Watching the dogshit documentary "Paradise Lost" I can see how hard the documentary makers were trying to create an interesting story.What's more interesting than elevating the uncertainty?It is scummy as fuck.It is clear Damien Echols was a total violent nut capable and eager to commit murder.Jessie MissKelley is an absolute violent low impulse control brainlet who beat up kids regularlyJason Baldwin is a creepy nerd who latched onto Echols to feel powerful.Baldwin is probably the creepier one of the three, since he can play harmless while having sadistic and hateful lustful feelings towards children.Echols is more of a narcissist than anything.
Echols still has a YouTube channel about occult practice.
Echols = the narcissistic leader and brain of the operationBaldwin = the seemingly meek quiet guy who is secretly the most extreme and violentMisskelley = the dumb muscle/goon following orders
>>220453228>still>zoomer thinks yt was around the same time as the wm3
>>220453282exactly how I see it yeah
>>220453228Yeah he goes to show the disconnect between his own interests and the empathie for the victim's families.
>>220453290That's not what that sentence means you esl jeet
>>220453290Echols does have a youtube, he also does AMAs on reddit and guess what?Reddit is swooning for the psycho and downvoting everybody else
>>220453439Kindly explain what it means, then, my illiterate, zoomer friend.
>>220453589after he was released he made a youtube
When are the DNA results due back? I know they probably won't show anything new as the defence chose the items being tested but still interested..
>>220453569The man knows his audience.How long before he goes on Joe Rogan ''that's craaaazy dude''
>>220452843To answer your question I think it was primarily a thrill kill (the answer Echols gave when the cops pulled up and asked him some questions soon afterwards). Weather it was planned or not i go back and forth on. Misskelley stuck to those parts of his story - damien had a briefcase (a briefcase is in his or his girlfriends trailer in some of the evidence photo's) with a picture of the victims. Misskelley wouldn't have known but maybe echols and baldwin knew those kids would be in the woods after school. As to satanism , if you understand that to be pursuing your own evil, selfish desires then yes. Misskelley says in one of the confessions echols stood over the dead and dying boys and said some kind of prayer. Echols was obsessed with witchcraft, satanism, crowley, secret societies and all that crap so of course it influenced his actions. That none of the three had any credible alibi (and multiple failed attempts) is what persuaded me.
>>220453939No idea, but yeah asking for DNA testing is ballsyMaybe he wants the world to know that he was released thanks to muh satanism or some shit and then he will kill himself or something crazy>>220454006Bitch Tits McGee lolI havent watched his youtube much, I honestly cant stand the guy he is so fuckign clearly guilty and doesnt even care.
>>220454277What convinced me is just a hunch.Circumstantial evidence and witness statements can fail, but the 3 boys just don't seem genuine when they talk.Either all three have a form of down's syndrome or they are carefully picking their words and constructing lies.You just know, ya know?
Any recommendations for documentaries to watch?Cause I found this stuff but I haven't watched it yet.Any of you familiar with this guy:www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0G_S4miTVk&list=PLS3-p44Me4grOIrX18yarkDrRV7OCP591
what are the best kinos to watch to get up to speed on this case? all i know is the absolute basics: 3 (?) kids are found murdered in the woods, they blame 3 alt teens? i want to be informed and then crack the case
>>220454911>>220455001The first Paradise Lost is kino. Watch that and tell me their not guilty. Echols basically admits it at the end. (((The New York))) directors didn't want the public to think that so they really got some background characters to ham it up in PL 2 and 3. There's West of Memphis by Peter Jackson which is overly long, crazy biased and quite dull. There are no feature length docs to the other side of the story, that's mostly in local journalist Gary Meece's books about the case. Burn After Reading on youtube is a bit breathless in his style but the content is solid.
>>220455200ok so the hours of videos is worth it or should I only watch some of them cause this is a fucking boat load of content
>>220455200>Paradise Lostthanks anon, is it this one? pic related.wait, how can someone admit to the killings at the end of the movie and they leave that in the final cut if the movie was trying to make them appear innocent?
>>220455001from what I know is that none of the 3 teens have alibisOne admitted to itOne blamed the other by vaguely admitting he thinks Echols was capable of harmthen there is stuff about psychiatric evaluations, Echol's family fearing him, saying he would eat his dad, the animal skulls in his room etc.>I was on the phone with 3 different people at the time of the murdersEchols talks a lot of shit, he also said a killer would piss in the kid's mouths and they later found urine in their stomachsA good defense would have been>I watched what happened but I was too scared to warn people cause they saw meor>I messed with the corpses but didnt kill themor anything that fits his prior behavior that was escalatingweird how true crime thots would call Echols a psychopath but cause he is Alt-Rocker Witchy McHoroscopefag they want him to be innocent
>>220455214This one is comprehensivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lob_M65xAk
>>220455255That's the one. You'll have to watch it to see what I mean.
>>220455460Echols looks like a proper narcissist without a fucking clue on what looks impressivealso thanks for the effort, gonna watch this now
>>220454006was xhe transitioning?
>>220455555I'm wondering if that's a syringe next to his boot on the floor
>>220452843The most damning evidence against Echols that no one brings up- He knew someone pissed in at least one of the victims' mouths.He brings it up during his interrogation and that information had not been made public.
>>220455711the red sharpie? Yes. the red sharpie is drugs.
>>220455711Are you fucking blind kek it’s a red sharpie dingaling
>>220454277Miskelley said that an older man who attended their cult meetings had a briefcase that contained a picture of the three boys, so it seems like it was planned and part of some larger cult activities, although psychologically it was probably just an excuse to do something depraved
>>220455270>A good defense would have been>>I watched what happened but I was too scared to warn people cause they saw me>or>>I messed with the corpses but didnt kill themlol, that's what Misskelley thought when he decided to confess
>>220452843You can see what's what in their faces: Echols is posing, Miskelley is scared, Baldwin is unruffled
>>220456310Elaborating...You can tell from the pictures which one confessed, which one chased notoriety, which one kept his mouth shut tightWhich one did the worst of it, which one was just along for the ride, which one would go on to make a bunch of incriminating statements
>>220456222Well Misskelley likely did watch for the most partHe doesnt strike me as a sadist just a fucking retard who got tricked into joining.Misskelley was known to assault kids, beating them up, little shit was a retarded mongoloid pussy who would take his anger out on younger kids.Also that thing about the hair in the shoelace is so fucking dumb.I've had a hair from my dog imbedded in my foot cause I walk around with socks in my house and I thought it was glass or a splinter and couldnt find it cause it was late, next day I check and see a black hair quite deep in the sole of my foot.Getting hair tangled into a shoelace is even more commonCheck your laces now and tell me there isnt a hair from your own or a pet
>>220456310I feel like Baldwin is even enjoying it for a good bitBaldwin is too fucking smiley for my tasteDude was in prison for 2 decades and smiles and jokes about being in prison like he had a good timeHe also seems very heavily dependent on his connection with Echols
If not Echols Baldwin and MissKelley, then who?Occam's razor tells me the likely suspects and the lack of viable alternative suspects shows the 3 are guilty.
>>220456666The most popular alternative suspect seems to be Terry Hobbs, who was one of the boys' stepfathers. Could also be a mystery person on no one's radar.
>>220457548Yeah Terry and who else?1 adult is not going to control 3 children by any means.You only have two hands, you would need a gun cause a knife is so visceral a child would run a gun might make em run too but they might have some understanding of the futility of it.You got a theory on how 1 man would have done it by themselves?
>Ask Arkansas police to review evidence of the case>Police Chief resigns, says the evidence is goneReally gets the noggin joggin
>>220457548Each one of the "documentaries" tries to spuriously pin the blame on someone, and after each one was released the people who believed the three killers were railroaded on spurious evidence 100% believe that person did it.
bastard celebs responsible for letting these scummy fucks get out of prison for brutal CHILD murder
>>220457605Not as hard as you'd think, especially since they were dumb little kids that didn't know any better. He was an authority figure to them, they would have listened to him.
>>220452843I blame the West Memphis police for being stupid, retarded hicks who failed three innocent little boys and making a hero out of that subhuman Echols. Had they done their jobs correctly instead of being stupid retarded hicks, Echols and crew would be nobodies in Arkansas, living in trailer parks, getting high on meth.
>>220457843That's assuming they'd undress for him
>>220457994the 90s was full of these types of fuck up casesI would know I had to study a couple of themThe main issue isnt that cops and forensics sucked at the time, it sucked before that time too.The main issue is the media and activists abusing the system to get killers to walk free cause>muh 1 in a million chance of innocents on death rowit was all political propagandaYes the cops were shit at their job but so was every other cop in the world at the time including the specialized scientific units like forensic teamsShit we can get your DNA from your pee today with ease, back then you needed a good bit of blood to do the sameThat's why I could never be a killer, I know too much lol
>>220457994just to add: I am not an authority on this shit I flunked out so im not a forensic investigator
The Freedom Project cunts exposed how these kind of "activists" operate and how they lie and manipulate the system to get murderers off.
>>220458116> The main issue isnt that cops and forensics sucked at the timeExcept it is that most of the time.
>>220458145Ok, what do you mean?
>>220458142yeah they dont believe in the death penalty so they'd rather get psychopathic sadistic pedophiles off scott free just so 1 black dude in the wrong spot doesnt get executed
Terry Hobbs Body language expert: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM-ET6miRyQYou guys believe in this body language shit?I think it's too vague myself, there is something to it but I dont think you can read a person from just a video.People have their own idiosyncrasies This particular youtuber has analyzed Echols too and really he didnt say much.Never seen this video so I dont know if this will be any good.
>>220458212forgot the body language expert's name: Ben Cardall
>>220458150That the police are fucking terrible at their jobs. Take the Long Island Killer or the Delphi case or Dahmer where the police were slow to act and drew out events for year.
>>220452843living in arkansas i can just say the whites and nigs that live in rural arkansas are the lowest form of live existing. they're honestly too ignorant to function.
>>220458245fair enough the Rex Heuermann thing was pretty much cracked by a private investigator or some profiler or some shit who ended up being proven right on his profile of Heuermann.But you have to remember that the Police work on a budget and really the job of the higher ups is to manage the budget and decided where resources are to be used.in short>Who gives a fuck about a couple hookers getting turned into puzzle piecesThen there is corruption, so yeah I get it you are right but the professionals themselves, cops, forensic teams are leagues better than in the 90sStill there's a ton that needs to be improved.tl;dr yer right
>>220458212>You guys believe in this body language shit?Do you also believe in astrology and Dim Mak?
I saw Damien in NYC once. I wasn't super red-pilled on this at the time. Had heard both sides from people who cared that he didnu nuffin and that it was a satanist conspiracy to get him off. He looked crazy. Super pale, long finger nails.
>>220458335To a degree yeah.You can definitely kill a person with a single punch and disrupt their heart rhythm that's not even debatable and I do believe there is something to astrology just that it's about as good as a coin flip.But there's something to it like how when the moon is out that people get moon fever or whatever it's called.It's just fucking useless to use it to predict anything.
>>220458301West Memphis isn't that rural. And they 100% did it.
>>220458306Police departments are staffed by people who treat their work like regular 8-5 jobs instead of with passion. Sometimes they get it right, but other times, they’re indifferent. That’s why Chicago and Cleveland is a killer’s paradise.
>>220458452Chicago is a hub for the distribution of narcotics of course there is mass violence there and of course cops wont risk their lives for a measily bullshit paycheckCleveland I dont know shit about.
>>220458439delta yokels especially back then.
There wasn't enough physical evidence to lock them up for a life sentence. This is one of those cases where I'm really 50/50 on whether these guys did it, but our justice system values presumption of innocence above all if there's doubt.
>>220458513>Cleveland I dont know shit about.Think the corruption and indifference of Chicago but no prospects for a better future.
>>220458548Yeah and "Damien" lived all over the U.S. before moving there. Memphis was a top 20 city in population around this time as well, and West Memphis, hence the name is a part of that Metro area. Let's look in to his story. He fell in with occultists in Oregon, changed his name to Damien from Michael because it was the name of a demon possessed killer. He lived in the middle of West Memphis at the Mayfair Apartments and later the Broadway Trailer park, both of which are located directly adjacent to the Robin Hood Hills playground where the murders occurred. He later tried to claim in interviews and testimony that he lived in the neighboring town of Marion to distance himself from the crime scene, evidence from his own memoir, Almost Home, and witness statements place him in West Memphis near the victims' neighborhood at the time of the crime.
>>220458853https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
>>220459054This vid was good then, and its still good now
The WM3 were definitely involved, the problem is there's a fuckton of other people who are potentially involved to some degree as well as a lot of other weird shit surrounding the case, its one of the most fucked up rabbit holes you can go down.- One of the victim's stepfathers was a high ranking Freemason and police informant, years after it came out that cops were looking into bite mark evidence he had all of his teeth removed and gave different explanations as to why.- Terry Hobbs had a friend manufacture an alibi for him and was doing laundry at 3am the night of the murders.- Damien's cousin was in the possession of large, foul smelling box the day after the murders, he travelled out of state overnight in the company of an adult male homosexual to get rid of it.- Damien's girlfriend's family were intergenerational Satanists who drank blood.
Holy SCHIZO thread. I hope none of you have children.
fat goth women got hooked on this shit like crack
>>220459054>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM>>220458853funny enough I know this fucking above youtube video tho aahahaha
>>220459804Buddy relax, I studied this shit.I have a knack for it per proper professionalsAs long as you aren't stupid enough to fully believe the conclusion you come to you are solid.Schizos don't do that, that's really the difference.That's why most of reddit is fucking retarded, they are ideological schizos but here even the schizos arent redditors
>>220459629>he had all of his teeth removed and gave different explanations as to why.ok I didnt know that, I knew he wore denturs but yeah that's pretty wild if true>3AMWasnt the time of death estimated at like 6:30 PM to 10:30 pm or so?>Cousin plus fagNever heard about this>Damien's girlfriend's family were intergenerational SatanistsNever heard of this eitherWhere'd you get all this?
>>220459946the teeth removal story is famous and true, I don't think its all that convincing because I know a ton of poor trashy people that have dentists tell them "you need to have all your teeth removed" both my parents and my wives mom are in this boat but only my mom has done it because her wealthier brother paid for new fake teeth
>>220459946info on the cousin, all sourced: https://www.jivepuppi.com/lg_hollingsworth.htmlcan't find a specific source for the girlfriend, except this: According to police reports, during questioning her, she volunteered in saying "What does it matter that I drink blood? My mother drinks blood." In later interviews she denied making this statement.
>>220458651You don't really need physical evidence.Physical evidence is often not even enough to convict a person.Back then having physical evidence was having like a pint of blood not just a droplet.I think it was around 2000 something that they figured out how to take a speck of blood and get a DNA profile, before that it took a couple scoops
>>220458245>Take the Long Island KillerIn the case of LISK on top of being completely incompetent, cops and DA were also corrupt to the gills and didn't want anyone actually competent nosing in on their business so they just basically did as little as possible while trying to keep the press and public opinion off their backs. And the cherry on top is that the fuckers were having hooker and blow parties with local politicians and local influential people, so they knew a mountain of dead hookers getting found buried on the dunes of their beach could lead back to them and their shenanigans even when they had nothing to do with it.
>>220460144>>220460164You reckon that whole town had a small group of satanists or whatever?I wouldn't be that shocked, crazier shit happens but it's a bit far fetched in my opinion.I think it was just Echols and Baldwin being into this shit and Baldwin being too much of a pussy and him using Echols to take the leap and Echols being crazy enough to do it and MissKelley just being a fucking retard and being tricked into joining them as an accomplice.Criminals do this a lot, bring a retard along so they can pin it on him by having matching accounts and the one retard.I've been around that type of thing, one kid I knew got fucked over by two of his buddies and did 2 years in juvie over a break in of an abandoned school and setting fire to it.He was along for the ride but the other two just said he did it.
>>220459905You studied but flunked?
I'm no expert on this case so I could be wrong here, but the most bizarre thing I've read about it is that the a local police department investigated a triple child murder on their own. Don't you get the FBI involved in case this severe?
These three yokels were innocent men, you fucking retarded schizos.
>>220460899yes I flunked but that's more than you did
>>220461513They consulted the fbi who provided them with a questionnaire to ask suspects. You can find echols and baldwins answers online. They also contacted police in ny, la and Chicago. Gary gitchell the wm police chief was trained in the fbi and this was to be his last big case. Mistakes were made but they got the right people imo
>>220461863They're convicted child murderers. "Damien" is a well-traveled yokel.
I wanted their defenders in Hollywood to be wrong, but after reading up on the case there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence anywhere that points to them being responsible. I still think there is a pretty good chance they are guilty, but there is literally no meaningful evidence to support it.
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>>220461863>>220459804Wow that's such a convincing argument. Thanks so much for weighing in.(what makes people do this? fucking idiotic)
>>220463710>I still think there is a pretty good chance they are guilty, but there is literally no meaningful evidence to support it.This is why cops fudge things. They come across guys they can tell are guilty, like them or OJ Simpson, and in order to secure the conviction they plant a glove here or some blood there or whatever.The Hollywood lawyers they hired to overthrow the convictions basically banked it all on that and used it as "proof" that they weren't guilty, when really it's the opposite.
>>220464026>>220464044>>220464119is that a polygraph test? that fundamentally proves nothing and is not admissable in courtif you can explain the other evidence, i'm more than happy to listen
There's no 'smoking gun in this case, its the weight of circumstantial evidence which is how most murder cases are settled before the csi effect where now every smart viewer thinks dna evidence is always required for a guilty verdict.This case was done until berlinger and sinofsky got involved and a man named ron lax who was an anti-death penalty activist and a private eye. He intimidated a lot of the people involved into retracting their statements which can all be found on the Callahan8k site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCOcw0vRZg
>>220464431The fact is all the other suspects of which there were dozens all passed or were otherwise ruled out by alibi etc but echols failed, then threw up. The officer said your never gonna tell us are you and he said no then phoned his mom to get a defender in place. The sticks appear to have been whittled and misskelley talks about how they were used in his confessions although rarely coherently . The luminol shows up blood splatter at the murder site where misskelley describes but was inadmissable at that time, as was the necklace found too late to be entered into evidence that echols wore in pic related (where he's creepily hanging out at a youth club with a bunch of 10 year olds aged 18) two days later and had blood match for both Jason and one of the victims. Then there was the broken whiskey bottle which again came from misskelley and was found exactly where he said it would be. The police confirmed the whisky bottle by phoning victoria hutchinson who confirmed she had bought it for misskelley that day
>>220464431The myth that these are unreliable is total BS fyi
>>220463710theres a lot of little things (besides Misskellies confession) three different knot types was compelling for one
>>220464439Why didn't the WM cops just harass ron lax until he fucked off? They do that all the time, why aren't they ever corrupt for a good cause?
>>220464641none of these points of 'evidence' are convincing.
>>220465240So then who did it? What's your explanation for it?
>>220465240Two juries thought otherwise In fact it was half forgotten about until half assed celebrities jumped on board with innocence movement lawyers
>>220465312disgusting kikes
>>220457843Even if we're going to make that jump in logic, the three boys were tied with different knot types. If it was only one person all of the knots would be the same.
>>220465240in misskellies confession he mentioned multiple things related to the murders that nobody but the killers or someone literally watching couldve known
>>220466031my #1 piece of evidence is jessie giving a friend muddy boots and saying "we hurt some kids." the friend did a police interview that i can't find on youtube anymore.
