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Sadly you missed the generals when it was airing, you could double dip on kino.

I dunno. I liked it, but it kind of felt like a wet fart by the end of things.

It was beautiful.
I hope season 2 will be okay.

>>220525532
As long as you didn't expect to actually see the big battle they were talking about the entire show it was fine.

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>tfw no milf gf that talks like a smug anime villain

>>220525525
is this a real quote? actually lmaoing at traditional epic cool oriental dialogue attempt

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>>220525461
yeah

>>220525594
it's supposed to be funny, autist

>>220525570
just play shogun 2 total war after youre done watching it

>>220525630
Sucks on big monitors. A lot of the older titles have zero scaling support, and no mods are able to fix it. FeelsBadMan

>>220525461
>absurd levels of kino
The rotting pheasant plot point was one of the most retardedly written things from any tv show in years

>>220525532
>>220525570
The point is that Yoshii Toranaga-noh-Minowara already won before the battle had even started to the point that the actual Battle of Sekigahara was purely ceremonial. It's deliberately anticlimactic in a way that's incredibly effective unless you are a 0 IQ brainlet who's genuinely upset it didn't end with a big cgi battle setpiece.

Very good adaptation. I have a few minor nitpicks as a fan of the book but none of them really matter all that much.

>>220525560
Season 2 isn't based on a successful novel, like season 1 was, it's being written by modern writers, so don't get your hopes up. Also no Yabushige.

>Nothing happens
>AIJIN SAMA YOU ARE BEING DISHONORABLE
>it’s all going according to my keikaku

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>>220525484
The generals were one of the peaks of this shithole.

>>220525692
>el monstoro de Los Goonies
kek

>>220525585
>Your penis will answer to me now
What do?

>>220525656
>most retardedly written things
Why? It's supposed to show another level of absurdity of their honor-based autism. Just brought upon by nothing but Aijin's bullheadedness. It's not even a plot point, just a longer version of that scene from the first episode where they decapitated that one guy in the crowd for crossing himself.

>>220525692
Yabushige in anything but S is an unforgivable dishonor. I expect seppuku from you by sundown.

I would pay to see a Yabushige prequel series.

>>220525461
this show was just an introduction of ten or so named characters then them taking turns committing suicide.

>you bring great shame to your lord and family. we expect your bowels on the floor before the new moon. you'll kill your son too, just because.

>you've embarrassed yourself in battle. your ancestors weep. seppuku before nightfall else every living relative you have will swiftly follow you.

>disturbing the lord's air freshener is a crime and the penalty is death. you're afforded the dignity of seppuku but no finish. here is my blade, make it quick.

>you're being used as a political prisoner. your life and the lives of everyone close to you are threatened by an overwhelming force. the fact that you didn't preemptively seppuku a week ago makes you an idiot, full of dishonor. go out with a bang: seppuku by explosives.

>>220526065
If the western world had adopted the sudoku practices we would be exploring the stars right now.

>>220525676
I know anon. Still we must keep just a tiny spark of hope.

>>220525461
I thought it was very poorly written, terrribly shot, and incredibly childish and dull
you people have such antithetical to good taste takes, it's honestly impressive

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>>220525461
The original series more than lives up to it. Rodgeriez in this is barely an afterthought, the original is John Rhys-fucking-Davies.

>>220526357
>Rodgeriez in this is barely an afterthought
the actor fucking sucked too
its really odd how everyone cast looked 'modern' in this
terrible acting all around

>>220525461
It''s the biggest case of blue balls i've ever seen in a tv show.

>>220525461
The threads were a lot of fun

>>220526698
>I increase your income to all the kokus in Japan
>No, you still can't have your ship back

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This actor was dripping with venom in the OG series.

>>220525594
He actually said “I order you to”

>>220525560
>>220525676
>>220526206
Why don't they just adapt Clavell's Tai-Pan for season 2? It's the same WMAF fetish stuff that the WMAF showrunners like and if Sanada doesn't like leaving Japan for China he can get over it since Gai-Jin is a spiritual sequel to both Shogun and Tai-Pan and they can do that book for season 3.

>>220525656
I too am a gay retard

>>220526548
Hitoyuki Sanada is a kino machine, faggot. The dude devours scenery and steals every scene.

>>220527029
Since they all but ignored the geo-political non-Japanese plots of Shogun I expect they would make a complete fucking mess of the Hong Kong/UK/USSR/USA plots of Tai Pan.

>>220527081
No one wants to hear Portuguese, anon. It's a hideous language.

>>220525461
Already got memed into watching this by /tv/ and I wish I could get my time back. Boring, banal, pointless show with a terrible lead and a weak narrative.

>>220527114
>Boring, banal, pointless
so just like your life, what would you even do with your time back?

>>220527131
I'd watch a better show with it.

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>>220527157
Well, Tokyo Vice should be right up your alley.

Did Japan seriously execute infant children and force its mother to watch? That's beyond barbaric, that's straight up demonic. How the fuck do people respect or admire this "culture" of evil?

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Best girl coming through

>>220527196
>Whore
Absolutely not. Mariko-sama is best girl, followed by Fuji.

>>220527196
I was going to say that no woman that has taken miles of dick can be best girl. But, then I remembered this is Japan, so no woman who has taken a couple feet of dick can be best girl.

>>220527213
I meant Lady Gin

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>Rewatching the scene where Mariko tries to leave with her entourage
>Get to that slick katana-draw where her samurai kills two guys in a second
>Realize his first swipe actually cuts off the dude's fingers so he can't even draw
Fucking brutal.

>>220527193
https://youtu.be/g1n0lriB_pk?si=E5wGdU4TpSzZn3FS&t=1136

>>220525461
The Chamberlain version is superior in every way and not color graded like a capeshit movie.

>>220527081
That's noble house, Tai Pan is about the founding of Hong Kong.

>>220527029
>entire chink state get humiliated by a handful of western drug dealers
Yeah that's not gonna happen

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>>220525461

I felt bad for Buntaro at the end.

Did the book/show change all the names in order to have some kind of plausible deniability? I thought works of fiction were pretty much immune to legal issues for portrayals of historical events

Why did they have to boil the Dutchman alive? Fucking savages.

>>220527757
he sailed into the wrong neighborhood

>>220527710
Clavell changed the names to give himself greater creative freedom in his story instead of just writing a biography. The show changed some of the book names into names that Japanese people might actually have instead of names an Australian guy thought sounded cool.

>>220525692
is there a name for when characters have the (special forms)? Because it's fucking hilarious.
>el Nephew (Norwood)

>>220527757
They had to get it on, he was making a move

>>220525461
>Literally nothing happens: the series

>>220527777
Quads of Truth

>>220526357
>rhys-davies plays rodriguez in shogun and gornt in noble house
was he james clavell's boyfriend or something?

>>220525461
i haven't seen it but why don't you watch Kurosawa's films like a normal human being

>>220525585
There was genuinely nothing villainous about her in real life and the more you look into her life the more she seems like a victim. Pretty funny how multiple adaptations of the era make her out to be wicked and evil.

>>220525461
>The Japanese national hero, Tokugawa, is famous for convincing his enemies he'd been cowed into submission for years and then defeating them before they'd even realized it
Uhhhh Americabros... this won't have any bearing on real life geopolitics... right?

>>220528227
We do both, you would know that if you were here during the general. Your loss, men.

>>220527193
Some warlords did, yes. Upon defeating their enemies, they would execute male heirs regardless of their age to ensure the enemy's clan is destroyed. But life in that era was generally incredibly fragile no matter who you were. The "winner" of the whole conflict had his own son and wife executed to uphold his own reputation and further his goals.

>>220525613
>>220525585
>>220525525
>>220525484
>>220525461
>>220525692
>>220527196
Why is it so fucking blue

>>220528855
it was filmed in japan.

>>220528872
I am pretty sure Japan doesn't look like that in real life

>>220525804
The pheasant was to show the absolute power that Anjin san now had over the local peasants lives and the consequences of his carelessness with that power.

>>220528901
were you there? no? then shut the fuck up.

Is this about Nobunaga Oda?

>>220528855
It was filmed in Canada. It's a sad place.

>>220528855
its how you know something takes place in the past

>>220528954
No Tokugawa and William Adams but they've got different names.

Is this worth a watch? I need a new show to binge.

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>>220529081
Only if you enjoy Japanese history.

>>220525656
OP is being ironic.

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>>220525484
Still have some of the images from them. Extremely kino.

>>220525461
It looks awful because it's all shot on green screen in vancouver instead of on location.
The lighting is completely wrong, it's lit like a horror movie in most parts.
The over-use of post processing effects was amateur and awful, especially the fake depth of field on almost every shot.
The lead actor was absolutely atrocious.
The writing (not just the dialogue, which was awful) was fucking terrible.

It was a huge pile of crap and i refuse to believe you're being sincere with this post. I know irony posting is huge on 4chan, so i'll just chalk this up to an ironic shitpost. The word "kino" means nothing.

At least the original was shot in Japan. Not fucking Canada for god's sake.

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>>220529405
>The over-use of post processing effects was amateur and awful, especially the fake depth of field on almost every shot.
It's the god-awful anamorphic lens that is going through a fad amongst high budget tv series at the moment. Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is using it as well.

>>220529405
>shot on green screen in vancouver instead of on location
Wasn't that because post-Covid and so on, and they couldn't get there to do it?

It's been over 2 years since season 1 and we still haven't gotten a follow-up.

>>220525692
extremely based

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>>220528964
And it's fucking stupid, historical societies and civilizations were colorful.

One look at an Aztec city and i'm pretty sure the average Hollywood exec would get an aneurysm from the colors

>>220529797
Just the "art" style alone says all you need to know about this.

>>220529797
tenochtitlan was wet, dreary, and smelled like shit and piss.

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>>220525670
>the actual Battle of Sekigahara was purely ceremonial
Nigger 100,000 nips died. One army collected 30k heads to display
It was a compete shitshow of loyaty reversals right on the day
The show fucked up bad relegating it to a 3 minute montage at the end of the final episode stop defending this shit

>>220525461
it's trash
wtf are you smoking, retard

>>220525461
>blue filter over everything
>another girl boss show
>sekigihara happens off screen
It's shit

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>>220529173
any other kinos about the same subject? preferably before the meiji era
I watched Kubi and it was hilarious.

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>>220529405
Tokyo Vice was nearly all filmed in Japan using real 90's props and cars, it was amazing how much it contributes to the soul of a show

>>220526243
This, the only decent character was the waifu toranigga who turned into a giant pussy by the end.

>>220527710
the book had a scene where some like 13 year old boy jerked off one of the samurai while another female escort watched.
then as the samurai was snoring in deep sleep, the female escort asked the boy if he was a virgin, as in fuck a girl. he said no and she got low key exicted and told him he could fuck her.
after he coomed inside her, she asked how it was and he said it was alright but took far too much work. i wish they would have kept that in.

>>220529971
kino af show, although i heard the source material is nothing but bs.

>>220528305
IRL Tokugawa only won because he bribed all of his enemy commanders with money, land, and promotions if they simply didn't fight which is what most of them ended agreeing to so when the battle started like half of his opposition had ghosted, a woman twirling a sword like a retard had nothing to do with it.

>>220527114
also looks like shit

>>220528855
because you touch yourself at night

>>220529971
>>220530030
jews literally forced a jew reporter into a premier position at the largest paper in Tokyo and the he proceeded to write a story about himself fucking mobster wives and beating up yakuza, and the kikestein writer isn't allowed in Japan anymore, although apparently the shit about the yakuza coming to America and bribing clinics for organ transplants was real

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>>220530030
Maybe, the guy is a bit of a wanker when you listen to him but all the people claiming he is bullshit are also Yakuza and corrupt cops so meh
The main bad guy is very real and author was involved it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadamasa_Goto#FBI_scandal

When you piss off that many people then its quite likely that some will try to discredit you.
I read the book, its got some interesting national crime cases in it

Having some retarded weeb fuck a mob boss wife was comically over the top fantasy shit though

>>220530203
>but all the people claiming he is bullshit are also Yakuza and corrupt cops so meh
Horseshit. Anyone who listens to that fraud speak for even five minutes and doesn't recognise a bullshit artist is sub 80IQ.

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>>220529971
kino af show
completely moggs nu-shogun

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>>220529841
It's not even particularly stylized, and the designs are just actual Aztec architecture and clothing, so I'm not sure what you're even implying

>>220529842
>Wet and dreary
Probably not? As far as I can tell Mexico City isn't that rainy for most of the year, aside from in summer, where most days it rains for a few hours but is sunny for the rest of the day

>smelled like shit and piss
Almost certainly not.

There was no livestock so there was no waste or grime from those unlike Eurasian cities, and we know contemporary sources it was kept "very clean, so that one could not find any dust or straw in the whole place" (per Bernal Diaz). Later accounts say there was a fleet of civil servants that washed and swept all buildings and streets every day, and contemporary sources say that the city's toilets had their waste collected (presumably by those same officials) to be reused for dyes and fertilizer, so there wouldn't be "shit or piss" sitting around: It's a myth that Medieval European cities were super dirty, but they still (AFAIK) had designated pits for relieving yourself that were only occasionally cleared out (or sealed and then a new pit dug out). Toilets that had their contents emptied every day would have smelled far less. Maybe the chinampa plots smelled from using waste as fertilizer, but agricultural zones everywhere in the world at the time would have smelled for similar reasons

Additionally, we know that gardens were kept in most or all palaces and noble residences, as well as in some public spaces and with state-operated royal botanical gardens, and these would have sweet smelling flowers and trees, with it being stated that wood from such aromatic trees was also frequently used for construction for buildings. People also bathed on a daily basis, there were social expectations around washing ones hands, face, and teeth multiple times a day, and used a variety of shampoos, toothpastes, breath fresheners, body washes, colones and perfumes etc

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>>220525570
I think that the scene of Ishido Kazunari being buried in the floor was being filmed, maybe it'll be a flashback.>>220525670

>>220525676
I mean more stuff happened to the real life Anjin William Adams and Ieyasu Tokugawa the inspirations for John Blackthorne and Yoshii Toranaga


This was the Instagram story of takehiro hira

>>220527029
I hope that after Shogun ends the rest of the Asian saga gets adapted.

Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo said that they wanted to adapt Tai Pan.

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>>220530630
idgaf about any of this. they were violent ass, demonic niggas.
ol japan could get barbaric, but at least they grew out of it and they weren't cannibals LOL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozole

>>220530745
According to some sources some of the cartels are really cruel.

So cruel that they eat the meat of their enemies.

it's a fake cringe orientalist fantasy made up by some jew writer

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I guess there are going to be a lot of book characters that couldn't be in the first season.

Also I think that Kazutada is supposed to be Sudara the heir of Toranaga.

This shows is peak slop. I'm Chinese.

>>220530893
>no Fuji
I'll now not watch your show

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Nobody will comment on the new images of John Blackthorne?

>>220530799
Tokyo vice or Shogun?

>>220525461
Check out hornblower

>>220530955
>what losing mariko does to a man

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It's amazing how this one wasn't as successful as " would you prefer a male companion" as a meme

yeah there really isnt anything as good
i watched the latest superman movie after this and it was like holy fucking shit it was so bad
the modern writing garbage we have now doesnt even compare. still havent recovered

>>220530630
It's untalented tumblr shite, and the dialogue also betrays the idealized slop of "progressive" shitheads.

>>220530630
Imagine even posting that picture and think you can make a point after that. Fuck off /co/ seriously, this spic self-fellating is sad and pathetic, you are not Amerindians, you guys are spanish rape babies. I would say the same think to greek-turks that larp as inheritors of west-culture.

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>>220525461

Imagine how good it would have been had they had followed the book.

>>220531316
If they had done that they wouldn't have to worry about ass-pulling a second series, there's more than enough content for two series. I understand the 80s series diminished the Japanese plot but that doesn't mean you should diminish/elminate the European plots in a reboot.

>>220527029

Tai-Pan > Shogun > Noble House > Gai-Jin > King Rat > Whirlwind

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>>220531316
Read the book or watch the 1980 version.

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>>220531386
I think that Tai Pan should receive the next adaptation.
>>220531374
I think that each book of the Asian saga has material enough for two seasons, except King rat.

They're lucky that William Adams and Ieyasu Tokugawa had more events in their lives for material for the second and third seasons.

>>220527784
>The show changed some of the book names into names that Japanese people might actually have instead of names an Australian guy thought sounded cool.
Examples of this?

>>220531490
The 2024 version of Shogun used more accurate versions of the Japanese names used during that time.

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>>220530745
What kind of crybaby do you need to be to think that a historical civilization being violent means that you can't learn or care about other things they did? The violence is part of the appeal, even

By that logic you shouldn't give a fuck about the Mesopotamians, Romans, Chinese, Medieval Europe or honestly almost any other ancient or medieval society, either

Even the Spanish were capable of praising and wanting to learn about Mesoamerican cities, art, history, society etc, see their (and some Italian, German etc) quotes in pic related, and as seen in the quotes, the Spanish didn't even consider them a particularly violent society outside of their sacrifices: To the contrary they consistently describe them as polite, disciplined, orderly, and capable

>at least they grew out of it
As far as I know (tho I could be wrong, Japan isn't my area of expertise) Infanticide was very normalized in Japan during the same century (and even centuries later, this: content.ucpress.edu/chapters/12058.ch01.pdf claims a third of all Japanese infants in the 18th century were culled, tho that seems really high to me so I wouldn't be surprised if that's inflated), and Japanese soldiers at the time also severed and collected body parts for various ritual purposes and display (academic.oup.com/past/article/270/1/66/7935489)

>wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozole
The Aztec did allegedly eat the meat of sacrificed victims in a maize stew as part of the Tlacaxipehualiztli festival, but as seen here in the text of the Florentine codex: florentinecodex.getty.edu/book/2/folio/18v , the stew was known as Tlacatlaolli.

It's not actually clear that the modern dish of Pozole evolved out of Tlacatlaolli in particular, with "Posolli" being a general term for a variety of maize soups and stews at the time of Spanish contact, apparently (I say "apparently" because the page cited as a source for the 16th century use of the word "Posolli" is down right now)

2/3 (counting >>220530630 as the first post)

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>>220531684
Cont:

>>220531209
Knowing the author of the comic, I'd guess that he doesn't even know what Tumblr is. I also don't see tumblr noses or any other tumblrite art calling cards. There's also barely any dialog there and none of it is politicized, trying to be quirky, or globohomo, so I really don't know what the fuck you're on about

>>220531237
>Imagine even posting that picture and think you can make a point after that
Again, I'm not even sure what the implication here is. What's wrong with the image?

It's certainly not particularly inaccurate: Aztec rulers had multiple wives, so that's accurate. They are seen wearing Huipil and Quechquemitl (pic) which are female garments (the Quechquemitl is questionable I guess since for the Aztec it was mostly a ritual garment), and they are depicted with Axtlacuilli or Neaxtlaualli/Neaxtlahualli hairbuns/braids, which is traditional for married women. The murals seen on the architecture are based directly on imagery seen in surviving manuscripts (for example, the eagle on the cacti on the headboard of the bed is based on this page of the Codex Borgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Borgia#/media/File:Codex_Borgia_page_50.jpg), with the architecture itself also being based on manuscript depictions and ruins (for example, compare the bedroom to this: https://arqueologiamexicana.mx/sites/default/files/mohar_am_38_1.jpg?itok=wjRQ8G1i depiction of Nezahualcoyotl's palace, tho IIRC this is meant to be a stylized/abstract view of the whole palace, not one room). The Cronica Mexicana mentions mattresses, blankets, etc, so that's not out of place either, tho are rarely mentioned compared to simple bamboo matts for sleeping/sitting

>you are not Amerindians, you guys are spanish rape babies
I'm neither, my family history comes from Eastern Europe. I'm just an autistic nerd for Mesoamerican history

>>220530799
Beyond the ghastly blue filter and the name stuff >>220527784 mentions, what else is inaccurate?

3/3 for now

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>>220531734
It's amazing to see the different ways in which people reacted to this show.

>>220531777
Wait hold on.. are you that one guy from /v/?!??
Should've realized it a lot sooner. Appreciate the effort posts anon, even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject. Unrelated, but what do you think about Apocalypto?

>>220531777
I guess the firearms used by john Blackthorne are not period accurate.

I know that the whole show is basically about this but I still have trouble wrapping my head around the Japanese attitude towards life and death and honor. Like how Tadayoshi (had to look it up) dishonored Lord Toranaga. Ending an entire lineage seems a bit much. Also later with the samurai just cutting off the head of that one villager

>>220529797
>>220530630
>>220531684
>>220531777
I appreciate your insights meso-autismo-kun but must you turn EVERY fucking history thread into your own personal blog no matter how unrelated?
>>220531882
please just shut the fuck up

>>220527099
I agree, sounds like a bastard fusion of russian, french and chinese

>>220530558
Was it autism?

>>220530955
no fuji no watch

>>220531882
See
archived.moe/tv/thread/204623679/#204637541
desuarchive.org/co/thread/152289244/#152310774
archived.moe/lit/thread/25015193/#25041194
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/220366437/#220387735
archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/220402475/#220406882

>>220532014
Wasn't trying to, I was just complaining about how Hollywood executives and directors can't bear to use the entire color spectrum and insist on making everything look dark and gloomy, and >>220529841 and >>220529842 got butthurt about the example I used of how actual historical cities were colorful

I made other posts in the thread prior to then without bringing up Mesoamerica at all, like >>220528855, you just don't notice my non-meso posts because they look like posts from any random anon

>>220529173
Can you comment on my question at the end of >>220531777? How authentic/accurate is it really?

>>220531928
That's it? What is >>220530799 complaining about then?

>>220529902
>The show fucked up bad relegating it to a 3 minute montage at the end of the final episode stop defending this shit
No, because the show was about politicking not battles. You have a preference and your preference is stupid.

its mediocre. watch the original

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When will this get adapted?

>>220533411
>>220529942
>>220529902
>>220525670
The book and the 1980 version gave a small description of the battle of sekigahara and their version of the death of ishido.

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>>220533411
My preference for a grand finale is based and everyone in this thread knows it
Also I am in Japan right now and everyone person I have asked on the matter agrees by nodding towards me while I am thinking about this thread

>>220530955
Why is his hair so much darker than season 1s?

>>220525484
I enjoyed making webms for the generals when this was airing

>>220525532
Last episode was absolute kino

>>220534984
Different wig

>>220535056
He looked much better with the curly blonde ish hair he had in the beginning of episode 1

>>220534984
His entire style is a bit scuffed.
The fucking awful contact lenses still make me giggle.

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>>220527196
nah, Fuji is best girl

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Literally me

>>220525461
Absolute dogshit
Play nioh 1 if you want decent william adam story

>>220531490
Yabushige was Yabu in the book and Fuji was named Fujiko are the two I can think of.

>>220535539
Naga in the book and nagakado in the book.
Also gin is gyoko in the book.

I think that Kazutada is supposed to be Sudara the son of Toranaga that couldn't be in the first season.

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I think that both versions of Mariko are good.

I mean Yoko Shimada didn't speak English when she started on Shogun.

Anna Sawai is great and deserves all the praise.

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Fumi Nikaido made a good job as Ochiba

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Who's the best girl?

>>220531813
Anything that goes beyond pissing off Sidebrains and even managed to offend all kinds of Quadrantbrain is, definitionally, quinoa.

>>220525461
Why did they cast a Thai lady as one of the main characters?

Sanada carries the fuck out of the show.

>>220535944
Clavell said in the book that gyoko san translates as lady luck.

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>>220527196
WRONG

>>220536357
I admire your devotion to your cause even if you are a fucking retard. Konnichiwa dude.

>>220531077
Lol

>>220536386
I don’t get it

>>220536130

Fumi Nikaido and Momona Tamada at the same time

>>220536555
Checked and you've been here since the generals calling Anna Sawai Thai, Southeast Asian, Australian, anything but Japanese.

>>220536795
Different anon, I meant I don’t get why she’d be called Thai

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>>220528241
>woman
>victim
lmfao

>>220536115
Yoko Shimada did JAV

>>220528872
To me what visually suggests Japan is everything being slightly overexposed in daylight and very colorful and contrasty at night

>>220530893
No Yabu no watch.

>>220536862
Me either but there was an anon here every thread saying it.

>>220536944
Didn't she die of asshole cancer?

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reminder that the show runners are a couple. white male and half-white half-japanese female doing their damnest wanking fest to uphold the ~japanese~ aesthetic.
i see lots of people saying why they didn't do the author's other asia series? this is why. and obviously they boasted about how meticulous they went about it by contacting every japanese craftmen there are to make sure all the clothing and shit are properly AUTHENTIC.

>>220536862
Because she looks Thai, and not Japanese

>>220531490
buntaro is just a nickname in the show, in the book its his actual name

>>220525461
The ending was kind of anti-kino, though. It lost a lot of steam as it went on.

Was Ishido in the wrong?

>>220537236
He was a fucking peasant, who cares?

>>220537213
I think it worked honestly. it was actually building up towards an anti-climatic ending instead of having a bait & switch and that's why it stood out to me.

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>>220537266
this guy shoguns

>>220525461
>based on the best-selling novel
Yeah, like 50 years ago wtf? You can't claim that. No one says The Hobbit was based on the best-selling novel.

Barely anything happened during this though?

Can any jap history autist comment on how accurate / inaccurate it is?
I don't watch historically inaccurate slop

>>220537981
Only if you're an ADHD zoomer who spent half of the watchtime staring at your pohne

>>220538043
cope and seeeethe

Momona Tamada needs to be in season 2 as Mariko's little sister

>>220537858
>You can't claim that.
Why are you so retarded?

>>220525461
You're a weeb. You think anything japan shits out is kino. There's no shortage of j-slop for you to consume.
>I'm not
You wouldn't enjoy that trash if you weren't.

>>220525461
Japan puts out pure kino. I wish the west did too.

>>220538274
Moron, no one's even purchased a copy of the book since the LAST one that was made 45 years ago, claiming "based on a best-selling novel." You'd be better off donating your monthly phone payment to a learing center or some such than pretending you know wtf you're talking about online.

>>220528855
japan is a blue country anon, literally so blue that its natural blueness even turns their green traffic lights blue

>>220538196
Mariko was the only member of her line because of her father's betrayal of Kuroda Nobuhisa, the equivalent of oda Nobunaga.

>>220525461
Where are the black japanese and samurais??? We all know that all of them, the japanese, were originally black.

>>220539243
Cousin or something then.

>>220537160
Also Justin Marks played a corpse in his cameo.

>>220538541
It's been in print since 1975 because people keep buying it. There's a new edition out that uses the same picture as op used on the cover. It is a best selling novel. Just because you've never bought or read any books doesn't change the fact that Shogun sold a lot of books.

>>220538014
episodes 1-3 are the most interesting because it shows the power struggle getween the dutch and british and other european powers trying to get their grabby hands on japan.
i was instantly hoooked for this very thing, how the smarmy catholics were and the funny rivarly between the protestants and catholics etc.
but it's all shortlived and like the others said, the show fizzles out.
i would very much like to watch a show or a movie depicting that time.

>>220539558
god would've freed them
protestants are faithless faggot-loving dogs

>>220539558
so the angle is catholic white man bad?

>i would very much like to watch a show or a movie depicting that time.
there's Silence (2016) which is kino, and has a balanced tone, neither yellow man bad nor white man bad

>>220539781
yes

>>220539558
there are a number of really good documentaries about the whole thing, theirs one all about top secret missions to steal rudders off the portaguese and spanish, very good

>>220539873
as expected from netflix

>>220539929
if only they knew protestantism was created by a man looking for any excuse to divorce his wife, who just ended up killing them, and glorified bandits raiding their own people

>>220526044
I want a buddy cop show about Anjin and Yabu sailing the seven seas more

>>220528241
Pretty much everything she did along Ishida until the end of the siege of Osaka was comically villainous

>>220527193
Japan has had a couple of "bonks in the head" that straightened them out from being full on psychotic to something more timid.
Last one being two nukes.

>>220529465
It's not anamorphic lenses, it's vintage lenses that makes the background swirl.
Anamorphic squeezes the image to make the image wider in the sensor when you then desqueeze in post. It makes the image wider and creates that signature oval shaped bokeh and horisontal lens flares.
Some of the cheap/bad anamorphics have pretty bad barrel distortion, but the expensive ones most productions use don't have it at a noticeable level.
You have no idea how many movies and tv shows you've watched that were shot on anamorphic lenses. They're very common to use.

The swirly background here is more likely vintage lenses like the popular Helios 44-2 (that was used in The Batman, Dune part 2 and that movie where Emma Stone is like a human doll that gets fucked all the time)

Also, most anons have no clue about using camera aperture and think out of focus areas in movies is a new thing and not one of the fundamental basics of photography/videography that people have made use of since it first was invented.

>>220536130
Steamed pusy

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Man I want to buy some Hibiki whisky with Anna Sawai

this show was a solid 6/10 at best

>>220541270
this post was a solid 2/10 at best

>>220540682
she might just be the most BWC crafted woman in human history

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>>220525461
>episode 7
pour one out for a nigga who's about to be devastated

>>220542151
That was fucking brutal and totally a creation of the show writer. She doesn't do him like that at all in the book.

>>220542151
>>220542187
these hoes ain't loyal

>>220526243
this anon thought the newest ghostbusters was peak cinema

>>220527233
i kneel

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>>220536115
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>>220537160
>reminder that the show runners are a couple. white male and half-white half-japanese female doing their damnest wanking fest to uphold the ~japanese~ aesthetic.
>i see lots of people saying why they didn't do the author's other asia series?

Nonsense. They should be maintaining a Japanese aesthetic, as the show is set in Japan but there was no reason to fuck up the original (and FAR better) story.

Hollywood is simply incapable of actually _adapting_ a book, they feel they MUST change shit to put their stamp on the production and pretend they are artistes.

>>220542408
they need to shove negroes, dykes, and homos in

>>220542408
It's because if they just adapt something, they won't get any credit for it. They have to put their unique stamp on it so people can call them brilliant and they can build a career out of it. At least, that's the thought process.

The reality is that if things were faithfully adapted they'd probably be more popular and you could make a career as a showrunner being the "faithful adaptation" guy

>>220525461
Absurd levels WMAF perhaps

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>>220525461
this shit sucked so bad, they market it as feudal japan action kino then 90% of the show is a women talking soap opera. the end of the show has literal 1v10 girlbossing and the ultimate battle that gives the guy power is shown in a 4 second flash forward that's his ideal of how it will play out

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>>220542408
Hiroyuki Sanada is the one who wanted the sets and the other things to feel very Japanese.

>>220542579
Let me say this again.

The book and the 1980 version end in the same way.

A description of the battle of sekigahara, the death of Ishido.

Okay the 1980 version added in the narration of Orson Welles that Toranaga pretended to be uncomfortable with the position of Shogun.

>>220525461
Read the novel.

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>>220525461
it pissed me off how everybody was constantly looking for any excuse to commit sudoku. like how the fuck did they ever manage to achieve anything. the god damn gardener or whatever kills himself because he had to get rid of a rotting bird carcass lmao

>>220544242
well, japan's highest cause of death is suicide

>>220542268
nu-shogun isn't some high art masterpiece dumbfuck
it's genuinely awful poorly written and filmed netflix tier slop

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>>220544322
every episode he's got to stop half his war council from killing themselves and then out of nowhere
>sir the gardener has committed seppukku
>god dammit not the fucking gardener as well remind me not to leave old meat out

>>220542268
true

>>220544242
he defied the orders of his lord, douche bag. it doesn't matter what he did, he was ordered not to do it and he did it anyway. by committing sudoku he can fix the problem and still retain his honor

>>220544626
all he had to do was ask lmfao

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>>220542474
>It's because if they just adapt something, they won't get any credit for it.

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>>220542579
>>220542963

Indeed.

>>220525461
i gave up 5 minutes into the first episode because of the excessive cgi and marvel slop tier cinematography

>>220542579
>action
no it was never marketed as action, it never was or will be you idiot

>>220544795
I gave up reading this post 5 letters in when I realized you hadn't watched 5 seconds of the show

>>220544729
These new Hollywood types aren't very smart, I didn't say it was true, just how they see things

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>>220530513
Fuck yeah send me Hunter.

>>220545129
end your life you weirdo

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>>220530513
>would you prefer a male companion?
Yes, actually

I think that expelling the priests will show how Toranaga is not a good guy, but the punishment of the Japanese Christians will show as someone evil.

I loved Shogun so much. It's the first show I've watched where I tried to watch the latest episode the very second it was released. Also the generals were really fun.
>Konichiwa, dude!
>That one Australian anon who kept saying Anna Sawai was Thai

>>220530970
Tokyo Vice was really good though.

>>220545723
>@hanmeimeiispig
han meimei is pig

>>220546279
I think it's his son who throws them out after toranaga, or Tokugawa really, died.

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>>220546279
He didn't do anything wrong

>>220525484
Fuck....

I haven't watched anything with /tv/ since breaking bad ended. I miss it.

>>220525585
I couldn't take her seriously with her dwarf dwaddle. It was very offputting.

>>220525461
Read Musashi Miyamoto books after it, starts at the very end of The Battle of Sekigahara.

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I liked the Thai actress who played Mariko, Anna something.

>>220525653
What a humble brag, im playing ps3 games still.

>>220544795
yeah, this show is normie slop

>>220544242
>it pissed me off how everybody was constantly looking for any excuse to commit sudoku. like how the fuck did they ever manage to achieve anything. the god damn gardener or whatever kills himself because he had to get rid of a rotting bird carcass lmao
welcome to fuedal japan where the rules are made up and killing yourself is the only winning move.

>>220529902
>misses the point so hard it hurts
american iq Lol

>still no fuji pic poasted
oof

>>220548680
am i the only one who went and watched all of moeka hoshis movies after shogun? couldnt get enough of her

>>220529971
wish i liked this show more, all the 90's japan stuff was good but the main plot stinks i tell ya

>>220530099
what the fuck

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>>220525461
Japan is pozzed now.

>tfw no Fuji concubine-turned-wife

>>220549633
I didn't like the main white guy and the only interesting thing about the white girl got told in a flashback. The jap stuff was good though.

>>220529971
The show was great, mainly because Jake looks white. If he looked more like a Jew like the real Jake then it'd suck. Shogun was better though.

>>220531077
you will still get (you)s from me any time

>>220525461
dvd when muthfucka

>>220525692
>Ishido that high
>implying

>>220525692
these rankings with the subtitles always make me laugh

>>220530893
John ends up marrying Kiku, uh?

>>220550175
I don't know if it's the same guy doing all of them but the Cobra Kai ones made me cry laughing

>>220550195
I think that she ends up pregnant with his child ( or Toranaga's ).
In the post shogun books characters speculate about the Anjin and the two families he had.

Which is not so different from the two children William Adams ( real life Anjin ) had in his marriage and another one out of wedlock.

Oh shit the Aztec autist found his way to /tv/

>>220550292
She aborts a kid in the book because she's not sure who the father is and she's worried about the kid coming out blonde if she told toranaga he was the father.

>>220550296
he is a beautiful anon

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>>220550325
I think that in Noble House a character called Riko Anjin says that she was a descendant of an English sailor.

In Gai-jin one of his descendants gets killed in a fight.

It's a shame that James Clavell died before he could detail the descendants of John Blackthorne.

By the way Yoko Shimada had an affair with a singer called Yuya Uchida who was married.

The wife of Yuya Uchida was Kirin Kiki who probably was a descendant of William Adams, the real life Anjin.

>>220550796
the power of white seed

Biggest issue with the show is the pacing.
10/10 scene followed by 2/10 scene followed by 10/10 scene followed by 2/10 scene

>>220530893
>Jun Kunimura
Gonna be so kino

>>220551314
I agree with you

Momona Tamada should be in season 2 and romance an Englishman (played by me)

The Richard Chamberlain version was better

>>220525461
If by kino you mean lazy feminist dog shit, then yeah

>>220536115
Sawai looks mixed

>>220545723
>>220547788
god bless

>>220534134
I dunno, they will not keep the shota/onee incest nor the shota jerkoff competition

I went to a sukiyaki restaurant in Kyoto and the woman who served me looked and sounded just like Kiku. I would have loved to have spent a night with her, alas I was already with a woman.