>guy walks around his own city>gets attacked by muggers and rapists everywhere he goes>defends himself>police go after HIMWas there really any legal ground to prosecute him?>but he went where he knew criminals would attack him so that he'd get to kill them!Victim-blaming bullshit. He has the right to walk where he pleases in safety, and what others do in his presence is not his responsibility.
>>220507861Wish fulfillment bullshit
>>220507861yt people shouldn't be allowed to live in cities
>>220507861>Was there really any legal ground to prosecute him?Didn't he have an illegal gun?
Down on the mean streets, muggers, rapists and madmen await you on every corner and byway. The police are no use, they're all on the take. Jewish lawyers fight for criminal's rights. The system is a sham. Only YOU can bring justice.This summer: Death Wish. The movie that fights for the people and puts lead in your gun. Lock and load. We've a whole lot of cleaning up to do.
>>220508006Well that's not a violent crime, and besides using an illegal gun doesn't invalidate a claim of self-defense.
>why haven't you found my dog, he's vital to my income, he paints such marvelous pictures with his paws!
>>220508143lol, you can beat a man to death with a megaphone and get no years in prison (1 in jail). and 3d print a few guns and get a decade in prison. violent crimes only matter to people if they use a gun.
>>220507861>rise in violent crime>rise in gas prices>masses wish for escapism by watching some movie about some guy who goes around and blasts '''muggers'''It was kino, it couldn't be replicated today but I feel the popular sentiment that led to the film's creation is reaching similar levels now. The sequels were far more campy, too, but fun.The reason the police were after him was because he was doing their job, if word got out that some guy was taking matters into their own hands you would've seen hundreds of Paul Kersey copycats in his city.
>>220507861Police aren’t trying to arrest the criminals that deserve being arrested, they’re trying to keep the peace. Anytime there’s visible violence in public the higher ups that want reelection demand that it stops, they don’t care if it’s stopped fairly.
>>220508143He went out looking to kill people in self defence. Basically boomer Kyle Rittenhouse
>>220507999that's called white flight
Didn't the remake with Bruce Willis have some artificial controversy behind it?
>>220508524Again that doesn't invalidate a claim of self-defense. Rittenhouse was acquitted.
>>220508524Is there a law against that? He only reacted to someone else doing a crime. He didn't even goad anyone, he just existed in a place where people were likely to attack him, and they did of their own accord.
>>220507861It was inspired by real eventshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting>Gud bois who dindu nuffin apart from a few armed robberies and rapes get ventilated by a dude carrying a gun during a failed mugging>DA throws book at him but he gets off on every charge except concealed carrying>niggers are pissed>One mugger successfully sues him for about 30mil>Niggers still call racism to this day
>>220508503the purpose of police is to protect criminals
>>220508605>1984this was 70's film based on a book
>>220508524Bernie Goetz basically did the same thing and still had to go to trialThe Jury said he was innocent of murder but he got a few months for owning an illegal gun.Everyone in NYC (in the 80s) wanted to go around shooting minorities on the subway (even other blacks)so there was no chance of him getting convicted.Paul Kersey would never get found guilty back thennowadays? they'd throw the book at him.
>>220508006No such thing.
>>220508629Shit your right, point still stands though
>>220508662>It was based on this>No it wasn't>The point still stands
>>220508679Read the OP faggot, in this case reality mirroring fiction
>>220508494This man gets it.Even today, the police exist to protect criminals from the people. If the cops were gone and people handled their own justice - which was always the case until the second half of the 20th century - the criminals would all be executed in short order and society might not be such shit. Just check out Honduras.>inb4 people start shidding and farding to protect the hecking wholesome murderers and rapists
>>220508806>Just check out Honduras.What about it?
>>220507861>>220508494There is still a long way to go until racial equality among muggers is achieved.
>>220507861I watched this recently. Charles Bronson is super based and the movie rocks.
>>220509775Based Anon. Now watch the rest of the series
>>220507943>literally based on the story of Bernhard Goetz
>>220509793I swear I could watch that movie every day. Something very perfect about it.
>>220507999>looks around brieflyApparently they're not.
>>220507861>Was there really any legal ground to prosecute him?Yeah, he was shooting fleeing suspects and firing without giving any warning. You can shoot someone who's trying to harm you; but if they cease to be a threat and you still shoot them you're on sketchy legal ground particularly if you're not on your own property. If you have to shoot someone make sure you don't shoot them in the back, giving them a warning or at least claiming you did will also help you in court.
>>220509793
>Actor plays a racist a little too good......
>>220509915>Alright Charles you're character is a racist, he really hates blacks. You think you can handle that?>No problemo chief.
This is why Death Wish 3 is the best one.
>>220510127For me, it's Death Wish 5
I wish pic related had a better final act. I liked it more than Death Wish but the final act completely shits the bed
>>220508494>The sequels were more campyUh... maybe 3 and onward, definitely not 2.
>>220508524>People actually believe leftists bullshit about KyleShoot three violent antifa fags and hit two pedos and a woman basher.
>>220508930I assume he means El Salvador, where they decided to actually just stop crime and it worked.
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>>220507999Don't worry they're all fleeing.Pretty soon your cities will crumble because you brown people are too stupid to maintain or look after anything you're given, and you'll go banging on the gates of the places where the white people fled to screaming "help us, white people"
>>220508524Wow, You guys are still butthurt that he rightfully got off on self defense eh
Reminder to watch this Michael Winner western, a poster of which is featured in the gun club scene as an easter egg
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>>220510288I wouldn't say it completely shits the bed. I don't think they were going with "you're just like us. Were not so different you and I" it's more "look at what we've done to each other". Bacon's "are you ready?" I guess is what separates the two of them, the thug would never have given him the courteousy if he had the upper hand.
>>220510423>theyWho are they, though? Death Wish is about a private citizen stopping criminals.
I've only seen the first death wish. Are the others worth watching?
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>>220512074The first is a genuinely good movie with some deep themes and nuance to it.The sequels are not good movies, but they are entertaining. The series basically devolves fully into exploitation, so if you just want to see Charles Bronson run around shooting punks and dopeheads, you'll enjoy them. Also his daughter is recast in the second movie with this cute actress
>>220508553Hopefully back to Europe! They still have relatives over there.
>>220512162Poor girl, Paul is not meant to be happy ;_;
>>220512575He'll be alright. He just needs time and an axe.
>>220512074Death wish 3 is hilarious. Just over the top but extremely entertaining, everything you want from an 80s action film.
Death wish 2 has one of my favorite scenes
>>220513296Which one? The rape?
>>220507861He was going out looking for trouble and killing people every night and after a shooting never stuck around for the cops. That establishes a pattern where it clearly wasn’t just self-defence
>>220513340>looking for troubleHe simply existed where trouble might happen. He did nothing to instigate it. Other peoples' actions aren't his responsibility.
>>220513362Liar liar pants on fire. He was deliberately going around looking for people to shoot. First to “catch the people who attacked his family” so that’s just him seeking to do revenge killing, later he was just getting off on murdering people and kept doing it anywhere he could. That’s why you see him collecting news articles about his killings and being super giddy about it.
>>220507861But it's all about proportional response; if somebody tries to mug you in the street, you can't just shoot them in the head and expect to get away with it. Even if somebody broke into your house in the middle of the night you would have a hard time proving you had no choice but to kill them in self-defence.
>>220507999Inner-city filth can't take care of themselves. Let's see how they do with no Walgreens, CVS, Target, Walmart, Safeway... We should just wall off every big city and gas them once the last decent person gets out.
>>220513301Yeah its great
>>220508494The first two movies were excellent, but the third movie felt too different despite having the same director as the other two.
>>220513386>He was deliberately going around looking for people to shoot.Sure, but that didn't require him to do anything. The fact that he wanted to shoot people doesn't change the fact that the people he shot were the ones who forced the situation. If his city were safe, he wouldn't have shot anyone. The circumstances of him shooting people were the result of his right to go where he pleases. It's not his responsibility as a citizen to ensure that others aren't tempted to harm him.
>>220513423>*opens door*>Meeser Kersey no here-- AHHHHHHHHHHHHH>*10 minute long graphic gang rape scene*
>>220513399depends on the state desu
>>220509037Isn't it weird how you don't see movie scenes like this anymore with dozens of extras standing around? Movies feel way more claustrophobic these days.
>>220510127>This is why Death Wish 3 is the best one.DW3 is a huge downgrade compared to the first two movies, put me off even watching DW4/5.
>>220507861This film, much like First Blood, does not really lend itself to being a franchise.
>>220507861American cities in the 70s were literally like the movie, LBJ's "Great Society" chickens had come home to roost.
>>220507861Free chudthebuilder
>>220507861>>guy walks around his own city>>gets attacked by muggers and rapists everywhere he goes>>defends himselfhow would the police know this if they don't catch and question him? They just show up after someone reported a shooting and find bodies
>>220513561In one scene, he saved another guy from muggers, and the guy told the cops about it but wouldn't give them a physical description. They would also have files on these people, being repeat offenders, likely with active warrants.
>>220512162There was nearly a decade-gap between DW1 and DW2, one is a 70s movie and the other is an 80s movie, that's why they have different vibes.
too much rape in the second movie tbqh
>>220508524Funny you fags always speak about this with the presumption Kyle was in the wrong while glossing over the rioting I mean mostly peaceful protesting nogs and leftists.You leftshits should be hanged by your entrails
>>220513453>The fact that he wanted to shoot people doesn't change the fact that the people he shot were the ones who forced the situation.Except it does because all the killings establish a pattern where he purposefully creates situations where he can then kill people and it goes from a situation where plausible self-defence plea becomes suspect because every new killing he does makes it less likely that he had no other choice but to use lethal force instead of just incapacitating the person(s). Anyone with a brain can see that with just one killing there can be a plausible case for self-defence but when it happens again and again and again for weeks then there is a clear premeditated motive that no longer makes you simply act in self-defence.
>>220507861i liked the movie but the various muggers were kept "diverse" in a way that felt very intentional, i expected the whole movie to be him going after nigs and its absolutely not that
>>220513650> he purposefully creates situations where he can then kill people All he does is go where bad people are, in public places that he has every right to be in. They approach him and try to harm him.I'm saying that whatever desire he has for people to fuck with him so that he can retaliate, it doesn't matter. All he has done is gone where he's allowed to go. The other people are the ones who waited for him or anyone else to go there so they could attack him.That it happens again and again reflects the fact that the city is rife with violent crime, which is not his fault.
>>220513399>Even if somebody broke into your house in the middle of the night you would have a hard time proving you had no choice but to kill them in self-defence.Happens everyday in America, im guessing you are from another country
At the end of the first movie you could charge him with conspiracy or an organized conspiracy since the cop covered for him
Don't worry in Death Wish II the cop from I tells him to "get the motherfuckers"
>>220513767Sounds like some UK shit, where you have to let them rape you too and then give then a proper thanking for it
>>220508524What are you going to do, protest about it?
>>220513709He is seeking out people to kill and intentionally makes the situation escalate to justify him killing them.
>>220513709>That it happens again and again reflects the fact that the city is rife with violent crime, which is not his fault.No, it shows clear intent on his part to kill people and then claim self-defence. Especially when he leaves the fucking scene every time.
>>220513950>intentionally makes the situation escalateBy that you mean he stands his ground and doesn't surrender and submit to his attacker.I'll put it this way: If you go to a public place, armed, and have the mindset of "if somebody pulls a gun on me, I'll blast their shit in half" and then nobody bothers you, that is not attempted murder. If it does happen, then, that is not murder.
>>220513950>intentionally makes the situation escalateBy walking around?
>>220513868When you call the police, they show up and arrest you for not letting the the rapist inside. Then throw in an extra TV license fine for good measure.
>>220507861America has always cared more about the rights of criminals than their victims
>>220513988If every day you end up killing someone and you claim self-defence your claim is as crooked as a three dollar bill.
>>220514031The rights are for everyone. Or are you okay the police violating your rights whenever they feel like it? Are you so fucking stupid you can’t see how that creates corruption and abuse against everyone? How it can railroad and harm innocent people?
>>220514042On the flipside, that means that every day, somebody tries to kill you
>>220513399Correct. If someone breaks into my house on the middle of the night I must wait to see if he is going to rape my daughter first, then I can legally rape him back.
>>220513467>Having actual rape victims help create the scene so it's authenticWild shit.
>>220513650This is some fucking "I identify with the bugs in starship troopers" type shit.
It's crazy to think that at one point in US history, something like stealing a person's horse was a crime punishable by hanging
>>220514100That was also punishable by hanging in the UK, during the days of the Bloody Code. The argument was, "We do not hang men for stealing horses. We hang men so that horses may not be stolen."Horse theft was serious business back in the day.
>>220514288But what if your horses KEEP getting stolen?! Then you're a murderer!
They killed the giggler, manTHEY KILLED THE GIGGLER
>>220513386>his secret feelings are what matter.They don't, tranny. the only thing that matters is what people do
>>220513399Absolutely all false where I live. Have fun in your nog playpen safari zone
>>220507861>original film was about urban crime>majority of criminals were white youths>the terrible sequels were all about kill black thugs Such a disappointment
>>220514042>>220513950This is just someone exercising his portion of the social contract to walk around. What other people do is up to them. Also you're a faggot and it's good when people like armed robbers die anyway
>>220514031US is the only Western nation that still has the death penalty. They also seem to delight in the idea of prison rape.
>>220509828>>220508605Remember that this is what they want you to think. The Jews. 10 years. You[re all pussies
>>220513988I’m not going to get into this other stuff but at one point in the film he gets jumped by several guys and he shoots one of them who was fleeing in the back. It’s in the park, I believe one of his last kills. That guy didn’t have a weapon, his buddies did but he didn’t. He also shoots one of the subway guys in the back who was fleeing, but the park one is more relevant because the guy was technically unarmed from the get go
>>220509828Clairvoyant movie crew
>>220514815There's what's legal and what's good. Legality varies from place to place. A guy who's part of a crew who jumps old guys getting shot is good
>>220508630>Bernie GoetzI understand a family sued Goetz for shooting their son who attempted to rob him. I can't recall if the guy was injured or killed, but I'm sure the family won their case to sue him -- though Goetz never paid up. The Jewish legal system in NY is fuckin' wild.
>>220514549It’s called intent
>>220510127Yeah, 3 is my favourite, too.
Sounds like my kind of movie. Downloading now.I'm so tired of bad things happening to good people. I think if someones entire existence is them just committing crimes until they eventually kill someone and go to prison, they should just be killed at the start when it's obvious they aren't going to stop. Who gives a fuck about them. The chances of them turning their life around is so incredibly low anyway.
>>2205103482 still takes itself seriously, but the actual story of it is more pulpy and outlandish.The first movie has the thugs who raped and killed his family skulk away into the shadows of the city, never to be seen again, and Kersey is a broken man who can only cope by wandering the streets and shooting at whatever criminals approach him.In 2 he manages to perfectly track down every dude involved in the kidnapping of his daughter. No real intel or tracking methods. He just finds them because that's what the script demands.
>>220508143in 70s New York it was absolutely a serious crime to possess a firearm. people forget that prior to reforms in the 90s, much of the US explicitly forbade public carry, basically just Vermont allowed it. constitutional carry used to be called Vermont Carry because of it.
>>220507999checked and agreed, lockdown the exits and let those hives of jewish bullshit burn
>>220515034>I'm so tired of bad things happening to good peopleDeath Wish is a very cathartic movie in that sense>I think if someones entire existence is them just committing crimes until they eventually kill someone and go to prison, they should just be killed at the start when it's obvious they aren't going to stop. Who gives a fuck about them.The director of Death Wish:>>In a 2009 interview with The Daily Telegraph, Winner bemoaned political correctness, and said that if he was Prime Minister, he would be "to the right of Hitler". Following that he said "No immigration! Shoot anyone who commits a crime! Shoot people who park in the wrong place in front of my garage! I would be ferocious. And believe me, it's needed."[62]
>>220512073Salvadoran government made it legal for people to blast drug dealers, and put bounties out on everyone known to be involved with it. so indeed a lot of private citizens have taken the matter into their own hands, though with explicit approval from the state.
>>220515044I was almost certain he did some networking with people who turned up at the funeral. Could have been any Bronson movie from that era.
>>220515034Based. You should also read some old Punisher comics.
>>220514007leftists unironically believe that thugs and criminals have more of a right to be in a place than you do, part of their broader "never punch down" morality. they think everyone is born inherently good, so if someone turns to crime it can only be because of outside influence beyond their control that left them with no other choice for survival. and therefore it is society's/your responsibility to give them special privileges as a form of justice to bring them back up to the baseline norm. they genuinely believe that allowing criminals to commit crime will fix historical injustice and eventually once they have stolen enough of your stuff they will feel compelled to no longer commit crime and willingly rejoin civil society of their own volition.
>>220511231>eurotrash trying to "deconstruct the mythos of the American frontier and the American conception of justice"I'll pass.
>>220507999>yt people shouldn't be allowed to liveBased.
>>220513406oops!
>>220515160when you realise that those freaks are part of a fervent religious sect founded on the inversion of all morality, with victimhood being their greatest pursuit, things start to fit into place.they're cultists, and there's no logic behind anything they say, it's all deranged beliefs which hold no grounding in reality, a bit like all those jeet 'gods' with elephant heads and 71 faces and 15 arms that drink farts
>>220515293>average rural person is 20 years older than average city person>"golly why is the death rate higher???"
>>220507861Reminder: Lozito vs State of NY. The Supreme Court cases ruled the police are not obligated to protect you. I was a conscientious objector all my life until I read about the case in university. Now I’m a staunch 2A defender.
>>220515379it does make some sense. if you jumped in a frozen lake if the police did have an obligation to protect you it would mean they'd have to throw themselves in after you in the off chance they'd be able to pull you out rather than the both of you succumb to cold shock and drown. at some point they have to be able to put their hands up and say there's nothing they can reasonably do to help you. that's what that ruling was for. so people couldn't sue cops for not essentially committing suicide to try and help someone who was beyond help.
The whole Arizona/Jainchill sequence is the best part of the movie
>>220515754>a man being reminded what being a man and what being an american actually meansprobably one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema
>>220507861Would you consider this a head holster or a gun hat?
>>220515798It's the legendary forehead carry that only the most lethal killers use
>>220509037Kek
>>220507999Trips of truth!
>Do you believe in Jesus?>Yes>Well, you're about to meet 'emKINOOOOOOO
>>220512162Pretty much this. The second movie is basically a repeat of the 1st, just different locations and thugs. It's a solid enough sequal. 3 is where they focus more on camp and dark comedy and ramp it up to the max. It's a fun ride as long as you aren't stuck looking for the same exact type of exploitation film as the first two. 4 and 5 are the weaker ones in my opinion, but they have enough to offer to be worthwhile. 4 is where they try to have a plot that's more than just killing street trash, even if it's not very complicated. Don't remember enough about 5. Time for a revisit!
>>220515256that looks fantastic
They raped the giggler, man. THEY RAPED THE GIGGLER!
>>220514100It's a person's lively hood, you are potentially killing a guy. Hang em high.
>>220507999I agree. I would gladly leave if I had the means to.
>>220517164They de-ragged the joker, man.THEY DE-RAGGED THE JOKER!
>>220507999Cities shouldn't exist They are akin to tumors on the earth. Incidentally, human proliferation on earth is akin to metastasis
>>220517164They had no business doing that. None.
