Was her chani even really that bad?
I just wish she was hotter. If she was a red head with DD cans I could see where Paul was making a sacrifice. Dumping a 5/10 mulatto from Oakland breaks the immersion.
>>220494286wtf
It's actually quite incredible that normies have been able to delude themselves into thinking this creatura is attractive. I'm seeing the new version of it with that Lupita girl in the Odyssey. Actually really fascinating to watch
>>220494286It wasn't even Chani, halfway trough the movie she just starts to play herself and disregards everything the book says about Chani or what she's doing.
This is an 8 in America
I don't remember a single meaningful thing her character did.
>>220494286Not my Chani
>>220494286Balsamique liked her
>>220495068The imperial princess from the Dune Prophecy HBO show was actually a really good fit for Chani. Why didnt she get the role?
>>220496205>The imperial princess from the Dune Prophecy HBO show was actually a really good fit for Chani. Why didnt she get the role?
>>220494286Well this is a very complicated and nuanced question, so I'm going to really go in-depth with my answer so as to accurately communicate my thoughts and feelings on what is, ultimately, a difficult issue:Yes.
>>220494286Chani is a non-character in the first book.
>>220496232I still cant believe we have to endure yet another major motion picture staring that DOG of a woman. If you want a picture of the future, imagine having to look at Zendaya's face, forever.
>>220494286Yes, but she's not at fault, it's the writer who butchered the character, anyone would have been shit in this role.
>>220494286Zendaya is hugely popular with women both as a self-insert but also seems to play on their lesbian tendencies. This is a highly coveted and highly rewarded niche in Hollywood as being both aspirational but unthreatening is tricky and Sandra Bullock and that woman from Friends have badly aged out. Chalamet is of course highly twink coded so there is a lot going on there.
You zoomers are responsible for her being in everything now. You guys are so fucking retarded you actually think this half breed mutt is beautiful and a sex icon.
>>220497522I'm not sure she has a character. I think the north/south divide amongst Fremen is interesting and speaks to something deeper in the story which is the main thing they made her about.
>>220495068OK Incel.
>>220498505redditfag go back.
>>220494286yes, her and timmy are two main reasons I will never watch it.
>>220498532make me :3
>>220494286Yes. Chani was supposed to be Paul’s single most loyal follower. She wasn’t even a fanatic, she just loved Paul so much that she was a league above the rabid follows he had.Stilgar was the one who took it upon himself to keep Paul’s ego in check, and he always made sure to do it in private so he didn’t Sabotage his authority in full view of everyone.
Chani... easy on the spice
>>220495139Well he likes piss, and is a frog so what the fuck does he know!
>>220494286it was horrible. She came across as whiny & weak. A woman pretending to be a 'girlboss' instead of a real one
>>220494286Im currently reading the first 6 dune books and thought she did a fine performance. The movie is much different and more condensed but within that context I thought she embodied chani pretty well. Id say a big difference is her more pronounced critiques of both the colonizers of her world and the religion implanted by agents of said colonizers, but that just aligns with the movie taking that angle early on where the book did it in a more long winded and subtle way during the second and third books. Thats just the nature of movie adaptations of dense stories in my opinion.>>220494525What's an example of a moment that illustrates this deviation? Genuinely curious on a take that's actually about the character rather than just saying "she ugly" as a replacement for substantive critique
>>220494286Yes. This cunt ruins every movie shes in4 movies ruined to date. 3 spiderman and dune 1. Never again.
>>220494286Book Chani was feminine and loyal
>>220499132Nothing wrong with sharing fluids in the desert
>>220494286Yes. she was a reddit atheist level bitch. She shoudn't even be Paul love interest, in the book it served for Paul to have a human connection when everyone saw him as Muad'dib. Zendaya Chani is a bitch, unnatractive and just hates him, there is absolute zero reason for Paul to love her so much.
>>220499587But she bests many men in physical combat on the books, fremen and sardaukar alike, and expresses rage like those anti woke collages of women being mad. In what way is she disloyal in the movies?
>>220494286yes, stop baiting. none of you brown nu-chani enjoyers have read the book.
>>220494333you're low iq, brown and haven't read dune.
>>220499676this is me>>220499275
>>220499669>In what way is she disloyal in the movies?One she is not religious, in the book she bested men who wanted to fight her man but she's still submissive to him. She's not a fucking Fedaykin, she's a priestess and she doesn't ever talk back to Stilgar like a 2020s bitch
>>220499275>this mannish, feminist girl who has the same values as any dem-voting, californian one is just like the book version of chani, fr frcan you kill yourself?
>>220499729Oh, I see. You're just suffering from CDS.
>>220499710None of that signals disloyalty to paul. Shes loyal to paul in constrast to being a fanatic for the religious persona prebuilt for him. There's similar undercurrents in the books. She also carries out her duties as witness to his trials in the movie same as the books.
>>220499669>But she bests many men in physical combat on the books, fremen and sardaukar alikedo you just have no memory? she kills exactly one man in the first book, and that was a fremen challenger for paul. she never expresses rage. overall, her emotions are subdued and feminine, gentle. also, you're a fucking idiot.
>>220498363Chani is the daughter of Liet Kynes, who was something of a secular prophet for the Fremen, uniting them towards a secret, long term goal of teraforming Arrakis. Paul incorporates that goal into his messianic message to the Fremen. By taking Chani, the daughter of Liet as his woman, he is symbolically assuming Liet's authority and ecological project. Dunc 1&2 featured none of that context, and Chani's significance as a character is lessened by this omission.
>>220499787I mean people here have freaked the fuck out about a woman beating one man in combat before, but she was also part of stilgars squad and was constantly out in the desert doing what fremen do, killing men. She wouldve killed paul if not for another woman defeating stilgar in combat and forcing him to tell her not to. I think the chani you describe lives mostly in your head.
>>220499787Also if you read Messiah youd see many pages dedicated to her rage over a certain element of a bene gesserit plot
>>220499764In the books she's his anchor to humanity, she exists to ground him. she's not his opponent like the movie again there is zero connection or reason for paul to fall for her
>>220499847Why do you keep ignoring the part where Chani is a priestess not a fedaykin?
>>220499899What are examples of her being an opponent? Is anything but fawning adoration perceived as antagonism or something?
>>220499847lol her being able to kill for the good of her tribe doesn't make a hysterical, mannish berserk woman, which is how zendaya portrayed her. even with the paul event, she says afterwards, "i would not have let you hurt my companions." There was no bloodlust in her. And there's no reason she'd killed anyone on patrol with stilgar's force. she was 13-14 at the time, and she'd likely not had the opportunity. The rage-filled girlboss chani doesn't exist in the book.
Well, yeah, it was the worst part of the film and is the main reason. It's not a ten on a ten that and the shitty cringe battle scenes
>>220494286just tired of this uggo nigger girl being shoved in everything.I will never watch dune because of her. Last movie I saw that she ruined for me was one of the spiderfag movies.
>>220499934Fedaykin arent the only fremen who kill dude. Is that what you're implying? She was at the battle of arrakis. Do you think she got to the emperor's throne room without killing anyone? As a child her responsibility was to wander battlefields finishing off the wounded and marking them for the deathstills, as all fremen children do.
>>220499676I have read all 6 books and I like NuChani, it translates Paul's doubt and regret over exploiting the Fremen from his inner monologue (something that doesn't work on screen) to an external character that also communicates what he is losing by becoming the Lisan al-Gaib. Now, it remains to be seen what will happen in Part Three - I am worried that it seems that the Children of Dune are already born and young adults by the time the events of Messiah happen and Chani may still be Paul's enemy but I trust Denis.
this thread is full of zoomer men who can't wrap their heads around a genuinely supportive, devoted woman and see no difference between this and a grimacing, hostile zendaya girlboss.
>>220499978Retard i'm saying that Chani in the books is a fighter but a priestess but in the movie they had to remove all feminity of her and make her a girlboss fedaykin.
>>220499883only the first book is canon.
>>220499955While I think you're being ridiculous in describing her performance, people in the books regularly describe the fremen as crazed animals in combat alongside saying the women kill with just as much ease and skill as the men. Putting chani in a bubble where she acts like your waifu despite her being fremen from birth requires quite the suspension of disbelief, almost as much as people who complain she's not pretty enough when all i can think is "where's the years of sun damage around her eyes and the scarring from the stillsuit tube going down one side of her face from her nose? She could also be more dessicated, looking a little water rich for a deep desert fremen"
>>220494286These movies are bad in general. Visually dull, uninspired and full of awful charisma void actors
>>220500079All of Frank Herbert's books are excellent and if you only like the first one you're a little manbaby who took nothing away from the story beyond "Paul finds out he's the most epicest and specialist boy in the entire universe :3"
>>220500085Well the book describes her as Paul loving girlfriend despite being a badadd fremen from birth. You know what it doesn't describe Chani being an awful raging ugly bitch
>>220499275Chani in the book is not only Paul's greatest supporter, she is his wife. The new movies shorten the timespan of the war with the Harkonnens significantly, going from years to a few months. In the book, Chani and Paul have been married in Fremen society and had a child killed by the Harkonnens before the climax.When Paul marries the emperor's daughter, instead of throwing a tantrum and storming off, Chani spends the next few years taunting Irulan about how she is a wife in name only just to legitimize Paul's ascension as the new Emperor and how Chani is Paul's real wife who gets fucked on a nightly basis.
>>220500018They never call her fedaykin in the movies, you're just using that phrase to describe the disparity between your imagined chani and the movie's, both id argue differ from the one in the book
>>220494286>Was her chani even really that bad?Ignoring the looks, she has zero chemistry with Tim. It doesn't feel like she's in love with him at all. That's made worse by the fact that Chani's religious zealotry was given over to Stilgar in the movie (cause you can't have a woman be fanatically devoted to her husband these days it seems).
>>220500140I think only bitter men online do the latter, and nobody ever says girlfriend in the book, though she is a concubine in both the book and the end of the second movie
>>220500164nta and I love DUNC but Chani says verbatim>I'm Fedaykin, I go where I'm neededright before the final battle. The movies change the definition of Fedaykin anyway, in the book it was the personal death commandos of Muad'dib who would fight with religious frenzy with suicidal abandon whereas in DUNC it's more of just a general warrior class of Fremen that predates Paul joining Sietch Tabr.
>>220500085>the fremen are generalized in this way, so this must be true of all of them>all their kids are constantly killing the wounded on battlefields, bro>chani, whom paul called his "gentle sping" or something like that, totally drooled with battle-rage all the timeThis is so dumb.
>>220500188both gurney and paul refer to chani as his woman in the first book.
>>220500188at the end of the second movie she is the only fremen left on the planet walking off into the dunes to die alone
>>220499955>which is how zendaya portrayed her. even with the paul event, she says afterwards, "i would not have let you hurt my companions."This is in the book, retard. kill yourself
>>220494286Chani's character is being loyal, supportive and ride and die for Paul. Zendayachani spent the entire 2 movies constantly belittling, undermining and disrespecting Paul. The Dune Messiah story can't work with this version of Chani. Is she going to lead the facedancer conspiracy? It's such a stupid needless change.
>>220500338>Is she going to lead the facedancer conspiracy?The entire conspiracy revolves around Chani dying and then hanging a ghola of her over Paul's head as leverage so I doubt it, though autismos online speculate that the shot of Chani on the worm in the trailer is actually scytale so he may pretend to be her to mess with Paul
>>220500313learn to read, you moron. the whole post was about the book version of her being far more feminine and calm.
>>220500375Her delivery in the movie isn't filled with bloodlust or abrasiveness either so I don't know WHAT the point being made is?
>>220494349How about you go fuck yourself?
>>220500395again, learn to read, moron. some other guy used her threatening paul as an example of her supposedly really being the movie-version of herself in the book too. I was pointing out that this was bs.
>>220495139based
Movie Chani sucks. There's no use debating it. She just misses the point of the character completely.
>>220494286I don't remember Chani in the book being a grumpy, standoffish girl making "that face" constantly.
>>220494525It's always the same character she plays
>>220500188Only faggots and self hating men like zendaya. You know what i mean, Chani is described as his loyal and loving woman/concubine, Paul described her as his life iirc
>>220500134objectively, the subsequent books have a much lower quality. I don't like the politics, stories and themes in them and will pretend they don't exist. simple as.
>>220496232Why does forcing behaviours always mean silencing white people over criticism of black behaviour?Why don't they force black people to behave?
>>220500620>objectivelyYou're just low IQ and probably self-inserted into Paul
>>220500134The third book is fucking garbage and you know it.
>>220500164Stilgar literally says "chani and her fedaykin will attack this side" or some shit like that.
>>220500763stop projecting, re ddit. your feminist, misery-porn slop just isn't good.
>>220500765Children of Dune is a little overwhelming on a first read when Leto is just tripping balls in a cave and you have no idea what Frank is getting at, but I found a LOT of enjoyment of that part on reread now that I fully understand what the Golden Path is and what Leto was hoping to achieve. All of the stuff with Alia being possessed by the Baron, Jessica training Farad'n, Paul as the Preacher and then Leto turning into the worm god emperor was kino
>>220500818>feministThe Honored Matres are all about how women wield sex as political capital solely so they can live life without responsibility or care. Most feminists would probably be outraged by that tbqhwho am I kidding though, you haven't read any of the books
>>220500857...that's literally what feminism is, retard
>>220500922yes, the honored matres are the bad guys and Frank is critical of them Again, you're getting mad about books you haven't read because you're low IQ and all you want out of media is self-insert fanfic lmao
>>220500857You're being ridiculous. The entire god-emperor slopfest is all about feminism and cuckholding. Those are two major themes in his book. It goes on and on about how superior women are and how a girl deserves to cuck a guy if he's handicapped, how sweet she is as she's going on dates with duncan's semen inside her.
>>220500957That dude talks about self-interting i be he sees himself as Leto II.
>>220501005you haven't even read God Emperor, you just heard secondhand that a character turned himself into a worm, thought it was icky and NOT epic like badass kung fu jesus paul muaddib and decided it was bad star wars fans turning to dune as a rebound from Disney wars were a mistake
>>220499275>What's an example of a moment that illustrates this deviation?Uh, well here's a quote I heard recently:>Id say a big difference is her more pronounced critiques of both the colonizers of her world and the religion implanted by agents of said colonizersThis hamfisted narrative has no place in the adaptation...it becomes abundantly clear that Paul is "exploiting" the Fremen in his own way as events unfold. He's fully aware of it (same as his mother) and the knowledge pains him, same as turning the bloodthirsty Fremen loose on the universe. Having his own consort declare it and "rebelling" is cringe af.
>>220501040You're talking to the wrong guy. anyway, i've read every dune book. all the slop, I've digested it. only the first book is good.
>>220494286It was the worst thing about both movies and by quite a long way at that. She was god-awful.
>>220501040I bet you loved Leto II watching Duncan fuck Hwi right? Your biggest fantasy. It's okay to admit it. Cucky
>>220494286No.
>>220501121I think you're projecting your own paranoia about getting cucked
>the fishspeakers set up a creampie session between hwi nori and duncanwew
>>220494286Yes. But stilgar flanderization was worse
paul and chani deserved better than what happened to them in the second and third books, and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
DOG OF A WOMAN
>>220494286She is described as being elf-like in the books, and the david lynch movie nailed it, in the new movies she looks orc-like instead.
>>220502030>jessica>abandoned alia; didn't bother checking in on her even>could have taken responsibility and kept her sane; thought it was too much effort and that there was too much sand on Dune>completely washed her hands>rejoined the sisterhood, the killers of her husband, instead>couldn't care less if paul was the preacher>completely turned against her family>gurney>zero loyalty to paul or the atreides>also turned against them
When Paul is making his speech and says "No one here can stand against me!" and everyone gets up to fight him, including Chani, I clapped. When the movie ends not with Paul freeing Arakas and the Fremen but with a closeup shot of Chani angrily going her own way I also clapped and pointed at the screen.
>>220502140Gurney is literally following Jessica's orders throughout most of Children and then serves Paul and Leto in the final act so I don't know where you're getting at that he has no loyalty to the Atreides.
>>220502140Jesus why was Jessica such a cunt
>>220502329Paul gave her blue balls.
with paul, I refuse to believe that a vastly superhuman demigod with a 1000 iq couldn't manage a better outcome for himself, his family and humanity than what transpired. for example, surely he had foreseen alia's fall. That seem like a very easy thing to prevent and improve upon. and why did he allow the rogue fremen to poison him and give him braindamage?
>>220502140There is literally nothing Jessica could have done for Alia except execute her before a past relative took over her body.
>>220502387Nonsense. she lost to the baron because she was all alone in the palace with no support. She gave in due to despair.
>>220502420She feared the Other Memory and tried to keep it suppressed for as long as possible. That was a personal problem that no amount of outside support could have helped, and it's not like she was completely alone - she still had Paul and Duncan and Irulan and the worship of the entire planet You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
>know that your daughter is very vulnerable to losing her mind, due to what you've done to her, and needs your support and guidance>you need to check in on her and monitor her state of mind>move to another part of the galaxy>never call; never visitThis is not something a good mother does.
>>220502508She only lost after losing Paul and her mother abandoning her. She was very close to those two, you know. Before that, there was no sign of her not holding things together. The idea that losing her only real family had no effect on her mental state is desperate JIDF cope.
>>220494286Yeah it was and ask yourself why you have to post a photoshopped picture of an A list actor in order to make them not look like total shit
>>220502658She was weak like all women
it's been a while. how did chani die?
>>220502853Do you want to know why? I'll tell you why in three simple words.
>>220502658the mother really should have returned to dune to care for her daughter after paul's apparent passing.
>>220502869
>>220502658Unless she took the Other Memory head on and learned to live in symbiosis with the multitude of lives within her, abomination was inevitable. Jessica would have been so fearful of abomination that she would have told her to ignore the Other Memory as much as possible, which would have just inevitably led to Abomination anyways. Leto II and Ghanima are able to avoid abomination because they aren't afraid of themselves like Alia was.
>>220494286People get distracted because of how ugly and gross she looks, but her portrayal wasn't all that bad, UNTIL the third act of DUNC2. Specifically, the scene where Paul drinks the worm juice, so she comes to see if he is still alive and then blam, she slaps him. After that Channi becomes thundercunt feminist belligerent until the rest of the movie.Now before that she was annoying sure, but she was agreeable and helpful towards Paul for the most part, "supportive" was the right way to describe her character, perfect for the role.Its like a rogue writer came in the room and re-wrote the last half of that movie turning her into full cunt.
>>220494286Yes. Zendaya is an awful actress.
>>220503097I don't think that what you're saying about other memory and that falling is inevitable without embracing the other personas is ever stated in the novels. It's just conjecture. I have a hard time believing that there'd be no hope for someone like alia with the help of a bene gesserit mother looking out for her. in any case, even if that's the case, there was no way for jessica to know this, and she's still a cunt.
>>220494333Damn, a bunch of sexy, ratchet skeezies in Oakland and hollyjew chooses an ugly tranny mutt to force on the nation.
>>220503357I'm am reading Children of Dune aloud to my gf right now, it is said verbatim that Alia fell because she feared the other memory and tried to shut it away rather than learning to live in symbiosis. If I wasn't at work right now I'd find you the specific passage. And Jessica couldn't help her because NO ONE understands being preborn besides the preborn. This is again stated in the book
>>220503097Leto II formed a type of alliance or amalgamation of personalities with some of the other people in his head, right?
>>220503416Leto treats the Other Memory as a council of personalities within himself, with an ancient King named Harum as the chief. This council works in tandem to represent the individual known as Leto II
>>220499802>Liet KynesHe became a black woman
>>220499764In the movies she tries to undermine and put him down at every opportunity. She ends the movie seething in disgust at him. In the books, she understands irulan is a political marriage only and I'm pretty sure Paul even announces publicly at his wedding that he will never touch Irulan and only loves chani
>>220499693Turn on your monitor.
>>220494286Chani? More like Chanigger.
>>220503679That sounds awfully inefficient. he has a board meeting inside his head before he does anything?
>>220506309lol based
>>220494286Her voice is weird. She sounds like a foreigner putting on a generic American accent.
