>This boy is the One who will bring Balance to the Force.>...>But he will do it 30+ years, destruction of the Jedi Order and death of billions innocent people later, teehee.I'm thinking if not for this retard shoving Anakin into Council's face, Palpatine would have failed with his plan and Republic would have continued to live in peace.
will of the force, or something. Lucas is a genius!
>>220450138maybe there was a even worse fate
>>220450138You didn't pay attention. Anakin literally doesn't do a damn thing to meaningfully affect Palpatines plan in any way. If anything he was a just a happy bonus for him to corrupt. Palpatine still would launch the war. Still gain control of the senate. Still create the empire. The only difference would be that Palpatine would not be betrayed in ROTJ. So if anything him not shoving him in the councils face would have made things worse.
Qui-Gon just wanted to plap Shmi
>>220450323This. Which is funny because his master, Plageuis, was content with just gaining political power and influencing things from the shadows, and specifically wanted to avoid the spotlight.And he was right, given how Sidious ended up.
Wow, you mean the prophecy wasn't fulfilled in the exact way the guy who adhered to it though it would be? Groundbreaking stuff.
>>220450138Anakin did bring balance to the force though. There were about 1 million light side Jedi, and 2-3 evil Jedi. After he and Sheev 66'd them there was just 3-4 light side jedi left. That seems like a pretty good job of balancing to me.
>>220450138From a certain point of view he was correct
>>220450323Been a while since ive seen it but wouldn't Mace Windu have stopped/killed Palpatine without anakin saving him?
>>220450506Yes, from a certain point of view
>>220450506Anakin arrives just in time to "save" an extremely adept manipulator and cement his fall, and you took that at face value?
>>220450138The clone army and control over Separatists were crucial to Palpatine's plan, not Anakin. Although Palpatine took a gamble and eventually revealed himself to Anakin so obviously he thought he's worth the risk.
>>220450138well no, he just would have used maul and dooku to accomplish his plans, and there would have been no luke nor leia nor vader to eventually stop him.
>>220450138Gee I wonder if there was some sort of subtext regarding prophecy here.
Qui Gon dying is what fucks it all up for Anakin because he would've had someone with a brain to console with, rather than the rest of the dumbass Jedi and Sheev.
>Palpatine would have failed with his plan and Republic would have continued to live in peace.The kind of retarded statement I'm sure I've heard before. Did RLM or some other midwit youtube hack say it?
>>220450472This, I really don't understand what the jedi were complaining about. Why didn't they just kill Anakin, he was either going to create a million dark siders or kill a million jedi.
>>220450534Palpatine was feigning defeat so he could get Mace's guard down but from the scene and what we know of him I dont think Mace Windu was gonna fall for it. I genuinely think if Anakin didnt attack Windu, Palpatine would have died.
I'm still annoyed that the one good plot point from episode 1, which is that Qui Gon and Obi Wan were name swapped and Qui Gon took Obi Wan's name after he died, was cut from the script. It wouldn't have redeemed the movie, but it would've at least made the final battle slightly interesting.
>>220450747Yeah but he was feigning defeat only because he knew Anakin was coming, no need to do that if there's no Anakin
>>220450752Can't really pull that trick twice in the same movie
>>220450138>Balance to the Force.Correct me if I am wrong as I am not a star wars fag but wasnt it something like there are no or very few siths and shit loads of jedi...so killing the loads of jedi, even the younglings did indeed bring balance as then there were equal amount of siths and jedis?
>>220450808>>220450747Windu only learned Palpatine was a CIS lord because Anakin told him.
>>220451615They were already on their way to "investigate" him before that
>>220450506If you're one of the people who believe Mace legitimately won and that Palpatine didn't throw the fight for Anakin's benefit, sure.
>>220450138that's the will of the Force and jedi will happily accept it
>>220450138Luke is the chosen one
>>220450506According to Lucas Mace won the saber duel, but the lightning fakeout was playacting.
>>220451403The dark side is a cancer upon the Force. You don't balance cancer by having equal numbers of cancerous cells and not, you do it by eliminating the cancer.
>>220450506Sheev was pretending he was losing because the Force had told him exactly when Anakin would walk in on them.
>>220450138The only it made sense is that Qui Gon is a shitheaded thrill seeker who pokes beehives to see what happens. He saw the potential disaster in Anakin and decided it might be fun to risk the young shota's life on a street race for sith and giggles.
>>220450138Supplicating to true divine accounting means being prepared to leave everything behind and to be at the mercy of whatever catastrophe or death causing by this rebalancing of the cosmos. Unless you just wanted to be paid by the universe?
>>220450434>and specifically wanted to avoid the spotlight.That's false
>>220450138blame the whills
>>220450138>>But he will do it 30+ years, destruction of the Jedi Order and death of billions innocent people later, teehee.Unironically Qui-Gon woul;d agree with need to destroy Jedi Order
>>220454460Furthermore, we should recognize that we call upon divine accounting due to emergency conditions. Catastrophe is the price of recovery from otherwise terminal positions. So if you don’t want to sit there and take it, just know the universe has a way of handling your error as an exception. Set this one aside, he is not part of recovery.
>>220454509They’re orgones aren’t they
And whyyyyy did the Emperor attempt to include himself as data in the control machine he operates? He was just asking to he killed, that’s the only reason to ever do that, just look what God showed up as Jesus to do
>>220450193>will of the forceMitochloridian infestation, you mean. Give that kid some antibiotics and leave him to his slaving duties so we can get off this desert shithole
>>220450506Palps would've just killed Mace with the Force or corrupt someone else.
>>220450506Didn't he only move on Palpatine because of info from Anakin to begin with? It's been a hot minute since I've seen the film but I'm pretty sure that he only went after Palpatine because Anakin straight up told him he was the Sith lord they were looking for.
>>220450472Not what balance means.
>>220450434>And he was right, given how Sidious ended up.Dying at the ripe old age of 88 after ruling as Galactic Emperor for decades? I guess he didn't succeed at wiping out the Jedi for good but there are like maybe five left by the time of his death. He did more harm to them than anyone before or after.
>>220454626What do you know of balance? I have kept a spot 300 miles in diameter on the radioactive surface of Venus for 300 million years, what do you know of balance?
>>220454678YOU'RE NOTHING, YOU HAVE NO TALENT
>>220454678>>220454626To elucidate What do you know of balance? I have kept a spot 300 miles in diameter on the radioactive surface of Venus for 300 million years, what do you know of balance? How do i hold that fort, you ask? By burning for 300 million years. Those are the conditions. That’s balance. Now ask yourself what conditions were you hoping to maintain when you so proudly planned to employ ‘balance’ as your company cop?
>>220454688I guarantee that person has read the book im referencing, like fucking directly. Before he walked Bob Dylan on stage
If that’s too abstract for you just pretend Darth Nihilus said it
>>220450193So true
>>220450138The force works in mysterious ways
>>220450138>innocent people>Owen treated Luke like an asshole>guys in Cantina randomly starting shit with LukeI'm not saying the empire is right. I'm saying that just because someone is a victim doesn't make them a good person. Most people are neutral morally, which means they're more alike to bad than to good.
>>220450138>Balance...to the force?>Yeah>But, like, Jedi rule the galaxy in pretty good order and we haven't seen a Sith in like a thousand years, isn't that, you know, good? Wouldn't balance mean there'd be equal Jedi and Sith so as there's only two Sith we'd need to end up with like two jedi?>...Well...errrMaul did nothing wrong killing this idiot
>>220450611>Qui Gon>BrainIf he wasn't a Sith then he was the stupidest, least wise Jedi of all time, he literally destroyed the Republic, Sheev didn't have as much harmful effect as he did
Listen Qui Gon never said he came to explain or tidy up
>>220450138Did he forsee the events of nuwars undoing all of this in a couple days during tfa?
>>220455625Yes it was a lark
>>220450472He didn't do a good job. A sizable amount of jedi went into hiding.
>>220456668As many as toys are needed to sell you mean. Yoda and Obi Wan were the last.
>>220450472This is correct. Yoda even says that the Jedi most likely did not understand the prophecy. Every time the balance is out of order, Anakin is the one who corrects it. In the time of a new hope, there are 2 Jedi and 2 Sith. Luke becomes a Jedi, disrupting the balance, and Vader kills Obi-Wan, balancing the force again. Then Yoda dies, so there are 1 Jedi and 2 Sith, and Vader balances it again. Thankless job, being space Jesus.
I like how the prequels talk a big deal about balancing the force but never explain how the force is unbalanced, what the consequences are, why the jedi care so much about balancing it, where the prophecy came from, etc.
>>220458416Simple answer - The Jedi had created an unnatural Control System and the Sith had been mutating for thousands of years into what is supposed to be the greatest Satan history has mostly seenSimpler answer - The force didn't 'need' balancing, The Emperor tried to fucking summon the Chosen One to be a company cop. He got pulled out silence and peace and into shit, and now that he's here, balance is what you fucking get. Real balance.
No, seriously, pay attention.The Force didn't send Anakin.The Emperor pulled him out.Get it?I'm just glad he's safe in heaven, dead, again, where he belongs. Not in shit.
>>220450138But weren't jedis basically the powerful side of the force around that time? If Anakin was to bring balance to the force, he would be doing that empowering sith. Which he did.Was QuiGon too blind to see this?
>>220458800He wasn't TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCEThe Emperor BROUGHT HIM, and BALANCE HAPPENED
>>220458800And to more directly answer your question, Qui Gon is not a military strategist! He is an honest bona-fide Force Supplicant! He doesn't MAKE decisions, he would NEVER DO ANYTHING TO HURT THE FORCE-BOY. In fact when you see him walking among a little group of slaves, you do EVERYTHING no matter what ANY ONE SAYS, FOR HIM
Maybe not a supplicant but a sage, a wise man, a guy who gets it, a real one. Who is not kidding when he says the Force is real its everything and you can be with it. His life is about that, and he's LIVING TESTAMENT some amount of that work was achieved
>>220450138He would have brought balance to the force sooner if Qui-Gon had lived, dummy. That's why he died.
>>220458955He always brought as much balance as was warranted! He IS balance
>>220458800In Star Wars, balance means the dark side being kept at bay. When the original and sequel trilogies were made, the light side of the force was just called the force. Only the dark side had a name. Balance is when the dark side is being held back.
>>220459251So it was a big and unique spiritual problem when The Dark Side tried to weaponize Balance, don't you think? Kind of explains the series doesn't it?
>>220459472Huh?
>>220457924>In the time of a new hope, there are 2 Jedi and 2 SithWas Yoda born after ANH you illiterate nigger
>>220459520The Emperor conjured Anakin out of the Force, by force. This is the whole secret behind Shmi's immaculate conception and The Emperor's remote hijacking of such a sacred placement of God-soul. Anakin (or The Chosen One, before he was named by Shmi, or perhaps he is Balance, which is The Force Itself), was safe in heaven, never having been born, where he returned when he died, where he belonged. And Sheev, in his desire to employ Balance itself as a company cop, ripped him out of the silence and peace of the either and placed him in a body and made him live in shit. And The Chosen One kept balance every moment of it, to the best of the ability his body and time and space allowed him. And the force didn't 'need' balancing, the Force HAS Balance, the Force IS BALANCE. The Emperor took raw Balance out of the immaterial world behind all things, and tried to turn him into a human weapon! So now that Balance is here, everyone gets what they get! Vader's death is so fucking beautiful because he's back where belongs - safe, in heaven, dead.
>>220454649Sheev died at 129 years old, 88 was just when Anakin threw him down the Death Star shaft.
And lets not forget every last single act of evil against the Jedi was performed and enabled by a man who held every single reason the Jedi had hurt him, and the story is clear, this man is a balance-man. That is what he does. The 'Force' isn't sending justice, Anakin is, for what happened to him, in his human body, while he was alive, in the way a human conceptualizes equal retaliation of FORCE. Because OUR IDEA OF JUSTICE, COMES FROM THAT NON-REAL PLACE WHERE TRUE JUSTICE EXISTS. THE PLACE IS DEFINED AS NOT BEING PHYSICAL, NOT BEING IN TIME, NOT BEING IN SPACE, YET AFFECTING EVERYTHING. AND WE ALL KNOW SOMETHING IS GOING ON THERE. And look at the circumstances of Anakin's birth, he's simply made of less 'shit' or human element than any other human, his father element is ENTIRELY METAPHYSICAL AND FROM THAT PLACE WHERE WHATEVER TRUE BALANCE IS, EXISTS AND OPERATES. So Anakin has a HIGHER PREDISPOSITION TO TRUE METAPHYSICAL UNKNOWABLE ETERNAL JUSTICE than ANYONE. And he lived in THE REAL WORLD, and WHAT HE DID BACK WAS WHAT HE DECIDED AS THE MAN WHO IS MOST MADE OF TRUE JUSTICE.Does anyone get anything out of this? Am I not 'hitting' here?
>>220450138Star Wars is a movie for children. Analysing it just shows that you are retarded and dont understand the point of the franchise(selling toys).
>>220453131So if you're George Lucas who confirmed that was the case?
Why did nobody question how a random clone army just showed up to apparently help the Jedi?
>>220458503This; Captain Plague didn't create the Chosen One, the Chosen One was created in response to Sheev and him meditating so hard that they shifted the balance in the Force.
I've really found myself turning this series of posts into a schizophrenic screed I'm developing into what APPEARS to a be a schizophrenic essay. I'll show you in a second hereAre extra written indicators like all-capital letters and persistent focus laid on seemingly arbitrary word fragments symptoms of schizophrenia? Or if I'm suggesting something really important, is that just being cool?
>>220460268Because a jedi master supposedly put in the order for them. The force told him they would be needed, and other sweet little lies
>>220460306NO! SHEEV ONLY BECAME SATAN BECAUSE HE FORCED THE BIRTH OF CHRIST KNOWING CHRIST WAS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON, BUT NOT ACCEPTING HE CANNOT BE ULTIMATELY CONTROLLED!!!!!!!!FUUUUCK!
>>220450138The chosen one prophecy never made fucking sense and it doesn't help George made it vague. Trying to even argue what the prophecy entailed is a worthless effort because there is literally nothing to go by in the films. It's one of those retarded things where everyone's theory is both completely right and completely wrong.
>>220460359>>220460306Oh, actually, you know what, I haven't read that comic but you make an excellent spiritual point, I should have listened. So Christ was born BECAUSE Satan's minions were FUCKING AROUND trying to STEP TO GOD, and when one of those minions found Christ in the desert, he BECAME SATAN BY FUCKING WITH HIM. BECAUSE HE WAS ALSO CAESAR!!!!Excellent excellent shit
>>220450138Also there will still be a billion Jedi and Sith alive but please ignore us destroying our own shitty lore (RULE OF 2 LOL)Prequels fucking sucked.
>>220460372I'm explaining it to you right fucking now pry yourself loose and listenQuickly, like this - The Chosen One was not 'sent' by the The Force to 'balance' it. The Force IS balance. Sheev ripped a part of The Force out to try and make a weapon, but you can't control Balance. The prophecy is 'one day a chosen one will come to bring balance', which means 'when the chosen one shows up, for any reason, there will a fucking reckoning' meaning what you do to other people which is WHAT YOU DO TO HIM, YOU WILL FACE TRUE JUSTICE FOR. WHOEVER YOU AREComprende?
>>220450506Mace Windu only decided to arrest Plapatine because Anakin told him about Plap's secret Sith identity. He was operating under their noses the whole time.
The Jedi are just awful fucking police is that fair?
>>220458416the dark side of the force is the imbalance. the dark side users (the two sith) are causing the imbalance. getting rid of the dark side users = restoring balance to the force.
>>220460611No, life is imbalance. Anakin was summoned straight from the Force and he gave everyone what the guilty get
And you know what he gave those needing love the love they needed, even as he enacted the guilty-getting. He cried for those children even as he killed them. All of them. From the beginning. But it is by definition true they needed to die
>>220460461This is never explained in the films numbnuts>Buh buh in the EU!I'm aware of the EU but the films have absolutely no context for it. Any supplementary material that tries to explain the gay ass prophecy is attempting to make sense of an already flawed plot premise. There is no proof of any of your (or the EU's) claims within the films.
>>220460897You were distracted by the film! You think this is about war!?
>>220450472"light side" is a sequelslop concept. There is only "the force" and "the dark side [of the force]".
>>220462307>Just ignore that Yoda refers to a light side in Empire and that the concept of the light continued on in ROTJ and dozens of EU products prior to Disney Wars
>>220462307Everyone gets balanced. Reality doesn’t care if you call yourself a Jedi
>>220450860Objectively correctThe two Padmes thing was quite useless though
>>220454596midichlorians don't cause the force, dumbass
>>220454596antibiotics will kill him, antibiotics are definition of killing all life forms. We have to take this to biologic court ruled by a higher power
