Aaron Sorkin and Joss Whedon unironically destroyed American screenwriting.No one in modern US TV talks like a human being anymore. Every character talks like a writer desperately trying to prove he's the smartest guy in the room.> rapid-fire banter> quips> epic one-liners> smug comebacks> "well THAT just happened" tier irony> dialogue written for clips and applause instead of realismI'd even argue this style escaped fiction and infected actual american speech patterns. 2 generations of people raised on Sorkin/Whedon/Marvel/Shonda Rhimes/Tarantino imitators now genuinely think this is what "natural" conversation sounds like.You can see it everywhere now.Euphoria being the EPITOMY of this, where real worlds problems are represented in the most aesthetically pleasing, reel-ready, performative way possible; but even in supposedly grounded shows like The Pitt, where it is especially funny because the entire aesthetic screams "chaotic brutal realistic ER simulation", meanwhile every exhausted doctor who's been awake for 30 hours still talks like he's auditioning for The West Wing.Ironically David Lynch characters feel more human than most "realistic" modern dramas because Lynch actually understands awkward silence, uncertainty, emotional drift, weirdness, and the fact humans don't constantly perform intelligence at each other.American fiction manufactures behaviour instead of representing it.Sopranos was one of the last major shows where people actually sounded like flawed, insecure, petty human beings instead of media-trained performers.This is a fucking travesty. How do we fix this cancer? Is it, once again, social media's fault? Or is it just that the USA is an inherently, irremediably corrupted society and as such it can only produce corrupted artefacts?
Good luck on your bottom surgery OP. I'm guessing this is a transition story anyway. Nigga wrote so much text I couldn't finish.
I wish I met anyone as witty or intellectual as on tv. Gilmore girls as well falls into this. You might hate it but I aspire to be even a fraction of that level of wit. You must like dullards who ramble on about their meandering, menial task. You suck!
>>220501413>Nigga wrote so much text I couldn't finish.>tranny tranny tranny trannyThe point exactly.American corn-fed hands typed this lobotomized take.
yeah naturalistic dialogue is definitely an extinct breed in American fiction these days
>>220501377the end point of realistic dialogue is shit like titanic or avatar where characters are just saying the dumbest shit imaginable while laughing or crying
>>220501377>How do we fix this cancer?Support writers who are too based for Hollywood.
>>220501617>titanic or avatarnigga whatA list of people who actually portray natural dialogue and characters:Mike LeighKen LoachWang BingAsghar FarhadiKelly ReichardtAndrea ArnoldRichard Linklater
>>220501377Don’t forget therapyspeak where characters drop phrases like “Toxic environment”, “Trauma dumping”, “respecting boundaries” and “demanding accountability”. Every episode of modern TV will have two characters having a conversation where they check off at least one of the phrases I named above. It’s so organic. Nobody talks like this outside coastal cities and corporate boardrooms. Even animated movies will have two cartoon animals talking about their generational trauma. We need more white men in writers rooms.
>>220501734>We need more white men in writers rooms.Two of the most prolific performative bullshit faggots, Joss Whedon and Aaron Sorkin, are white men
>>220501734You mean dummies who want you to spend a lifetime in menial labor and shut your mouth? Nah, eat my cock.
>>220501796Sorkin is a jew.Whedon is white but was born into a family full of leftist activist theater fags.
>>220501668>he wants kitchen sink dramas and farthouse directors to take on blockbuster movieslmao
> rapid-fire banter> quips> epic one-liners> smug comebacks> "well THAT just happened" tier irony> dialogue written for clips and applause instead of realismLucas, Spielberg and Cameron already did all of that.In fact, Avatar 2, has less quips and one liners than Aliens or Terminator 2
>>220501810The point of action flicks is to portray epic adrenalinic super men performing epic adrenalinic shit, so it fits that they would speak in epic one-liners and quirky smug smart Bond quips, no one can dispute that.But Euphoria? And dramas tha purportedly portray real people in real situations? What have Tom Cruise badassery and Tony Stark quick wit got to do with those?>>220501973To each genre its own tropes and mannerisms, at least in theory, but in reality it looks like the majority of american big name productions have been infected by this cancer. It's become transversal to the genres. Or rather, the audience has been led to appreciate that and almost only that. Not very organic if you ask me.
>>220501933Contemporary american screenwriting has normalized a trans-genre performative dialogue style that absolutely flattens any distinction between realism and stylized genres through a feedback loop between writers’ rooms and audience expectations. I don't know why you're grouping together blockbusters and farthouse directors.The Pitt shouldn't have blockbuster dialogue, and yet it has blockbuster dialogue; why is that? Can you answer without sharting and soiling yourself?
>>220501377Films and television shouldn't have characters that talk normal? Who the fuck wants to here that? Sure a historical drama once and a while. I don't want to hear Nathan Fillian talk like a PUNK BITCH captioning the Firefly. OP is a faggot, shut your stupid mouth.
>>220501377Boomers destroyed the financial worldGen X destroyed the cultural worldMillennials and zoomers (when they get older) will have to rebuild
>>220502436Tr.pfags need not apply, my dude. You should really go back to ler eddit where you kind belongs.
>>220501377>Aaron SorkinIs he the one who made popular the type of dialogue where characters respond instantly, like they already know what to say, like they read a script within the movie.yes, its very annoyning specially when you notice it everywhere
>>220501377Its not their fault lesser people copied them in their wake.
>>220501377Have you ever seen a screwball comedy? Rapid fire witty dialogue used to be the norm
>>220502700>>220502746I don't know any people that are quick without being wrong and screwing everything up in haste.
>>220501377>>220501413This is an actual bot thread. In order to hold this opinion OP would have to understand writing at least on a surface level, he obviously doesn't. No one is shameless enough to take someone else's opinion ("whedon is bad") and write a whole wall of text without understanding why he's bad. Bot.
>”natural dialogue”>uhh.. yeah like what’s it called.. the thing whatever. Umm.
>>220501377whatever you do, op, don’t go back and watch a couple flirting in a 1940s film. the quickness of their wit will an hero you.
>>220504206That Zooey Deschanel snl sketch in the 40s is a perfect example of that.
