Movie 2-4.1 look shit, can I just skip to Breaking Dawn Part 2 to watch Vampire Avengers vs Vampire Nobility?
>>220470346Sure, you can do that if you want! I hope you have a great day :)
>>220470379Hope you have a great day too! :)
>>220470346If you just skip the first 30 minutes of the first movie it's good after that. Not even lying, it's literally just the first 30 minutes where it's another retarded emo female power fantasy, as soon as Edward comes out as a vampire it goes full urban fantasy and its really good, in fact it almost goes out of its way not to be a female power fantasy. The subtext is more of an exploration of masculinity through female eyes, especially once Jacob turns wolf. The vampire nobility shows up in the second movie. The last movie is honestly a bit of a let down. It's not bad, it just doesn't have quite the same thematic depth as the first three.
>>220470346Have you seen them already?
the cullen family are all kino with the exception of edward and you fags need to get over it
>>220470391Lady?
>>220471799Edward is also kino, he's just unbelievably mega gay and super closeted about it. That's the fantasy, she turns him straight with the power of her pristine vagina. Half the twilight fangirls I know had a "genderqueer" phase, because they're all closet fujos. Introduce them to boylove anime and they forget Twilight even exists.
>>220470346there are barely any conflicts in twilight moviesjust struggle between two worlds, races, etc
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>>220471903Is this the anime that created the wizard meme?Is it any good?
Outside of vampires and werewolves is there any other fantasy race in the twilightverse?
>>220472111alice had psychic visions when she was humanthe werewolves aren't werewolves, they're native american shapeshifters from a specific tribe and the implication is that maybe there are or were other tribes that changed into other turbo animalsthe books mention that there were actual werewolves but the volturi killed them all, that's caius (the blonde volturi guy) is such a spazz about the cullens working with injun "werewolves", which is something that they did kind of keep in the movies
>>220471947Apparently the wizard meme dates back to the tokugawa shogunate in Japan. In terms of the 4chan wizard meme? no, that anime was last year I think.
>>220472111Tangentially related to your question, I have to say that this has to be the singular most retarded attempt to capitalize on a trend since the dawn of time. >What if twilight but angels and demons but there's also vampires and werewolves and stuff too. And then it goes straight female power fantasy, all the male characters are literally just orbiters and all the female characters exist purely to hype the MC up not to mention the villain is so two dimensional he may as well be a cardboard cutout of voldemort. For all the (perfectly justified) rage the boytists have about the M-she-U, it's gotta be said that what happened to YA content in the wake of twilight/true blood clearly shows that the girltist copped it first.
>>220472421except YA fantasy was never a thing for boysyounger males that read books tend to read "actual" books, like stephen king or whatevereven harry potter isn't actually YAalso the problem with the twilight rip-offs is that you can't actually replicate twilight unless you're a weird mormon housewife who didn't actually know what vampires are or how story structure should work and had never even written fanfiction or anything else beforehandthat's why shit like mortal instruments is just lame buffy-type shenanigans where the plot grinds to a halt for love triangle shitthe twilight books barely even have a plot
>>220472166>humans turn into wolves>not werewolvesis the writer of twilight retarded or just woman?
>>220472220Is it any good?
>>220471921Looks like zoomer Mike Enoch
>>220470346>everything is a le marvel filmPlease watch other movies.
>>220472465YA fiction devolved into the female power fantasy because the female power fantasy is so easy to write. That was basically Margaret Attwood's point when she wrote the handmaid's tale, that this is all just patriarchal nonsense masquerading as feminism. The basic rules of the female power fantasy1. The female MC has something special about her she did not earn (alegorically fertility)2. The female MC is the center of a love triangle between to very different men (who are the real subject of the story)3. The female MC makes no decisions which affect the plot (she is the object to be won). It's rewriting the illiad from the perspective of Helen and that's it's entire literary merit. The handmaid's tale went full Poe's law tho, instead of acting as a critique of the female power fantasy, it became its leading example. Twilight deliberately goes against this. 1. The only "special" thing about Bella is that Edward can't read her mind making her a completely ordinary girl. 2. Not only does Jacob never have a legitimate shot, but the only reason Bella even gives him a look-in is because he's basically just a poor-man's Edward (no, you have to stay away, my testosterone makes me evil, blah blah blah) while Edward is off being suicidally emo. 3. Literally every plot point is driven directly by something Bella wants and is determined to achieve. She wants out of rural seatle boredom, she wants to be a vampire, she wants to get fucked by Edward, she wants to have the baby. The entire story is about Bella figuring out how to get what she wants in a system of rules decided by men, for men. > you can't actually replicate twilight I can. This formula is fucking obvious to me. And I've definitely seen anime do it (The Villainess Lissotte). It's just retarded morons in hollywood that can't do it.
>>220472593I haven't seen it, I don't watch boylove, I'm not a fujo.
>>220472717>I canNo, you can't.It's essentially outsider art.A homeless woman who can barely read would have a better shot.>>220472539much like the vampires are barely vampires, the werewolves are, as I described, actually just mystical shapeshifters who happen to turn into large wolves
>>220472898Like I said, The Villainess Lisotte has already done it. If you want men to be the object of the story you have to objectify men which means you have to actually like men. This is the main issue with YA fiction today is they literally have zero respect for men. The mortal instruments demostrates that perfectly, the men are all orbiters with the exception of the gay guy who's just a cunt, and evil dad who's so fucking generic he's not worth another simile. "A man's only value is when he simps for me" is a moron's understanding of gender. If you want to write this shit well you have to write the MEN well.
>>220472989You're not describing twilight at all, and continuing to compare it to an anime makes me think you haven't read the book.twilight is written by a woman who had never seen vampire movies, read any vampire literature, had written anything before. I wouldn't called it brilliant in the classical sense, but the brilliance of twilight is that it's written by a woman completely untethered from convention, reasonable expectations, or insight or any kind.You'd have to actually read the book separate from meta-textual biases from the fan culture or the "movement" it caused but is not even actually a part of in itself.
>>220473085Bitch please, you're on /tv/. I don't read books and the books didn't make 3.3 billion dollars. I'm talking about what made Twilight so unbelievably successful where all it's would be copycats failed so epically that their failure is the only thing that makes them worth discussing. "Untethered from convention" is only useful the first time, and we have two examples of a female centered story, that is compelling and deliberately shirks the conventions of the female power fantasy. The Villaness Lisotte effectively launched the villaness genre, and that's untold billions as well (ask me how I know you don't watch anime). It's not fucking magic, it's not lightning in a bottle.
>>220473199>you're on /tv/>won't shut up about some anime I'm sorry, but Twilight is not like any of the things that copied it.You don't have any fucking idea what you're talking about and you now you're mad. But I'll humor you, Twilight has more in common with the fucking Cremaster Cycle than the gay little anime you're desperate to shill in this thread for some reason.
>>220473249>I haven't seen the villainesse lisotte because I don't watch anime because I don't respect the genre and that's why this all seems like magic to meI am sick of living in a world with normals it's not even funny any more. The anime/manga industry is worth FIVE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN JAPAN ALONE. Hollywood, accross all platforms and companies, is worth maybe fifteen billion dollars a year in 2026. 50% of mangakas (manga authors) are female. You are literally the attitude incarnate of why the M-she-U failed and why there hasn't been a twilight since twilight. The genre isn't vampire, it's YA fiction.
movie #1 is the closest to a 'good' movie, i get the feeling the director was trying to trim it down to some darj bkye mumblecore/indie flick, as was the style at the time.i don't remember much about the book, but Bella had even more friends (despite having zero personality). they REALLY trimmed down the whole 'who is Edward?!' non-mystery.movies #2 onwards are where they do the Team Edward vs Team Jacob, shirtless-fights bullshit. if you are homosex, great. if not, great. shit's hilarious, they start dropping more vampire lore and it's all goofy and stupid. the Cullens are the 'cold ones' because vampires have cold blood, but werewolves have hot blood, so Bella NEEDS to snuggle with them both to get her body temperature just right :))) if you want action, you've already had the best fight scene tbqh. if you're watching these for laffs, keep going. the scene where Edward explains being a virgin is funny as hell.
>>220472898yeah, but werewolves are basically shapeshifters that turn into wolveswhat's the difference? it's just autism of the writer
>>220473490>what's the differencetypically, lore and mechanics of the transformation's cause>it's just autism of the writershe calls them werewolves in the booksbut as I mentioned, she also states there were actual werewolves that existed at one point, and that the tribe of wolf shapeshifters is probably not the only tribe of native americans that can shapeshift into a specific animal formto put it in a way you might understand, it's like calling a 40 year old man who bangs a 16 year old girl a pedophile, you can certainly get away with using the term, but that's not what he is
>>220470391>>220471884Alice is icsh
>>220473707That's not What that means
Nessie is icsh
>>220472465>>220472717>>220472898i think you're overestimating the complexity/outsider-art-ness of Twilight. yes, she's a weird Mormon and it's clear she has some celibacy fetish, she also enjoys the idea of a man who COULD kill her but chooses not to. the latter isn't exactly uncommon, ask your female friends (if any) about it.and i say 'she' and 'her' because she cannot write characters. trivial/anal example: Bella uses her computer to Google 'what is a vampire please' and her computer screen fills with pop-ups... how typical! that's not because of how the internet actually works or any quality of Bella's (is she tech-savvy? is she tech-illiterate?) it's because that's how Stephenie Meyer has experienced using a web browser.there's now a whole genre of monster-fucking fiction. some is romantic/celibate, some is outright porn. i haven't read the novels themselves, but the Goodreads reviews are the funniest shit. the fans of these can (and routinely do) complain whenever the female protagonist ISN'T bland. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60510802-mated-to-the-monsterhttps://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/156140183-mated-to-the-minotaur-fate-s-falls-1two examples. read the synopses and then the the reviews. i love these people so much, /tv/.
>>220473861I watched the shoe on head video, that was enough (to know there's money in this). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3OPifyQZ8
>>220473861>there's now a whole genre of monster-fucking fiction.That's not even a relevant statement when discussing vampire romance in general. Vampires are rarely treated as actual monsters and would be more comparable to the sub-genre of "my boyfriend is a secret agent/government assassin/SWAT leader/crime boss" romanceBut this is also not even the category Twilight falls into given the romantic content is so bereft of the typical hallmarks one would find elsewhere in romantic fiction for women or even younger girls
>>220473969thanks, will watch.>to know there's money in thisyeah it seems like there's a sizeable audience. back in the day, this would be a few actual freaks on Furcadia or some shit. not wine moms in Barnes & Noble.>>220473986i mean vampires have always been sexy, especially in film, to the point it's SUBVERSIVE when they aren't (Guillermo Del Toro's Chronos).and Twilight definitely didn't invent YA/supernatural romance, it just got popular. but it obviously set this all off. the women currently reading 'Married to the Alpha, Marked by his Beta' wouldn't be off reading Anne Rice novels instead. we got here via Twilight.
>>220474083>back in the day, this would be a few actual freaks on Furcadia or some shit. not wine moms in Barnes & Noble.Nah sweetheart, Mills&Boon books have been around for a long time. I was handed erotica by a man 40 years older than me when I was 14.
>>220474153haha i was about to bring up Mills & Boon specifically. biggest (?) romance publisher in the world. my fucking grandma read them.but the old ones were pretty celibate and wholesome. at most, the couple spent the night together. then in the 90s (?) they intentionally got steamier. but the ones i read in the 2000s were always shit like>Jane McPlain, who liked books and wore makeup (but never too much of it), locked eyes with Safiah al-Moneybagz, the handsome Arab prince who owned the hotel she was staying in.they were wish fulfilment but pretty 'grounded', same shite as those 'true life' women's magazines.M&B actually added a dark/supernatural romance imprint in the 2010s. because of Twilight. IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF TWILIGHT, ANON.
>>220474256IDK, a lot of it was pedo coded and incest coded. I think the overton window of paraphilia just shifted. Also interview with a vampire was getting female gooners sloppy long before twilight. I'm telling you, they're all secret fujos.
>>220474083>and Twilight definitely didn't invent YA/supernatural romanceI never said it did. But I have repeatedly said it basically isn't one, when using all the common tropes that define the genre.There are supernatural elements, and it is a romance, but so is Stephen King's Christine.
>>220473969I hate this stupid tryhard bitch>I'm totally not like the other girls, I'm one of the good ones!!! Give me attention for shitting on my own people!!!Also her voice is grating, she sounds like a transitioning man
>>220474368All of that and so much more is why I love her.
Did they?
>>220474434>written by a mormonumm...
>>220474434jacob does come out pretty clean at the end of the serieseven if everyone else had died, he was set up with millions of dollars and fake identities to live with his perfect loli wife
>>220474321yeah i mean the most obvious, real-world example is>the serial killer might not murder ME! i can fix him, i'll be the special one!(note: no specialness required.)what's changed is women now pretend they enjoy true crime because it's ACTUALLY teaching them how to stay safe, it's precautionary, 'spotting red flags', some bullshit. nah, you just find it morbidly fascinating and a bit saucy. you liars.>>220474365oh fair enough anon, sorry for misunderstanding. i remember the old Anne Rice/World of Darkness nerds were INFURIATED at Twilight. but now that's so long ago that Twilight itself is the trend-setter they once were. in terms of cool vampire books doing things a bit differently, I Am Legend remains the GOAT. but that's well-written science fiction, and therefore a boy book for boys.
>>220474434Are werewolves also immortal like vampires?
