>movie outright tells you to kill the past and any attachment to star wars>Wait, come back and consume more you NAZI! Look Baby Yoda! Remember the past!I don't get their logic.
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>>220463511That was the villains motivation, not the films.
>>220463511It was a pretty good message about how stupid the Jedi order was and that Rey didn't have to be some special chosen one and should find her own path and fight for her own reasons. It's too bad it was attached to a shit movie that fedora redditors and 45 year old tumblrettes swear is a masterpiece to be contrarian.
>>220463511Did JJ and Rian have a rivalry in the middle of the series?
>>220463620Contrarianism isn’t real. Stupidity is though.
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>>220463620unironically one of the only good scenes in that movie is when Luke calls this out to Rey that the Jedi failed because of their own hubris allowing Palpatine to take power>>220463775saved. thats a great post
>>220463511>movie keeps talking about killing the past>kills the future of the franchise instead
>>220463511That was back when they thought Star Wars was a license to print money and too big to fail. That's why they tried to trojan horse all sorts of shit into the franchise and try appeal to girls. You have to remember Force Awakens made like $2 billion at the box-office alone, so that's why Rian Johnson was given carte blanche to do whatever he wanted -- they thought there was basically no way he could fuck it up.
>>220464012they didnt even put rey in any sexy outfits for us. george knew what we wanted. leia and padme both appeared in sexy outfits
>>220463620>It's too bad it was attached to a shit movie that fedora redditors and 45 year old tumblrettes swear is a masterpiece to be contrarian.So bascially prequelfags
>>220464124I have to share a board with someone that thinks slave leia is a sexy outfit and cares that the prequel jewess looked sexykill yourself, nigger
>>220463511it was headed in a right direction if they went a true grey jedi route with rey and kylo going off on their own to do something newbut noit had to back to the same old empire and rebels cuckerythats what happens when you havent got any plans after your first film in a trilogy or any competent writers
>>220463620>It was a pretty good message about how stupid the Jedi order was and that Rey didn't have to be some special chosen one and should find her own path and fight for her own reasons.What the fuck are you talking about? The top two Jedi of the Order didn't have that much faith in the prophecy to begin with. Yoda thought it might have been misinterpreted, Mace just didn't give a shit. Anakin was treated with suspicion and they avoided giving him special treatment, many in the Order had their own problems with Anakin.
>>220463511I remember when it first came out the redditors were jerking off the line how deep it was and Star Wars can finally 'grow up' while they jerked off into their porg plushies. Then the backlash didn't die out and it became "hurr the villain said it, actually the sequels celebrate the past and respects it!"
This movie basically killed the franchise theatrically for a decade. Grogu has been Star Wars' life support since 2019
>>220463511More love for the prequels, so it pleases me that it killed the sequel trilogy
>>220465554contrarian shit baitthe prequels and sequels both fucking suckedgouge out these shit trolls eyes, cut off their hands and scalp them
>>220463511Kylo says things to that effect, and then Luke tells him he's wrong at the end. It's the viewpoint of a single character, not the overall movie or the studio behind it
>>220464195The Kylo Ren and Rey dynamic was the only interesting thing about the sequel trilogy. Rey eventually becoming the villain would have been the right narrative decision but they just half-assed the whole storyline with dumb shit like bringing Palpatine back
>>220464124She didn’t even have different outfits in general. Just the same lame outfit with the same haircut.You would think someone like Disney would realize more outfits equals more toy variants.
>>220463511This was because Disney and Lucasfilm thought the Star Wars brand was indestructible. Then Solo bombed (made worse by Kathleen forcing the movie to be completely reshot) and Disney panicked.Hell, the sequel trilogy is so toxic that they didn’t even include Sequel shirts in the Star Wars blind box set.
>>220463511It turns out that pandering your Sequel trilogy to retards like Red Letter Media isn’t a good idea.
>>220466908blaming red letter media for them having hope kathy, dicknose and ritard wouldn't fuck it up, only one tribe could make such a slanderous delusional accusation
>>220467707TFA was dogshit and they didn't acknowledge that at all, so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>220466908>He says while the prequels suffer from almost all the same issues as the sequels
>>220468107Not true. The prequels had an overarching story plan rather than making it up as they went. And they did new and unique things visually/artistically, expanding the universe in ways that fans keep wanting to go back to in other media, rather than just trying to make you think of the OT.They did some things just as bad or worse, other things significantly better.
>>220463620https://youtu.be/6fek6iJlm8sThis is still one of the best scenes in Star Wars. But yes, it was wrapped in Finn's horrendous story, Foe's villanous turn as a man, and Leia's ghoulish zombification scene.
>>220467943everyone acknowledged TFA was a rehash of a new hope and thought it was shit, go fail to troll some other thread, you pilpuling kike parasite
>>220468163reddit spacing, you can instantly disregard this faggot troll, go back r/prequel memes, kike
>>220463996Lol
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>>220463620>nd that Rey didn't have to be some special chosen oneKind of undercut that a bit by having her just be super powerful for no raisen then didn't theyMaybe don't make girlboss super mechanic who can use a lightsaber and force powers after one day and then say "You're just like Obi-Wan, without any special parents but can beat the chosen one! But none of the training and hard work he did!"We saw a better version of "You're not the chosen one but you've got to step up when everything's going down" in the prequels and that's damning on its own. Maybe stop copying ESB beat for beat and sprinkling in the ROTJ throne room scene and the Obi-Wan Scene long enough to do something that makes any sense.
>>220468169>best scenes I like it, but it's hard to ignore the implications of if a Jedi force ghost can conjure lightning, why don't they just go do that whenever a new big new threat arises. Why don't the ghosts just go and smite Snoke, or also Palpatine later.Yoda died on Dagobah, not on Luke's planet Ahch-To. Sure seems like force ghosts can travel across the galaxy and do whatever, without physical limits >>220468250Not an argument :)
cut the fucking hands off reddit spacing faggots
>>220468291sure it is, the pics I posted disprove your faggot nonsense shit scribble
>>220468296>>220468308>>220468325>screeching about reddit spacing while defending the sequels Mental illness (you, not the posters in your screenshots)
>>220463903The Jedi weren’t even that hubristic, though; they got suckerpunched from a 1000-year stealth by a faction that self-destructed not even two decades laterIt’s like saying the CIA is hubristic for not investigating sleeper cells of the Knights Templar
>>220463688It was really a one sided ass fucking more than a rivalry.
>>220468342>if you hate the prequels, that means you love sequelsyou faggots have a dialogue tree of spam you run through, i hate both the prequels and the sequels, you need to be hunted down and have your hands chopped off and eyes gouged out, these same boring fucking spam threads need to die, all you do is troll
This was unironically a good movie and I have no idea why people reacted so negatively to it.
>>220468398sweet, more faggot trolling
>>220463620Maybe that message is the very reason this movie is putrid shit.
>>220468398It had Hamill. It had Fisher. What was people's problem?
Solid 5/10. Literally half of the movie is fine and even good, but the other half is unwatchable garbage. Everything to do with Finn, Rose and Poe makes me want to turn the TV off every time
>>220464195It really is funny that people keep pulling this card as a "TLJ tried to take the series in a new direction but TROS ruined it!" when TLJ already pulls a 180 immediately after this scene anyway.>Kylo begging Rey to join him and put aside the Jedi and Sith rivalry forever>lol nope actually we're not doing that, sike>10 minutes later Kylo's back to being le evil bad man, here's a shitty battle of hoth ripoff
>>220468425Honestly, seeing the original cast haul themselves around in front of a green screen was a huge negative to the sequel trilogy, I have no idea why anyone would have wanted to see a bunch of senile and bitter geriatrics on screen.Particularly Leia, she sounded like she'd been eating nothing but gravel and cigarettes every time she tried to speak her lines.
>>220468425>It had Hamill. It had Fisher. What was people's problem?
>>220468484The idea was that people would have liked (some) of the original cast make a comeback for one last nostalgic epic. Instead, the boomers stayed home, while the zoomers booed.
>>220468439>Solid 5/10. Literally half of the movie is fine and even good
>>220468396If you reread >>220468163 without doing the autistic reactionary mental illness over so-called reddit spacing, you'd see that I said the prequels did some things worse and other things better. I'm not fanboying over them. The point stands about the prequels introducing settings and visuals that people enjoy and want to return to. They liked Naboo, Coruscant, Kamino, Geonosis, Mustafar, and thus other media set on them keeps getting made. People don't give a shit about any of the planets the sequels are set on, as most of them are meant to invoke an OT setting rather than be unique.
>>220468439Pretty much. The scenes with Rey, Kylo and Luke are very interesting and should've just been what the whole movie was about, saddling the narrative with finn and rose's pointless shit and poe getting girlbossed on by some new character nobody cares about was a waste of time in an already too long movie.
>>220468484anything to deflect blame from the shit script and subversive directors and producers
In some aspects its the best sequel but everything sucks outside the Rey, Luke, and Kylo scenes.
>>220468439>. Everything to do with Finn, Rose and Poe makes me want to turn the TV off every timeThat literally just leaves the ESB copy paste scenes, the nonsensical Throne Room fight full of errors and fuckups, and the copy paste Obi-Wan Sacrifice scene. It sounds more like you just liked regurgitated versions of better scenes and even you couldn't stomach when he tried to do his own thing.
Rian did it on purpose. He never liked Star Wars but hey, Lucasfilm offered it so just completely fuck up Star Wars for fun I guess. Kathy is an idiot.
>>220468599Not really, Rey's scenes at the island with Luke, and when she's mind-linking with Kylo are great and showed great promise...that was never really followed up on. And Luke's confrontation against Kylo was also fantastic, it showed that in some way Ryan did 'get' what an actual Jedi Master would be like, but for some reason he just couldn't apply that awareness to the rest of the movie and characters
>>220465732>Rey eventually becoming the villainIt's annoying that this whole plot point goes absolutely nowhere considering how openly telegraphed it is.>Rey is supposedly our good jedi, but she's quick to anger, emotion, and conflict>overpowers Kylo in both force use and a lightsaber duel several times in the first movie alone, despite being completely untrained>she does this by tapping into her anger, a clear sign of embracing the dark side>goes to train with Luke and immediately gets fed up with him, leaves a few days later>gets the dark side vision in the cave and outright ignores itMeanwhile, we have Kylo, who's constantly shown as wavering in his conviction as a sith trainee:>worried he can't live up to Vader's image>almost breaks down before he kills Han, still feels torn over it afterwards>gets treated as an absolute joke by both Snoke and Hux>hesitates before killing Leia only for someone else to do it for him (but not really, sike)Everything's set up for both him and Rey to switch sides but that would require showing a woman to be fallible and we can't have that.
>>220468574>The scenes with Rey, Kylo and Luke are very interestingOh? So you liked the scenes with the plucky young jedi goes to a deserted planet in order to meet the exiled jedi master and learn how to be a jedi but the master initially brushes off training them but then a blue transparent ghost from their past talks to them so they reconsider so first there's light physical stuff and then the master puts the young jedi in a spooky cave where they see vague visions and leans into the darkside which the jedi master doesn't like but then the young jedi gets visions from across the galaxy and learns her friends are in danger so she ignores the jedi master's warnings and goes off to save them and then talks to the fallen darkside apprentice who serves the crinkly old master darkside user in an elevator and the apprentice brings him before his master who overpowers the young jedi and then it looks like the master is going to kill them but then at the last second the fallen darkside apprentice turns on the master and kills him and somewhere in there the darkside apprentice reaches out and offers the young jedi to join them but they turn them away and escape only to eventually be cornered by the darkside apprentice but the old master uses himself to lure the darkside apprentice away long enough for the young jedi and cast to escape on the Millennium Falcon specifically and then the old master vanishes leaving only his robes behind?Yeah, I can see why you'd like that. Real, what did the critics call it? "Daring and original and the haters hated how new it was"?
>>220468572nigger, no one cares about the prequels or sequles but trolling faggot shitskin mouse shills like yourself, trying to rewrite history through reddit memesthe shit you're defending got upstaged by a cartoon that had a more fleshed out world and more dynamic and beloved characters actually engaging in star wars behavior than ten prequels and sequel trilogies put togetherKill yourself and rid us of your incessant whining and trollinggo to israel and shill your subversive kike and it's ilk where people would actually listen
>>220468631Shit, I just remembered that the third movie outright has Rey using force lightning in a moment of anger. The audience is led to believe she just killed Chewbacca but then it's revealed he was actually on a different ship and he's fine because again, our heroine can do nothing wrong
>>220468589>In some aspects its the best sequel but everything sucks outside the Rey, Luke, and Kylo scenes.
>>220468169you are delusional. TLJ was awful and this scene is no exception
>>220468446exactly how could there have been such a cool new premise shown to us... then pulled away all in the same filmwhat the hell were the writers doing
>>220468652No, I don't remember any of that happening in TLJ, you must've been watching an entirely different movie.
>>220468655This post is extremely low quality.
>>220468628>And Luke's confrontation against Kylo was also fantasticAh yes, the scene where he showed up after most of them were dead, distracted him for a minute while crossing his fingers that nobody shot him and just saw he was fake and then let the others flee for their lives.Yeah that Rian sure did realize what a Jedi Master was supposed to be, someone who doesn't actually do anything to the darkside users who just killed a bunch of people and kind of hoped things would work out. I see why those kids were so inspired, I can almost hear them say "Yeah I hope I get to die so everyone can run away and hide next time!" just as any children would.Face it, that scene is a regurgitated spitup of Obi-Wan's sacrifice with less sense and less inspiring, but the movie told you it was so you just bought it.
>>220468652>and then the master puts the young jedi in a spooky caveLuke specifically told her NOT to go into the hole and was outraged when he found out she did>the rest of that wall of seetheholy stretching, batman!
>>220468680>No, I don't remember any of that happening in TLJ,Not surprising, the only parts of it you seem to remember are youtube clips and buzzwords.
>>220468695Yeah I get Luke storming in in with a light saber isnt in his character but just willing himself to death for no reason is baffling. He didn't even bide them time or help them escape all he did was piss Kylo off then killed himself for no reason
>>220468695>>220468704more easily disregarded faggot reddit spaced scribble, the subhuman faggot really think greentexting like that makes him look smart and not like a fucking retarded moron he is
>>220468695The scene showed and proved that a true Jedi Master does not need to do embarrassing faux kung-fu with a glowy stick to utterly dominate his opponent. The scene where he seems to tank the full might of the army's firepower and come off unscathed was the only time Rian's attempt at 'subverting expectations' worked as intended, where Luke's status as a legendary figure both in and out of universe is played with, subverted, and ultimately played straight when he's shown to be performing a feat even more impressive than that
do you understand how much of a fucking loser you have to be to camp a thread like this defending either the prequels or sequels, please let this be a telegram bot and not an actual person
>>220468678They were SUBVERTING YOUR EXPECTATIONS, anon!You expected to see a good movie, but you got a shitty one instead. No refunds!
>>220468740>The scene showed and proved that a true Jedi Master does not need to do embarrassing faux kung-fu with a glowy stick to utterly dominate his opponentNo, it showed the opposite. Because he didn't dominate his opponent. He stalled him for less than 5 minutes and then said opponent went on to take over the galaxy while he did. It showcased how ineffective the pacificsm was, leading only to his own death and not a single casualty on the opposing side, AFTER the opposing side just wiped out the rebellion. Maybe if this had come first and he saved a decent chunk of them, sure, but everyone alive fit into one mid sized spaceship. Easily. Showing the entire universe that no, he's really not that impressive, it was all an illusion and he failed utterly to stop the people killing across the universe. Here they go, pretending to dodge and running away again as children do!Also saying "Faux Kung-fu" when talking about the scene with the awful matrix moves is some kind of mental gymnastics.
Ideally, the prequels should have been written as a counterbalance to the original trilogy by focusing slightly more on the Empire and the Sith than on the Rebels and the Jedi. Show how the Empire came to be this absolutely enormous, wealthy, and powerful organization full of highly intelligent engineers and architects. Show the quality and nature of the upper-most leadership that directed the entire organization. Show the means through which they acquired land, wealth, and power. Show how they wielded all of that vast power and wealth. It would give far greater emotional and intellectual meaning to the sacrifices made by the rebellion and to the victory they achieved.Instead, they went full video-game, pew-pew, bing-bing-wahoo with the prequels. Made worse with the inclusion of what is arguably the worst character ever put to screen -- Jar Jar Binks.The sequels could have also went that route, showing how the Empire got itself up off the mat after the defeat and grew to become an even greater power in the galaxy than it was before. Instead, what we were given was basically a sci-fi version of a Hallmark Channel Christmas romance tv-movie.
>>220468740>true Jedi Master does not need to do embarrassing faux kung-fu with a glowy stick to utterly dominate his opponent. TI think you forgot what actually happened in that scene because it was literally, unironically, Luke doing Faux Kung-fu. That's what he actually did. Complete with Shitty CGI Matrix Slow Mo Dodge.
>>220468796He absolutely dominated Kylo. He showed him that despite all his rage and power, power that let him kill Snoke even, he was still entirely on a different level above him. He humiliates him in front of his entire army without even needing to actually be there to do so, which is an extremely Luke thing to do. His greatest moment is, after all, when he refuses to fight and kill his own father, so him being able to thwart Kylo by transcending violence itself is extremely fitting for the sort of character he is. It showcases what makes Luke cool way better than the embarrasing and tired 'Vader effortlessly kills a bunch of randos' copypasta scene that the shows and Rogue One keep reusing over and over, if you ask me
>>220468796>Showing the entire universe that no, he's really not that impressive, it was all an illusion aThat's what the scene was really about and it's laughable when people try to frame it as some majorly impressive move Luke did that totally inspired people.No, all it was, in addition to being a copy paste from a better movie, was showing the all that impressive stuff you dreamed Prime Luke would be was fake. It was all an illusion. He couldn't do anything to blaster fire, he couldn't easily and quickly humble and defeat someone like Kylo Ren like everyone expected, all he could do was pretend for a little bit and we intercut those scenes with Rey effortlessly lifting a thousand tons of rock second after having swooped in and outflying the Tie Fighters and just a bit after having clashed with Kylo for the saber again and leaving him unconscious on the ground in defeat, again. It showcased everything the audience wanted Luke to be, without actually letting him that hero. It was all in Kylo's mind, it was all down to them just believing the lie and ultimately he couldn't save anyone. Rey did, he just died alone on a planet like Yoda did.That scene was saying "Yeah, we know what you want, but we want you to like our characters more because they're better!" and the greatest gift the general audience ever gave to the world was saying "Fuck no".
>>220468804The prequels do show Palpatine's machinations to create the Empire, and even if it's kind of hackneyed it's at least better than the sequels and their>uhhh the first order is just a fringe group of radicals on the outer rim>that also have the ability to take over the galaxy in the space of about six hours if they want>are they the imperial remnant? are they a neo-empire? are they an entirely new faction? do they have any ties to the empire beyond aesthetics? who fucking cares lol stop asking questions>how did they get here? why are they so powerful? how the fuck would we know
>>220463511Yup. On top of everything else, it’s a thematic clusterfuck
>>220468873>he was still entirely on a different level above him.No, he wasn't. That was an illusion that never could have hurt Kylo, and once he figured it out he just faded away.>He humiliates him in front of his entire army without even needing to actually be there to do so,Oh wow look at all the NOTHING that accomplished, they sure did change their minds when they figured out he was swinging at a hologram. Except no, they just went and followed him and took the place over like it never happened. Not even a comment to be said.>His greatest moment is, after all, when he refuses to fight and kill his own father, sHe absolutely did not refuse to fight him, he refused to kill him when he was defeated and that is wildly different. He didn't let Vader go unscathed like he did Kylo because he knew that just hoping at Vader would not work, he's literally the only person in the universe who would know that just trying with Kylo wouldn't work. He knows how effective a moment of mercy is, AND knows how ineffective hoping them to change is. It goes against what he learns completely in the better movies this copied.> if you ask meI can't agree with any of this, because Luke's greatness is both how he's willing to fight for his friends to the end but also has compassion for those who are defeated. He's unwilling to let the Emperor hurt his friends and will swing at him but he's not going to kill a downed opponent, that's not the Jedi he became. A better Jedi than what came before him, who demanded he kill Vader and would not believe in a better way. Obi-Wan and Yoda said a Jedi would kill Vader and the Emperor, he found out a way to stop them both without it.That's what worked, and why this shitty movie couldn't do any better than a copy paste without understanding it.
>>220463996Kek
>>220463511So did they move the goalposts to now it'll be ~In fifteen years~ people will totally look back on them as masterpieces, or did the 10 year thing coming and going finally make them realize "Hey these movies are shit and most people don't like them or want to see anymore star wars now" Just another ten years and it'll flip, promise!
>>220468989>That was an illusion that never could have hurt KyloBecause he did not need to hurt Kylo physically to defeat him. Kylo's biggest problem is his own ego and insecurity, he already got his ass beat by Rey in the first movie and that changed nothing in his demeanor. Presenting himself before Kylo as this untouchable figure who can seemingly withstand artillery fire like it's nothing is a much bigger attack on him, by simply being there he's already wounding his ego and petulance, which is exactly what Luke was looking to do. Him showing up physically and just doing generic superhero shit with his powers like he does in the Mandalorian would have been dreadfully boring, reducing him to yet another 'jedi who fights super good', of which we already have a surplus of. That scene is the complete opposite of Attack of the Clones' Yoda scene where he pulls out a goddamn lightsaber and starts jumping and yelling, completely shattering the entire point of his character's mystique
>>220464173it's okay to be gay, anon
>>220469127Carrier Fischer is fucking ugly and had the body of a ten year old boy, jews not even onceYou can go back to posting androgynous ai gens of Emma Watson on /gif/ now, you fucking pedophile faggot
>>220469080>Because he did not need to hurt Kylo physically to defeat him.Oh? What did he need to do in order to defeat him? Because he didn't in the movie. He did literally nothing to stop his advancement in the domination of the galaxy. Kylo remained firmly undefeated afterwards and any "Shame" from not killing a hologram would've brought about sure as hell didn't exactly seem to have any sort of effect on his subordinates listening to him and obeying him. As you said REY defeated him and soundly at that. She could've killed him literally 10 minutes ago in this very movie if she didn't decide she couldn't kill him for a reason so just walks away and whoop in joy while blowing up tie fighters, figure that shit out, but Luke left that fight and died without doing more than making him huff a bit for 5 minutes.>Presenting himself before Kylo as this untouchable figure who can seemingly withstand artillery fire like it's nothing is a much bigger attack on him, Does not fucking work when the illusion drops, does it? What's the logic here? "Oh, all that stuff I just felt still applies even though I know it was a hologram"? What wound on his ego would be there besides "I got fooled for a little bit"? None, and any that remained would feel small when he takes over planets while Luke remains a pile of clothing.It's everything a pacifist shouldn't be. They're not out to ragebait them and then die uselessly, they should be willing to stop them but unwilling to bring more harm than need be. It's idiotic as a story and idiotic as a character move because by its nature it cannot last more than a brief time as far as any "Damage" to Kylo it inflicts. Once he gets to march on and take the place over while Luke gets to be fucking dead and without leaving a scratch, I think he'll get over it.> boring, But it wouldn't have been blisteringly stupid and a shitty copy-paste of a better movie while leaving no impact, so it has that going for it.
>>220463511women ruined star wars.
>>220469080>reducing him to yet another 'jedi who fights super good',As opposed to "Jedi who fights super good with pretend"?You trying to convince people that seeing Luke fight again after like 30 years would be "Boring" really kinda shows you just bought into what you were told and not what you're seeing. Because I'm pretty sure>Does nothing to Kylo besides makes him angry for a minute and then Kylo goes on to take over the universe while he fucking dies alone on a planetIs pretty mystique shattering, I should say. You can deny it if you want and say it totally still made Luke look cool, but I'm afraid you're pretty alone on that island.
>>220469258>Does not fucking work when the illusion drops, does it?Of course it does, the illusion dropping is part of the entire trick! Kylo has been led to believe that he's finally become a big enough of a threat to lure Luke out of his exile, he just managed to kill Snoke with a cheap shot and is in charge of the entire First Order, surely he can easily kill Luke now, right? But there he comes, looking nonchalant, and easily tanking gigantic laser blasts. He comes down to fight him personally, to prove he's powerful enough to defeat the legendary Luke Skywalker, someone who just brushed off concentrated firepower from his entire army...and then it turns out he wasn't even there. Kylo is still not dangerous or powerful enough to lure Luke out, all his might and he's still not wise enough in the ways of the force to see past his illusion. I'm sure Luke COULD have used more aggressive, harmful powers and tricks if he wanted to...but he didn't need to. He makes Kylo go all out against a shadow, showcasing how blind his rage and hatred have rendered him
>>220463511It is an incoherent and stupid movie.
>>220469258>figure that shit outEveryone is both super unwilling to kill the people at the top because it would make them bad for some reason but also really happy to murder the fuck out of storm troopers, like they really fucking like killing stormtroopers.
got this faggot nigger seething so hard, he decided to write an entire samefagging essay in response, stupid nigger no one is reading that shit
The prequels were good.
>>220469350>Of course it does, No it absolutely did not in the movie.>the illusion dropping is part of the entire trick! No, the trick was the trick, to stall him. The illusion dropping was when he realized he'd been fooled and then literally next scene goes right back to what he was doing. > Kylo has been led to believe that he's finally become a big enough of a threat to lure Luke out of his exileBoy howdy I'm sure he felt silly before he felt Luke die seconds later. There's no character logic to keep Kylo upset after that, he won! He beat Luke without even touching him, and now he gets to rule the galaxy and nobody can stop him. Luke didn't fight his army like he feared, he died alone somewhere in the distance like he wanted.> surely he can easily kill Luke now, right?Again, everything you said is undercut because he DOES, that's what happens. Luke dies and he knows he dies. >Kylo is still not dangerous or powerful enough to lure Luke out, Or he is and Luke hid away and died instead of facing him, so now he's free to go take over the Galaxy. Remember that? Remember how he did that?> sure Luke COULD have used more aggressive, harmful powers and tricks if he wanted to...but he didn't need to.I mean unless he wanted to, you know, in any way shape or form prevent the deaths of thousands across the galaxy as it's crushed under the bootheel of those who just destroyed planets. Sure, he could've done something if he wanted to stop that, but how could he shamelessly copy the beat from ANH if he did anything with a lasting impact?> showcasing how blind his rage and hatred have rendered himAnd proving once and for all Luke was too afraid to fight him and died alone.Whoops. Didn't think about thirty whole seconds later, did you? It's always that post trickery thing that gets you.
>>220469402If they were they wouldn't have had a come to jesus moment publicly acknowledging how shit the first two were and how they were going to do their best to make the third one more like the Star Wars people actually liked lol
>>220469358Including the stormtrooper who realized the stormtroopers are being brainwashed and forced to because he was brainwashed as a stormtrooper and forced to fight for them. Just everyone is really fucking happy to kill those guys. They're not even out for revenge or bitter about things, you'd think at the very least Rey was doing it because of all those people that got blown up, but no she's cheering as she flies around not-hoth just having the time of her life killing stormtroopers.
>>220469454Luke died on his own terms, knowing he would before the scene even started, and through no act of Kylo at all. You keep insisting it's a ripoff of Obi Wan's sacrifice, but Vader did directly cause his death in that scene. Here, Kylo is offered the chance of doing just that...or so he believes. The outcome of the fight was already decided before he did anything, his agency had no bearing on its result. For all his power and rage, he's still unable to really do anything of importance, to prove himself as the big dangerous man he desperately wants to be seen as. He kills Snoke and then immediately continues doing exactly what Snoke was going to do regardless. And Luke dying without even allowing him to actually fight him for real is the ultimate humiliation for the kind of person Kylo is, now Luke will forever be the one person Kylo was never able to defeat in any manner, not in a fight, not in sheer power, and not in tricks
>>220469570>Luke died on his own terms,So did the guy who slammed into the Death Star's shield and he did just about as much damage to the Empire.>and through no act of Kylo at all.Unless you count 'the entire reason it happened' sure. Which you shouldn't, trying to say "Making him die trying to stall me" isn't because of Kylo makes as much sense as this movie, but the option to pretend is there.>You keep insisting it's a ripoff of Obi Wan's sacrificeRight. Because it is. I mean it's even the same method of escape, come the fuck on.>but Vader did directly cause his death in that scene. No he didn't, Obi-Wan faded into the force before he hit him. Kind of an iconic scene, I see why you'd forget.> Here, Kylo is offered the chance of doing just that...or so he believes. And gets it! Same result too, complete with "Doesn't really fight him seriously, and Not-Vader doesn't hit him but makes him fade away". Way to rip that scene off!>The outcome of the fight was already decided before he did anythingYou mean before Kylo caused the event. It was decided when he chose to fight Kylo to give them time to escape same as Obi-Wan choosing to fight Vader to give them time to escape, because it's a pretty bad rip off you see.>he's still unable to really do anything of importance, tKills Luke. Knows he kills Luke. Knows Luke is dead because he tried to stall him, not even fight him directly.>, to prove himself as the big dangerousWhelp, taking over the Galaxy might just do the trick!>s the ultimate humiliationAgain someone hiding from you and dying alone on a planet does not have the basis in character to be effective in this movie.>Kylo was never able to defeat in any manner,Except being so strong Luke hid from him and never could bring himself to fight him, only to die merely trying to stall him.And now he rules the galaxy because Luke just died, from his perspective, being too cowardly to fight him. Could've prevented all those deaths, Luke!
>>220469681I just realized Obi-Wan did more to actually stop the non-Vader parts of the Empire due to his sabotage of the Death Star than Luke did to stop The Other Empire in this movie. Couldn't even rip off that much, could you?
>TFA comes out>99% of the negative criticism that does exist is "this is just new hope again, can't they do something new">Disney execs think "boy if we can just fix this one thing we can make literally a perfect movie">Disney realizes that if they make too different of a movie though they might miss out on nostalgiabux>Rian solves the problem by remaking Empire in a way that shits on absolutely everything and blames the audience for Disney being creatively bankrupt>Disney eats it up because this is relatively edgy for them and they think will let them have their cake and eat it too>They don't realize what they've actually done until the movie comes out
>>220469782I’ll never be over this.
