Will you be watching the latest Christopher Nolan's unpacking of this classic piece of literature foundational to western civilization itself? How brave and powerful he is exposing its toxic masculinity for the first time in 3000 years! Finally, an authentic portrayal through a clear and unbiased modern lens. White Europeans have done nothing but steal from others, they stole all their technology for the great divergence from african philosophers, indian cotton industrialists and the muslim golden age and this is why their IQ is 100 while these other groups are 75-85. It's their white privilege! But we are finally seeing all this come toppling down and these other groups will be high IQ and low crime soon, once the invisible racial microaggressions end. It's not like national IQ will drop we will experience a competency crisis and an AI-fuelled turboChina will simply up and take over and we will witness this all in our lifetimes! xDI have already paid for my wife, her yoga instructor Jevontai, my wife's son's tickets plus 2 back row tickets for myself ( I take up 2), amounting to $98.46 plus another $100 for their pop corn and merchandise plus $50 for gas since Jevontai gave me directions, sitting in the back with my wife so my son can call shotgun! I will be sneaking in some store-brand popcorn under my belly! but my faithful loving family, they get the best xDI feel this is going to be big, like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars and I'm glad my son will get to experience it. What a joyous and memorable occasion for us all! Thank you Christopher Nolan for spending $250 million and investing years of your life to make this masterpiece and I can witness the deconstruction and decolonization of 3000 years of white european western civilization and my demographic, white men (ew!)
>>220506005story is really about cuckoldry. he does not give a flying fuck about his wife, so he does a detour. then there's a whole sub story about his wife donning a chastity belt and shooing away all the suitors like a propper vestal vergin, and his son being one little poke away from being cuckolded in his place. finale with the axes and arrows is certainly a later alexandrian invention. we may never know what Homer really wrote, but it must have involved some old greek deviancy, too shocking for the conservative ptolemaic dynasty
Why is Ameticn culture so fixated on black penises?
>>220506005Lotr and star wars is slop. I bet you never read the Greek epics as the stories are almost always about hubris and their heroes are severely punished for it.
Every single modern "interpretation" of old literature is the same. It's just the same shallow points and "clever" observations every time.It's fucking pathetic.
>>220506834>western civilization starts with cuckoldry>western civilization ends with cuckoldrypottery
>>220507032It is astonishing that the ancient Greeks depicted blacks like they used to in the old south, which is now considered "racist". Why can't black people accept this is actually an accurate depiction?
>>220507032Iliad is also about cuckoldry. Ancient people loved their cuck stories, not only Europeans. Epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest narrative story, starts with peasants getting cucked by the titular character.
>>220507032where's the cuckoldry? these are both women. there is a male version too
>>220507076They aren't even the same blacks. Greeks depicted Nubians - East African Nilotes.
>>220507032>>220507151now that i checked this is the male version
>>220507151All over the place. Greek civilization was born when Zeus raped Europe and made the Minoan king Asterios raise his sons, and the city of Rome was born when Romulus and his followers decided to collectively cuck the Sabines.
>>220506005>Christopher NolanI've never liked any of his movies. Not a single one.
>>220507370yeah but in both of those cases whether you choose to consider it cuckoldry is entirely dependent on which side of the sex your civilisation chooses to identify with. In the case of zeus and europa I'd assume the greeks identified with zeus...
>>220507370romans retconned themselves to be troyans. it was really an ingenious way to get casus belli against greek.
Wow, he really embraced the lib. If he wasn't already like this, 9 times out of 10, a woman is involved behind the scenes.
>>220506005refute anything she said
>>220507032ummm chudbros how did the Ancient Greeks know what black people look like??? I have been assured many times by my fellow polcels that nobody had ever crossed the Sahara before the invention of the plane, and that whenever ancient Greeks spoke of black people, they just meant people with a tan
>>220507803Etruscans and Trojans may actually be related, both branches of the urnfield culture that moved into central Europe then south into both the Balkans and Italy about 50-100 years before the fall of Troy.Troy presided over the straits of the Bosphorus and thus was a major trade hub, linking Mycenaean Greece to the Danube and tin from Europe. Patroclus, Achilles' beloved friend, was cremated, a practice introduced by the Urnfield culture (hence the urns for the ashes). The northern barbarians attacked Mycenaea, but the Mycenaeans resisted, the archaeological record confirms there were massive fortification projects in this era. They also crossed the strait and invaded Anatolia with a certain warlord Piyama-Radu emerging, challenging the Hittite Empire that once had hegemony over Anatolia.The Hittites themselves went to war with Egypt over the Levant and challenged them in a chariot battle at Khadesh around 100 years earlier. Perhaps due to climate change and lower grain yields these great civilizations were now in crisis and decline, it perhaps also stimulated the barbarian migrations. Thus the Greeks could get a better trade deal with the new ruler Piyama-Radu and this may have been the source of contention.It is quite possible the events of the Iliad roughly correlate to the reality of royal marriages to secure alliances with Piyama-Radu being offered a "Helen of Troy" to marry his prince only to break his side of the bargain out of greed or perhaps wrongly blamed for the breakdown in trade. We can only speculate of course because the oral history that makes up the Iliad was no doubt distorted in the 200 years prior to Homer inscribing it in Phoenician inspired script.Gosh, it was such a fascinating time. I am so glad Christopher Nolan is giving it the attention to detail it deserves.
>>220508278>Perhaps due to climate changelmao did their chariots emit too much CO2??
>>220507984Have you ever heard of this little thing called the Nile?
>>220508499Yes, its an unwillingness to believe that something uncomfortable is true, like the fact that there were black people in ancient Greece.
>>220508278Lol I hate what floyd did to the west
>>220508562No there weren't. You black fetishists are tiring
I thought the Iliad and Odyssey were the Greeks version of the bible
>>220508711You thought wrong
>>220508562Saaaaar there was indians too, we are black as well!!
>>220508656The Minoan ‘Captain of the Blacks’ fresco wall art from the House of Frescoes, Knossos Palace, 1350-1300 BCE
>>220508783>Saaaaar there was indians tooYes:>Memnon, the son of Tithonus and Aurora, arrived with a large army of Indians and Aethiopians, a truly remarkable army which consisted of thousands and thousands of men with various kinds of arms, and surpassed the hopes and prayers even of Priam. (Dictys of Crete's Chronicle of the Trojan War)
>>220506855It is just a penis obsessed nation to begin with. Just look at the Washington monument in D.C.
>>220506005>White Europeans have done nothing but steal from othersYes, for example the heritage of the ancient Greeks.
>>220506005Get your nigger-lovings hands away from my country's surviving works of art, nolan. you nigger worshipping hack, nobody cares how amerisharts wants to spin someone elses work. You will never be Homer, you don't deserve to critique Homer. You will always be a jewtoy, a nigger licking fucking hack director who makes movies for midwits.
>>220506005and take your disgusting, fucking cocksucking fugly niggers with you, with their enlarged underbite, their bulging nigger eyes and their protruding subhuamn forehead. Helen was White. Cleopatra was White. Keep your niggers in your shithole Niggerland USA or ship their asses back to shithole africa
>>220508947>>220509015triggered hard lmao
>>220509015>Helen was Whitesource?
>>220509062>source?The source is Homer, you dumb, ugly niggerkike moron
>>220509100where does Homer say that though??
>>220509119The lil chuddie never read a single line of Homer, that is why he isn't able to answer this
>>220509119Illiad, Rhapsody C, verse 121 mentions her white arms: "Μηνύτρα στην λευκόχερην Ελένην ήλθ' η Ίρις"Now you can move your nigger goalpost and say she was black with white arms, lol.
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>>220509215As always the nigger's hands are faster than his pea-sized brain. Sorry nigger, you cant say 'we wuz helenz n shiieet'
>>220509278>woman pale from being indoorsso definitely not a nigger then
>>220509340Its a metaphor for being noble, chuddie. Do you think royals also literally have blue blood?
>Ancient greeks make sculptures out of marble (a white material)>They paint them>Paint washes off over the centuries>Angloids and other nordic barbarians find them centuries later>"WE WUZ GREEKS!!!!"
>>220509278Helen was pale armed because when a White doesn't work, it's obvious from the skin tone. Same as when a White spends time outside, they turn tan. It's only incomplete subhumans like you, a nigger, who remain the same. Hence Homer could not have applied that moniker to Helen if she was a nigger.Sorry, nigger, you just wuznt greeks n sheeeit. Just accept it.
>>220509402a metaphor that could only develop and function among people whose skin was pale as long as they stayed indoors, ie not niggers.
>>220506005The critical theme of the poem is that chasing good pussy is dumb and that Odysseus is the only Chad in all of GreeceKk the real theme is that the Gods will fuck up peace for vain and pointless reasons and the role of mankind is to bear the burden and survive
The U.S. is a nationwide temple of worship to niggerdom.
>>220509477No, it's about toxic masculinity
>>220509472You're trying to explain nuances, however obvious, to a lesser race who cannot even perceive the frequency of a smoke detector. They are a different species and they probably have different color receptors. To them, a tanned White is probably like a nigger.
>>220509418Greeks aure love their statues with pale skin & blonde/red hair
>>220506005>wants women "truly in control">hates men, them in power leads to rapeIf women were "truly in power" they would destroy the world even further than they already have by being able to vote, obviously. Let in every poor person into wealthy counties as much as possible, redistribute wealth, wasting it on poor, stupid people, countries getting in even more debt, crime out of control. These people are lunatics and don't care if they ruin millions of normal people's lives. Better pay attention to this shit.
>>220508562>there were black people in ancient Greece.You are a retard. No one should even reply to this retarded shit. You live in an alternate reality that is not real.
>>220506005what's up with conservatives and interracial cuckoldry projections? rightoids truly mindbrokendon't like it don't watch it, fuck off whining faggotregular people will enjoy this movie and play gta6 at launch while you will be here on release day seething about it like a loser
>>220507957I can refute the concept that women would be any less barbaric with similar social power as men had in the Delian League city states and Troy at that time. The entire concept of the Trojan War stems on the unfaithfulness of a woman snowballing into thousands of dead and the rapes the author talks about.The concept of pillaging is a significant concept in The Iliad but its mostly a vehicle to show Achilles' honour being tainted by Agamemnon and his descent into madness from seeing his best friend (fuckbuddy cousin) get murdered due to his refusal to fight after said abuse. Obviously women weren't worth anything then outside of their pussies and social placement, but putting it with the label of toxic masculinity is lazy shit when it was the social norm for that period and every time period up until the past 120 years.tl;dr women be coping
>>220506005The Greeks didn't found western civilization. It was the Romans and even then, it was their FALL that started the bl rolling. Modern day Western civilization was started by Germanic barbarians who rebelled against Rome and destroyed it. They then spread to much of western Europe and even reached North Africa, founding various western European nations. Some of them invaded the British Isles and created the Anglos we see today. >So why the Romanboo/Gayreek fellatio?It was revisionist Victorian era Anglo scholars ashamed of their barbarian history and appropriating Greek and Roman history to legitimize their claim to rule the world.
>>220507032Arabian nights, the foundation of Islamic literature is literally filled with BBC>The story begins with Zaman, the brother of Shahryar, setting out on a journey to visit his brother at his palace. >Early in the preparations, he remembers that he's left something inside his own palace, and returns to retrieve it-only to find that his wife has been making love to a black cook in their own bed. He kills them both, and continues on his journey, keeping the event a secret. >Then Shahryar finds that his own wife, as well as his numerous slave girls, have been engaging in secret orgies with black men. here's your foundational text of arabic fiction, muslimbros.
>>220510181>ill spend my money to make rich people richer chud>#communism
>>220509278What is this supposed to mean?
>>220506005>not traveling to a theater with an IMAX 70mm screeningIt's almost like you WANT your wife's son to break your Nintendo Switch 2 and call you a faggot
>>220506005Nolan was always a woke retard
>>220506834>he does not give a flying fuck about his wife, so he does a detour.no, he pisses off poseidon who fucks him up
>>220506005So will it show jews pulling the strings having men fight and then the women raped by black and brown immigrants?
>helen is a niggerno
>>220506834He loves his wife.
>>220507159what shit cope
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I hate Nigger Lovers so much its unreal
>>220506005Ok, give free status and women then>n-n-no incel chud-sama
>>220506005Is this all because of the awards?
>>220512596Absolutely nothing, plus the shitskin nigger who posted this left, defeated, until the next Odyssey thread where he will spread his nigger lies there as well.
as an actual /lit/fag I love it when chuds out themselves as illiterate theres literally nothing wrong with the take in the OPs image and the ancient greeks themselves even wrote axilliary stories about it lite Euripides chuds are so fucking stupid and vapid, they mindlessly attach themselves to anything they perceive as "trad" and cultured without actually reading or learning anything
>>220513339What? Nothing is ever free, peon.
>>220513281the right can't meme
>>220509477>Kk the real theme is that the Gods will fuck up peace for vain and pointless reasons and the role of mankind is to bear the burden and surviveThis
>>220506005imagine nolan in 5 years being on trial for being a gene-traitorz then having his innards ripped out and all his bones crushed for all the world to see after Odin comes back from being in stasis the moon.
>>220513637The juicy awards.
>>220507984The same way they knew there were Cyclops on some islands, faggot.
>>220506005honestly i just can't stand any of the actors or how gray and boring it looks
>>220509278The left can't meme
>>220510181You firstIf you didn't like the Odyssey as it was you should have stayed away from it.
>>220514682Go to bed, Wilson
>>220515554This too, obviously.It's a shit product all around
>>220506005I don't feel that strongly about it one way or the other so I'll just see how I feel about it at the time. I wasn't impressed by Oppenheimer so that's a bit offputting.
>>220515554Pattinson is going to carry the movie himself.
>>220507112modern people too
You guys are so fucking pathetic and boring. All you can do is argue over fucking skin color lol.Lupita Nyongo for sure isn't the most beautiful woman to ever exist but Nolan is a hack anyway. The footage shown looks kinda dull but that's Nolan for you, kids.
>>220515760Even he can't save the actual writing
>>220506005>What if gurlz ran dally WorldI thought troonery killed this 2015 feminist shit
>>220508798Hey, guy who actually studied history here.You know the actual textured parts you see in the Minoan frescos? That's what was found. Only the textured parts.Everything else is modern interpretation.In fact, when studying Minoan frescos, we are taught not to take it seriously unless the majority of a particular fresco was found.And even then we are also taught that the meaning behind it is unknown because we have no idea how to decipher the "Linear A".It's actually funny seeing people who only know "pop history" these days. Anyways.
>>220515594that's a retarded point, I enjoyed the original as it was and I know that I will enjoy this iteration as wellyou see chud the difference between you and me is that I don't have a melty when I see a black woman on screen and immediately jump to conclusions and make up retarded conspiracy theories about woke and white replacement and shityou are a pathetic snowflake getting mad at fiction being fiction, as I said don't like it the shut the hell up
>>220513208lol, no. he's a king, he returns for his kingdom. his wife is true hero of the story, though. thousand cocks to choose, but she remains chaste
>>220516119> I enjoyed the original as it was and I know that I will enjoy this iteration as wellThat's really a beta cuck mentality. I really hope that you stop being a marketeers dream customer. Nobody should make up his opinion before seeing a thing.
>>220516888>you are not allowed to have positive expectations o algo
>>220516119>I enjoyed the good version so I'll enjoy the ugly bad wrong political version tooYou aren't enjoying anything, faggot. Yours is just blind brand loyalty
>>220515760He's miscast too, like everyone else
>>220506005>might sound glibNo, that is a glib statement.
>>220515876Look at this absolute retard an laughThis has been caused by YOU arguing about skin color to the point that everyone is fed up and is telling you to fuck off already, blackwasher
>what would happen if the sex that has period every month would be in charge?????????
>>220516840Good retarded boy, keep making it a pissing contest for no reason
>>220506005>It's a critical theme in the poemSay's who? I never get the impression the men in the Illiad are fighting solely for reputation or glory besides Achilles, and even then, ironically, Achilles, as one among a few of the Greeks, see's the entire war as pointless and unjust.
>>220516119>you are a pathetic snowflake getting mad at fiction being fictionAll of this shit has been caused by YOU and your ilk being mad at fiction, history, culture and white people, because of course you are little privileged racistCan't blame normal people for seeing you #4453453313 bad and political product and saying: "no, retard, fuck off"
>>220516923All we have seen and known so far warrant the opposite of a positive expectation, consumer
>>220506834You don't know what a vestal virgin is you jewnigger
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>>220506005>What would happen if women were truly in charge?the fact that there are zero successful societies in the history of the world where women were in charge might indicate that such a society wouldn't be able to survive. There's a reason men became leaders and there's a reason why society has started collapsing once we let women be the majority of voters.
>>220517886I'm sure women would instantly become better voters if they had quotes in every single kind of job.
>>220508656There were black armies giving aid to Troy in the Illiad. The Eatheopians are mentioned in the Illiad a few times as well. I do not however recall any mention of black soilder's in the Greek army but it's been a few years sonce I read the Illiad, probably due for a re-read desu.
>cyclops>magic>sea monsters>eh that's fine >black guy>woah woah let's be realistic
>>220517725>>220517823>>220517801>I'm a jaded pathetic loser and everyone must be like me and think like meget a life and shut the hell up
>>220517987Let's get this thing straight.In Homer's times ethiopia was "stuff at the south of the Aegean sea", and basically just a little bit more than the coast. Whatever is called Ethiopia now has nothing to do with (much like New Jersey =/= Jersey island)Memnon and his army were not black (we even have vases), BUT if you really have to blackwash a character is that one. And only that one. Either way they are nither in the Iliad nor in the Odyssey.
>>220518019>>things that explicitly belong to the settingVS>>things that explicitly DON'T belong to the setting
>>220518105This faggot is mad because standards and facts are interfering with his pathological need to consume bad products without questioning, kek
>>220518280>blacks only started existing after martin luther kingamerican education
>>220518420The definitely didn't exist out of africa
>Helen jumps onto another King's dick because a magic apple forced her to>Aphrodite is all "oops did I do that?">Eris is like "heh it was actually meYes it's the fault of MEN! Punish the men, toss them adrift at sea for 14 years!
>>220508898Elite Greeks were pure Yamnaya stock. We enslaved your brown castrati asses.
>>220518496There are black folk in Homer.But there aren't ANY whitecels/nordcucks in it.
>>220508898Is this image meant to convey that the composer actually believes Nordic cavemen razed Achaea some time around 4th century BC and retained dominance over the region from that point onwards?
>>220518606>leftist meme with random factioids purposefully devoid of context>muh ethiopia>muh memnon>muh caucasians are not caucasians>muh authors from centuries laterThere are no blacks in homer, shithead. Deal with itAgain with this Ethiopia meme?Do you think New Jersey is the Jersey island?See>>220515572
>>220517886>zero successful societiesHey, that's totally untrue. There's like 5 of them and they all live in huts.
>>220518606There are actually no coontroons in the Illiad, but plenty of golden-maned Aryans.
>>220518606>Ideological afro-cope #1646846554442Always a great classic
>>220518299millions across the globe (including me) will go to watch it at the cinema with friends and family to share a moment because they are looking forward to itpathetic terminally online losers will be here seething about it all dayit's only "bad" because your poltard brain can't stand seeing a black woman on screen in a fiction movie without chimping out, keep fighting with windmills
>>220519948Millions won't be enough, brosky. With millions it will fail hard, loose money, cement its ideology as false, destroy studio system, and make you very unhappy.
>>220520028you lost
>>220509477>>220509499He's talking the Iliad and.. he's twisting it.Yes, you could look at it from the angle but The Iliad is largely about "why the fuck do we as soldiers constantly go out and fight wars whenever these rich guys get into slap fights over petty shit?"Achilles throughout the tale is constantly questioning this concept of promised glory while the story itself brings attention to just how dehumanized the soldiers are as the story goes on. Figures like Paris being displayed as unrepentant assholes regarding all the shit they caused and the Gods treating it more like a petty spat.The Iliad is considered one of the earliest known satire pieces in that it takes the piss on the whole concept of "glory" within the feudal system. The most just and kind rulers being on the enemy Trojan team defending their homeland while our heroes are consistently shown to be fighting for complete assholes, the story itself littered with borderline meaningless death
