Why was Leno's Tonight Show so much more successful than Coco's?
>>220435894>I'm a pervert*stares at camera and shakes hair*Conan was a comedic genius that america just wasn't ready for.
>>220435894Because Conan is a geek who was never a standup and just lucked into his role and somehow felt he was owed a promotion even though nobody (the actual viewers, I mean) wanted Jay Leno to leave his show.
>>220435894Because it was better
>>220435960>nobody (the actual viewers, I mean) wanted Jay Leno to leave his showSoi gen Xers did but not many of them watch late night TV. Network fucked over Jay because the younger demographic is more lucrative.
>>220435960>Only I may dance
>>220435894Because Conan didn't get the chance to build an audience like Jay did. They were going to cancel Conan on Late Night too, but they had no one to replace him, so he stayed and subsequently built an audience that all advertisers want.
>>220435894Leno was on at 11:30 and Conan was on at 12:30
>>220435894Because it was better. And Conan was better on Late Night. Blunders all round
>>220437519>Because Conan didn't get the chance to build an audience like Jay did.He had years to do that on TBS. He's just doesn't have broad appeal. Tough shit but he crippled his career by pursuing a job he wasn't fit for. Probably would have been better in the long run as the lead writer.
>>220437594Conan's Tonight Show was on at 4:30 in the afternoon
>>220438574He would have been a pretty good show runner
>>220435894Conan worked with stoners, night owls, and college kids because his humor was so “out there”. When he moved to Tonight Show, he lost a lot of his New York guys (which included the likes of Louis CK and Robert Smigel), losing a lot of the crazy energy of Late Night, and he was still too weird for the grandmas who went to bed when Leno ended.
>>220435894It was on 90 minutes earlier with the lead on of the 11pm news.
>>220438589The nightly talk shows are all filmed that early, typically Leno would wrap the Tonight Show by 5:30 and be in Vegas by 8 for a Stand up set at 9 or 10 every night, that's how he got so rich.
>>220435894Conan has the charisma of a dish rag
>>220435894Broader and appealed to older demographics at a time younger demographics were leaving TV for streaming and YouTube. Conan was always a tall awkward middle class Harvard Boy who never had the broad appeal of the Dorito's Shill whose hobbies are loving his wife and driving classic cars around LA. Conan famously had a pretty mundane car despite being educated, wealthy and from money.
>>220435894Why do people hate Leno so much?
>>220438995He represents the Bland Center of Comedy
>>220435894Boomers wanted sensible chuckles that put them to sleep, not real comedy or interesting interviews.
>>220437519it was largely this. basically, every time there's a new late night talk show host, after an initial viewership peak for their first couple of weeks, it drops below whatever the previous host's baseline was and then slowly builds up. there were other factors too, like local NBC affiliates being pissed that leno's new show was cutting into their news numbers and forcing them to switch up their programming schedules. and ofc it was always going to be an uphill battle for conan, because the tonight show timeslot was for the olds and his style of humor was not well-suited for that demo>>220438995he lost a lot of good standing with the public for his perceived role in the tonight show debacle
>>220438995He was perceived as being a milquetoast no-talent, which eventually gained meme status until other comedians started saying that Leno gave them a break and helped them out in their careers in some way or another. A lot of his contemporaries have positive things to say about Leno, contrast that with Letterman who isn't well-liked today.>>220439596>he lost a lot of good standing with the public for his perceived role in the tonight show debacleNo one gave a shit about that. They viewed Conan as shoving Leno out the door because he wanted the Late Show job so bad. Then when he got it he wasn't funny and no one watched it, affirming that Leno was the talent all along
>>220438574>He had years to do that on TBS.>on TBS
>>220437459basking in the humorous nature of your post :) muah
>>220439714>No one gave a shit about that. They viewed Conan as shoving Leno out the door because he wanted the Late Show job so bad.Check out this revisionist nonsense. 99.9% of the people were on Conan's side. This isn't even debatable.
NBC offered to move the Tonight Show to New York, but Conan refused because he felt that the show's "legacy" was in LA. As a result, he lost a bunch of his writers who weren't interested in moving across the country, and many of the new writers (ex: Deon Cole) were just not very funny. Conan is good at conversational improv, but the whole ordeal made me realize that he doesn't understand comedy at all, and only got carried by his writers in New York.
>>220438995Because he won
>>220439875>and only got carried by his writers in New York.ah yes who could forget the writers strike shows, you know, the best Late Night ever was.
>>220439714>No one gave a shit about that.were you still soup in your daddy's balls when it happened or something? the tonight show controversy was huge news, THE news, and virtually everyone was on conan's side. not to mention the move from leno to conan was literally announced 5 years in advance by leno himself, retard
>"Conan, it's yours! See you in five years, buddy!"
>>220439924Is this why incels hate Stav?
Late Night with Conan O'Brien was so good in the 2000's. Remember the Mike Huckabee beef and when he found out he looked like the Finnish PM, flew over there then tried to get into Faggerstrom's apartment?This was the very first meme I ever saw when I first came to 4chan in very early 2009https://coughagain.ytmnd.com/
>>220439812He had his chance>>220439858>>220440109samefag
I started watching Leno at 13. He was great. He had a charisma and confidence about his humor and could easily dissolve any cringe or embarrassing situation. Conan has this self deprecating style and lacked confidence in his jokes. I remember being annoyed how he'd say something funny and go "uhhhhhh" after it constantly. He was too afraid to let a joke sit in the air and fail and shrug it off like Leno. He got better I think, but I just prefer Lenos personality
Leno is peak boomerHe's so boomer he even collects shitty boomer cars
>>220439924yeah its this
>>220439858If people had been on conans side they would have watched his show.
>>220435894>jay tentatively agrees to give conan the tonight show in 2009>2009 comes and jay starts getting antsy>starts sucking zucker's cock in exchange for still being in NBC's nighttime rotation>gets a half-assed version of his show at 10pm which bombs spectacularly>people turn off the channel which leads to bad ratings for 11pm local news affiliates>affiliates complain to NBC to get rid of leno's dogshit show>jay runs back to higher ups to suck their cock>higher ups tell conan he can move to 12am so leno can get his 11:30pm spot back>conan walks>conan is somehow the bad guyyes, jay won though
>>220441132Jay got out just as the wave was breaking for late night shows and regularly beat his competition for years. Conan wedged his foot in the door of a dying format and wasn't accepted. Seems obvious who won
>>220441210> Conan wedged his foot in the door of a dying format and wasn't accepted. did you fucking ignore the whole part about jay's 10pm show being dogshit leading to bad local news ratings which in turn caused conan's ratings to suffer? holy shit you leno stans are insufferable.
>>220441279Yeah, and Conan had no chance of winning them back. Sorry if you're a fan and it upsets you, but it's true. He' just lackluster and doesn't have what it takes to be a late night host, likely due to not having experience as a stand-up.
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>>220435894Leno didn't have Johnny Carson torpedoing his show.
>>220435894Conan's humorr was for younger Gen Xers and millennials who were raised on more out there and absurdist humor inspired by shit like National Lampoon (not just the movies but a lo of Simpsons wrters, including Conan, came from there). Leno was for boomers and silents whose idea of funny was Johnny Carson doing a banal Great Carnac bit.
>>220435894Conan was kind of sabotaged by the content restrictions of the earlier timeslot and not being able to bring over most of his writers from the old show.
Tonight Show is for Boomers and Great Generation. Always has and will be. Late Night was Gen X and above. The audiences basically never reached. Conan was on later so he could do more shit and a lot of it was for "teens or college kids who are staying up late". Most of the boomers that watched Leno, fell asleep by the time his first interview was over. Conan's biggest mistake was taking it only because he lost the writers from New York as well and had to play a sanitized version (he can do this, as he already did the Emmy's then), but it's just not the same. His writers in LA and later when he went to TBS were just never on that level. It's no wonder he managed to regain his fame once he stopped doing the show and just had a pod with limited people/writers.
>>220443317>he managed to regain his fameLOL how's Haiti
>>220439858>Provides nothing to the debate>Claims something is not debatable
>>220435947This, broader american audience is fucking stupid which is why they liked Jay and now love Jimmy. Conan did not have that broad appeal.
>>220438995He's the Nickelback of comedy and was a giant twat regarding his position both in getting it and in weaseling his way back in after leaving.
>>220443712>This was fresh 15 years ago
>>220443358>#1 comedy podcast ever>Netflix specials>Oscars host>popular enough to host parties that lead to murderConan is, unironically, the most prestigious comedian in history. Bigger than Eddie Murphy. Bigger than Seinfeld. Bigger than Richard Pryor. Bigger than Carson even. Johnny Carson would've raped Ed McMahon to be as big as Conan was in 2025 on all fronts.
>>220443951>He thinks podcasts matter at all to anythingSad, many such cases. Conan is an unfunny nobody, and your post is just weak bait
>>220443979>he thinks anyone consumes comedy any other wayGet with the times gramps. Boomers falling asleep to Fallon doesn't move the needle on anything. Colbert will have a career renaissance after he exits, just like Conan did. Actually talented comedians rise above the cesspool that is network television.
Leno was right. He owed nothing to Conan. The studio gave him a better deal so he took it. Conan wouldnt even be in this situation if he could host a show that people actually wanted to watch.
>>220436016>Network fucked over Jay because the younger demographic is more lucrative.then how come they are always online complaining they cant afford groceries, fast food or houses?
>>220443951>#1 comedy podcast ever>Netflix specials>Oscars hostlol>>220444060>Basically git gudIt's that simple
>>220441132One major missing part:>Conan fights for a clause to cost NBC 30 million dollars if they try to replace him as host>Figures this will make NBC hesitate to fire him and allow him time to build his audience, even if the ratings are bad at first no one wants to lose 30 million dollars>Jay hears about this deal>Jay uses all of his clout to get his own lead in show to Conan's tonight show, seems like a no brainer>Adds his own clause, but this time if they fire or replace Jay, it costs NBC 150 million dollars>Jay intentionally tanks his own show, no one is watching, it is the lamest, cheapest, most improvised garbage you can't believe>NBC wants to cancel Jay>Jay holds out his hands for 150 million dollars>NBC does the math, if they give Jay the Tonight Show they are not in breach and effectively save 120 million dollars>Jay takes the show back, runs it to the ground in a few years, gets replaced by Jimmy FallonJay Leno is a piece of shit
>>220445076>Jay takes the show back, runs it to the ground in a few yearsHe had better ratings than any competing late night show up until the end, and they were higher than Fallon's.
>>220435894Conan was only funny for a small window of time and never moved past that
I was a big fan of Conan's Late Night and as soon as he went to LA his show went to shit.
>>220444067Anon, this was 16 years ago...
>>220438995Leno is one of the 10 greatest stand ups of all time. Even Letterman begrudgingly admitted he's the funniest person he ever met and that his nightclub act is goated. Comics hate Leno for selling out, watering down his act/schtick of the Tonight Show, and appealing to the lowest common denominator. And because he won
What's surprising is how little marketing/buzz Colbert's last show is getting. I think he sort of blew his wad starting the party a few months too early and even Hollywood rags were criticizing his self-aggrandizing and self-pitying behavior. Whatever they've got in store for his final episode it must not be very expensive.
>>220435894Leno was more authentic. Conan always reeked of desperation
>>220445867Blue collar Chad > blue blood entitled cunt
>>220445372Lack of Joel
conan is an unpleasant person and jay isnt
Conan was a smug fuck that looked down on his guests, not as smug as Letterman, the biggest smug prick that ever lived, but still a Hollywood liberal piece of shit
Remember when gen Xoids took to the streets because their favorite host got fired for bad ratings?
I have never seen Jay Leno stand-upWhich are some good ones?
>>220445893I think he lost some writers and self censored his slightly edgy shit for the timeslot too.Regardless he was shit and he's never been half as funny as he was on Late Night.
>>220435894I loved late night conan, but even I'll tell you that is act was "weird" and did not have universal appeal.Jay Leno is white bread as fuck and inoffensive like Jimmy Fallon. He had much more universal "grandparents" appeal.
>>220440317He has transcended mere boomer cars and collects boomer airplanes and airplane engines.
>>220435894Conan already had a late night show formula that worked and they made him change it. Same reason Colbert became insufferable.
Leno pandered to the plebs, simple as.
>>220446943I think he also has a few steam engines in his shop
>>220435894Because Conan's audience were internet millennials. They liked watching clips of him online, not actually watch him on boomer TV.Whereas Leno's audience were boomers who were glued to the TV and still formed most of the population when he was hosting. "Team coco" cringelords were jerking each other off online yet not actually contributing to viewership. Which is why he failed.
