a ride

>>220403728
Because the Jedi don't care. They're space monks who forego such attachments. Plus they'd already done Shmi a huge favor by freeing her son and giving him a future.
>Why didn't the college that gave Tyrone a basketball scholarship ever come back and get his mom out of the ghetto?

>>220408355
>why would watto say republic currency is worthless despite the republic ruling the vast majority of the galaxy
Because he's on a planet way outside of the Republic that doesn't see a lot of Republic traffic. There's probably a guy somewhere in town that will change money, but I'd bet his conversion rates are bullshit and a space jew like Watto doesn't want to get double jewed.
>why would watto even have slaves for physical labor when driods are so readily available and easy to make that a literal slave kid can make one in his free time
Good droids are more expensive than slaves and cheap droids are worse than slaves at everything except their super specific task. Yeah, Anakin built a droid from scrap. And that thing was fucking useless for anything besides translation and pushing a broom.
>why would any of them even bother with trying to buy one when they could have just found some way to contact the jedi and ask for a ride
Would've unironically taken longer.

>>220408068
while its not a fully pay out, a used car will pay off a decent portion for a new car, plus in ops case they are paying with a top of the line ship which should be more than enough to trade in a new ship and then some

>>220408355
>why would watto say republic currency is worthless despite the republic ruling the vast majority of the galaxy,
Tattoine is independant and not part of the republic so the currency is useless there.
>why would watto even have slaves for physical labor when driods are so readily available
droids are pretty clunky and probably can only do one task each. Humans can do everything and are likely cheaper than droids.
>why would any of them even bother with trying to buy one when they could have just found some way to contact the jedi and ask for a ride
Jedi can't come and interfere with non-republic matters unless it's a danger to everyone else. Coming and stealing slaves would piss off the planet's rulers.

>>220403495
They had enough equipment and the broken drive on their ship to trade for it.

>>220408577
>that doesn't get a lot of republic traffic
multiple nations don't get a lot of traffic from places like the US, EU, and China but are more than happy to trade in the perspectice curriencies each one has due to how many companies use them to begin wtih, if anything its more than likely just to even run his shop he would have republic based suppliers
>good driods are more expensive
I really doubt this considering how plentiful driods are to the point you can make literal armies of them including the support staff being driods, even today with far more limited technology with robots being things that can only function on limited code have already replaced large portions of the workforce, there is no way in star wars for a driod to be more expensive
>take longer
I really doubt just finding a space phone would take longer than trying to bargin with a merchant, help a kid make his own pod, wait for the race, and then finish said race

>>220408608
It's a top of the line ship, but it's also broken and it's just gonna be sitting on your lot until you can buy the parts off Watto. Like, imagine being a used car dealer in Afghanistan or whatever and some white dude rolls up out of nowhere with a Porsche with a busted transmission and says he wants to trade it in for a Toyota or some shit, promising that the jew asshole down the street totally has a replacement Porsche transmission but wouldn't accept USD.

>>220403713
Well the obvious reason is that beaten, starved and mostly unhappy slaves. CAN'T FUCKING WORK.
Fiction about "brutality" has really cultured what slave life was actually about. The nigger whipper 4000 and brutal beatings and such were punishments yes.
But to slave owners, that is the merchandise.
You don't smash your own shit, that you have invested money in to, over petty tyrant shit. That most fiction seems to portray.
How the fuck can a slave push dirt bags up hill if you broke his legs last night?
I remember them having a line about them having a collar on that keeps them in their work area's, if they cross a boundary it explodes.

The better question is how the fuck it's in any way more sustainable to use human slaves over droids? It doesn't make any fucking sense.

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>>220403512
why didnt qui gon just fuckin chop that fat jew's wings off? huh? what now, fucker?

>>220408949
>shows you a short film about dino DNA

>>220408686
>I really doubt this considering how plentiful driods are to the point you can make literal armies of them including the support staff being driods
The droid army was literally a product of multiple megacorps pooling their funds for years and years. And the battle droids fucking sucked anyway. The droid army outnumbered the clones like 10:1 (or more depending on your source) and they were evenly matched.
>even today with far more limited technology with robots being things that can only function on limited code have already replaced large portions of the workforce
And yet somehow we still use Mexicans for all sorts of shit.
>there is no way in star wars for a driod to be more expensive
Like I said, you can either have a good droid or a cheap droid. You want a droid that's as smart and capable as a person, then it's gonna cost you. If you want a cheap droid, you're gonna get a slow retard droid.

>>220408949
my impression is the planet is technologically antiquated. the whole planet is a junk heap in the middle of the desert. they dont seem to have enough physical parts for such machinations.

like cuba

Watto is a junk trader, not a used ship salesman

>>220409001
I find it really amusing that you had all of the megacorps pooling resources. Yet The best they could mass produce was the dumb B1s.
By the middle part of the Clone Wars these things were just being mowed down in the 1000s a second.

>>220408949
Watto got Anakin for free and he was more capable than any droid. Sounds like good economics to me.

>>220408005
Oh, neat. Thanks anon

>>220409082
They probably would've gotten better results going all in on B2s and those commando droids, but the B1s were probably better for the Techno Union's bottom line or some shit.
>You will contract 10 million more B1s or else we're gonna have to cut costs and drop the B2 production lines

>>220407166
>>jedi aren't allowed
Bro who fucking cares. Just pay some fucking guy a bunch of money to go and buy her and shit. They don't need to show up there themselves.

>>220409199
I do not think Palpatine needed to use Sith powers to undermine them.
He just bet on how cheep and stupid they are.
It does put in perspective that Megacorps can only mass produce that level in total war.
So having Tatooine almost devoid of droids that were not broken beyond repair or smart enough to do the work. Does track for a dirt poor out of republic world that is basically run by a mafia.

>>220409269
Who cares that much about some padawan's mom? He's not even supposed to care himself if he actually took the no attachments thing seriously.

>>220406364
clankers are fucking useless did you watch the film

>>220409330
>We sense this child might be the chosen one that we've been predicting for ages
>We also sense he has great darkness in him
>Let's do nothing about his slave mom so she can be beaten and raped daily he'll never look into it
Wise council

>>220409490
To be fair, he didn't look into it at all for 10 years until the Jedi left him alone and unsupervised for an extended period with a hot chick that he was overtly attracted to. The Jedi were really giving him every opportunity to slip.

>>220409045
Or like Arrakis minus the spice, which is what Lucas actually based Tatooine on.

>>220409717
Honestly the Jedi deserved what happened

Why didn't qui gon mind trick someone else to get the useful local money and used said money to buy hyperdrive?

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>>220403495
>I don't have any legal tender but Monopoly money...will do fine.

>>220406364
>who needs a pit crew or mechanics when I have droids
>oh fuck one of them got sucked into a turbine intake because they're fucking retarded

>>220407574
It wasn't worthless to Qui-Gonn, which is why he wanted to pay for it. It was only worthless to Watto, which is why he wouldn't sell it. If I came up to you and said
>here, let me buy a car off you, I'll pay you in platinum ore
is that theft just because the payment is effectively useless to you? It still holds value, it's just that it's far too much effort for you to get the value from it.

>>220408355
>the republic ruling the vast majority of the galaxy
REMINDER: The Republic, for all its claims to legitimacy as a “galactic” government (which really just means the Core, Inner Rim, and some Mid Rim) fell apart over half a dozen times, lending blatant instability to their domain and their control and regulation of finance among the constituents of galactic banking. Naturally the Republic currency is strong within the Core worlds, grown bloated and fatter than the most indolent Hutt, but their credit is only good while the underlying governmental system backing the currency remains stable. This is a laughable notion, given the clear evidence of multiple refoundings, reorganisations, reformations, and crisis events affecting the function of Republic space, and that is without mentioning the corrupt Banking Clan. As a result, we can say, confidently, that the disaster that is Republic crisis management clearly lends the Republic credit/datary an inherent instability.

But not all is lost. Unlike its significantly more volatile fellow, Huttbux are backed by the governing body of literally the oldest contiguous civilisation ever to exist within the confines of the galaxy, reigning unconquered in the Greater Bootana Hutta for, as of The Phantom Menace, over twenty-five thousand years (longer than the oldest date of the Republic's founding), and doing so while commanding soft and hard power in their own territory as well as across the Outer Rim (and much of the Mid Rim as well). Truly, the Hutt peggat (based on actual value, not fiat) is more stable than land or even gold.

Watto wasn't being a dick when he denied Qui-Gon a trade in Republic credits. He was a prescient understander and investor in his own financial security, knowing that the republic-of-the-day credits pushed by the tourist cannot stand against a currency that has maintained its validity for a thousand generations without surcease.

>>220408043
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Memory_wipe

>Just as with droids, it was possible for computers, such as those controlling starships, to develop personality quirks if they did not undergo memory wipes.

>>220410455
Monopoly money isn't real. Republic Credits are a galaxy wide currency that should have been readily available for exchange on a planet that presumably does at least some business with the Republic.
All sorts of shithole South American countries will take US Dollars because they are worth more within the community than local currency.

the space jew was too crafty and would not agree to the terms or would alter the deal

>>220403682
That was retconned

>>220404278
Kek

>>220404000
>>220404278
>Watto starts a podcast
Where's that show, Filoni?

Who would be Watto's co-host?

>>220411534
a droid voiced by Joey Diaz

>>220403512
They tried. Jews are immune since they also use mind tricks

>>220403755
Joji-sama does whatever the fuck Joji-sama wants. Remember that, bitch.

>>220403682
>draw,write,film,etc something YEARS and DECADES after the actual Art of worth
>arbitrarily and shallowly declared 'canon' on the hollow basis that the schmuck who made said thing was getting a paycheck at the time.
I despise this and
>mouth-breathing slimy wretches screech, howl, and jeer about who in the fandom WON or LOST based on after-the-fact pseudo-canon that amounts to a dishonest, fragile, and phony pile.
this is disgusting.

Also the prequels are non-canon and should best be forgotten.

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>>220403789
Yeah, but you're forgetting he's a space jew. He wanted it ALL.

>>220410869
It is theft if you force the fucking transaction on me which Qui-gon was attempting to do you dumb fuckwit. Are you like legitimately retarded? Forcing me to make a transaction at gunpoint is still fucking theft regardless of whether you give me anything that could potentially hold value in some rare circumstance.

>>220411150
Hutt worlds may be running a corporate town type of scam, so accepting republic credits could have them kill you. You have to trade in your credits with the hutts, for a massive fee, what wasn't an option as they where trying to lay low.

>>220413995
>Trying to lay low
>Enter the biggest fucking race on the planet.
>Become tangentially famous as a result of Anakin
Yeah....

Phantom Menace is like a long list of needlessly complicated plot points that could easily be fixed

>>220414047
Nobody knew it was them, but a Jedi exchanging money with a hutt crimelord does get noticed. A hutt that might also decide to capure them and sell them to trade federation when he realise who they are.

And the race was indeed a fuck up. Maul found them after it.

>>220403682
i preferred when the canon was that vader never went back because tattooine is a shithole that he hates

>>220403495
Why didn't they ask at least one other person on the planet for the part?

>>220414103
>but a Jedi exchanging money with a hutt crimelord does get noticed

Walk us through this.

>>220414103
Jedi are not necessarily known unless they explicitly make themselves know somehow...like brandishing a light saber etc. Watto didnt immediately jump to the fact that Qui gon was an actual Jedi even though he tried a mind trick. He dismissed the handwave as a stupid bargaining tactic of a regular person.

>>220403495
Why didn't Kwai gone just stick his lightsaber up Watto's arsehole and ignite it?

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>>220403753
>To me it would have made far more sense if Vader just never came back and left the planet as a blindspot, a memory of a life he forgot

Agreed he never did in the old EU but with Disney he's been back to Tatooine numerous times also he travelling around with this woman from Phanton Menace

>>220403495
whats Tatooines economic perspecitve like?
i know it got moisture farming but thats hardly anything but subsistence
you got mining companies that comes to the planet and then promptly leave as mining on the planet isnt as easy as they though
and i guess you got shady crime stuff like smuggling
why would anyone want to stay on this hellhole if they could afford to leave?

>>220414103
>Maul found them after it.
Not because of the fucking podrace though. Maul is just a certifiable retard in the phantom menace.

>>220414462
>Why did Eskimos stay in their frozen shithole eating raw seal fat instead of moving to California?

>>220404857
That's not how Greek tragedy works or what it's about.

Oedipus is a tragedy not because him marrying his mother and killing his father, that has already happened, that's done, the horror is a matter of the problem of him prying into the truth of this. He could stop and remain ignorant of the truth, and go on with his life not knowing, but he goes mad trying to find out what happened and in the process discovers what he has done. The matter of trying to avoid an inevitability is part of the background, it isn't the problem the play concerns itself with or what makes it tragic.

>>220411150
Maybe the issuing bank have the ability to flag credits used in crime and make them worthless? Try wiring one dollar to Iran with "jihad" in title and see what happens.

>>220414462
Pod racing is a big deal there. Probably why half the population is too poor to leave or in slavery, lost it all betting on the wrong racer.

>>220409082
Keep in mind they took naboo and were clearly about to clean house for the republic if the clones hadn't been found.

Droidekas absolutely fuck, and if it had just been the normal armies + Jedi, they would have won.
The mega corps only lost due to sith machinations

>>220403728
why didn't they have padme have secretly bought vader's mom and it be a secret between them in aotc to establish emotional closeness

>>220403495
The jedi stance on slavery always bothered me. Really there is no logical answer for why they didn't take Anakin's mother and give her a place to live on Coruscant or other Republic place. Especially when she's the mother of their CHOSEN ONE.

>>220403682
The ADL said this isn't cannon though.

>>220415244
The Jedi are supposed to live ascetic lifestyles without personal attachments, you don't get to bring your mom with you when you go off to become a space warrior monk.

>>220415201
>mother-in-law problem already solved
Why would Padme want to change this?

>>220415304
It's common sense to figure out the kid is not gonna focus too well when he knows his mom is out there a slave. The Jedi have all the resources to get her a safe place but they don't. That's not lack of attachment, that's pure stupidity and lack of foresight.

>>220415333
Checked, also the movies do establish that the Jedi do kind of have their heads up their asses so they're not thinking of that, they're just going "damn this kid is jedi jesus and OH SHIT IS THAT A SITH, FUCK".

>>220415244
Because the Jedi in the prequels are part of an outdated and ineffective system. The slaves are outside of their jurisdiction and they'd rather teach Anakin a lesson about how he needs to give up attachments than personally save his mom. Everybody else had to say goodbye to their families forever, so I assume they expected the same from anakin

In all seriousness, it was less than 10 years between phantom and aotc, even Anakin thought he had time until he started getting visions. She wasn't really even mistreated by watto, and until she got TUSKEN'D she was actually living a rather comfortable life on a wealthy farm. Anakin was already planning to slip away and save her when he got into a better position

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>>220415304
>live in a fuckhuge temple that towers over the city
>tons of flashy ships they fly around in everyday
>oy vey, sorry chosen one but we cannot afford to buy you out of slavery. you are going to have to risk your own life in a death race to get out!

>>220415244
their attitude seems to be that if they can't save everyone then they won't save anyone.

>>220415820
To be fair, they were quite cautious about training him since he was too old. They were correct in that his training wasnt sufficient to prevent his fall to the darkside. However, a big part of their problem is being autist monk is not really compatible with being a human being. This is explored more in the EU where Luke, Kyle Katarn etc dont operate like classic monk Jedi

>>220403495
There is a question before that. Why just take Watto's word he is the only one with the parts. He could be, but there is no reason to trust a any trader, least of all one on a shitheap like Tatooine.

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Why did this mindbreak Gen Xers so bad?

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>>220403495
they probably could have sold some of amygdala's luggage

>>220403495
t. never tried to talk a woman into selling a vehicle

>>220407325
I wouldn't use George's shit writing as a substitute for world building.
I think we can take it for granted that the Jedi have a strict code and go through great lengths to maintain it.
George just can't write it convincingly, kind of like a dumb person trying to write a smart person.

>>220416291
It's just such a tepid way of starting off your entire trilogy.
Maybe start it off with a whole ass blockade that is causing other issues?

>>220413947
It is and that other guy is dumb, but it's also better than just stealing. One could argue about what the most moral thing would be but I don't think most people see qui gon as a bad guy.

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>>220403755
Voice actor was on set in a chingchongman hat for TPM.

>>220403755
>whoever signed off
Nobody tells Lucas "no". He has "fuck you" money.

>>220416291
Because if you think about it for more than 10 seconds the blockade makes no fucking sense and does literally nothing to further the TF's goal of removing taxes on their trade routes. Should have just had the fuckers seceed and get to the clone wars immediately.

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>>220416087
Qui Gon probably has a decent idea if someone is being truthful or lying to him

>>220416427
Stealing is stealing. The fact Qui-gon was willing to stoop that low to begin with means there is no reason he shouldn't have just outright stole the part in the dead of night after Watto closed shop.

>>220416506
>Stealing is stealing
Wrong. I can steal a piece of candy or something in a store to taste test it or I can steal the life savings of someone in their house. Those aren't equivalent.

>>220416562
Both those acts are stealing...the difference is what you stole, and the punishment.

>>220416606
>But words

>>220403804
This is the one that always gets me. Like, they're on a planet with very loose laws and this is just some shitty asshole slaver. They could have just chopped him in half with a light saber and freed both Anakin and his mother. Why would they be so respectful to this garbage being?

>>220416629
I think it's obvious - they can't go around committing crimes and drawing attention to themselves
>but le podrace
Anakin's raced before, Watto is entering him into the race. All standard par for the course in Mos Espa

>>220416562
Problem with your analogy is we know what Qui-gon was attempting to steal, an expensive piece if spacecraft machinery. I don't see how Qui-gon can have no moral quandary with using mind control to steal this item while having another just outright taking it.

>>220416629
>ah durr, why do da guys who must follow da light side of da force and not give into anger not just fucking murder some guy to get what dey want??
Mong.

>>220416652
>Yo what the fuck is that duck thing in the pits with Anakin?
>I dunno, never seen that before looks like something you'd see on a swamp planet
>Hey I know some weird guy in Mos Espa asking about that guy, said he's looking for him, an old guy and a young girl. Maybe we should tell him about it, he was offering some pretty good money.

>>220416818
It's a trading port, there are loads of weird aliens everywhere. That's why they chose Tattooine int he first place. Plus how do you know that no Gungans have been there before?

>>220403552
This. mind tricks only work on goyim

>>220416776
First of all that has nothing to do with the analogy. Secondly we don't know he was attempting to steal. He attempted to pay but was denied, he then tried to force him to take his currency. What the actual situation with the currency is we don't know, not from the movie at least. And therefore it's hard to know exactly the moral character of what transpired.

>>220416857
They chose Tatoonie because there was literally no other option

>>220416945
You have no idea what force coercion is do you? Like you have no concept of what that is do you?

>>220417008
I understand it well. You probably misunderstood something.

>>220417083
Understand this: fuck you.

>>220417209
This is why I come to /tv/: for the witty repartee.

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>>220403495
why didn't he just mind trick someone else into trading republic credits for local money that he could then use with watto?

>>220416811
remind me again why Luke killed jabba & friends?

>>220416087
they cut the four hour segment of Qui-gon visiting all the other scrap dealers and trying to negotiate. It's on the cutting room floor along with the takes of Padme taking a piss and the uninterrupted shots of the crew playing space solitaire to pass the time in hyperspace

>>220417620
because Jabba tried to murder Luke and his friends?

>>220404924
>Jedi can only use their powers for defense, never offense
right...like that time they fought an intergalactic war, or attempted to assassinate papa palpatine or when obi wan assassinated grievous

>>220407196
wrong

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>>220417620
Luke wasn't trained like the prequel Jedi were. He also explicitly ignored Obi-Wan's and Yoda's advice on key points. Recall they told him to kill his father and not to try and rescue his friends. He's less inhibited and more aggressive, but also more empathetic.

>>220408005
why didnt he mind trick the next best junk dealer into bashing watto over then head, or trading him for the hyperdrive whichever wss faster

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>>220417209
Unprovoked perpetrator of evil: I curse you to suffer unimaginable pain for the rest of your life then have your head cut off. Amen.

>>220417743
are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you just a retarded nigger?
The Jedi follow a strict code to refrain from acts of violence, aggression, and selfishness. What exactly constitutes those things can be interpreted differently based on the individual Jedi and the ccircumstances. Is it "aggression" to fight back against an invading force? Or to use force to subdue the leader of a grand, evil scheme?

>>220417919
none of that bs is in the OT

>>220417977
neither is anything in the post I was replying to

>>220403868
No one was dumb enough to take hyperinflationary fiat monopoly money

>>220417083
Then how are you still nit understanding that what he's doing is morally wrong?
>buh buh it's not as bad
Actually it's worse.

>>220417620
Because the plot was dumb as shit in ROTJ too.
Fucker literally could have had Lando unfreeze Han at any time and still waited until the Han, Droids, Chewie, and Leia were all captured before getting involved himself. Fuck I hate that stupid Jabba's palace plotline in ROTJ so fucking much

>>220417919
>Is it "aggression" to fight back against an invading force?
You do realize the Jedi were the Invading force on Geonosis right?

>>220403713
Anakin was a little fucking genius that built robots and shit, you'd have to be a retard to mistreat him badly assuming he was probably very useful to Watto

>>220403728
Because they thought "bro just get over it lol dumbass", it wasn't an oversight but part of their religious philosophy

>>220417735
no jabba froze han bc he faked to pay denbts then slut3po came in and bikini'd out then luke Murphy school shootered every one

>>220417824
"return of the jedi"

>>220403728
How long she was a slave after Anakin left? She was eventually sold and married to her new master and that point there was no point freeing her

>>220411150
Republic credits ARE monopoly money (literally as well as figuratively), whose value is only enforced on worlds where they hold the monopoly. They're hyperinflationary zimbabwe dollars of a bloated inefficient government

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>>220418242
Yes, return of the Jedi. The Jedi returned. Luke is a Jedi, just with a different philosophy. Just like how Qui Gon was a Jedi but had a different view of things than the Jedi on the Council. They have different ways of doing stuff. They're still Jedi.

>>220416378
>It's just such a tepid way of starting off your entire trilogy.
>Maybe start it off with a whole ass blockade that is causing other issues?
You're literally live in such timeline.
Enjoy WWIII while you can.

>>220414325
The old canon was that Tatooine was actually literally the last place Vader would set foot, and it makes perfect sense, the little bit of "Anakin" would find it way too painful (and also he hated the place, guilt aside, also he didn't like sand :))

>>220418320
what was the point of your prior post

>>220418382
To point out that Luke killing a bunch of people like he did (Jabba and friends) is consistent with him being a Jedi

>>220415304
>Ummm you don't get to bring friends (or family)
>Goes through an extremely painful ordeal (the fire rises)
>Becomes a big guy
>No one cares who he is when he puts on the mask
>When he takes it off he dies
Vader truly was the Banite messiah, the Sith'ari

>>220415304
The movies were also a criticism of them living in literal ivory towers and sniffing their own farts

>>220403682
oy vey this is very anti-semitic

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>>220415917
>too old

He was fucking 8 years old. Oh that's right you have to be a fucking toddler in diperars holding a baby lightsaber to train as a Jedi

Man I fucking hate Lucas with a passion

>>220418552
This.

Luke being too old made sense. He was an adult that had his mind set after joining the Rebellion. He had prior obligations. Yoda saying he was too old made sense. A child, a 9 year old, is not too young and don't give me this attachment shit. Tons of kids are easy to coerce. Schools do it all the fucking time.

>>220416916
It works fine on Space Jews too (so long as you're not asking them for money)

>>220403728
Because a galaxy wide secessionist movement ripped the republic in two followed by a meat grinder war.
Jedi master Errannd Boi, who would normally be sent on low risk missions like this, was too busy get run over by a droid tank.

>>220418677
The secessionist movement didn't happen for years following the events of Phantom Menace
Errand Boi had plenty opportunity to go to sand world.

>>220418343
>because it's real that means it's good because okay!
Usually when people take inspiration from history, they don't focus on all the random ass shit that happens before the main event.
Not to say it couldn't work--a movie about the political shenanigans during the inter war period would be kino--but we're talking about space adventure here.

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>>220403495
>Im just here to steal your child

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>>220418132
>"Change of plans, Lando! We need you to take one for the team! You'll be going solo to Jabba's Palace and rescue the Rebel Captain!"
>"WHAT? You're sending the black man instead if deploying a Jedi? But that's suicide! Why can't Luke, Leia or Yoda do it?"
>"ARE YOU RETARD? We can't risk a Jedi for any job of this caliber!"
>"But Chewy! Come on pal!"
>"NO! Eat Bantha fodder, General Calrissian! You signed up for this! No guts, no glory, soldier!"
>"This deal is getting worse all the time..."

>>220416486
>Should have just had the fuckers seceed and get to the clone wars immediately.
Good idea. Phantom Menace was a waste of time story wise.

>>220418677
Why didn't obi wan ask his good friend dexter jettster to venmo watto and buy her freedom?

>>220419028
Dexter was pretty busy being a prospector on Sub Terrel kicking absolute ass in other Galaxies

Was there any preexisting lore reason to have TPM go to Tattooine or was that Lucas doing completely needless world-shrinking like making Darth Vader build C3P0

>>220403669
>Slavery is the same as murder

Modern moral relativist bs

>just kill watto bro

are we trolling or legitimately that retarded? I shouldn't have to explain why this is a stupid opinion.

>>220418552
8 year olds already posses the capacity for individual evil. That is about the time you achieve self-image, and then start making value judgement decisions.

>>220418132
I love it. I love the droids, the muppets, Lando sneaking around for no reason, Leia's outfits from bounty hunter to slut, I love they turn in Chewie. Luke gave R2 his lightsaber. It's all so beautiful. Then they kill everyone with no survivors.

>>220418132
Booba took frozen Han away dipshit. They all tried to infiltrate Jabba's palace together.

>>220419364
95% of anons here would instantly fall to the dark side if they were a jedi and encountered a moral dilemma.

>>220403495
Because it is Naboo's Royal ship of the Queen.

>>220403713
Anakin had enough time to build a robot and a podracer while living in a home with space most real zoomer only can dream of. Watto was ok.

>>220419302
Does the word "poetry" not exist in your language, savage?

>>220420041
>poetry
Aw yes the excuse for lack of creativy.

>>220418552
he had already grown attached to nouns (in particular his mother)

>>220420285
>Poetic?
>That's an American word meaning uncreative, right?
You're a fine one to talk. Refresh my memory, what exactly would you Afgani nerf fuckers know about "creativity" or a lack thereof? No cutting off your baby daughter's vagina is not creation, that's called destruction, Jabib. You uncivilized beasts never contributed any creations to the larger world iirc

>>220403590
>trying to sell a Naboo Royal Cruiser would raise a few questions
Holy shit...

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>>220419324
>killing a space jew is the same as killing a human

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>>220403495
>She is a queen
>And she is rich
Poorly written

>>220420419
>No using the exact same fucking world over and over is actually creative!
Piss off. Nostalgia pandering is bad whether it's the sequels or the prequels. Vader didn't need to be from Tatoonie.

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>>220403590
Weird because Watto doesn't even bat an eye when Qui-gon shows off the ship when saying he'll use it as the entry fee for the pod race.

Why didn't they have one of the handmaidens sexually pleasure Watto in exchange for a deal?

>>220416811
Slavery is always evil, and therefore killing slavers is always morally correct.

>>220403682
>Vader came back to kill Watto and somehow didn't find out about Luke

>>220421503
>Tatooine is bad whether it's then or now!
You don't even know what the Force is. The Force has a great sense of humor and a master plan. It's not hard to imagine why it'd author a father & son similar Destinies

>Vader didn't need to be from Tatooine!
Yes he did. Viewers want a frame of reference to observe the subtle differences of Golden Age Tatooine and Dark Age Tatooine

>>220421572
Because good pussy doesn't work on Toydarians! ONLY MONEY!

>>220403495
If Watto had a ship half as good as theirs, I doubt he would stay in this shithole.

>>220403495
>Why didn't they just Sell Watto their ship
why didn't they just cut him down with a lightsaber because he was a slave owner? jedi kill entire death stars full of people and this piece of shit slaver is just traded with

>>220421738
>The Force has a great sense of humor

What movie was this in?

>>220421868
All 6 of them

>>220421738
>The force did it!
Is just as fucking dumb as
>It was Magic
Fuck off with that. If Vader is from Tatoonie at least provide better context because you could have set that portion of the story anywhere else with literally no change to the story.

>Golden Age of Tatoonie and Dark Age of Tatoonie
There is no Gold Age you dumb fucker it was always a backwater hick planet.

>>220422167
>BUT THE FORCE IS FUCKING DUMB
Sounds like the gigachad genre is not really for you, man. Perhaps the cuckold genre is more up your alley?

>If the future Darth Vader is from Tatooine at least provide better context!
>I need something more epic than a boring underdog trope of a 9 year old slave defeating Michael Jordan in a 1v1 Basketball tournament despite the 1-in-1,000,000 odds to win his freedom and his golden ticket to escape the desert hellhole to train to become a Jedi Messiah figure
What's your problem with colossally Heroic story-telling?

>There is no Gold Age you dumb fucker
>"For over 1,000 generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and order in the Galaxy. Before the Dark Age..."

>>220422716
>Actually having a deus ex machina for any and all plot issues is a good thing
That's bad writing retard. You can't just say some all powerful force made a bunch of contrivances happened. It isn't interesting and never will be. Magic without boundries doesn't make a compelling story, even fucking Cinderella knew this and made the magic end at midnight.
>Why don't you like the rag to riches story?
Because it's heabily contrived and unbelieveable? All for the sake of pandering to fans to show Tatoonie again. Once again I'll point out that Anakin could be from any other planet and it wouldn't have mattered.
>specifies Tatoonie had a gold age and when called out for that retardation he moves the goalposts to the entire galaxy
Fuck you.

>>220421882
What scenes?

>>220422848
The funny ones

>>220422822
>Why don't you like the rag to riches story?
>BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FORCE!

>>220423906
The force isn't the problem. The fact the story bends over backward just to give Anakin the opportunity to use the force to get out of enslavement is.

>>220418132
They wanted to explore all possible options before Luke went in and massacred the entire Jabba crime family.

>>220425508
So.... why not have Lando unfreeze han?
He has already infiltrated Jabba's palace and has access to Han. Just release him.
>jabba would have caught him!
They would have no idea if that was going to be the case. Even so it would be better for Han and Lando to both be held in the same location so that they could be freed together. That's when they could send in Leia with Chewie and then break everyone out at once with smuggled weaponry.

>>220424777
>Force is not the problem
>Story is the problem
The Force literally "writes the story" you fool, in a fashion akin to a writing staff authoring a poem. The same Force that enslaved Anakin on Tatooine freed Anakin from Tatooine. Then does the same thing for his son years later

>>220425650
The only problem with Jabba's Palace is why doesn't Boba Fett immediately spot and recognize Lando? He's the best Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy but can't tell the difference between two different black people? So if he's faceblind how is he supposed to tell the difference between two separate Zabraks? Or two Gammoreans? Or whatever race he's currently hunting

>>220403495
Hey kid it's not that kind of film

>>220403495
>*waves hand* IOU's will do fine...

>>220425650
they weren't ready to extract him yet dummy

>No they won't
>Ok, pocreeds to the next stall
>Start's using jedi mind trick bullshit on them
>Watto is glow in the dark space Fed trying to get your spice, stop him.
>Keep doing with the next stall and next after that.
Might not get your part, but hey fuck them.

>>220426827
now you know why the Sith came out ahead

>>220403495
>go to market square
>talk to to 1 (one) merchant
>tells you he is the only guy on the entire fucking planet who has the thing you need
>believe him

No wonder the Jedi got wiped out, they are a bunch of retards

>>220404278
>IVE SEEN THE DOCUMENTS. WHY WOULD THE PARENTS OF CHILDREN JUST SLICED UP AT A JEDI TEMPLE BE SMILING? COME ON FOLKS THEY ARE COMING FOR OUR BLASTERS

>>220403552
the greatest implication here is that the jedi systemically expelled all alien races that were imune to their mind tricks into the outer rim thereby indirectly creating the slavery system anakin fell victim to.

>>220416629
He's a Jedi you retard, not your edgelord OC

So if credits were no good what does Tattooine use? There's bars and stuff, do they also use a barter sustem? What did Luuke trade to get in?

>>220426977
Do you have any idea how hard it is to lie to a Jedi Master? If Qui Gon sensed any deception on Watto's part he would've called his bluff

>>220427543
They use Wupi Wupi. When Jar Jar was caught stealing food the store owner said:
>HEY! THOSE COST 12 WUPI WUPI!

>>220418253
Not long. She was cute and Watto was desperate for money

>>220403713
Why wouldn't he? Just because they're slaves doesn't mean that Watto is a bad person or is somehow morally obligated to hurt them. A slave can be treated quite well like how people are treated under the reign of a good king.
Most slaves are in slavery because they were faced with the choice of death due to wars, disease or starvation and instead opted by their own free will into slavery to avoid that fate. In effect the slaver saved their life.
Maybe Watto is a slaver with a heart of gold.

>>220410074
To be fair, they never personally had to deal with a padawan that was taken in old and with baggage, nor do they themselves know what it's like to have real attachments and suffer greatly over them. As all then current Jedi were all taken as babies and trained without attachments.
All the Jedi were just warned about the dangers but never experienced someone like Anaki first hand, because they're weird warrior monks.

>>220413947
>Forcing me to make a transaction at gunpoint is still fucking theft regardless of whether you give me anything that could potentially hold value in some rare circumstance.
We call those taxes, anon.

>>220408907
>I remember them having a line about them having a collar on that keeps them in their work area's, if they cross a boundary it explodes.
It was an implant, and the way Anakin phrases it makes it sound like it's not an automatic system, but rather they're tracked and if they escape they *can* be blown up.

My impression of Watto is that he wouldn't actually have pushed the button if they called the bluff and made a run for it. He might hire bounty hunters to bring them back alive but he doesn't come off like a big enough asshole to kill them out of spite.

>>220408907
Fiction depicts severe punishment when slaves tried to escape or rebelled or when one specific slave owner was a sadistic piece of shit who got off on being abusive, and even then more serious injuries weren’t shown to be common place.

People who love whining about this shit always want to downplay slavery and make it no big deal because they’re driven by an agenda to whitewash history

>>220415333
That would go against the Jedi way.

>>220418552
The Jedi by rule only take in much younger than Anakin, specifically because they know that after a certain age the child starts to develop too strong attachments and emotional bonds and that interferes with the training to reject such behaviour and raises the likelihood of becoming susceptible to the dark side.

>>220421650
unfortunately he was a defenseless and unarmed. the Jedi aren't going to chop someone down like that. now if he decided to pull out a blaster all bets are off

>>220430393
>Did you spill that drink? HOW FUCKIN DARE YOU NIGGER!
>I order you to be beaten within an inch of your life so you are off work for 6 weeks while your legs heal.
It is cartoon villainy bro in a propaganda effort.
Most slave owners could reason. It is only other people with an agenda to demonize them all that seem to see no shades of gray here.
I would bet you believe feudal lords went around just raping and abusing the peasants that feed them as well right?
You could find 1 or 2 within history sure. But they never had power long, before another lord called them out invaded and made them give up their lands and titles.

>>220403512
Why DID the supposedly honorable peacekeeper jedi knights try to mind control a decent, hard working business owner?

>>220403713
Scandinavian slaves literally lived with their owners, ate well and were given opportunity to buy their freedom with a few years of work. Jews retconned American slavery to incite race war. They don’t even hide it

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Another starwars thread o it’s way to bump limit.
And people say Lucus wasn’t a genius

>>220403495
No one wants the ship
They should have whored out the entire retinue of Royal Handmaidens

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>>220431930
This seems like a great idea at first, but hutt probably ran the whore game on the planet, doesn’t need someone under cutting him

>>220403669
Apparently so, always thought that was retarded

>>220431793
>Thinks you can force people to work for free forever without constant violence.
Cartoonish cruelty is a necessity for slavery, because the minute the slave isn't in a constant state of terror they slit your throat in the night.

>>220417824
Yoda never told him he had to kill Vader. Only confront him, and when he did, he would be a Jedi. Kenobi is the one saying he needs to kill Vader.

Yoda did say he should be careful about going to try and help his friends because it was a trap (and even Yoda couldn't see their fate, because the future is always in motion) and Yoda was right. It was a trap, and Luke walked into it. He wasn't ready, he got his fucking hand cut off annd the shit kicked through him, FAILED to help (they would have escaped without him, Lando was already getting them free), and he was so fucked up by the revelation of something he wasn't ready to know that he never went back to finish his training. At which point Yoda is sad, he calls it unfortunate not because he didn't kill Vader or because Luke knows the truth, but because Luke rushed to face him and wasn't ready for the burden. Which he was, again, right about.

At that point, Luke is still an incomplete Jedi, but Yoda is on his deathbed and he can't hang on any longer, so he just has to give Luke best wishes and hope what Luke does have is enough.

>>220433090
Fair enough. I stand corrected and I yield.

>>220432852
So how many throats have you slit?

>>220433090
if Vader wasn’t distracted by Luke, Lando wouldn’t have been able to do a damn thing.

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>>220407851
>kill a slaver of literal children
>get darkside points

>>220407865
>funko pops might of saved everyone
grim

>>220421550
i literally remembered this scene a minute after i posted that comment but i chose to not delete. good job based rememberer

>>220435495
I find that critics of the Prequels remeber the plot better than any of its fans

>>220403728
I can get over the Jedi not caring about her. It's fucking crazy that Padme didn't go back and free her though. She even personally took shelter in Shmi's house during a sandstorm for fucks sake. It's not like she couldn't afford it either, or that Watto would have some reason not to sell her