>saves Christopher Nolan movieA P O L O G I Z E
Another Odyssey thread?
>>220519085So is she playing the Achilles part?
>>220519085I wouldn't even wipe my ass with her translation. I might beat her to death with it but that would be the extent to which I would handle that trash.
>>220519136She's the one that translated odyssey essentially making the woke version of Odyssey
>The Odyssey, thanks to my timely ignorance of Greek, it is an international bookstore of works in prose and verse, from Chapman's couplets to the Authorized Version by Andrew Lang or Bérard's classic French drama or the saga morris' Vigorous or Samuel Butler's ironic bourgeois novel. I abound in the mention of English names, because the letters of England were always intimate with that epic of the sea, and the series of versions of it Odyssey it would be enough to illustrate its course of centuries. This heterogeneous and even contradictory richness is not mainly attributable to the evolution of English or to the mere length of the original or to the deviations or diverse capacity of the translators, but to that circumstance, which must be exclusive to Homer: the categorical difficulty of knowing what belongs to the poet and what belongs to language. To this happy difficulty we owe the possibility of so many versions, all sincere, genuine and divergent
>>220519176>wokeI think you mean recontexulized for a clear understanding of the setting and characters actions
>>220519258i think you mean bastardized
ENOUGH FROM THE ODYSSEY
this is emily wilson explaining why she doesn't call the cyclops a savage.also this cover of the odyssey (the ladies in blue fresco from Knossos) has nothing to do with the odyssey and is 90% made up from tiny fragments. she picked that obviously because WOMEN good whatever the context
>>220519323That bitch is fucking insane, THEY LIVE IN CAVES AND EAT PEOPLE
>>220519323>Polyphemus isn't GreekHe's the son of the Greek god Poseidon. His name is obviously Greek (begins with Poly ffs). He speaks Greek (though this is more like how in English media and Japanese media everyone magically speaks perfect English or Japanese respectively). What is this bish talking about?
>>220519452She's talking about her modern day bourgeois lefty politics of course. A man overcoming obstacles to get home to his faithful wife who waits for his return? Eww, how patriarchal and simplistic, thankfully we have women like Emily in academia to inject some depth and add some well needed perspective on the story.
>>220519085Her translation is dogshit. It's not poetic, it doesn't move and inspire, and it's full of anachronisms.
>>220519323>also this cover of the odyssey (the ladies in blue fresco from Knossos) has nothing to do with the odysseyAnd that's Minoan, who didn't even speak GreekHomeric epics are Myceneaen Greek
>>220519085I don't understand - why is a translation by some random Brit is needed? Aren't there native Greek speakers who can translate better?
>>220519106optimonke
>>220519085this photo isnt even that old. which means she got all of those horrible tattoos all at once. fucking meds lmao
>>220519902translations are usually done by a native speaker of the target language, not the source language
>>220519258going to recontextualize your bussy later
>>220519902>he thinks modern greek is the same as ancient greek.
>>220519902>I don't understand - why is a translation by some random Brit is needed?It's adapted to modern audiences. There should be no friction when you engage a work of art. It should never be even slightly difficult or strange. The journey doesn't matter, what matters is that your reach your destination instantly. That's what the whole epic of Odyssey is about. It's like poetry, it rhymes.Think about it - when you go to the gym, you get the best results when you lift weights that are incredibly easy to lift. That's how your muscles grow.
>>220520189yeah, thats why she translated it into a pentameter, where she forced herself to use certain words just so they would fit in the structure.she didnt write it to be more readable. if you knew anything about the translation you would know thats not true.
>>220520189I lol'd
>>220520260>she didn't make it 100% more readable, only 99%Damn, she's so cool, she can shove random modern shit into pentameter like every single middling poet, wow
Is this that feminist re-imagining of the oddyseey from the perspective of the women? I read a few passages from that I just sighed and closed the window.
>>220520339you will never be a real woman
>>220519085Islam is right about women
>>220519323>leftist sweeping for human meat eating mostersDay ending in Y.
swan song of hollywood. they had a good run
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>>220520260>thats why she translated it into a pentameter, where she forced herself to use certain words just so they would fit in the structure.what does that have to do with what he wrote? he's talking about difficulty to the reader, not the translator.>she didnt write it to be more readable.weird, that's not what she says in the translator's note, where she hammers the point that it's supposed to be simple and readable multiple times
>>220520429Muslim men walk around in female clothes.
>>220519085>>saves Christopher Nolan movieThere is quite literally no amount of damage control that could lead to this movie turning a profit. Not even libtards want this movie. It's a movie with no fucking audience whatsoever.
>>220519363bigoted freak
>>220519902>The original Odyssey was written in Homeric Greek, a literary dialect of Ancient Greek. This dialect is primarily based on an archaic form of Ionic, blended with elements of Aeolic and Attic Greek. It was composed in dactylic hexameter verse and dates back to the 8th or 7th century BC.not as easy as its sounds
>>220520527>we took your rights, we took your clothes, what are you gonna do about it, hoe?based
Faglesfags rise up
>>220520521>eslwhy do i even bother
>>220520611We up in this bitch
This is Helen of Troy, woman whose beauty caused the Trojan war. Say something nice about her
>>220520633>EFL>Fagles is too difficult for me!kek what a kwab
>>220519106My favourite Transformers series ever
>>220520651She never did colonialism!
I sincerely hate women with every fibre of my being
>>220520657she translated an ancient text into an extremely limited verse form. you think nothing is lost in this process? that this sort of translation is anything more than a linguistic exercise? pathetic.
>>220520706Do you hate your mom? I certainly hate her for not aborting you
>>220520712What are you talking about? She butchered the poem, I don't disagree with you on that
>>220520742>actually i agree with you :ptrivial pest. brain worms.
>>220520706Same. Women are literally the root of all evil.>>220520730Women moment
the nolan movie will be an abortion, but the Wilson translations aren't that bad. her dad AN Wilson was cool too.My favorite Odyssey translation is the Robert Fitzgerald one.
>>220520785>but the Wilson translations aren't that badAll the meaning is lost. If you don't care about reading Homer why read Homer?
>>220520712Meh, Bible was copied from each other, copies were derived from other copies by hand until the 15th century, do you think nothing had changed as well? Even if it had, its not a big deal
>>220519256He never said ALL versions are good.
>>220520817stop being so melodramatic you massive faggot.
>>220520819All the modifications carried a similar worldview. What if the last copy of the bible was done by a feminist weirdo in some kind of misguided ideological project? It would be best to just ignore it.
>>220520897i think you're letting your issues with women and your mom cloud your judgement.have sex.
>>220520884You can't read. You're a dum dum. You need a feminist ideologue to translate perfectly understandable English into pidgin. Go back to Africa!
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>>220520916Go back to Africa.
>>220520897Wilson's not a "feminist weirdo". Natalie Haynes is a weird feminist classicist. Wilson was raised right by a good man. stop being such a massive, hysterical faggot. its really annoying.
>>220520928I rate Emily's translation full 10, it's intentions are clear and delivers the meaning without any needless embellishments Richmond's version is ornate slop of his time, no one translated like that, he went overboard to impress his publisherI don't consider Tyrone's translation to be faithful
>>220520935suck my minuscule, unwashed, uncircumcised schlong you disgusting fucking villager.
>>220519085my understanding of ancient greek, based as it is on the values that are useful to me, is superior to her "empircist", "accurate" and "knowledgeable" translation
>>220521019fitzgerald > fagles > Wilson > shewringI've not read any others over the years
>>220520928>>220520998>Not a feminist>Deliberately translates " θύγατερ Διός", ---daughter--- of Zeus as child of Zeuscope, it's pure ideology
>>220521023My cock is bigger, thicker and uncut. I'm also taller than you.
>>220519085>spiteful feminist alters a story to more prominently show the female characters at the expense of the male>spiteful feminist alters a story to remove glory of war and battle>spiteful feminist centers the horrors of slaveryThis is bad.
why is the anglosphere so obsessed with translations of the odyssey and iliad? this isnt fucking antigone where even a tiny translation can change the nuance of an entire scene of the play.....the only thing that can vary largely is emulating the original verse and rhyme which doesnt matter unless you are reading out loud while playing a lyre....or unless elonite trumpoids believe someone would translate a verse from ancient greek as "helen was a proud aromantic bipoc who espoused trans visibility and aftercare"
>>220521092dat SSRI stare
Speaking generally there is no one more retarded or annoying than a bitch in a university who can read Ancient Greek.
>>220520483What is picrel referring to
>>220521145They are normal people in Europe.
>>220521057why not leave it as is then and have the feminists who read the book create the signified of a proud trans woman in their heads?
>>220521072i doubt you're taller than me.
>>220519363das dey culcha
>>220521057oh my god its the end of the world.
>>220521228Genetically, I am from Montenegro. Don't doubt it, νάνος.
>>220521252>Nooo don't criticize my slop or you'll seem too invested and that's totally not cool, are you not cool? Don't do that guys, don't you want to be popular on Bluesky?
>>220519085People have been translating Iliad/Odyssey four thousands of years and it's impossible for contemporary culture to seep into the story. Americans do it, Brits do it, Romans did it, even the fucking Greeks did it. So what's the issue?
>>220520928>>220521057obvious creative choice to keep the iambic pentameter going, what would be the point of translating something thats has been translated a billion times?
>>220521298idgaf. the wilson translation is far from the wrost. stop making such a bad noise about nothing. trying to get all these tards riled up about homer translations is gay.
>>220521160>What is picrel referring toDevil May Cry cartoon
>>220521322>what would be the point of translating something thats has been translated a billion times?To make it gay and lame. Put a chick in it.
>>220519323And these white women swear they're not racist.
>>220521322reeeeeeenoooooooit should be the same translation over and over again. i wish fagles was my real dad .
>>220521333>stop making such a bad noise>Don't criticize my shit taste! Stop it! Stop stop stop!Jimmie status: rustled
>>220520730>Do you hate your mom?NTA but I hate my mom for putting herself before me always and treating me like a monster for reminding her of her dad, which is funny because she's exactly like him too. Dumb cunt.
>>220521364>it should be the same translation over and over againIf you can't improve what's already there maybe don't do it? Nobody needed a new translation. Except for pidgin speakers.
>>220521375not really. i'm eating a pot noodle.
>>220519085Lady who did the gay Achilles book is insanely cute. It's a shame about the leftism.
>>220519323What is wrong with this justification? Savage in modern language have connotations that don't wasn't intended in the original text so isn't she being more faithful to the original text?
>>220521364thats my point, there is no reason for another """"faithful"""" translation( focusing on word by word rendition where the only thing that changes is how to render the word οινωψ), unless someone wants to try a new verse style which is the actual creativity margin that's alloted to anyone attempting to translate a classic poem
>>220521487>Savage in modern language have connotations that don't wasn't intended in the original textThe term noble savage exists in modern language. There is "space for positivity" in the modern use of the word savage. She's a 90 IQ tard out of her depth.
>>220521487trumfags have no idea what anachronism means...they think she actually blames the trojan war on huwhite people or smth
>>220521597MIGAtards don't read. It's all in your head. Get some meds.
Lot of disingenuous fucks here.
>>220521527>there is no reason for another """"faithful"""" translationBut there is a reason for a feminist translation? How about a marxist translation? Or a gonzo journalist translation? I guess it would be cool, but it's not the Odyssey anymore. Maybe name it "The modern Ulysses", something like Joyce. It's a new text.
>>220519085From friendships to classical epics, women truly endeavor to ruin everything.
>>220521487in the context of the extant ancient greek version the polyphemus passage is satirical for both odysseus and his men, urbanites and cosmopolitans, and the caricature of a rural low class person living outside cities pictured in polyphemus. in fact a more apt modern adaptation would be depicting polyphemus as a having a maga hat a southern drawl and calling ice on some of odysseus servants, who is a rich LA influencer content creator
>>220521676its not feminist because it cant be feminist and changing the word daughter to kid isnt cultural marxism
>>220520000That anon's asshole is going to be smithereens based on those digits.
