for me it's the 2000s poker craze on tv
>>220421678i hate how they made us believe that it's a game of strategy. shit is mostly luck and fraud.
i check
>>220421678i chuck
>>220421805the game overall is about strategy and probability. of course, your hand is always dealt by a chance, but overall you can weigh the best course of action to some degree with mathematics and reading the other person. there are people who constantly make a top 16 run from tournament of +500 players. that's statistically impossible if it were pure luck.
>>220421872I suck
>>220421805It's about people skills and percentage memorization more than anything. The real problem was online poker pretty much instantly became swarmed with bots and tools that made it impossible to play. Plus, the kinds of people who make money playing poker aren't going to these mega games on TV, they're prowling around low stakes weekend games so they can take all your money.
fucked up how the world will never be comfy like this again
>>220422180It wasn't comfy.
>>220421678Farha should've won.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XpF7bmRYMo
>>220421805You're a retard. I made a living from poker for almost a decade. A hand is luck; a bankroll is skill. Hands don't matter. All you have to do is have an edge on the game that beats the rake and you are printing money long term. It's not a difficult concept.
The World Series of Poker is such a fucking joke now It's a bunch of fucking nerds now who do Pokémon stall tactics just to make a few extra hundred bucks at the table
>>220422235It was always a joke, back in the day it was 80% retarded businessmen waiting for aces and kings, which is why you have all the clips of the pros of that era saying "hmm I think you have aces" and being correct and looking like geniuses.What gave it away the fact that he hasn't played a hand in 6 hours and is suddenly going crazy?
>>220422055you can't because the person you're playing with doesn't have to cooperate with your strategy. your strategy depends on them taking action in a way that you desire. >>220422154those people who really do make money in irl games are colluding or playing off of the winnings of a lucky streak. >>220422229yeah i don't believe you at all.
Poker is a shit game played by cunts
>>220422341this is mostly true. it's like chess for retards.
>>220422055>people who constantly make a top 16 run from tournament of +500 playersit's either called luck or cheating.
wtf is his problem?
>>220422330Poker is a solved game which means there's a correct way to play it, and if executed perfectly you will always win in the long run (unless the rake is astronomical)>>220422360>it's like chess for retards.it's the opposite, a chess grandmaster can play about 90% as well as a perfect computer, it's impossible to play poker 90% as well as a bot would, which means poker is a harder game to master.
>>220422435Poker-cunt detected
>>220422435>it's impossible to play poker 90%why is it impossible?>if executed perfectly you will always win in the long run
>>220422432this is SICK
>>220422432He can't ride a bike
>>220422536Because there are millions upon millions of different scenarios, all depending on what cards you hold, what cards are on the board, what position you're sitting in, how many players are in the pot, how many players are at the table etc.And each decision has multiple different "correct" ways to play, for example: "the perfect way to play this spot is to check 35% of the time, bet big 32.5% of the time and bet small 32.5% of the time" which means to play perfectly you would have to memorize hundreds of millions of small details.That's why it's harder than chess.
>>220422229All just made up bullshit from a guy larping that he got lucky
I grew up in the 2000s and my dad and his bros played poker like every other week at our place smoking and drinking, it was a lot of fun when they weren't taunting my sister and I. I wish he still had those bros now at best he disc golfs with one of them. Anyways Rounders was dope made me nostalgic for those days.
>>220422681this sounds like a long way to say it's mostly luck
>>220422432The DarkSydePhil of poker.
>game involves risk management>therefore it's all luckIn the same way not dying in a car accident is all luck for the guy that refuses to wear a seatbelt, i guess. It's fascinating how low IQs struggle with probability.
>>220422330its called knowing how to read people
>>220422873let me see your hendonmob
if it's not a game of skill how come I can kill bots in video games but struggle with irl games. I'm not playing online even with people I know I know Dave you have the prob counter on.
>>220422864Nah, he's is or at least was a great player back in the day but the poker zeitgeist has changed significantly and he never changed with the times.
>>220422873if it's not mostly luck, why do "pros" resort to cheating and selling courses?
>>220422330>>220422709You didn't put in the time. You didn't study the game. You didn't track any data and put any time into analysis. You thought you could just push buttons and make money and when it didn't work you blamed the game instead of the fact that you're a lazy moron who vastly overestimated himself.
>>220422435>Poker is a solved game which means there's a correct way to play itIt's solved in the sense of having a strategy that results in positive EV, but that value is quite low if it's a blanket strategy that doesn't incorporate specific information about the players you're against. You're losing a bunch of money by not relaxing your call conditions with the obvious retard going all in pre-flop for the 10th time. Exactly why the average "winning" poker player has 100 tables open that he isn't even looking at to make any profit.
>>220421872I raise you 5 gummy bears.
>>220423028prove that you're a winning player
its only mostly luck if players of the same skill are playing each other, if I sat down with pros I'd lose 90% of the time, if my dad sat down with pros he'd lose 70% of the time (hes played all his life)
>>220423006For the exact same reasons poker pros do it. You gonna argue chess is luck because magnus sells courses or because people have been caught using stockfish in tournaments?
>>220423006>why do people making money one way also make money in other waysYou're a completely unsalvageable fucking idiot.
>>220423087>>220423092tell me why a pro would need to resort to cheating if great poker is "printing money"
WOOOOOW
>>220423083Part of the game is knowing who to play. At the end of the day the real game is bankroll management and the real win condition is measured by its state over the lnog term.
>>220422235>>220422270The fact of the matter is that Poker is a lame, shitty game, where the best move like 80% of the time is just to fold. That's why they have forced bets to begin with, otherwise no one would ever bet and would just fold unless they had aces. Very stupid game.
>>220423115>>220423087
>>220423115Cheating how? Because if it's angle shooting and tables let you get away with it, there's no reason not to. Why wouldn't you raise your edge on the game? Why wouldn't you sell books and courses if you can?
>>220423138>the game has rules to ensure it works therefore it sucksYeah man chess fucking sucks too, i could just eat my opponent's pieces to win instantly but they don't let you.
>>220423083Your dad would probably lose more, it's much easier to play against oldheads stuck in their ways, way more predictable than someone who doesn't know much.
in 2011 on April 15th by executive fiat obunga declared poker illegal and the online poker companies stole everybody's money. That's when I realized that retard was just black Bush.
>>220421805Why do you think the same five guys make it to the final table of the World Series of Poker every year? What, are they the luckiest guys in Las Vegas? It's a skill game.
>>220423183No one has to shove a hot poker up a chess player's ass to get him to make the first move every round, because it's a game of skill and luck isn't even a factor.
>>220423153there's many ways to cheat. mike caro interviewed some pros about their techniques. they name names too i believe. i just remember doyle being one of the big names. as for selling courses and books, you wouldn't because you're losing money from not playing if it's a skill game.
>>220423039the "blanket strategy" will be extremely effective against 95% of players due to how aggressive it is by default. And you're not losing by not adjusting to player types, you're not just winning as much as you could be.
>>220423229i haven't paid attention in a while. which five guys?
>>220423243Poker literally needs to have a specifc rule to prevent an infinite stalemate, you have shot a hot poker up their ass to quit running circles in the endgame, and they still do it.Game have rules, who knew?
>>220423276Don't know. Poker is stupid. I just think Rounders is funny.
>>220423284Chess*
>>220423244>you wouldn't because you're losing money from not playing if it's a skill game.That's absolutely retarded. Books sales are passive income, playing is active income. You have to sit at a table to make money playing poker. Once you have a book or course out, you can make money in your sleep. Anon, you are a dumb person.
>>220423116brutal
>>220423116>>220423353Deserved, the guy with the quads just throws all his chips in all over the table performatively, making it a nightmare for everyone, and impossible for the dealer to count the size of the bet.
>>220423304i am too dumb and lazy to explain this properly but from what i understand, many pros depend on the income from courses and books. why would this be necessary if it's a game of skill?and again, why would the top pros need to resort to cheating?
>>220423116odds on a royal flush beating quads are so low it basically proves this is staged.
being into poker or cards or gambling in any form is a dead giveaway you are retarded
for me its the constantly annoying as fuck clicking of the poker chips, theres not one quiet moment in any of this garbage and it would piss me off so much in my sleep that I would wake up and turn the tv off
for me, it's Annie Duke!
it's fucking boring to watch and requires no skill if everyone is wearing hats and sunglasses. It's a lot better when everyone knows each other.
>>220423443Those 9 different cards you see on the graphic are no more or less likely to show up than any other combination of cards.>>220423507there were never any facial "tells" in poker, it's made up mumbo jumbo to make it more interesting, it's all hand-reading and timing tells
some interesting thoughts about this "game of skill"if the game requires this much scamming and hustling, it seems like it's mostly luck. https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/1ocnsr5/how_do_professional_tournament_players_make_a/
>>220423507well yeah friend games are much more fun, but thread is about pros.>>220423553of course there are, to the extent that there was an era of faking tells.
https://youtu.be/ev99n69RKRM?t=2611wtf they used to talk at the poker table
A lot of seething brokies in this thread.
>>220422761The easy way to think of it is that each individual hand is luck, but there are percentages of win/lose/draw and if you consistently play towards the winning percentage, over time you will be winning.Think of a weighted coin. Heads comes up juuust slightly more than tails. If you always bet on heads, you will eventually be ahead because you are sticking with the winning probability.Poker has the human aspect as well which can be manipulated to increase your chances.
Zoomers are safer and confused by poker. Maybe baltro helped fix this but last time I even mentioned poker to zoomers they were visibly uncomfortable
>>220422154I have friends who makes a living on poker and what he was telling me years back was he has one game that he was lucky to get into and that where he makes all his money. It's basically a game where the pros invite whales to take their money. I guess some dudes just like playing poker and the social aspect and will feed these guys endlessly.
>>220423783>saferthey're all addicted to crypto investing
>>220421678OH CAWD
>>220423693>what happens when you trust jews with your money
>>220423433Most pros are extreme degenerate gamblers outside of just poker and need every source of income they can get. Also, proper poker play will see you taking huge swings in the negatives at times. It's not glamorous at all.
>>220423815but that's online "social" influencing and not a face to face thing
>>220421678The 2000’s poker craze afforded me a new gaming rig but no one in my family will play me for money anymore.
>>220423806The high stakes private game ecosystem is sickening, the way to get invited while being a good player is to bring one or more suckers along with you whose only role is to get fleeced.So these guys will suck up to the rich businessman, pretend to be his friend, take him out to dinner etc. just so they can take his money at the tables.
>>220423836LAWD DEM POKARS DEM POKARS OF POWAH
>>220423806These are highly coveted and pretty secretive. Literally like what you see in movies like the Bond movie with poker. It's all nice and pretty, hot sluts hanging around etc to make the whales happy to be there. It'll be famous people, business tycoons etc who are ok losing the money as an experience with a chance trying to beat a pro. Lot of Asian whales too.
>>220423994NBA players and such are currently being investigated for this type of stuff. Being used as a famous person to bait in suckers.
>>220423841very true but i'm thinking the edge that pros have is so marginal that it's never enough to even make a proper living off of. pros are pretty well known in the community so are we to believe that these pros make a living off of playing each other? that doesn't even seem possible. they're addicted to easy money and one thing that makes it much easier is colluding and cheating. many "skilled" players, including this guy >>220423693 and people like doyle are not above cheating. >>220423879>>220423806collusion
>>220423994That's why you hear about Peter Parker in Molly's Game. These fuckheads aren't showing up because they made a ton of money playing poker, they show up because they have a ton of money and are about to lose a week's pay playing poker against the guys who play poker for 14 hours a day every day.
>>220424025Doyle was at least interesting. The fact that he made money in mob Vegas and literally wrote the book on poker in the 70's showed that he understood the game better than others. He played in the SOVL era where you couldn't just spend all day drilling odds on an app to memorize. You had to get out and play the game.
Foldsville.
>>220423063kek notice how he provided no proofs.
>>220421678>for me it's the 2000s poker craze on tvgood times. it's coming back 20 years later. Too bad online poker is way more fucked than it used to be. >>220422204>farhafor me, it's tony Ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_bq8lcWSmw&t=17s
>still no biopic starring Ed Norton
>>220424768>OF COURSE I LIED. IT'S POKER PHIL.
>>220424942>i hurt myself today
>>220421678Watching this guy's 2009 run was such a treat. RIP, king.
>>220421678I hated this and the shitty PS2 games that littered the bargain bins. I was looking for discounted copies of old games, not slop made to sell for $20.
>>220423561You really are a dummy aren't you anon? You didn't even post any of the interesting thoughts you took away from your link you just posted another website about other assholes talking.You are supposed to give "sources" to things YOU took away from other material not just put it there and be like see there's something in there that supports something.
I watched a ton of world series of poker during that time but it's tougher to watch now adays for one reason. I noticed the sound of them fiddling with their poker chips and I can't unnotice it and the constant clicking has become annoying as fuck to me
I once got so good at Blackberry poker that I folded either a Flush or a Full House I don't remember and the Ai had a Straight Flush. That was a great day in Anon history.
Knew dudes who would watch this shit as intense as a super bowl. never got it. I enjoyed playing it though.
used to put on poker after dark when going to bed in high school every night. good times
>>220423879Sounds about right. He also told me that he basically has to play a character at the table for the other players amusement. He had this bucket hat with fishing lures stuck in it and everything and the man does not fish.
Can we at least agree that friend games are fun until that one fag "learns" and breaks it up for everyone especially when he loses on AK with someone going all in on 4J and then goes on a tirade it's not how it's supposed to be played.
>>220426247I don't think it's a good friend game.. It's all about trying to deceive and take money from your friends
>>220426699But that's all the fun and after his all in you tell him I saw all through you hahahaha and it's not really true and I used to go out with your wife in high school. It's great.
>>220421678Texas Holdem is for brainlets. Only 5 card is acceptable.
>>220422709you're just a person who hasn't thought much about these things and have drawn a conclusion from the little to no information you have.Consider, for example a player who is scared money, so he doesn't play many hands and when he's in a hand, he's super passive unless he really has something. If you observe this. You exploit it by pushing him out of hands when he's not betting and getting out of his way when he does start putting money into the pot. You don't need 'good' hands, you just need to pretend that you have a better hand than what he does when he becomes passive. Because his frequencies are unbalanced, i.e. he plays his weak hands like weak hands and his strong hands like strong hands almost all the time, what he holds is basically face-up. That's what poker players do for a living, they hunt for bad players with consistent imbalances in their game and exploit them.
>>2204268385 card draw is kind of the baby version though
>>220421678I work at a poker room. AMA me anything.
>>220426913>he's super passive unless he really has something. If you observe this. You exploit it by pushing him out of hands when he's not betting and getting out of his way when he does start putting money into the pot.>That's what poker players do for a living, they hunt for bad players with consistent imbalances in their game and exploit them.there's simply not enough fish like this for so many professionals to make a living off of. >>220427260do you guys use house players to fill up tables? are they paid?
>>220427768online poker was already a miserable grind 10 years ago when I quit. Poker education, study tools, and botting were everywhere. I can only image what' it's like now
did anyone else here get really into zynga texas hold em on facebook back in the late 2000s? thats what caused my obsession with texas hold em, when i was in high school zynga got popular in around 2008, 2009, we were all playing it
>>220421678No respect for the guys who wear sunglasses
What killed the poker scene?
>>220427872it's still going, people are still playing it
>>220421678This shit is why I refuse to tell anyone in real life that one of my favorite movies is Rounders.
>>220427997whole bunch of websites popped up offering videos on strategy made by pros. Everyone became a halfway solid player and noobs, who in the past would have at least had some fun while they slowly losing money, now just started getting instantly fleeced and humiliated, never coming back, killing the poker economy.
