>“There are Mycenaean daggers that are blackened bronze,” Nolan said. “The theory is they probably could have blackened bronze in those days. You take bronze, you add more gold and silver to it and then use sulfur… With Agamemnon, Ellen [Mirojnick], our costume designer, is trying to communicate how elevated he is relative to everyone else. You do that through materials that would be very expensive.”>Nolan also defended the casting of rapper Travis Scott as a bard, whose appearance in an early trailer caught some by surprise.>“I cast him because I wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap,” Nolan said.>Anyone who’s been following Nolan’s career knows the British filmmaker is painstaking when it comes to accuracy. On “Interstellar,” he hired a team of scientists to get the physics to be as accurate as possible. He took a similar approach to “The Odyssey,” adding that the only people outspokenly critical of his choices "obviously weren't there".Fucking *MIC DROP*https://variety.com/2026/film/news/christopher-nolan-the-odyssey-armor-travis-scott-backlash-1236745858/
>British filmmaker is painstaking when it comes to accuracy.too bad he didn't hire any greek to play greek people
>>220472347yeah it's pretty good as a rationale. one of those examples of reality differing from cultural memes about a time period.
>>220472347It’s described as gleaming bronze. It’s a significant part of what makes the imagery of the Iliad so vivid
>Odyssey haters BTF-ACKOK, benchod.
It's weird how people care so much about historical accuracy in a fantasy movie. It's straight up fantasy with monsters and shit in it. Why care so much about historical accuracy?
>>220472433Modern Greeks ≠ ancient Greeks
>>220472347>The theory is they probably could have blackened bronze in those days.But could they have blackened their own skin?
>>220472533Is it really too much to ask to not have black people playing Greek characters in a Greek epic?
>>220472347REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR
>>220472347>>He took a similar approach to “The Odyssey,” adding that the only people outspokenly critical of his choices "obviously weren't there".Interesting to me that you’ve used the classic 4channel greentext format to imply you’ve quoted this directly from the Variety article, but this exact sentence doesn’t feature in it at all.What were you trying to say with this, marketer-kun?
>>220472533BMW etc
>>220472347>this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap
>>220472625It definitely does say that was his approach.
>>220472730I'm so mindbroken by bbc i forgot the car existed and thought BMW was Black Something White like BWC or something.
wai peepo got no kulcha
>>220472533because it's not a high fantasy setting like lord of the rings, it is a myth that grew out of historical reality. it also isn't so much a lack of authenticity people are responding to as it is how shitty and clashing the different elements of the aesthetic are. odysseus and his troops feel at least somewhat rooted in a shared cultural expectation of what the odyssey "should look like" and then agamemnon looks like a cosplaying faggot at an anime convention. it sticks out like a sore thumb and destroys willing suspension of disbelief.
>>220472730See that's retarded.>Ayhum they wouldn't have that shine to the armourIs rather different than>VROOM VROOM VOLKSWAGEN IN DA PELENOR FIELDS BOYS!now isn't it?
>>220472533Ur right they should all drive around in cars because its just fantasy bro
>>220472818No it isn't, you're just a disingenuous moron.
>>220472533BMW.
>>220472347>“I cast him because I wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap,” Nolan saidFuck off he didn't say that
>>220472818NO, ITS NOT RETARDED. YOU JUST SEEM UPSET PEOPLE ARE REJECTING JEW DOGSHIT IN THEIR HISTORICAL EPICS.
>>220472856Yo yo this is the mothafockin' story of a pussy ass nigga named Agamemnon
>>220472347>he hired a team of scientists to get the physics to be as accurate as possible>the movie ends with dude observing inside of his home from space banging a bookshelf using gravity
>>220472552That pol-cope has been debunked.
>>220474021
>>220472433viking ships where actually identified as greco/greek.. it's very progressive of Nolan to have LGBTQ+ representation especially when you consider that the B is for BOATS
Armor looks just amazing. How does he do it?!
>>220472533It's a fantasy movie so of course there's going to have deep fried chicken in ancient Greece because they did had olive oil since olive trees where also the symbol of Athena (Zendaya) the goddess of wisdom (DAS RITE). Greeks in Korfu discovered fried wings and made KFC before Kentucy actually
>>220472347The region Troy exsited in was part of the Hittite empire which not only had written language but also obsessive need to write down chronicles of local events from neighboring countries. So fuck your rap Nolan.
>>220472347That armor is black? I have been thinking it was blue ever since it was first shown. Like the Senate guards in the Star Wars prequels. Why would you want to make an alloy with metal as soft as gold for fucking armor? That seems pretty retarded. Why not just not wear armor?
>>220474035>>220474021You don't know what these are showing. Haploretards are the biggest pseuds
>>220474354Because those are societies based around the concept of aristocratic honor, not regional warfare.the odysee is low key about the transition of the former into the latter.
>>220474395Rational, not regional
>>220474395No wonder their civilization fell.
>work constantly references the blinding shininess of the bronze armor>uuuuuuuuuuh what about this knife they found oncemore hilarious because all bioleninists are trained to argue like this
>>220472347this board is gonna be unusable when this movie releases
>>220474486dont worry rotten tomatoes will give it a 99% positive rating
>>220474429Yes, Romans had less of this in their warfare
>>220472533>i-it's fantasy, so anything goes!Fuck you, nigger. Laziest argument of all time.
if you don’t like Helen’s casting, you’re a fucking racist btw
>>220474586>User location is Hollywood
You can literally blacken or at least severely darken bronze and copper alloys using ammonia fumes, which would basically mean suspending the bronze item in an enclosed area fill of piss, like a pigsty or stable, or outhouse. Copper arsenic alloys can also be made to have a dark brown/purple color using ammonia or sulphur, and arsenic bronze was a major type of bronze alloy before tin bronze was developed, and arsenic copper alloys are still traditionally used for Japanese metalwork.
>>220472617>dey hea
>>220472533It's not fantasy, it's mythology. There's a difference. And it's specifically greek mythology. Mulan, likewise, is a mythological chinese folk heroine. Imagine if hollyjew made an adaptation where mulan was presented as black.
>>220474021debunked by Olalde 2021
>>220474586>headcanons why in this adaptation she is a nigger completely disregarding the source >actually chuds have not read iliad and odyssey bazinga
>>220472347Is this guy supposed to be Trump? Does even Nolan have fucking TDS now?
>>220472347>“I cast him because I wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap,” Nolan said.
The armour still looks retarded.
>>220472347I got nothing to contribute to this thread. I just want to say tranny janny is a fucking nigger
>>220474021My understanding is that the true Greeks burned their dead, so from whose bones did they draw that ancient DNA?
>>220472749stop watching porn. I'm dead serious, anon
>>220472347What about the spandex?
For people shitting on the square columns in that one shot, check out the white columns in the background. Photographic evidence that nolan is on point with set dssign.
We wuz da Grease ‘n sheeeeeit
>>220475471DATS RITE! WIT GREASE WE COOK FRIED WINGS!
>>220472533Why don't the Greeks just chariot around in BMWs and cross the Aegean in battlecruisers? It's just fucking fantasy after all.
>>220475452>Triumph Of Achilles, Painted In 1892 By Franz Von Matsch>1892
>>220472347It looks like temu plastic
>>220474586Look, I'd fuck her without hesitation but that doesn't mean she's a proper fit for the role. Too many retards defending this using the blatantly wrong argument about why. I might actually respect some of these people if they just admit the real reason they cast certain people for certain roles.
>>220472433Are the Turkified Balkanoids living in Greece today the same people who lived in Mycenean Greece?
>>220472347>muh historical accuracy>mycenaen greek armor is supposed to look like thisnolan is robbing us of this potential kino and retards will defend it
>>220472552Still 100% more greek than africans
>>220472347It still wouldn't look like carbon, and he still have batman helmet.Also why the giants have steel armors in bronze age, and why bronze age warriors only wear leather (with fucking pants)
>>220472533>It's weird how people care so much about historical accuracy in a fantasy movie. It's straight up fantasy with monsters and shit in it. Why care so much about historical accuracy?
>>220475808more than africans and americans perhaps?
>>220472347>this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap35 years of being alive and it's been a broken record of the same shit over and over again designed to pretend that niggernoise is equivalent to written epics
>Hey Odysseus, lemme tell you sumthin'. I'm a better father than you, Odysseus. I'm better for Penelope, than you, man. It's cause I'm a better man than you, Odysseus. Cause I can be here and I'll fight for it. You come back here and you just destroy everything! You got a broken woman. You got a weak boy. You ain't got the first clue on how to fix it. Raise your bow."
>>220475808Yes
>>220472617Why is Helen in it at all? She's not in the Odyssey at all that I recall. Agamemnon is only in the underworld.Why not just start the story where it starts.
I predict a flop.
>>220477451She's one of the people Telemachus talk to when he's asking around for news about his father, in the first part of the book
>>220472347The casting for this film has been retarded. I don’t care about the props and costumes as much as it looks like he just picked names out of a hat
>>220477726True. But everything about this shit product looks retarded. What doesn't feel picked up from a hat look like it was made bad on purpose.
>>220477708I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. It's been a little while.
>>220472347>OdyssyusGerard Butler>Helen of TroyAnya Taylor-Joy>AchillesAlan Richson>AthenaAngelina Jolieftfy Nolan
am I the only who who think Nolan has been influenced by the CHAD Villeneuve more and more with the years?this Odyssey seems shots a lot like Dune's and other movies
>>220477451She was a major character in book 4 you idiot
>>220478097cold, sterile, soulless pseudo-intellect.
>>220472347also what pisses me of is, I studied these fucking boring texts, I had to translate them from ancient greek in high schoolhomer spends a lot, and i mean A LOT of time describing stuff, thats probably where Tolkien got his thing about describing leaves and stuff, but I digresswe have very specific, very detailed descriptions of armor, weapons, helms, shieldkeep in mind, this was the bronze age, it was the equivalent of describing the latest space ship, it was peak technology for them, it was such a big deal and people fought and died over who should receive the spoils after the death of the heroes is part of the epicso yeah, this generic plastic looking armor is mid
>>220478167but it works great for Dune and its clear as day it doesnt for these kind of movies so
>>220478197Well Nolan disproved you by comparing poems to rap music and rap music don't describe anything so you're wrong
>>220478216Nolan has proved with time hes more of a>all looks, no substancekind of directorit doesnt surprise me he doesnt care about the cultural parts of his workhe didnt understand batman ffs
>The theory is they probably could have blackened bronze in those days>but we won't have good music because they wouldn't have had it back then????
>>220478247>all looks, no substanceWell since everything so far has looked like shit seems like he proved you wrong LOL
>>220472347that helmet looks dumb
>>220478265well, yeah thats pretty much the point I usually liked his style but he was all over the place but at least his visual language was coherent and had depththis thing looks like LARPING compared to the Ulysses movie with Kirk Douglas
>>220472347Rap is dead and only teenagers still like it
>>220475303They did in the Archaic and Classical period, the Myceneans did not.
>>220472347I read mycenean n-
>>220478338chinger changer mycenean dagger
>>220472533It is still based on a historical period, region, and culture that existed, with its own known rules and aesthetics.
>>220472533you're right, they should put a taylor swift concert in the movie too
>>220474706the most iconic version of Mulan has a black man playing a dragon
>>220472347>>Anyone who’s been following Nolan’s career knows the British filmmaker is painstaking when it comes to __________what is it brethren?>retardation>hackery>inaudible dialogue>nonsensical plots>shoving third worlders in wherever he can>grey
>>220478260imagine if Mel Gibson had made this instead
>>220472533I dont want niggers in my fantasy movie. Why is this so difficult for you to get?There are no black people in my dreams
>>220472533
>>220478400He'd cast Kanye and play his Nigga Heil Hitler instead
>>220478411Mel made a movie with a 100% mexoinjun cast entirely in mexoinjun ooga booga language and hollywood jews tried to recancel him for it.
If black people invented all white music, including ancient Greek music as evidence by Travis Scott...why doesnt Africa have big music stars?
>>220472347Where in the ven diagram of Travis Scott fans and the oddessy enjoyers would there be intersection?
>>220472347Historical accuracy doesn't matter (though what he said is somewhat of a stretch).The only thing that matters is perceived accuracy within the context of the movie.And what stills/trailers we saw show sanitized plasticized slop.
>>220474586>if you don’t like Helen’s casting, you’re a fucking racist btwI know I am but that isn't the reason why I think it's a bad choice
>>220474298>LGBTQ>Lesbos>Greece>Boats>Theseus>Queen (referring to Helen the Nubian Queen)
>>220474586Non Greeks were called barabarians.
>>220474298Phoenician design is more likely I think. Who knows where the design came from first.
>>220478500because it's too elevated for us and their jungle drums going thum thum thum thum pikpakapok pikpakapok is beyond the rest of the world.only wakandites can appreciate it.
>>220472533Just no niggers please
>>220474586I'm racist
>>220474586I don't need to pretend anything. that thing doesn't register as human in my instincts let alone my conscious mind.
>>220472533nice bait
>“I cast him because I wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap,” Nolan said.>Orphic poetry is like rapNo it's not.
>>220474671
>>220475471wiypipo don seesun they greease
>>220478097dune is sterile because the book has tons of muslim and persian influences so they had to not only ruin the aesthetic (main villain is a grotesque pederast who loves twinks) but also censor the language and motivations
>>220478097>here's that one colour and ZERO SET DESIGNI fucking hate that soulesss cuntat least nolan came up with bane posting
>>220472347Well this is just very dishonest. There are a million things people are making fun of about the obviously shit artistic decisions and art direction so he picks 2 very narrow decontextualized ideas, one which is extremely tangential to peoples complaints(the colour of one characters armour) and one where right or wrong he thinks he can barrel through on the suggestion that you're racist if you don't like it.The colour of that armour is like, the least stupid and least ugly thing about it. He knows what people are actually saying, and how all encompassing their mockery is, he just pretends they're mainly saying its too dark so he can strawman act like he's sucessfully addressing and neutralizing the overall bad reception. No people are saying it looks comprehensively retarded. As does every single characters "armour" and clothes, as does everything in the movie. They really had two options here for shit that would look decent. Either make everything look like classical greece, with classical greek armour, on the basis that that's probably what Homer anachronistically pictured in his head, or extrapolate a whole new visual culture from the Dendra Panoply, which does look kinda stupid but it least it has soul and the legitimacy of reality. This movie is the worst combination of choices possible. Nothing looks like anything real, nothing reflects anything real, everything looks goofy or butt ugly or both, Agamemnon's armour isn't even as bad as the standard guys just wearing like...plates of flexible black rubber?
>>220478500great question, and I'd also like to add that jamaica has produced plenty of music stars while also being a country of negroes. do blacks need british influence to live up to their potential?
>>220478197>Grok give me a Homer accurate description of the armour, appearances of main character please.Its not hard to be accurate now. Nolan obviously wants the DEI Oscar.
>>220478894No. I'm just saying they dont get credit for all the music white people make, like some people claim.
>>220472533so what you're saying is the movie could be all blonde blue eyed white women in bikinis doing a dance interpretation of the oddyssey set to 70s disco and you would be okay with that?
It is basically like having black people play jews in a holocaust movie
>>220472347>I wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rapI'm picturing black fathers rapping their children to sleep and small rap theaters in the ghetto where the legend of Floydesseus is passed down
>>220472533I wanted a BMW m3 in my nolan movie tho
>>220472617>Helen of Troy, MI
>>220474586>specificall beautiful in a way that Paris would have found exotic and uniqueHe's talking about 2026 Paris, in France...right? Yeah I'm sure that 90% n0g city would find her attractive. But that's not what the world wants lol
Why is odysseh wearing leather armor then? He's a fucking king while achilles spent time being a femboy before the war.
>>220477766Clearly. She and Menelaus talk to Telemachus and then go do drugs, clearly both very unhappy.
>>220478146Leftroons REFUSE to reply to this lmao
>>220472433what greek actors would you have cast? And not mixed heritage mutts btw
>>220479905achilles wasnt gay, that's historical revisionism on the part of the boy-fucking classical greeks writing the story down 500 years later
But there are plenty of white rappers today though
>>220474586she's really hot and idc either way, but to pretend it's not an unconventional casting choice is delusional
>>220480298He wasn't gay, he was having sex with girls while crossdressing.
>>220472347Nolan is a hack
>>220478327what is the current music genre popular with the younglings ?
>>220480361it's the entire point. He cast black people to drum up controversy and get people to hate watch it
>>220480514pretty smart if so and as a bonus Lupita is still a very decent actress so he's not gimping his movie. It'd be funny if she barely gets screentime.
>>220480514>hatewatchingNot a real thing. The real reason?>Nolan went to THAT island and was told to shit all over white history by his mastersAre you even allowed to produce a hollywood movie if you don't grape kids? I'm thinkin 'no'
>>220480514wouldn't it have been more prudent to make a good movie so people would want to watch it and enjoy it and go see it multiple times for years to come?
>>220472347no mention of the elephant in the room there lol just the armor and travis scott
>the gods were niggersit makes sense though
>>220472347Didn't Ridley Scott say something similar about Napoleon?
>>220481185That he was like a rapper?
>>220472347Who cares, it's all fantasy, as they have a black Helen of Troy. They can all have laser sabres as far as I care
>>220480298>achilles wasnt gayWell that's news to Patroclese
not watching itnolan is a certified slop director and has been for some time
>>220480262Aggelina Papadopoulou
>>220480795if that other anon is right and she's barely in the movie at all, everyone is happy and nolan is a genius
>>220482491is the Callas movie any good? My granpa used to go on and on about her
>>220472533THIS post got them bubblin'
>>220482630idk. but i've watched the only movie with the actual maria callas in it the other day (Medea) and i do not recommend it.
>>220472347Nolan PEAKED at Batman Dark Knight Rises. But honestly, he is a wash out has been and a clown. He is reaching his sloppa phase like Cameron with Avatar and Spielberg with Ready Player One.
Watch it, Chrissy!https://youtu.be/40HPFGvZ4ro
