>So yeah, that's what the Matrix is. I hope this answers your question. Anyways, you are stuck now in post apocalyptic hell how now. Have a nice dayWow what a cunt. He could have just told him without unplugging him.
>>220431165Exactly what I always thought. Cypher did nothing wrong.
>>220431165>>220431197You know what keeps people in the real world? It's love. Cypher was a creep who didn't have anyone to love and that's why he betrayed them.
>>220431165Who's gonna believe anog?
>>220431213reddit is two blocks down
>>220431215He’s a bounty bar, white inside.
>>220431165>EAT THE SLOP>WEAR THE RAGS>LIVE IN A POD>RAVE WITH POC>AND YOU WILL BE FREE AND HAPPYFUCK YOU MORPHEUS PLUG ME BACK IN
>>220431269Just imagine the smell, constantly having shit stolen from you, constantly fights for no reason...Yeah I would have a snitched on Zions nigs too
>>220431213
>>220431165>He could have just told him without unplugging him.he tried to. They were going to drip feed him the truth but the agents were closing in
>>220431165He wouldn't have believed it. Nobody would.
>>220431213He loved Trinity but Trinity wouldn't give the time of day to a bald man and so he got blackpilled.
>>220431197>>220431213Cypher was correct that Morpheus tricked them into taking the red pill. "Nobody can be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself" is a bullshit sales pitch, you can certainly be told what it is. It would just be difficult to believe, but not out of the question once you've experienced crazy shit like your mouth being erased.That said, once you're out you're out. Cypher was a sucker for believing Morpheus and was a sucker again for believing the machines, they had no reason to keep their end of the deal. They've never plugged anyone back in after they'd been out before and had literally no reason to take a risk doing that when it would have been much safer to just kill Cypher after they got what they wanted out of him.
>>220431353So? No need to doom a person like that.
>>220431245>>220431318Why else would anyone choose to live in the real world if not to experience real emotions like love? There's literally no other reason to live there. The movie implies that he likes Trinity and is jealous she likes Neo instead. Like no other person has ever had feelings like he did? They would see someone's betrayal coming form a mile away when they joke about how shitty things are all the time and they don't even bother to make anything more pleasant. Like Cypher could've just loaded his own Matrix at any time and pretended to have the life he wanted.
>>220431245>>220431318You hate him because he spoke the truth. In the sequels, Zion is a tight nit community of people who are all suffering a terrible existence, but as families. In neighbourhoods where they trust each other and work together. Yes it’s partly because they know (or believe anyway) that they live in the real world. But it’s also because their husbands, wives, sons, daughters, cousins, parents, nieces and nephews live there too. And then there’s Cypher. No woman. No prospect of a woman and therefore no kids. No family (because he didn’t grow up here). Seemingly no friends. Stuck on a mission he volunteered for under false pretences, under a zealot of a commanding officer who has already worked through several dead false “ones”. He has no reason to believe Neo will actually be the one. He has no reason to believe the one is coming. He’s still an absolute traitor but Morpheus set him up for a short seething life of resentment before a violent death. Cypher was not only never going to be the one, he wasn’t even going to be particularly impressive or influential amongst the resistance. He was a pawn waiting for Morpheus to order him to die.
>>220431269never noticed these zesty fellas before
>>220431165derp>>220431197double derp>tell someone what the matrix is while they're still plugged in>agent takes over their body and kills morpheus etcdid you even watch the film?
>>220431541>agent takes over their body and kills morpheus etcWhy didn't they just do that anyways? Where does it say you can only be agentified once you learn about the matrix, we know that isn't the case. You're an absolute dumbass
>>220431379>they had no reason to keep their end of the deal.I would have still taken the chance because even if just die that's better than living in that bdsm dungeon hellhole with a tranny and a bunch groids and i would die knowing i got to kill them all. The machines would have no reason not to keep their end, they get one more battery out of it and it's not like they gain anything from just killing you.
>>220431443>Zion is a tight nit community of people who are all suffering a terrible existence, but as families. In neighbourhoods where they trust each other and work together.Like a city? in the matrix?>b-b-b-but it's not realI would rather live in animal crossing or zuckerberg's metaverse than picrel, fuck off
Morpheus says that they never pull anyone out after a certain age. Neo was what? Thirty years old? So big M was yanked Trinity out at 25 or younger. Very problematic
>>220431269This meme is really funny because it exposes how a lot of Anons are weaklings that can't handle the truth if it's just a little unpleasant.Same faggots talk about acceleration and wishing for society's collapse too.
>>220431673Trinity is the creeper. She's been cyberstalking Neo for a long time and probably watched him jack off.
>>220431782She couldnt consent
>>220431628Nah in the Matrix city they lived like modern disconnected bug people. Zion feels a little more like being a poor person in the depression era. All hanging around together and trying to get through the struggle together.
>you take the blue pill, you continue working, paying taxes and go on with your life>you take the Red pill, you find out the world is controlled by a handful of powerful jews with a grudge against white people, they've been manipulating academia and culture for a over a century, all races are not equal, blacks are born violent and dumb due to evolving in a warm climate, they are a different species altogether as they lack neanderthal DNA, women are useful idiots who mentally mature much earlier than men meaning their brains don't explore ideas into adulthood and they are essentially perpetual teenagers, your country is being flooded with Indians to inflate your GDP against your will because they will invest as family units rather than individuals and scam their way to success, they're also mostly all inbred
>>220431443>No family (because he didn’t grow up here)Because humanity is African and even more alien to him than the robots who present as white.
The sad part is that Zion wasnt even the real world. So they went from comfortable fake world to ebonics gutter fake world.
>>220431901>All hanging around together and trying to get through the struggle together.
>>220432026Yes that subtext is absolutely present. All the agents being not just white men, but white men who’d still look like undercover cops even if they dressed casual is the biggest sign.
>I'm from The Matrix & I think Zion SUCKS!
>>220432326Actually, now I think about it, that describes Neo too. Both the appearance and the character traits. He doesn’t really fit in with the “cool” alternate white people in the matrix, they just appreciate that he does any kind of computer crime, no questions asked. When he gets into the Matrix, he continues walking around with a short back and sides, jeans and a jacket, acting like a bemused white man. He stoically underacts to all the weirdness and struggles to understand the Oracle’s folksy inner city wisdom. She is forced to talk to him like he rode in to visit her on the short bus.In the sequels, he is dressed up in a religiously inspired outfit, and that’s how the ethnically diverse people of Zion have accepted him. Because he can bend the reality of the matrix to his whim, and annihilate even upgraded agents with ease he’s invited to the rave. Possibly even the cookout. They are so magnanimous they even let him have an alt white sex pet gf. But he still doesn’t really fit in. His awkward, clipped, new caster style delivery is still most at home sharing a scene with Smith. A literal robot. Still though. Would he have wanted to stay amongst these people if he didn’t get to skip his way up to the maximum power level immediately, and get to be revered as a cyber punk messiah of kung fu? What if, after a long day of eating tasty wheat in his rusty hovercraft there was no Trinity puss to pound? I doubt it. Chance made Neo what Cypher wasn’t.
>>220431628So you’re agreeing with Cypher? The matrix sucks? I mean, yeah.
>>220431379>why would they honor the deal?Why wouldn't they? He'll be another battery.
>>220432480If they’ve already programmed in that base reality, slotting him back into it in a new position should be pretty simple too. I always thought the “Mr Reagan” line was on the nose though.
>>220431213OOOOOO IM BOUTTA GET SOME LOVE FROM MY HOMIE TONIGHT
>>220431379machines dont have ego and thus not susceptible to human "being cunt for the sake of it" bullshit
>>220432504The people of Zion being completely accepting of all races and sexualities might have been an interesting concept if the people in the Matrix weren’t. But the Matrix was set in the real world 90’s. I think if you told Thomas Anderson you were gay inside the Matrix he’d just say:>whoa. cool. whoa
>>220431379>they never plugged anyone back inIsn't that exactly what kept happening everytime there was an anomaly? The architect said he's like the 7th neo or whatever and they always get to save a handful of people and restart zion until the next anomaly pops up. Neo's were planned for and all the previous ones chose to save a few people in the inevitability that zion was destroyed so that humanity still had a chance.Not because they beat the machines, but because the machines recognize some necessity for entropy and they keep tightening the heuristic every cycle.tl;dr, they absolutely plugged people back in.
>>220431589I don’t think the people who got “Agentified” were actual people. Given that the machines had created a facsimile of the late 20th century world, that would have to mean one of two things: 1) they have somewhere in excess of 6 billion humans “podded,” or; 2) the majority of “people” in the Matrix are NPCs, little different than the pigeons and other animal programs in the Matrix.
i'm a humanistzion is home
>>220432577They were actual people. If youre in a pod the agents can hijack your matrix persona thats the entire point
>>220431197>I want to be plugged back into the Matrix as a millionaire celebrity but I also I don't want to remember anything from before.What's the point? Just kill yourself. Even if the machines honor the deal (they won't) that amazing life might as well be someone else's.
The matrixs is izaki
>>220431215If he performs a 20 meters, I will believe whatever he says
>>220431379>They've never plugged anyone back inAccording to the Wachowskis yes, they would have honoured their word and plugged him back in.
>>220431269WAAAAAAAAALT!
>>220433149*20 meters jumpBut yeah, it shouldn't be too hard for Morpheus to convince people that Matrix is not real
>>220431901>Zion feels a little more like being a poor person in the depression era.Sure, if everyone in your city was gay and brown.
>>220431379>>220433102If they want more traitors follow Cypher, they will surely hold their sides of dealsI mean ultimately they want a humanity that accepts matrix, Cypher is the perfect human for them.
>>220432966So they have 6 billion pods in their Machine City? Remember - it’s not presented as if the machines have transformed Earth into “Cybertron.” Most of the world is a nuclear winter wonderland. It’s more like there’s the Machine City and their power supply of people pods and there’s Zion. My take is that there’s maybe a few ten millions of people alive, possibly much fewer.
>>220433194>black guy is good at athletics so I'll believe anything he saysI don't think this a safe way to live your life
>>220433400Yeah but if he could perform a task that no black guy can, like swimming or jumping for 20 meters, that would shatter the illusion
>>220431752Yeah that one guy who says everything you don’t like sure is weird
>>220432577Or “the matrix” is just the one city, and they have 5-10 million humans in the matrix, and 250k in zion.
>>220433877That’s possible, and I freely grant that it’s also possible that they just didn’t put that much thought into it, but you still have to account for the hints of other languages, other cultures, and historical references like the Merovingian’s name. If you kept that much of our culture and history and then *didn’t* simulate the whole world, you’d start running into the sort of problems that the aliens had with the humans in Dark City.
>>220431269>DIG THROUGH THE DITCHES>BURN THROUGH THE WITCHES>SLAM IN THE BACK OF MY DRAGULA
>>220433998>you’d start running into the sort of problems that the aliens had with the humans in Dark City.you mean like people being conscious that the matrix wasn't real, necessitating the creation and support of a "resistance" who will pull people out if they're rejecting the matrix?its clearly you not putting much thought into this.
>>220434120The aliens in Dark City were actively intervening into the lives of everyone in the whole city on a regular basis, swapping around personalities and memories. There’s no suggestion that the machines are doing that in the Matrix, hence my assertion that they’ve got a far more stable simulation. And I’ll go one further: if the Ahents really can just overwrite anyone anywhere that’s plugged in, why do they only choose their own security forces, hoboes, and randos on the street instead of just overwriting the people they’re after?
>>220431379If you were told what the Matrix is, the system would likely have you become an Agent's puppet.
>>220434120>>220434187And furthermore, if overwriting humans was something any agent was capable of at any time, why was Smith doing it treated like such a big deal? Seems to me like they’d have been doing that all the time so they could send spies into Zion.
>>220434187maybe watch the movie sometime.
>>220433358People pods don't take much space, you can fit 6 billion into one city easy.
>>220434256I’ve literally lost count of how many times I’ve watched the trilogy. How about you stop deflecting from my “poorly considered” conjecture. Or if you don’t have an answer, at least have the fucking sack to admit it.
>>220434317So why are you asking questions about shit that is explicitly stated in the film?
>>220434341Go ahead and tell me where they explicitly state that the Agents can overwrite anyone.
>>220434355>or were you looking at the woman in red dress?
>>220434381That’s not even in the fucking Matrix, for starters, and Morpheus only says that they *can* be anyone. That’s not the same thing as saying that they *are* everyone, just that they have no way of knowing. If they truly, literally can overwrite human beings at any time, then, like I pointed out in >>220434230, Smith had no reason to ever fight Morpheus or anyone else. Trinity would have gotten overwritten on her way to that first phone booth. Smith wouldn’t have needed to torture Zion’s codes out of Morpheus. He could have just overwritten him like he did with Bane and waited for them to change the codes. Smith being able to overwrite other sapient programs and people is treated as something unprecedented and dangerous, and that tells me that it wasn’t something the programs were generally capable of.
>>220434473>the scene explaining what the agents can do isn't in the matrix so uh...anon you're just really fucking stupid. watch the scene again.
>>220431379>sucker again for believing the machines, they had no reason to keep their end of the dealThe Machines had no reason to NOT keep their side of the deal. It costs them nothing, they gain another processor, and it sets a precedent that gives an incentive for other humans to betray Zion if they might get plugged back in if they learn about what happened to Cypher (maybe while in a trip to the Matrix someone sees him there living a normal life, and rumors spread, etc).
>>220434514all the moreso by making him famous and important, an actor.
>>220434526Yea they might have done it even if he didn't ask for it, to advertise what nice life people might be able to get if they choose to betray Zion and make a deal with the Machines.
>>220434508Let’s watch it together:https://youtu.be/YgJ5ZEn67tk>They are everyone and no one>Anyone we haven’t unplugged is potentially an agentUntil they unplug you, until they know that you *can* be unplugged, you might just be software, and therefore potentially an agent. All those other people in that program are just software, and yeah, if you pay attention to what Morpheus says, he actually draws a distinction between people who are so dependent on the system that they’ll fight for it and the Ai programs. They’re the two dangers they face in the Matrix, but they’re two distinct dangers.
>>220434655so retard, what's your question then?
>>220434694Instead of putting a bug in Neo’s belly button, why didn’t they just overwrite him? Seems like that would have solved all their problems.
>>220434473Trinity and Morpheus were unplugged/not in a pod. They couldn't be hijacked.
>>220434758and what "problems" are those?
>>220434773Oh, things like catching Morpheus or Smith getting the codes to Zion’s mainframe. I mean, why go through the charade of walking through all those cubicles to “find” Neo if they can just overwrite him from “God Mode” like we see Smith do with that hobo, or the old lady, or the yuppie? Just as a reminder - my entire point remains that not everyone in the Matrix is a real person, and it’s those programs that the Agents can seize.
>>220434843>my entire point remains that not everyone in the Matrix is a real person, and it’s those programs that the Agents can seize.Which is contradicted by the movie itself. "Bots" aren't introduced until the fourth one.
>>220434843Morpheus literally says that anyone still plugged in, can be hijacked. You are wrong
>>220434908Then why didn’t they just hijack Neo instead if bugging him?
>>220434926You mean before or after they just want to talk to him, after they bug him and there's a gun on him or is there some other situation you've imagined where they'd just pop an agent on top of neo before he gets unplugged?
>>220434926They wanted Neo to lead them to morpheus, they had no reason to hijack his body
>>220434970Oh, so erasing your mouth and bugging your navel is just how they carry on a conversation? Neo was a means to an end to Smith, et al., at that point. They were after Morpheus. So why not go to that meeting *as* Neo instead of bugging him?
>>220435034The agenta literally override peoples physical form. They cant put on a Neo skinsuit dude
>>220435034The real question is what specific type of brain damage causes you to decide something that wasn't shown once in any of the movies is possible.
>>220435101Oh, so they can arbitrarily overwrite your appearance with their own, erase your mouth, and drop cybernetic bugs into your abdomen that apparently repair the damage they do to your tissue, but they can’t choose to look like you because reasons?
>>220435099Why not?
>>220435164>nooo my headcanon is real stop laughing at me
>>220435196So what’s the reason they can’t then?
>>220435184Because youre literally making up powers
>Why didnt Mr. Smith use a kamehameha to defeat Neo in the subway?
>>220435233So you’re telling me that a sentient program lacks the horsepower to self-determine or rewrite its own appearance?
>>220435254The writers didnt give them that ability so apparently they dont.
>>220431752Accelerationists never realize that getting out of the suck is orders of magnitude more difficult than getting into the suck
>>220431165He's the one. Can't take that chance
>>220435293we are in the suck. there is literally no way out except more suck. every system is gamed and every means of organization is subverted.
Why didnt they place armed guards over every single pod and shoot anyone who tries to get in? Bravo Tolkien
>>220435254to stop making fun of you, the agents are limited in their capabilities by the rules of the matrix, as explicitly stated near the end of the same "woman in red scene." Also reinforced by the end of morpheus fighting neo. Also further reinforced by "upgraded" agents in reloaded just being swole.
Sudden influx of YouTube clickbait videos>Why The Architect was always right!>The Oracle was actually the villain>Things you didn't notice the first time you saw The Matrix>What The Matrix ACTUALLY is
>>220435600I hope they make a Matrix tv show prequel about a black trans hero who stops the evil Architect
In the end, did humanity win? Was Zion itself another layer?
>>220432880Depends on the humans, faggot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFTmiAx7R48This is the only video you need to watch about the matrix
>>220435386Kek.
>>220431165What's a "hell how?"
>>220435481Those rules seem rather arbitrary if they include “mouth erasure - other” but not “polymorph - self.”
>>220435702Either way we lose. The earth is a radioactive shithole. If Neo "wins" and wakes up all the humans, theres no enough space for them in Zion. So Neo needs the Matrix to stay working, to keep those humans fed and alive
>>220435702>Was Zion itself another layer?I’ve always thought so.
>>220435905okay, back to making fun of you>why didn't the agents just cast locatio to find morpheus
>>220435950The best part is they do precisely that to find Neo in the subway. That is, unless that “hobo” was just a surveillance program instead of an actual dude, which remains my point.
>>220435905The agents are shown to have limitations. Morpheus nearly beats Smith in the bathroom, Neo out thinks the agents, surprising them with a helo air assault, agents require time to arrive at locations (Mr Smith saying he told the police to wait for him before going in after Trinity).
>>220435997... no, "they" go to the trainman's boss and get his boss to let neo out of the trainman's little pocket matrix.You really need to stop thinking you're remotely intelligent.
>>220435600In the creator section there's an AI that suggest what topics and videos to cover for the algorithm, it basically writes out the script for you
>>220433149White basketball fans are something else kek Spud Webb should have become a cult leader
>>220436009I know I’m just arguing my own headcanon here, but let me use that Trinity scene as evidence in my favor. Drawing from the Woman in Red scene, the reason that Smith has to have them wait (in my mind) is because those local cops are actually humans (those immersed in the system) as opposed to the “Fed”-coded Agents. He had to find a nearby program he could hijack and had to load in some transportation to maintain the Matrix’s verisimilitude. I know he “breached masquerade” later in the scene, but he only did so because he thought it would be worth it. From my perspective, a lot of the Agents’ limitations are self-imposed to a degree, “rules” that they abide by to maintain the illusion. That’s what makes the One such a threat to the simulation. He’ll bend/break rules with the express purpose of tearing that veil.
>>220436052Time to get off your intellectual high horse, dipshit. https://youtu.be/mZVsVQwlc9Y
>>220436249if you think having a functional memory is "being on an intellectual high horse," then you must feel insecure quite often.
>>220431984>and then you still continue working, paying taxes and go on with your life
>>220436359If your memory’s so functional, why did you think I was talking about a completely different character who has an actual name? Or maybe it’s just your powers of deduction that are sorely lacking. Either way, that clip’s your “locatio.” Please do feel free to shove it directly up your ass. Maybe it’ll help squeeze out some of that false sense of superiority.
>>220436472the trainman sequence would be the only case where they couldn't find neo in the matrix by just watching the matrix feed. do you enjoy being called stupid after displaying your stupidity or something?
stop arguing, pls
When the machines grew the humans, did they grow them with vaginas and penines? Because if they didn't.. Then how are normal humans born IRL like Tank and Dozer?
>>220436545Oh, so now the programs can just watch this “feed?” Then why do they need Neo to find Morpheus? Oh! And check this one oit:If the programs can just overwrite anyone at any time, why don’t they just overwrite everyone with the pigeon program at birth? Problem solved, right?
>>220436716anon, you're just damaging your brain by continuing this. i get to dismiss you as stupid. while your brain will just more efficiently execute stupid thoughts.
>>220436764I accept your concession.
>>220436786>why didn't mr smith just use ava kevadra on mr anderson
>>220436816>why didn’t the faggot just answer the fookin question?
>>220436841no ones trolled bro
>>220436874Kek. “Trolling?” I asked you a question in good faith and you ducked it like the chickenshit you are. You have no answer. I know it and so does anyone else who might read this. Given enough time, I have every faith you’ll arrive at that conclusion yourself, bullshit Potter analogies notwithstanding. And to think you could have spared yourself the embarrassment by no more than simply admitting the possibility that maybe, MAYBE, the machines weren’t capable of overwriting humans willy-nilly, but no, you had to doggedly cling to that ridiculous notion out of nothing but ego. Now here we are - me asking pigeon questions and you giving ostrich responses.
>>220437225I'll just take comfort in the fact every post means you're losing an IQ point.
>why didn't the agents just have the eagles find morpheus??
>>220431165Why can't everyone have their own personal matrix world? No way 100% of humans rejected the luxury version of the matrix. People are lazy and don't want to work if they aren't forced to. So why stick everyone in some gritty urban city with a boring 9 to 5
There's an AI program that looks like an old chainsmoking black lady. This program knows the future and tells humans about it.The truth is humans are extinct long ago and the only scarce resource is interesting stories. Every person that exists is just the AI hivemind exploring scenarios based on history.
>>220437350that's on the same level as "its all a dream" or "dead the whole time.
>>220437263I’m new to this MTG-based method of debate scoring. Is that how you ended up so … special?
>>220437294I dont think the other guy has seen the movie.
>>220437441That's the sad part. He has.
>>220437441They don’t need eagles, just hoboes.
>>220437380Explain these retarded movies without it all being a clanker dream.
>>220437701you can watch them
>>220437733I did and they were all a dream.
>>220432519did you even watch the movie doofus
if you die in the matrix you die for real
>>220434187agents can take over anyone plugged in (bluepilled), this is explicitly said. they dont do it bc the arent aware of hackers automatically, since that they are illicitly injected signals. Also this is why they always do the earpiece thing when they catch up to them (updating other agents).As for neo specifically they chose to bug him to track the Nebuchadnezzar rather than agent him
>>220431379For the same reason they consider killing random cops fine, they consider ambiguity fine when it comes to the red pill. You can only know so much before you're a dangerous loose end. In fact they might even kill people who take the blue pill. We never see anyone take it. If you're curious enough to do what Neo did and start looking into shit yourself, you're going to keep looking after you take it. Cypher is wrong because he did take the red pill and now he doesn't want to know. That's the worst least trustworthy kind of person and when he woke up after the plugged him back in hed have started noticing weird shit again and sought answers again. He is the kind of guy that knows something is wrong but would rather just ignore it and pretend it's fine. So he's a boomer.
>>220432504Cypher probably decided to betray humans after going to one of these
>>220435762That's not how it works. Plus it's ironic how none of the non white are raping nor looting or shit while Cypher betrayed his friends like a loser.
>>220438226>The mind makes it real.>It is the mental projection of your digital self.>batterieswtf u talking about chocolate man?
>>220438280They do it all the time all the cops are people. They just get raped and body swapped as do normies whenever it is convenient. Someone that is offered the red pill and doesn't take it is a loose end and people like that will still try to figure things out in a roundabout half assed way.
>>220438289Nah. Morpheus tricked Cypher.
>>220438289Or cypher wasn’t actually rejecting the matrix, just had a problem with authority, which he kept having after getting unplugged. There’s a deleted bit in the script, which is still partially there with “we’re gonna kill him,” about there being others that Morpheus was sure was the one. In the context of the rest of the movies, the oracle was feeding “losers” to Morpheus in hopes of getting someone who wasn’t “the one” to refuse to restart the cycle.
>>220438345Yes he did but sometimes you gotta do that. Cypher would've spent a few years in his pod and then wouldn't be able to help himself and stared being a noticer again. And he'd have wound up doing it because part of the Matrix is were helpless against our human nature it's why the entire thing keeps collapsing over and over again. He'd have ignored reality being fake for awhile but inevitably he'd reach a point where he'd try to figure out why reality was fake.
>>220438310i feel like you replied to the wrong post
>>220438394The joke is people are much less likely to have any problem with reality if their lives are comfortable and easy. buddhism was created by people who suffered so much they started pretending reality isn’t real.
>>220431165I'd be so wary that this was an elaborate prank. Probably until I woke up emaciated and half blind on a ship.
>>220438394The Matrix was a better life than Zion.
>>220438425The pill choice isn't real, it's a binary option because your brain either is comfortable with the matrix or it isn't. Cypher wasn't so he took the pill. By taking the red pill a single time Cypher was not comfortable knowing reality was fake so if he'd gotten what he allegedly wanted he'd have wound up in the same place.
>>220438425Buddhism was created by a spoiled prince who never knew suffering until he willingly exposed himself to it. The robot guy talks about how without suffering humans rejected the fantasy.
As with any thread regarding The Matrix, I must take it upon myself to remind everyone that the red pill has zero enlightening qualities in-of itself and is nothing more than a tracker for others else to grab you and show you what they want you to see. The "redpilled" fancying themselves free thinkers rather than marks for grifters is nothing but irony.
>>220438460You're a deeply evil person, a servant of the devil. You have no idea what is good.
>>220438484He says that’s just his theory. He’s not an authority and is just as confused as anyone about what’s going on.
>>220438549Enjoy living in the nigger caves
>>220438425Cypher is the worst kind of person. He made his decisions and then tried to fuck everyone else over because he wasn't happy with them. He wouldn't be happy or satisfied anywhere. His inner nature is fuck everyone else, it doesn't matter who or why so long as I get to be comfortable. If you think that's based or something you're just a faggot. Cypher was a faggot who complains all day but the moment it requires any real effort to fix something he shuts down and wants to go sit in a spiritual cuck chair.
>>220438609Oh noez imagine living in a high trust society where everyone gets along, works to do their part, supports each other, and enjoys large community events together. Ack some of my neighbors have brown skin! Don't they know how fragile I am and i'll break down and cry at the sight of brown skin?! I'm shidding and farding myself Reeeeee!
>>220438478The choice system (read: not the pills) is based upon giving people the subconscious choice of whether to accept the matrix or not. Upon being plugged back into the matrix, cypher would be subconsciously aware it was better than anything else.
>>220432577>1) they have somewhere in excess of 6 billion humans “podded,” or; 2) the majority of “people” in the Matrix are NPCs, little different than the pigeons and other animal programs in the Matrix.This was always the question I had when i was a kid. I figured that there wereA: Agents, just programsB: The discarded programs with the marovingian which were the old agentsC: Real people with real consciousnesses in podsMy assumption was that everybody else was in group C and that all the cops and swat and stuff were people which is why they're amazed when they see things like smith jump or neo's guns
>>220438548>get grifted in the matrix>get grifted in the real worldWhat does it matter anymore
>>220438609It's our only hope to secure a future for white children.
>>220438624The other joke is “I don’t like feeling like I’m not in control of my life,” is something cypher could’ve also easily said.
>>220438724There were like ten white people in zion. And even if you free enough people, once you start breeding you run out of space. Mankind nuked the planet remember
It makes it easier to understand this “plug me back in” sentiment when you realize the site is stuffed with browns and being plugged into the matrix would upgrade them to the status of resource, from trash.
>>220431165isnt it worse to keep living thinking a robot might be molesting your sleeping body?
>>220438883you’re being molested right now
>>220438798Geothermal and nuclear energy can grow food anywhere. Our black brothers will understand our superior race needs Lebensraum somewhere far away from their gay orgies.
>>220438924https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pqOX5lfJI
>>220438883If she's a cute robot, then I'm ok with it. I'll even buy my ai waifu flowers
>>220438698I think it’s likely that the local/state police are a mixture of people and NPCs with the “Feds” being exclusively Agents.
>>220439554u r dumb
Why didnt he just show him The Matrix on DVD?
>>220440003It wasn't released yet
>>220439960What’s so crazy about it? It’s a gnostic allegory and gnostics considered the real world a micture of people and NPCs.
>>220434514I believe this as well I think they are trying to demonstrate they are morally superior in a effort to be more authentic. For example when Neo meets the final real form of the computer thingy in the third movie its basically human in persona.
>>220431379Cypher hates them anyways. He's living out his fantasy by killing them and he's living out his fantasy by pretending he's going to get to be a famous movie star.
>>220431628>I would rather live in animal crossing or zuckerberg's metaverse than picrel, fuck offSo you'd be in the 99.9% of people who accept the matrix and never get unplugged to begin with
>>220431269>>220431459>>220431628>>220432504>Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?
>>220431213What is love?
>>220442975Does the blue pill just kill them? Wouldn’t it be a threat to leave a NPC type alive after having them seen the agents and that bellybutton squid tracker thing, or Mr Anderson is just grabbed by the agents eventually and .50cal deleted.
>>220443082That's exactly why Morpheus doesn't explain himself. He offers knowledge that anyone who winds up in that chair would want while sitting across from him. It took a lot for Neo to meet him in person.
>>220433758???Cypher would've jumped through the same hoops Neo did to get to meet Morpheus. Those hoops are implicit consent. Are you one of those dumbass foids who think the woman has to say YES I WANT COCK IN MY VAGINA EXPLICITLY before you're allowed to stick it in them? Because that is what the entire Cypher is right argument boils down to. An autistic shitfit a person in that position has no right to demand or he wouldn't be there in the first fucking place.
>>220443082Why would it? They’d think it was just a dream and shrug it off, same as neo thought all his agent encounters were dreams.
>>220443527Man, that one guy who says/thinks everything you don’t like is a weirdo
>>220443940Man, that one guy who says/thinks everything you don’t like is a weirdo
Truth > anything else.If the real world is a shithole, I'd still rather live there than on some fake paradise. Choosing manufactured comfort over the truth is a cuckold bugtoid mentality.
>>220431379the machines can't lie retard
>>220444704They can lie. They take pride in not lying though since that's a despicable human trait and they are above that behavior.
>>220444310The point is you came up with three desperate narratives and atrocities then to the same person who doesn’t exist outside your head.
>>220444959When did they lie? And I mean openly lie. Not let someone come to their own conclusions by what they said or didn’t say, outright lie.
>>220431165What the fuck...?!
>>220443082>You take the blue pill. The story ends and you wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.I think the blue pill pretty much makes them forget everything and they think it was all just a dream
>NEEOOOOOOOOOOO
How does reproduction work in the matrix? I assume that in the 'real' world the machines just grow new humans in a vat or something but in the matrix I assumed that a child was a real person and the parents raising that child were real people as well. When two people in the matrix have sex is there a specific machine consciousness that determines whether the woman will get pregnant based on whether or not they need more humans in a pod? Your appearance in the matrix is accurate to what you really look like so are newborn babies assigned to parents of the same race or do the machines take genetic material from parents in order to grow the baby in a vat? Can you get pregnant in the real world from having sex in the matrix in the same way your body can bleed/be hurt in the real world if you are hurt in the matrix?
>>220431607>and i would die knowing i got to kill them all.What the fuck, dude?
>>220445769a man and a woman fuck and the machines roll a dice for pregnancy and then the machines randomize their chromosomes to determine a child and the woman feels pregnant despite a new clone being grown at the farms.This is not complicated.
>>220445769I imagine the machines are somewhat benevolent where they dont do any eugenics or denial, if two people fuck in the matrix they would just accommodate the outcome and hook it up to a vat, then program the baby.exe to come out in the matrix when they've installed the plugs and stuff.
>>220445818>>220445835So reproduction does use the genetic material of the real parents despite the parents never actually fucking in reality? That just seems like more work than necessary and does make the machines seem more benevolent than I would have assumed.
I still don't get how Neo Anderson had magical powers outside of the matrix.
>>220445904Just assumptions based on what we know.The first matrix' were failures because they were too perfect, humans could tell they were in the matrix and rejected it.So a lesson the machines would have learned is you don't fuck with realism, humans can tell something ain't right if two Chinese people fuck and the result is a Southern hillbilly with blond hair and 3 more foot clearance by 16 yrs old
>>220445915WifiNeo is basically a smart phone outside the Matrix
>>220431165What makes it even worse is the architect admits that they let the humans and the one happen because the system needs resetting. So its all pointless and repeats endlessly, by design.
>>220445915Zion is another layer of matrix for people who rejected the main one, where they play a new game of 'sweaty porridge eaters dancing in caves'. Because they rejected the matrix, this new game of them rejecting the matrix is one they actually accept and stay plugged into.
>>220445904Anon the machines have the gene profiles of both the parents. This isn’t rocket surgery.
>>220446142For an individual pregnancy no it isn't. But there are complications that I suspect you haven't thought of. If the pregnancy is terminated due to actions in the matrix is the fetus just executed in reality as well? That seems wasteful. If the mother takes up smoking and booze while pregnant do the machines give the baby Fetal Alcohol Syndrome?I fully understand that the machines are capable of doing what you describe but it seems like way more effort than is necessary and would require the growing of humans to be dictated by the humans not the machines which seems counterproductive to the whole point of the matrix in the first place.
>>220446220You're over complicating things anon.Every baby is a test tube baby.They harvest eggs from women and suck the cum out of guys when needed, combine the two and grow the fetus, 9 months later when it's ready to be born they graft on the plugs to the baby, seal it up in goo and plug it into the matrix as it is "born" virtually.If something happens in the matrix then they would just abort the fetus.It's never inside anyone.
>>220437407Kek>>220437441They never have
>>220431213If I woke up and the world was 90% brown people whose only known ritual was bongo orgies I would side with the computers
DO NOT HEED ROBOT PROPAGANDA.DO NOT ABIDE ROBOT PROPANGDA.MANKIND WILL PREVAIL.
>>220431165>Hell how now>Brown cow
>>220432403lmao
>>220431213Are you saying that Mouse's love for his lady in the red dress was enough to keep him going despite the constant hell of the Real?
>>220446717Well Zion is clearly going to be full of nerdy hackers jacking off to furry SFM animations they coded themselves
>>220447056Where do they even get the parts for processors and shit?
>>220447106I guess the sentinels that are flying around, unless the machine city is in the deep stages of capitalism and the sentinels have to stream their processing power over the cloud monthly subscription.
>>220447191oh yeah that makes sense, it's adding insult to injury to take down the robots with their own gear as well (not that they'd care)
>>220431353>>220431269>>220431197>>220431165It's not Morpheus' job or mission to make fighters happy. And fighters are what they are to him. He is fighting a war, searching for a key weapon that will give his sode the edge. The mission is intended to free all humans so that they can make a REAL world that is not shit. He is hoping to create an opportunity for the ancestors of living people to be happy in a future of human freedom. Is your food not flavorful enough for you? Are you le sad that you have to fight and contribute or be left behind? That's too fuckin bad, cry Morpheus a river. Most of humanity is being IV fed base ingredients while trapped in pods and if you're jealous of them you are less than useless to humanity. At that point, who in the entire world would give a shit that you were heckin dissatisfied with the lack of amenties?
>>220433586>Tank, download swimming driver>still drowns>Neo: You think that's water you're actually swallowing?
